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Subject: Re: UFC in Fort Bragg? Author: Neal Weaver [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 23:26:25 09/30/08 Tue In reply to: Rodney 's message, "UFC in Fort Bragg?" on 15:17:27 09/25/08 Thu "Do you guys realize that most fighters are offered a contract only if they agree to sign away licensing rights to their name, image, and likeness? That's such shady business bullshit." How many professional fight contracts have you seen, because it was (and I am sure still is) for ANY promotion to have guys sign those things over as part of their contract, hell alot of amatuer shows have guys sign that over as well. I dont totally disagree about what you say about the UFC, but its Naive. The fight game is for grown ups period. And When I say grown ups I mean thick skinned, sharp witted, understanding that NO ONE is looking out for you and you had better damn sure look out for yourself or pay someone pretty good to do so. Grown men sign contracts. Grown men read these before they sign them. IF a grown man makes a mistake or changes his mind, I am not one to pity him or feel too sorry for him. Last I checked no one MAKES anyone do anything. Also as for Tito and Randy, yeah they caught some flak, but last I checked they are both millionaires too. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: UFC in Fort Bragg? Author: Hayman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:02:15 10/01/08 Wed No one makes anyone do anything...no pity for grown men....making their own choices.... I see your points and I agree with them. However, what you have to realize is that a lot of these younger fighters aren't that savvy. Many guys have come and gone in the UFC. Fighters that could've been something in our sport. But if you don't sign your life away or you aren't part of that "inner circle" you're just gonna get shit on. Tito & Randy ARE millionaires. But I hope you're not insinuating that they deserve to be treated like shit because Zuffa made them millionaires. That's like your boss telling you that he is gonna take your wife out for a night on the town because he signs your paycheck every week. That's absolutely wrong. Just as it would be wrong to say that someone like Joe Stevenson or Joe Lauzon deserve to get ass handled by the corporate entity of zuffa because they are NOT at the level of tito or randy. The big picture is that the UFC is pimping a lot of these guys out. When you have worked your ass off for almost a decade...you have fought and fought and fought in smaller shows only to make your way to the big time and find out that the only game in town at that level is looking to bend you over and lube you up....how would that make YOU feel? But to some guys they sign these contracts because that is all they have in life. Take Forrest Griffin for instance...a helluva nice guy and great fighter. But he was living on someone's fucking couch before being picked for TUF 1. You think he didn't jump at the chance to chase his dream even though he knew he could get fucked in the process? He went for it. And he knew he might not have made it...but that dream was still burning inside him and he had to take the chance. There was no alternative. So now, as fate would have it, he is reaping the rewards. But I am concerned about the other guys in that same situation who don't make it. They are the sad ones who get screwed by the Zuffa juggernaut. Put yourself in the position of that fighter...or even in the position as the coach of that fighter. It'll make you think. There is no honor among thieves. That is the total truth. The UFC puts out a great product. That is without a doubt, but the fact of the matter is that their behind the scenes business ethics suck. They really suck. Fighters being bullied into contracts because they need to put food on the table is nothing short of what happened in the 60's & 70's to the Kentucky coal miners. There is no alternative for a lot of these guys. We should all remember that. Thanks for the good conversation. More? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]