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Date Posted: 18:50:59 01/22/02 Tue
Author: ALAN
Subject: Re: Wayne H. Aaland
In reply to: Rev Gadfly 's message, "Re: Wayne H. Aaland" on 16:33:26 01/22/02 Tue

ALAN: Well said RevG. Wayne doesn't know who his real friends are. You are telling him the truth, giving chapter and verse, and a detailed explanation of why the prophecy fails, and still he listens to his pastor who wants to lie via worthless apologetics. I agree that Isiahs words are no more worhtwhile than Joseph Smith.

One good thing is that Wayne has stuck around. Most Chrisitnas would have either called us names and ran for the hills, or started babbling. Wayne is to be congratulated for sticking it out this long.

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[> [> [> The misnomer of prophecy -- Paul Angle, 02:07:35 01/23/02 Wed

Isn't it rather expected apologists don't ever mention the prophecies in the Bible which did not come to pass, they back step and try and claim they are still to come. Does anyone have a list of these, I know of about 3 off the top of my head. The one about Egpyt being desolate for 40 years with no occupants and the Nile river drying up is a major one that did not occur. I see this sort of reasoning applied to the real Jewish prophecies of their messiah that Jesus failed to fulfill. The Apologists will claim, they are future happenings but it is well known these are the signs of the messiah to happen upon the appearence of the messiah, as proof of the messiah promised to the Jews by God. Ever seen the apologist list of Christian Jesus' prophecies, they aren't even prophecy, not even vage references to Jesus, Moses strikes a rock in the desert as God commands for water for the people and presto its really about Jesus!! Jesus becomes the rock, and the metaphors begin to fly. By that reasoning I can claim they are about me and events in my life. That isn't prophecy, that's projecting metaphors where there are none.
One also fails to realize that the Bible claims prophecy that comes true is of God and those that don't are false or mistaken. Anyone see the bandaid on that reasoning? How long is the time period in question? Are we to think some desert tribal religious fanatic actually predicted a future event 2,500 years later? The New Testaments claims of Jesus have not come to pass in 2,000 years it seems to me these are false claims and prophecies. Especially when we can establish at the time of writing they thought his return to be imminant.


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[> [> [> [> http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1995/3/3proph95.html -- see this URL for a nicely done list of failed prophecies, 05:40:54 02/25/02 Mon


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