VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Thursday, April 25, 5:41:50Login ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 123[4]5678910 ]
Subject: Re: Can't decide?


Author:
Shellie
[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]
Date Posted: 12/21/07 10:34am
In reply to: Stephanie 's message, "Can't decide?" on 12/19/07 12:34pm

Hi Stephanie,

I'm sorry I didn't reply sooner. I hope with all my heart that you do not show up for that appointment today. I just want to quickly say that the emotions you go through during pregnancy (especially the early part of and unplanned one) can really throw you. I can't tell you how many times I've heard women say they felt like they didn't even like their husband/boyfriend for a couple of months!

It's normal to not want the pregnancy, initially. That's one of the sad things about abortion....they are usually done during the same time-frame that the woman is feeling "I don't want this baby!", and they are dealing with the fear and uncertainty that is normal in this life changing situation. But if only they gave it more time, these women would see that perspectives change. The same women who initially do not want the baby, turn out to be overjoyed to have their new little surprises.

It's also normal for the father to share the same fears (-minus the hormones). It's hard to say whether he will eventually support you and love his child, it has a lot to do with how committed he is to you. Men who have no intentions of being with the woman forever, usually want to split after learning about the baby. Men who are committed to the woman will usually break out of the initial fear phase and later become supportive of continuing.

Let us know what you've decided and how you're doing!

Take care,

Shellie

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:
[> Subject: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Shellie
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 12/22/07 11:25am

Hi Stephanie,

I'm so sorry you are hurting so badly right now. I'd give you a hug if I could! I can sort of relate to some of your feelings. I have had 2 pregnancies that were not in the best of situations. Feeling alone and unloved/unsupported is an awful place to be. But I can tell you that it's a temporary thing. You will find happiness again. Perhaps this is just a rough spot in your relationship and your boyfriend has slipped into temporary "jerk mode". Or maybe you'll discover he's not the one for you. Either way, you will get through this.

Please continue to post here. We'd love to support you throughout your entire pregnancy--and beyond!

You are in my prayers!

Shellie

[> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
luka
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 12/30/07 3:22am

Stephanie, you haven't posted in a while does this mean you had an abortion? I'm not here judging you if you did but i wondered how your going regardless of what decision was made. I am a single mum of 4- 3 have the same father. Having 4 on your own can be a juggling act sometimes but also fun and its wonderful to have such close loving children who love each other tremendously. I can imagine things being easier if you have at least one slightly older child like you do. I want to echo what the other ladies have said but to also validate everything you have written i completely understand your confusion i have been there more than a few times myself. Things do get better one way or another -thats something i have learned through my 2 unplanned pregnancies and various rough patches in my life. I have felt divine discontent a few times and really it was like being in an insecapable nightmare at times- i never thought i'd be happy again- usually because of some man. But i was happy again and a hell of alot stronger and more capable once out the other side- and there is another side for you too. There is a quote by Winston Churchill that says- "If youre going through hell keep going' - i can only assume it's for my before mentioned reasons- because you WILL come out the other side. So don't be afraid, take a deep breath and know that somehow some way you will be allright. If youre still pregnant this is the hard part- all the angst and apprehension will dissipate, you will feel these things for a little while and hopefully you wil have your baby and all the heartache will be for something so worthy and precious. I am here to support you no matter what- yes i am a stranger but a compassionate non judgmental person who has been where you are and who does care. Please come back and let us know how you and your family are going. x
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
stephanie
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 01/ 1/08 3:15pm

Thank you for the wonderful message! I have not done anything yet. I just cannot seem to get focused enough to figure out what is right for me. My boyfriend and I have offically broken up right after Christmas. This has caused too much strain I suppose. He pretty much told me that I am selfish and that he doesn't ever want to look at me again. Well, that leaves me in a very sad and helpless place. I am glad that if he doesn't want to be with me that he ends it rather than pretend to be happy. I don't think that I was really happy either. All that said, I feel like the only possible outcome would be to terminate. I am so exhausted thinking about what to do I wish it would all end and go away. I have to start school on the 7th and my schedule will be crazy busy. All the kids have afterschool sports or activities and I can't imagine trying to do all that with being preggers or trying to bring along another child. Still feeling desperate after all this time.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Pat
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 01/ 1/08 10:57pm

Hi, Stephanie,

My heart goes out to you. If you aren't constantly at war in your own mind, it will relieve a lot of the stress. For you to protect your baby is NOT selfish. It requires some sacrifice, as you well know.

Unfortunately, having an abortion will NOT make it end and go away. You will have had this precious child, and you will take away that precious protection and it will probably haunt you the rest of your life. Women who say they're fine with it aren't always telling the whole story. They don't feel they can talk about it, and they're still wishing it would all go away, and they think if they don't think about it, it will. The problem is, even though we are not consciously aware of it, we have already bonded with our children, and that bond will be disrupted, and emotionally it will affect us one way or another. Think of the possible consequences if you are harmed in some way and can't take care of your other children, or you lose interest in completing your studies. I have known women for whom this was tragic in itself. The consequences, both emotional and physical, are severe, and there is no guarantee you will be one of the lucky few. Please know that in order to do an abortion, they have to harm your body. Why? Because our bodies were designed to protect our children, and if they disrupt that, it causes grave harm. I think it is criminal you even have to MAKE such a decision. A pregnancy should bring joy, and as long as you have this hovering over your head, it won't. It is common for a woman not to want to be pregnant at first, even when the baby is very wanted, and it's a hormone thing.

Did I tell you that I got my degree when we had four children, three of them preschoolers? I had the help of my husband part of the time, because he took care of them while I was in class. But you can get help from a crisis pregnancy agency to find a way to care for your children while you are in class.

What's selfish about all of this? That you won't do your boyfriend's bidding and take care of the little problem so he can take advantage of you again. You're not thinking of him and putting his desires first. Well, it isn't his decision. It's yours, because you have to live with the consequences. He doesn't. And I think that's what is eating you emotionally. You don't want an abortion. You have made that very plain. You are not a good candidate, because you really don't want it. You have a right to have your baby. It may seem like a strange right, but believe me, you will understand if you protect that little one.

Anyway, I urge you to protect your baby. If my experience has any validity, I can tell you that I have talked to hundreds of women, and in that time, I have only talked to a woman ONCE who wished she had had an abortion. And she fought to keep custody of her baby when they wanted to take her away. But the number of women who have expressed their regrets from having an abortion has been overwhelming. They would give anything to take it back, but they can't. Abortion is forever. At least as long as you are still pregnant, you have a choice. Abortion ends that choice. The most typical thing I hear these women say is, Not a day goes by that I don't think about that baby (the one they aborted).

Please save yourself a lot of grief. Don't hurt yourself or your baby. We will help you find the resources you need to make it through school. Have you talked to someone at a crisis pregnancy agency yet? If not, PLEASE do. You can find one in your area by going here: www.pregnancycenters.org At least talk to them before you do anything. It is an opportunity to save your soul and your motherhood of all your children, and you most likely will always regret you didn't take a look at your options.

Regardless of what you do, we will be here for you. We just won't help you hurt yourself or your baby. We love you both.

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Heather
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 01/ 2/08 11:47am

Hi Stephanie,

It's really good to see a post from you. I was disappointed because I wrote a lengthy post to you over a week ago and somehow it got lost in cyberspace and never made it to the board. That happens sometimes.

I absolutely agree with Pat, your decision to protect a human life instead of terminate it is the polar opposite of selfish. I think a lot of men struggle with perspective on the abortion issue. It's more challenging for them, I think, because they can know in their mind that the woman is pregnant but it doesn't register to the full extent of reality what it all means because it's not their body.

If it's any consolation, you're not alone at all. It seems to be a trend for a lot of men to back out of a relationship when a hoped for abortion doesn't materialize. Unfortunately, many back out after the abortion, too. Too much strain and stress for the halfway committed, as you noted.

The other good news is the same as the consolation - you're not alone! There are thousands and thousands of women who have been in your place and managed an unplanned pregnancy very well. Some women really surprise themselves.

I think just about every woman posting here is a mother themself, and knows what's entailed with having a baby - both the sheer joys and the challenges. I don't think anyone here would try to say - 'it'll be no problem!'

Clearly, it will be challenging if you have another baby. However, it will be challenging in quite different and possibly more devastating ways to have the abortion. Many post abortive women feel either months or years later that the choice was not the easy erase they thought they were signing up for. The permanence of it, of never being able to bring back the little human life ended can be extremely difficult to process and live with.

I have also observed from my own life, and the lives of others that stressful and daunting circumstances are never chronic. They have their seasons just like those of joy and ease. Most women who post here undecided about whether or not to abort experience a tremendous ease of pain and stress once the decision to walk away from abortion has been made. It's as if the biggest hurdle of inner conflict has been cleared and they are free to focus their attention and energy on 'plan b' and moving on with the unplanned pregnancy and flex with it.

Have you explored and tapped into all the resources available to you right now? If you haven't contacted your local Pregnancy Resource Center yet I highly recommend it. They have all resources available to you under one roof, and are extremely supportive and compassionate towards women working through unplanned pregnancies. All of their services are free; they've been a huge, huge help to a lot of women.

I'm glad that you've held your ground this long! And impressed with your strength. You don't have to have it all together to be doing ok right now. Try to figure out the things that are most important to you and let the other things take care of themselves.

With Kindness,

Heather

P.S. - Don't forget to take good care of yourself! It's really easy to neglect that during stressful times, but you need sleep, eat well, get a decent amount of exercise and give yourself time to think.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
luka
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 01/ 5/08 3:35am

Selfish? Oh that old chestnut (not!) lol. That must be the catch phrase for all abusive men. I am not kidding the amount of times i have been called selfish by a man who made me want to slit my wrists (metaphorically speaking) are numerous. I agree with the above and i am sure you realise that having your baby is not selfish at all. Having a baby is alot of work as you allready know! Thats half the reason you don't know what to do because you know the sacrafices needed to raise a child. He is being selfish by walking away. At least you are giving your baby a chance and thinking it through seriously. As i said i have 4 children and if i found myself pregnant any time soon i would be in a real pickle myself. I would be beside myself and needing to set up some sort of support network . I would probably move closer to my extended family to get the help i would need to raise another child but i know part of me would be screaming i can't do this! Believe me i understand where your head is at, or can at least imagine. How far along are you now? Can you tell me the main reason why you have not decided either way yet?

On another note my little boy turned 1 yesterday! He is nearly walking and is such a handsome adorable little boy. He's confident and outgoing and *so smart! I think back to when i was pregnant and all crap that i went through. It's a distant memory now. I have my hands well and truely full now lol. His father is remaining true to form. He's involved and doing his bit which is nice but i strongly suspect that his 'planned child' with another woman gets much more of his time attention and resources. It erks me but i don't regret having him.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
stephanie (very tired)
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 01/ 7/08 12:17pm

I am now 11 weeks along. I am so physically beat from having to think and rethink this issue. I have never in my life suffered so much depression and anxiety from something. I really think that it would be a huge mistake to continue with this. I am so broke and tired already that I really don't know how I would manage. I think that the main reason why I can't decide is that my head is telling me logical and somewhat selfish reasons why it would be terrible to have this child...no money, too tired, the other children's feelings, no room in the house, almost finished with school and can finally get a job...Then on the other hand when I have went to my appointments I imagine them sucking out the baby and that totally makes me want to throw up. I am so afraid that I will feel it move and then I will be paralyed. I have no money for any preggo clothes. I haven't even bought myself underwear for ever. My b/f has managed to convince me(sorta) that he is very sorry and that he will be there for me-I almost believe him.I am not making any decision based on what he wants or even thinks at this point-all he is thinking is very literal and almost too non-emotional. Do you think that if someone does have an abortion that they will ever see their child again, maybe after death? Is that morbid? I wonder when I die if I will see it again? I am not totally religious anymore-I grew up Catholic, but was also wondering if doing that ensures that I will never go to Heaven? I will then never see my other children. I am wrestling with some very emotional issues right now and he is not someone that I can talk to about those things. He doesn't think about them-maybe I shouldn't either. I almost feel decided then, I come here and read these messages and feel different. I am such a mess. Keeping the baby will be so hard I have nothing to give another baby...nothing.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Pat
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 01/ 7/08 3:43pm

Hi, Stephanie,

I am so sorry you are going through this! Have you visited a crisis pregnancy agency? They have so many answers. They can't necessarily find all the answers, but they can find enough so you can make it. They will help you with clothes. In fact, some of the women here can do that as well. I'd do it if I knew where my clothes were. Seriously. Also, go down and apply for some of the government programs for women in your position. You can get a Pell grant to help you through that final semester. You can get food at the food bank. Maybe they'll be short on some things, but you never know until you ask! The crisis pregnancy agency can help you find a better place to live if you need that. As for not having enough room for another child, I'll tell you how it was with us. We kept the baby in the room with us (some mothers sleep with their babies, and I did this part of the time with my youngest.) A baby will fit nicely in a dresser drawer for awhile. A crisis pregnancy agency can usually help you get a crib, too. We had three small rooms in a mobile home when our kids were growing up, and we had seven. The boys slept in the biggest room. There were five of them. They shared beds. The two girls had a double bed, and we had a double bed. Two of the boys shared a twin bed, and we had two of those, and then another mattress. You do what you have to do. These kids grew up responsible and hard working. They are very, very close, always there for each other. I have lost count of the number of different ways they shared a home to save money, including the married ones. Hardship can do that when you have loving parents. It isn't even good for a child to have too much.

As far as food is concerned, breastfeed your baby! It's inexpensive. You can probably get diapers.

Let the agency show you your child's picture. Meet your baby visually, and let your boyfriend meet your baby, too.

Here's a link to lists of crisis pregnancy agencies. www.pregnancycenters.org

PLEASE do this! You owe it to all of you to explore this option! Seriously.

A woman should never have to consider this decision. It robs her of her peace of mind and her joy. If you would commit yourself to protecting your baby, you would stop feeling all this stress. Clearly you don't want an abortion. You know what it does. A lot of women cannot live with themselves afterwards. An abortion can drive a huge wedge between you and God, because you won't be willing to accept His forgiveness. It doesn't guarantee you won't go to heaven, but it makes it much more difficult for most women to have that necessary relationship with God. You are not a good candidate for abortion, because you really don't want one. It could do terrible things to you emotionally and spiritually, and there are NO guarantees you won't suffer serious injury or even death. You know that your church teaches that having an abortion is a mortal sin. If you think you have depression now...! Please don't do it! There are other answers.

Let me tell you a little of my story. I had a serious, life-threatening medical problem. I was in the hospital. A man I didn't know came in and examined me. He said, "You have had a miscarriage, but there is still something in your uterus." He tried to talk me into letting him operate. I refused, but I was never so scared in all my life! A couple of days later, I found out I was still pregnant. This man would have done an abortion on me! After that, for months I had TERRIBLE nightmares of being chased by a man with a sharp knife, and a gang of rapists. I wouldn't wish that off on ANYONE. And women often have this kind of thing. That's why my heart goes out to women who have had an abortion. They can tear your baby out of your body, but they can never tear him or her out of your heart. You are already bonded, even though you don't feel movement yet (and you will soon).

You are a lot stronger than you think. Take one day at a time. Be sure and take your prenatal vitamins and get enough rest. It DOES help.

As for your boyfriend, try not to worry about him too much. He has plenty of stuff of his own to think about. He isn't going to see it from your perspective.

You have something vitally important to give your child, something no money can buy. You have your love and your protection.

We love all of you, and we will be here for you. Hang in there!

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Heather
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 01/ 7/08 8:15pm

Hi Stephanie,

Dear one I am so sorry, too, for the anxiety and turmoil that your circumstances and indecision have caused you.

If it's any consolation, your intense emotions are completely understandable and 'normal.' It's no surprise that it's a big deal when you have heart and instincts fighting against what can look like 'common sense.'

Would it help relieve you at all to consider that sometimes common sense has to flex with the bigger things in life? If you feel aversion to terminating the life growing inside you, you have every right to act on that, in good conscience and be proud of that choice. You may feel you have nothing to offer your little one, but as mothers we know that a baby really only cares about food, sleep, and love for the first stage of it's life.

If you have monetary/provision concerns, I can't emphasize enough my agreement with Pat to check out your local Pregnancy Resource Center. The exist with compassion to help you - pregnancy clothes, baby clothes, food and financial assistance programs, free compassionate counseling...some centers even offer free ultrasounds by appointment.

Other than that, Stephanie, I can only think to lovingly encourage you to make sure you get enough sleep. First trimesters are intense with the fatigue. If you need something peaceful and hopeful to consider, try googling images of 11 week old babies. There are some beautiful ones out there.

Regarding your religious questions, I think the best One to answer those is the God who created you and me and our little ones and knows us even better than we know ourselves.

I know it's hard to see during turbulent seasons, but there is hope! Even unplanned pregnancies God can, and often does make 'beauty from ashes.'

Hang in there, it won't be this hard forever.

"Weeping endures for the night, but joy comes in the morning." ~ Psalm 30:5

With Kindness,

Heather



Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.