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Date Posted: 23:37:42 08/15/03 Fri
Author: Mt. Healthy Mountaineer
Subject: Re: Here we go again
In reply to: mvd 's message, "Here we go again" on 10:12:44 08/11/03 Mon

MVD - "We are one of the dirtiest and most deforested states in the country. We also have nearly the worst ranking for land set aside for preservation"

Deforestation? What are you talking about? Have you not seen Southern Indiana? It is essentially one giant forest, once you get out of the flat lands that end just south of Columbus and in to the hill country.

Perhaps you are referencing northern Indiana - which is essentially treeless. A giant portion of northern Indiana was once swampland that was drained by individual landowners in the 19th century - an environmental issue, to be sure, but not deforestation since giant stagnant ponds are not conducive to forests. Most of the rest of northern Indiana was prairie land - prairies, by definition, cannot be deforested.

As for set aside lands for preservation, I know that the states that have the greatest percentage of land set asides are the ones out west. This is not because Westerners are more environmentally friendly, but rather because no one wanted the land. Check out New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska and California in a good atlas. You will note that they have giant parks that are composed of beautiful but very barren wasteland. Millions upon millions of acres of land that you cannot farm. It was for sale or even free under the Homestead Land Act of 1863 (free 160 acres to the farmer who could farm it and would live on it) up until the World War II era, when it was finally pulled off of the market and consolidated under the Dept. of Interior management.

This land was not really protected as much as it was unwanted.

Compare Indiana to states with similar environments (Ohio, Iowa, Illinois, Pennsylvania, etc.) and you will find we rank about the same as them.

Don't get me wrong - Indiana's environment has been ravaged in some places and it is not perfect, but you really are comparing apples to oranges when comparing us to Western states with regards to protected lands and if you would rank Indiana among the world's worst you really are not informed. (Sure Westinghouse fucked up Bloomington but they are forced to slowly pay for its cleanup while Chernobyl has irradiated an entire region and the Russians just sat and watched and never have addressed it)

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MVD's question to me: What has caused such disrespect for the land? Anywhere and everywhere? -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 23:47:53 08/15/03 Fri