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Date Posted: 23:42:40 06/12/00 Mon
Author: DavidL
Subject: Re: References & Definitions
In reply to: Peter 's message, "Re: References & Definitions" on 00:16:38 06/11/00 Sun

Hi Peter, please allow me to address some of your points.

> The plane to which I refer is the 'Hogan sheet of
> glass' from the ball to the shoulder. The way I see
> picture #4 the club face is not parallel to that line
> but about 10-20 degrees more vertical. Do you see it
> differently?

There's one problem with your assessment. Moe Norman does not swing on Hogan's plane. The path of the clubhead defines the plane. You cannot say Moe's clubface is not in a certain position in relation to one plane when he's swinging on another plane. To have a valid argument you need to make reference to the plane of the clubhead that Moe is using. I haven't seen the pictures in question so I can't comment on the position of the clubface.

> As I said, Ctumflog said that with NG the club face
> was square to the swing plane for most of the swing.
> To me this means the club face is at a right angle to
> the swing plane (as demonstrated in the 'square
> tracking' drills. Do you agree with Ctunflog's
> statement?

I don't know about Arista but I agree with ctunflog. From hip high to hip high the clubface is at right angles to the plane, in both Moe Norman's and the conventional swing. Beyond that they both rotate to on plane.

> Dr. Mann has one interpretation of the swing.

Dr. Mann has the most accurate interpretation of the golf swing to date. His data is the result of 15+ years of research collected from the actual swings of the top touring pros. Their swings have been computer and biomechanically analyzed, a first for golf.

> do not agree as Dr. Mann pointed out about 'Search
> for the Perfect Swing' and others on pages 10&11 of
> 'Swing Like a Pro'.

The others were not Phd's in Biomechanics nor did they computerize swings of the pro's. There assessment were based on still pictures, video and theory.

> Having had a class at Compusport one of Dr. Mann's related enterprises)

So have I and it's the best lesson I ever had in my life.

> I am very
> aware of some of the strengths and weaknesses of his
> interpretation especially as applied to SA.

His model is the conventional swing, it was not meant to be interpreted for single axis. If you use single axis why did you go get analyzed by a conventional swing model?

> The photo sequence that I mentioned of Duval and Tiger
> do not show what Dr. Mann says is the proper position
> in Fig. 6-20 on page 164. Does this make them
> incorrect? I understand Dr. Mann's rationale as
> explained in Chapter 7 but it should be noted that
> this rationale is related to a conventional golf setup
> and grip.

I have a photo sequence of Tiger and he's exactly in the position per fig. 6-20. In fact Tiger almost matches the model perfectly in all aspects, perhaps that's why he's so good.

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