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Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Jimmy Blanchard [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 16:02:39 07/20/02 Sat In reply to: Chris 's message, "Re: who is Luis Togno???" on 14:26:13 07/20/02 Sat Who is Eduardo Hodas? I can't find anyone who has ever heard of this guy. I have tried but nobody knows him. I want to train with a legit BB not just someone who gave themselves a BB. I have heard Togno is good and knows alot of moves and I don't doubt it. I not knocking his ability he might be a great BJJ man but I want to clear up this mystery black belt thing. If Hodas gave hima 2nd degree than he must be pretty high in the ranks himself making it easy to trace but I can't find any info on him. I know that Togno must have gotten his belt several years ago before the BJJ explosion in 93' so there wasn't that many high ranked guys like there is today. Just looking for answers not trying to start anything negative here. JB [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Chris [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:49:00 07/20/02 Sat Honestly I get tired of this "is he legit?" crap that goes on. Is Luis a black belt, yes. If he wasn't why would people like Jacare have anything to do with him? Think he (Jacare) would ruin his rep by having a fraud representing his association? If you are looking to train; why are you really worried about his rank in the first place? Just because a guy is "legit" doesn't make him a good person to train under. If you ant to know all about Hodas or other parts of Luis's past, go to his school and ask him. He'll be more than happy to tell you. Also, while you are there; take the oppertunity to train with him and see for yourself what his skill level is. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Steve Loftin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:06:02 07/21/02 Sun I have heard both positive and negative things about Luis. The negative have all come from people who haven't trained with him. The positive have come from things from people who have. Who cares where the black belt came from? Well, I guess a lot of people like to know the lineages and such so I can understand that. But really, if the guy is good, then he is good. If he sucks then he sucks. In my opinion, belts are just to hold your pants up. Being belted in any art is a great thing in that it gives you a feeling of accomplishment and designates your skills as being at a particular level. It does not mean that you are a competent instructor or an honest person. Go to the academy and roll with the guy. Check out the classes and make an assumption based on your experiences, not on some one elses. That's the best advice I can give you, bro. Steve [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Arm Triangle [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:46:46 07/22/02 Mon Luis has reputable skills. Several people I have trained with have also trained under Luis at one point or another. There seems to be a lot of bashing and fingerpointing that comes from the Raliegh area and is directed towards Luis. I don't know why this is the case. From what I have been told, none of the people that badmouth him has ever roled with him. Luis has been affiliated with Carlson gracie Jr. and now Jacare. Why would these men endorse him if his skills were not legitimate? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Wolf [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:00:38 07/22/02 Mon The answer is $$$ ! No one has ever heard of or seen this Eduardo Hodas guy. I personally know people who have trained with Luis and they'll tell you he's no good technically and personally. He went to the worlds (I believe last year) and got his ass handed to him (in the old mans division). Raleigh guys don't like him because they said he screwed them over and carlos lemos jr.. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Jimmy Blanchard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:17:34 07/22/02 Mon The reason Jacare would associate with someone is a rep is money. It costs alot of money to be a rep and Luis Togno is bringing him in for seminars. As far as skills go, I know he has been beat at the worlds and at the pan ams. The gold he got at the pan am, I heard he didn't even have to fight anyone. So where is this Hodas guy? Who did he get his rank under? No one knows! I'm not saying he's not a nice guy, but the word from raleigh is his rank is not real. Somebody just tell be me who Hodas is under. That should be eay to find out. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Chris [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:28:36 07/22/02 Mon First off; Luis didn't compete in the Worlds last year. If he did; he certainly didn't tell anyone about it. Second; when it comes to what happened with Luis,and Lemos is between those two. The guys in Raliegh should just keep out of the business between the two. It also pays to get both sides of the story before siding with one side or the other. Because as in all cases; there are 3 sides to every story, Side A, Side B, and the truth. What happened over the dogs is something only those two will ever know all the details about. As for Luis not having any skill; everyone that I know that has trained with him has said that he more than knows his stuff. If he didn't know anything why would most of the local BJJ trainers take the time to come by and train with h im? Also, why would there be people driving up from GA and SC repeatedly to take classes? As I said the first time; if you want to know about Luis's past, to include Hodas, simply call or email Luis and ask. Of course I doubt anyone will do this since its much easier to make uneducated statements and pass on rumors and half-truths instead of getting all the facts for yourself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Wolf [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:15:28 07/22/02 Mon Then you definitely haven't talked with everyone that has trained with him, because he's a fake and a fraud. I know this story personally and let me tell you, if you want to train with someone with his morals, then you can have him. This is not an uneducated statement, rumor, or half-truth, simply the facts. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Chris [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:24:13 07/22/02 Mon No, I haven't talked with everyone thats trained with him, but I do know a good number of them. All of them have nothing but good things to say about his skills on the mat. Also these are guys that have more than just a 1 day BJJ seminar as experience. If you or your "friends" have a different view, oh well. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Guy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:43:26 07/23/02 Tue Ok, so luis is a second degree black belt in bjj. If this is the case, where are his long standing students. Wouldn't it stand to reason that he has students that are above a blue belt rank. I trained with luis for quite some time over three years ago. And still to this day I don't know of any one of his students that have recieved a purple belt or higher from him. And none of his students have ever competed at those respective belt levels in any major tournaments. Wounldn't an instructor of his caliber have produced students of that level? I think this has some validity not only to his credibility, but also his abilities as an instructor. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Tom [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:29:30 07/23/02 Tue Guy, you said that you trained with Luis...Did you not learn from him? YOu did! was he not technical, he was... and yes he has just a couple of purples... but yes luis is a great guy always got a joke to tell...but the joke is on you player haters, He's a Blk Blt Rep for Jacare, so are you now gonna question Jacares ability to judge some ones rank!!! He is talented as well and if you trained with him, you and your brother, Frank and the rest can agree that when you did train with him you learned and won... People want to talk about his performance at the worlds acouple of yrs ago, ya he lost and he laughs about it... jean jacque also lost in 23 seconds at the worlds.. does that mean jean jacque is no good????? luis went to the Pan Am's and no body was in his division so he won...well Luis heredia Rickson Gracies Blck Belt won a belt at the Pro Am's in Raleigh NC and didn't fight any won, and those are the facts... take care train hard and keep up the greet promo for his academy cause the more sh&6t you guys talk the more people want to check him out...HAHAHA great way to advertise... have a great day...Oh and buy some listerine to get that bad taste out your mouth... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Guy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:27:31 07/23/02 Tue Sounds like he has already given you the scoop on us. I learned enough technique from luis to put one stripe on a white belt. And yeah, when I was with him I won. But, I bet he failed to mention it to you that I was winning well before he came along. Bet he also forgot to tell you that I was training for two years before training with him. Not with anyone of his caliber of course, just folks like Rickson Graice (who I got my blue belt from), Renzo Gracie, Pedro Sauer, Rolles Gracie, and Rodgrigo Gracie. The only reason I even trained with him was to see if he was credible. At the time he was the only person in North Carolina claiming to be a black belt. Most anyone would jump at the opportunity to train with a black belt. But, it didn't take long to learn about him. That's exactly why none of the guys in this area train with him anymore. So, has for promoting your school by talking Sh$%t, then I'm glad to do it. If more people will go and train with him for it than I'm glad. That only means they will be learning piss poor techniques and I'll continue to get better and better, from a real black belt. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Tom [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:07:19 07/23/02 Tue Thats funny, Guy... I've also trained with Rickson, Pedro, Carlos machado, Ralph Gracie just to name a few...and still do from time to time. Getting a blue belt with Rickson is no big deal. But you was good and you can't say that Luis didn't help you improve. Cause even your brother and the rest of the guys saw how much you improved hell I did!!! you was his little side kick... but he did help you learn. and thats the facts. You also failed to mention to the rest of the forum that Luis would drive 3 hrs to go teach you guys almost every other week end. And you know why he stopped teaching in Raleigh, because him and Frank had a falling out...or did you forget, Frank got pissed because he sat at a restuarant while the rest of you went with Luis and Carlos lemos to another restuarant then to a strip club...By the way Luis didn't give me no low down on you guys...I remember you guys when you guys would come to statesville to train...remember the oriental girl that we took pix of rolling ( cristina )or did you forget about that too...so hows your Brother,hahaha? we all had good times training with Luis... No need to bash him if you don't want to train with him... to each his own. You now whats kinda funny, Luis still talks so highly of you and your brother and how technical you guys were... Mr. technition, was it not...thats what he use to call you...so did you finally get your purple? If you did. Congrats...Luis never did any thing to you guys but try to help your game...and you know thats the truth, he would answer and show you whatever you wanted to know. You can call him at any hour of the night and he'll be there to answer your question or help you with a problem if thats the case... Ya he likes to party and have fun, ya he's a little crazy for some peoples taste but all in all he's a great guy thats willing to help anyone if he can... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: THE JIU JITSU UNKNOWN [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:01:59 07/23/02 Tue HI TOM YOU SURE TALK A GOOD GAME, I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK TO THE PEOPLE AT LUIS'S SCHOOL IN STATESVILLE WHEN IT WAS THERE AND FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE, IS TOM YOUR REAL NAME I THINK I REMEMBER A TOM FROM THERE, I THINK YOU WERE A WHITE BELT. LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING WERE YOU THE GUY THAT HAD THE TERRIBLE AND GROSS LOOKING TOENAILS THAT HAD NOT BEEN CUT IN ABOUT 5 YEARS IT LOOKED LIKE. IF NOT I APOLOGIZE I'M THINKING OF SOMEONE ELSE. BUT WHOEVER YOU ARE HAVE YOU IMPROVED SINCE YOU TRAINED WITH LUIS CAUSE IF YOUR WHO I THINK YOU ARE YOU SUCKED. AND AS FOR YOU TO BASH MY FELLOW TEAMMATE GUY YOU SHOULD PRAISE HIM FOR COMING TO STATESVILLE TO TRAIN WITH LUIS BECAUSE ABOUT THE ONLY GOOD TECHNIQUE YOU LEARNED FROM THAT SCHOOL WAS THE TECHNIQUE THAT COME FROM HIM WHEN HE TRAVELED THERE TO TRAIN AND HELPED ALOT OF THE GUYS OUT THERE. GO GET A MANCURE AND TRIM THOSE NAILS UP BEFORE YOU ROLL AGAIN TAKE CARE TOENAILS....... GUY, JACKIE TULLOCK AND MIKE AUSTIN SAY HELLO,,,,,,,,,,LOLOLOL [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:55:05 07/24/02 Wed It seems morality always comes up when folks talk about Tognos. I dont know what to make of the dog story; but I do know a guy who trained with him alot. The guy was impressd at first, then he trained with some other black belts like Alameida and Lemos and really felt there was a HUGE gap in the prowess of those guys and Tognos. Now I could care less if he is a black blet or not, but I never see any of his guys compete or fight in MMA. Guy made alot of good points, and I think glossing over his point blank questions with crap like "he is such a great guy" is a major dodge. A guy who considers training with him is entitled to ask his questions too. Only a fool blindly accepts what he is given from one source. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: rebecca [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:28:24 07/23/02 Tue I have trained in bjj for over 4 years. I have trained with Renzo Gracie,Jacare, Relson Gracie, Pedro Sauer, Jorge Popovich, Erik Paulson and Carlos Machado. I recieved my blue belt from Renzo Gracie in 2000. I KNOW a black belt when I train with one!!! After training at many seminars trying to learn bjj and training 4 classes a week every week at my home academy for 4 years --- I found Luis. I drive 2.5 hours one way every weekend to have the privilege of training with this man who loves the art more than anyone I know. I have learned more and improved my skill level more in the past 6 months than I have in 4 years. His seminars are the BEST - equal to those I have taken with Renzo Gracie. Luis is without a doubt skilled and knowledgable on the mat, a wonderful person, who not only teaches his students everything without HIDING techniques like so many instructors do - he also considers his students his friends. If you can't say something good - then just don't say anything at all!!!!!! Maybe you are just not so confident in your own rank or lack there of - that you have to talk down about someone else in order to throw a smoke screen around your own failings. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Jimmy Blanchard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:41:38 07/23/02 Tue Hey, I don't want to talk bad about Luis Togno, I don't even know him. He might be a great guy, I don't know. I just want to know who Eduardo Hodas is under? Luis is under Hodas and Hodas is under who? All you guys who have trained under Luis seem to know hin very good, well that's great!So who is his instructor under? Not jacare, not Carlson Gracie jr, but Hodas! That's the question. Luis might be a great BJJ man, but is he being honest about his rank? That's the question. I think you guys are very loyal and that's great. I respect that very much, but don't you guys who are his students know what your own lineage is? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Guy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:39:33 07/24/02 Wed OH man these have been some pretty funny posts as of late. I have to agree with jimmy on the point at hand. Why can't luis produce concrete proof of his instructor, Eduardo Hodas. If Eduardo truely is a bjj black belt then he should be recognized within the bjj community. I once heard from Relson Gracie that he had never heard of Eduardo and didn't know of any legitament bjj school in Peurto Rico, supposedly where luis trained. And if anyone should have that kind of knowledge, it would be a Gracie. If luis would just answer these questions, then a lot of these doubts would cease. The point is Jimmy wants proof of what luis lineage is, not just here say of what it is. I say that if your learning something from the guy then more power to you. Doesn't matter what belt he has on. But, if I'm training under someone and want to advance in rank, then I would hope that the guy is legite. Let's stick to the point at hand, Jimmy just wants proof of the linage and rank. I had almost forgoten about toenails ... I laughed my ass off when I read that one. Thanks for the support "the jiu-jitsu unknown"! WELL OK, tell Jackie Tullock and Mike Austin and the rest of the boys I sayed hey. The true path to becoming a jedi master is honesty. Lies and deceat leads to path of the dark side ... lies lead to hate ... hate leads to anger ... and anger leads to suffering!!!!!!!!!! Thought you might like that one jiu-jitsu unknown [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Arm Triangle [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:40:02 07/24/02 Wed Oh brother! What a crock this has turned out to be. Leave it to those guys in Raliegh to stir the pot. Could it be a bit of jealousy perhaps? Luis is virtually unknown to everyone who is not in his training circle. It has been that way for years. Carlos Lemos stated in an interview that no other black belt had bothered to come to NC before he came. HA! Luis has been around for a while now. It is funny to me how all of these people feel they have to insult a man's credentials. As far as a money issue, I can see where that comes from. But, by saying that Jacare or Carlson Jr. endorsed Luis simply because of the cash is the same as saying that they aren't reputable instructors. Anyone who is anyone would not want a con artist to go around making a bad name for them. You see my point? Luis has been doing very well for himself in the Charlotte area. His SC connections are also very pleased with his work. One thing that I can't get over is how the Raliegh guys are always so quick to jump on Luis's back. I will agree that Triangle BJJ had some great guys there. But let's be honest. All the hype about a certain "journalist" leader of the club is not all that it is cracked up to be. He always seems to drop the dime that he has high ranking friends in the BJJ community. When this journalist himself is nothing more than a wanna be. He sure does talk a good game though. It seems to me that there is a LOT of jealousy floating around the North Carolina BJJ circles. And I believe that a large portion of it comes directly from Raliegh. If you are guilty of this, you know who you are. If not, then don't sweat it. I think that Jacare and CG Jr. would be happy to know that you guys think no more of them than that they endorse a fraud. All of you guys should get together and write them a letter letting them know how you really feel. I bet they would appreciate it to know what type of BJJ people that reside in this state. Relson Gracie? Well then, if he has never heard of Hodas then he must not exist. Give me a fucking break! Relson comes from the Gracie family so he is knowledgable about all things in BJJ? Really? Okay then, what about what happened between him and the Inoue brothers in Hawaii? Relson can get on his high horse at times just like the other Gracies. Let's just leave that subject alone. As far as training goes, I have taken seminars from some great instructors like Paulson, Rickson, Sauer, Carlson Jr, and others. The instruction I got from one of Luis' seminars was everybit as helpful as theirs. I am a lifelong white belt in BJJ if you happen to wonder. But don't let the rank fool you. Belts are only the fancy decorations of a man's true skills, in my opinion. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Tapuout247 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:41:41 07/24/02 Wed . "I will agree that Triangle BJJ had some great guys there. But let's be honest. All the hype about a certain "journalist" leader of the club is not all that it is cracked up to be. He always seems to drop the dime that he has high ranking friends in the BJJ community. When this journalist himself is nothing more than a wanna be. He sure does talk a good game though." Armtriangle, I have not got into this and am not. yes, I am a wanna be, so is everyone else. I wanna be better than I am right now. Do I have a lot of good high ranking bjj friends, yes. They never lied to me when they said they would be there for a seminar. They gave me fight tapes when I asked to see them. They never left me sitting in a restaurant for two hours lieing and saying they were on their way. They actually compete in ADCC, the worlds and Pan Ams against real opponents and win. As for Luis I wish him the best of luck in all his endeavours. I am happy with my life, I hope you and Luis are too Arm Triangle.By the way I am not training at Triangle BJJ nor am I there ring leader. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Chris [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:41:34 07/24/02 Wed As was said before; if anyone really wanted to know the answer to these questions, they would simply email, call, or visit the school and ask Luis about it. Its not like his email, school address, and phone number isn't available. Every couple months someone decides to get online and start talking junk about Luis and 9 times out of 10 it stems from one location/ group of people. It seems like these individuals would gettirted of doing the same stuff repeatedly, but I guess they have to get their kicks somehow. In closing, if anyone truely wants the answers to the questions that were intially asked (and for some reason I doubt they do), contact Luis and get the answers from the man himself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Chris [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:42:04 07/24/02 Wed As was said before; if anyone really wanted to know the answer to these questions, they would simply email, call, or visit the school and ask Luis about it. Its not like his email, school address, and phone number isn't available. Every couple months someone decides to get online and start talking junk about Luis and 9 times out of 10 it stems from one location/ group of people. It seems like these individuals would gettirted of doing the same stuff repeatedly, but I guess they have to get their kicks somehow. In closing, if anyone truely wants the answers to the questions that were intially asked (and for some reason I doubt they do), contact Luis and get the answers from the man himself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: who is Luis Togno??? Author: Luis for President! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:04:42 07/24/02 Wed Luis is a great guy.Me like him lots.He no do bad things.All those guys in Raleigh,Cary,Hillsborough,Virginia,and Brazil that say he no good very bad man they make that stuff up.Luis happy smiley guy. Come on,do you guys really think that all these people would be saying bad things about somebody for no reason?Yea,a bunch of people from different parts of the state got together and decided to victemize somebody on all the forums.But who could we victemize?We were at a loss so we sent a few guy on a quest for a victem.On that quest they met some brazilians.Now the circle was complete.We looked up luis togno in the phone book and now we bad mouth him.The funny thing is never did anything wrong.We just make stuff up.Not only do we make stuff up,but we do it for no reason what so ever. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]