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Date Posted: 09:19:35 06/13/00 Tue
Author: Peter
Subject: Re: References & Definitions
In reply to: DavidL 's message, "Re: References & Definitions" on 23:42:40 06/12/00 Mon

> I haven't seen the pictures in question so I can't
> comment on the position of the clubface.

It is difficult to have this discussion if you have not looked at the pictures. There is no common reference.

> > As I said, Ctumflog said that with NG the club face
> > was square to the swing plane for most of the swing.
> > To me this means the club face is at a right angle to
> > the swing plane (as demonstrated in the 'square
> > tracking' drills. Do you agree with Ctunflog's
> > statement?
>
> I don't know about Arista but I agree with ctunflog.
> From hip high to hip high the clubface is at right
> angles to the plane, in both Moe Norman's and the
> conventional swing. Beyond that they both rotate to
> on plane.

If you look at the pictures you will see that in the downswing, shaft slightly above horizontal Moe's club face is slightly short of vertical. In his follow through, shaft slightly above horizontal the club face is slightly past vertical. The club head went from apx. toe up to toe up from shaft hor. before impact to shaft hor. after impact. If this is what you and Ctumflog mean by right angles to the plane then we are in agreement. This is not however what I think most would infer from that statement. I think for most a right angle looks like this:

.............Face
...............|
Plane ----|---- (pardon the attempt at art:-)
...............|

In case the diagram does not line up, the intent is to shoe the club face as the vertical line and the swing plane as a horizontal line. The relationship between vertical and horizontal (90 deg) is the interpretation i draw from square/perpendicular/at right angles for this case.

Near impact the plane line is the target line and the implication I draw from Ctumflog's statement is the same one explicitly demonstrated in the infomercial: that NG is superior in part because of an extended period where the club face is square/perpendicular/at right angles to the target line. It may be true that it is extended relative to CG, but not to either the extent demonstrated in the infomercial or what I would draw from Ctumflog's statement.

As to the rest, all are entitled to their opinions.

Peter

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