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Subject: Re: This election is about direction


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tim
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Date Posted: 19:03:50 10/29/08 Wed
In reply to: tim 's message, "This election is about direction" on 09:40:05 10/24/08 Fri

perhaps I was a bit harsh on those who would vote their mind and not their conscience. I simply believe that if you have a clear conscience before God that He can and will lead you in the voting booth, if you ask Him.

In my rantings on seeking direction in this election I did not suggest one party over another, I simply stated that a God fearing nation will hopefully choose a God fearing representative.

Look at the platform and see if you are in agreement with what the candidates are asking you to stand with them on..

Ultimately however, no matter who is chosen for the office, we must honor the men and women who are elected and pray for them to have wisdom from God even if they aren't the candidate we may have chosen.

As for the fear of God, this is not my opinion, It is clearly declared in God's Word:

"Let all the earth fear the Lord' Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. For He spoke and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast." psalm 33:8,9

"Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil. It will be health to your flesh, and strength to your bones." prov 3:7,8

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction." prov 1:7

So fear God (not run away from Him) but rather, reverence Him, in awe, as the One who created the Universe.

And yes, webchuck, it is not a fairytale, Jesus is God's only begotten Son. Again these are not my words, but Jesus Himself who said, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father except through me.

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Date Posted: 08:17:39 11/06/08 Thu

what a novel idea!

Thomas column: Religious Right, rest in peace
By Cal Thomas • November 6, 2008

When Barack Obama takes the oath of office on Jan. 20, he will do so in the 30th anniversary year of the founding of the so-called Religious Right. Born in 1979 and midwifed by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, the Religious Right was a reincarnation of previous religious-social movements that sought moral improvement through legislation and court rulings. Those earlier movements -- from abolition (successful) to Prohibition (unsuccessful) -- had mixed results.


Social movements that relied mainly on political power to enforce a conservative moral code weren't anywhere near as successful as those that focused on changing hearts. The four religious revivals, from the First Great Awakening in the 1730s and 1740s to the Fourth Great Awakening in the late 1960s and early '70s, which touched America and instantly transformed millions of Americans (and American culture as a result), are testimony to that.

Thirty years of trying to use government to stop abortion, preserve opposite-sex marriage, improve television and movie content and transform culture into the conservative Evangelical image has failed. The question now becomes: should conservative Christians redouble their efforts, contributing more millions to radio and TV preachers and activists, or would they be wise to try something else?

I opt for trying something else.

Too many conservative Evangelicals have put too much faith in the power of government to transform culture. The futility inherent in such misplaced faith can be demonstrated by asking these activists a simple question: Does the secular left, when it holds power, persuade conservatives to live by their standards? Of course they do not. Why, then, would conservative Evangelicals expect people who do not share their worldview and view of God to accept their beliefs when they control government?

Too many conservative Evangelicals mistake political power for influence. Politicians who struggle with imposing a moral code on themselves are unlikely to succeed in their attempts to impose it on others. What is the answer, then, for conservative Evangelicals who are rightly concerned about the corrosion of culture, the indifference to the value of human life and the living arrangements of same- and opposite-sex couples?

The answer depends on the response to another question: Do conservative Evangelicals want to feel good, or do they want to adopt a strategy that actually produces results? Clearly partisan politics have not achieved their objectives. Do they think they can succeed by committing themselves to 30 more years of the same?

If results are what conservative Evangelicals want, they already have a model. It is contained in the life and commands of Jesus of Nazareth. Suppose millions of conservative Evangelicals engaged in an old and proven type of radical behavior. Suppose they followed the admonition of Jesus to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison and care for widows and orphans," not as ends, as so many liberals do by using government, but as a means of demonstrating God's love for the whole person in order that people might seek Him?

Such a strategy could be more "transformational" than electing a new president, even the first president of color. But in order to succeed, such a strategy would not be led by charismatic figures, who would raise lots of money, be interviewed on Sunday talk shows, author books and make gobs of money.

Scripture teaches that God's power (if that is what conservative Evangelicals want and not their puny attempts at grabbing earthly power) is made perfect in weakness. He speaks of the tiny mustard seed, the seemingly worthless widow's mite, of taking the last place at the table and the humbling of one's self, the washing of feet and similar acts and attitudes; the still, small voice. How did conservative Evangelicals miss this and instead settle for a lesser power, which in reality is no power at all? When did they settle for an inferior "kingdom"?

Evangelicals are at a junction. They can take the path that will lead them to more futility and ineffective attempts to reform culture through government, or they can embrace the far more powerful methods outlined by the One they claim to follow. By following His example, they will decrease, but He will increase. They will get no credit, but they will see results. If conservative Evangelicals choose obscurity and seek to glorify God, they will get much of what they hope for, but can never achieve, in and through politics.

Write to Cal Thomas at Tribune Media Services, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, N.Y. 14207, or e-mail him at tmseditors@tribune.com.


thanks jen!

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