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Date Posted: 10:30:45 04/01/02 Mon
Author: Rev Gadfly
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Contradiction: "...there is no savior but Me" -Hosea 13:4
In reply to: Paul Angle 's message, "The Ultimate Contradiction: "...there is no savior but Me" -Hosea 13:4" on 09:49:43 03/05/02 Tue

Paul:
"The Bible, the oddest of all books, is it any wonder believers think they possess a magic decoder ring to decifer its magic codes and information. Seems to be rather clear to me, the NT contradicts the OT or Jewish texts completely."

RevG

That is correct, and I might add that the NT even fails to corrobrate itself; it is full of internal contradictions which no amount of translation can undo. For example, the gospels cannot agree on a number of key fundamental issues in christianity, the last words of Jesus to his apostles. This is not some minor item, but a very important one. How can divinely inspired men fail to corrobrate an event they supposedly were present at?

Historically speaking, Paul was the first NT writer, and in his main letters [excluding the pastorials which are recognized by mainstream scholars as being penned by others], he totally ignores the historical Jesus. There is no virgin birth in Paul, no flight to Egypt, no miracles, no major teachings of Jesus. Paul's Jesus is a theological construct, not a historical person.

A dead giveaway that Matthew was written long after is that in Paul, we are told that we don't know how to pray; this is a funny statement, for didn't he hear about the Sermon of the Mount and the "Lord's Prayer"?

A dead giveaway that Luke was written long after the fact is that its first four verses openly state that a new gospel is being written to put the record straight. Consider the wording: "Inasmuch as MANY have undertaken to COMPILE an account ...." Who is he talking about? The traditional Christian view is that Luke was written around the same time as the other three, and all the false gospels came much later; so are we to believe that this 'Luke' is taking exception with the other three gospels and trying to set the record straight in what he calls "an exact truth". If Luke's gospel is an 'exact truth' than one must accept that the other three are partial truths at best, falsehoods at worst -- for how can an exact truth be anything but supremely accurate! Yet Luke disagrees with the other gospels in choice of wording for the few events which are common, and disagree greatly on any item not in Mark. For example, the nativity accounts in Matthew and Luke are in complete disagreement on all but three items: 1) a baby named Jesus, a town named Bethlehem, and 3) a mother named Mary -- they fail to corrobrate beyond that.

In addition, the authorship of the gospels are unknown. The authors fail to identify themselves, for to do so would have meant to discredit their works.

"As the opportunities of forgeries were greater, so also was the inducement. A man could gain no advantage by writing under the name of Homer or euclid; if he could write equal to them, it would be better he wrote under his own name; if inferior, he could not succeed. Pride would prevent the former, and impossibility the latter. But with respect to such books as compose the New Testament, all the inducements were on the side of the forgery. The best imagined history that could have been made, at the distance of two or three hundred years after the time, could not have passed for an original under the name of the real writer; the only chance of success lay in forgery, for the church wanted pretense for its new doctrine, and truth and talents were out of the
question." -- Thomas Paine

The NT is fiction, and Christians deep down know it. But like children, they become furious if any of their deeply held fairy tales are challenged.

Faith is the vilest form of intellectual corruption.

peace

Rev Gadfly

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