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Date Posted: 09:10:15 04/29/02 Mon
Author: CC
Subject: LMAO,dd. I agree with you on a lot of things. As I said below, they say a lot of things that are far from the truth, because they know the average person believes them. I like Bush, too, because I know how well Texas fared under him. There was a huge improvement in healthcare, among other things. Candy, you are right that they both are rat finks, but I still find myself supporting many Republican views.
In reply to: dd 's message, "Okay I missed the below Liberal love fest since I was off line here.. rambling thoughts...It's late and no spell check so deal with it" on 00:07:56 04/29/02 Mon

>Oh I forgot all the dems send there kids to pivate
>school just ask the Gores, Clinton's and the Kennedy's
>to name a few.
>
>Oh and look all the good they did the last 8 years for
>the child and education in america. Kids still can
>not read and add.
>
>oh and the Village Voice now that is a no bias place
>hmmm Yea I just run right over there and read it.
>Just like Berkley saying not to bomb Afganistan...
>
>Oh yes and the poor...Hmmm All those dems in hollywood
>can not spare jet or car to give to the poor..20 mil a
>movie..No lets break the back of the middle class and
>make them dool out the money to assinine programs that
>do not work..Sorry I send my money to charities and
>programs I know that are credible and work.
>
>Oh and the dems do so much to make sure the poor are
>taken care of..Go to the projects..Folks they did not
>exist till welfare. Is it easier to collect a check
>or get a job.
>
>Wait lets scare the old folks no meds, no social
>security, no welfare no education For big business
>sound familiar.
>
>Gee headstart, They do not teach. they babysit It is
>a big recess.. Make it work for the kids teach them..
>
>Hmmm no tax cuts and education..I know there are
>teachers here...But what in the education are being
>cut..Look reading writing arithmatic computers,
>history...that are the important things. They worked
>when I went to school. Not all these classes on how
>to be politically correct. Wait I know the money is
>being spent on pork futures.
>
>Hey and now to energy...hmmm lets see...Iraq boycotts,
>Lybia may, Saudi's may, ..Damn no heat, no gas, Drill
>in the artic...hmmmmm Poor Karaboo, seen them snuggled
>up to the heat how horrible.. Look I am for better
>milage cars and different types of energy.
>
>Nuclear OH NO how dangerous Green peace against it
>Serra Club against it, Hmmm Oh I know water
>power..Hmmm Wait lets get rid of the damns they are
>huting the Salmon...wait air power..OH NO the owls can
>not let then put windmills here the owls...coal that
>is it no too dirty...gas that's it Gas is clean
>Nope gotta drill.
>
>So oil is out, Nuke is out, gas is out, hydro is out,
>wind is out, coal is out, hmmm maybe anti matter???
>
>Oh my god a faternity prank OH THE SHAME...let see
>half the american public should be in jail...
>
>Wait It is okay then to run from driving off a bridge
>and killing some one right? Oh be a booze runner and
>tied to Capone...Oh those are upstaning folks...Or
>being mobed up tried three times and finally getting
>convicted..wait I know taking kick backs...that's
>cool, destroying a pill factoy to destract a few
>folks..
>
>Hell I still want to be able to invest 1000 and get
>100,000 back in three days hmmm....
>
>As for GWB, I voted for him and would again right
>now..He is doing a good job..If the dems were in we
>would still be debating should we or shouldn't we..
>
>I do vote for the canidate..Hell I voted for Bill the
>first time till he destroyed some one who told the
>truth about him...gee that is just right.
>
>I rather a person go with his heart when trying to
>decide what is good for the country then go with what
>is good for him when deciding.
>
>Oh I forgot only people that are book smart can
>lead..right..morals and values have nothing to do with
>it..personal experience has nothing to do with it,
>only if you make no mistakes can you lead..Hell off
>with all there heads then,,,

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[> You think the Republicans are sending their kids to public school? hahahaha, I think not! And re: your energy ideas, better mileage cars, etc.....don't even try it, I know what you drive, LOL! Although how it runs with that stupid Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on the back I'll never know! -- ladyday, 09:41:35 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> Re: private school -- CC, 10:11:14 04/29/02 Mon

I think her point about private school is that Republicans want to give poor children the opportunity to attend, too. Straying from conventional party lines, I am not sure that is a good idea. Once public money goes into private schools, the government will start interfering with the private school programs, and screw it all up. Also, that puts a bunch of project thugs in private school, the very reason many parents to their kids to private school-to get away from the thugs. I went to a school where about 60% of students were poor. Most of them were also thugs who were not interested in learning. It is a stereotype, but I think it is often true. Many poorer families do not encourage their children in their education, because they themselves do not value education. That is why many are poor in the first place. That is something that cannot be fixed by the government. It really is all up to the parents how a child succeeds in education. If a parent encourages them and also works to educate them, the child will be more successful. If a parent does not care how their child does academically, he child will not care. Private school or more moeny for education will not fix that.


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[> [> [> Breaking the cycle requires that one have an educational system worth valuing. Poor inner city kids generally don't get that, nor did their parents before them. It sounds to me like you are blaming the victim and IMO it's all about opportunity. As in "the land of". But we know who has the real opportunities in this country. And it has nothing to do with one's party affiliation. It's called "show me the money". -- ladyday, 12:07:25 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Yeah! What ladyday said! -- Lafaux, 12:57:50 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Yes, yes, yes Ladyday! -- Tf, 14:58:44 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Well, if parents who care nothing about their children's education or success is blaming the victim, then you bet your ass that is what I am doing! The school I went to was no inner city school, nor was it poor. It got more funding than normal, because it had one of the best football teams in the state. The education was decent, and the school had plenty of resources. A lot of the kids just did not want to learn. -- CC, 20:00:04 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> Breaking the Cycle also requires more than just improved educational opportunities. What the hell good is a strong education if the only employment opportunities available are minimum wage or drug dealing? I faced that dilemma all the time at my old job: how to tell a kid "stay in school" when he could start running drugs at an early age, have prestige AND $$$. But I'm gonna tell him get that diploma or GED so you can work at Mickey D's? Yeah right! It's a HUGE picture that needs fixing, not just one small area. Supply and demand, cause and effect, which came first: the junkie or the pimp? -- ladyday, 20:44:19 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I am not quite sure I understand what your point is. What I was discussing was education, and why I think the voucher system is not realistic. If you are talking about after high school, grants and loans are available, and provide enough money to pay living expenses if you attend a junior college. Hell, I did it. I left home at 16, got my diploma through home-schooling, and worked part-time, borrowed money, and went through college. -- CC, 20:52:19 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I went to Thug Highschool too, CC. Left at 16 after taking the profiency test(CA). One thing I did have was a mother who was getting her teaching credential at the time. So I had an example of how important education was. Not everyone does. -- Tf, 09:56:54 04/30/02 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Tf, that is exactly my point. A lot of it depends on the parents. The government cannot force parents to be good parents. It is up to the parents, and that is why I do think so many kids do so poorly academically. The only other thing I can think for other people to help is the mentoring program. The voucher system will not work, unless those who useit really want to take advantage of it. -- CC, 11:22:51 04/30/02 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I put below why I don't think the voucher system will work. Agree on mentoring. A lot of kids are inspired by one good teacher or role model. My only point above was that not all parents are aware of how important education is. They've been to the same crappy schools their kids go to where no one seems to care. A lot of a child's world is where they live. They see the opportunities available in their world. -- Tf, 13:08:35 04/30/02 Tue


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[> [> [> CC, the reason I'm not for vouchers is different than yours...clk -- Tf, 15:26:10 04/29/02 Mon

>>I see the voucher system as a 'Let them eat cake' kind of deal. It looks good to the naked eye, but as Ladyday pointed out, money talks. If there isn't enough room for both voucher students and students with $$$$ parents, I don't see voucher students getting in. They'll be right back at the public schools, which will then have even less money.


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[> [> LOL. Not to worry, dd! Bush's energy policy doesn't call for increases in vehicle fuel efficiency. Instead, he wants the DOE to study the study on fuel efficiency being conducted by the National Academy of Sciences:) -- Tf, 14:38:12 04/29/02 Mon

>I think her point about private school is that
>Republicans want to give poor children the opportunity
>to attend, too. Straying from conventional party
>lines, I am not sure that is a good idea. Once public
>money goes into private schools, the government will
>start interfering with the private school programs,
>and screw it all up. Also, that puts a bunch of
>project thugs in private school, the very reason many
>parents to their kids to private school-to get away
>from the thugs. I went to a school where about 60% of
>students were poor. Most of them were also thugs who
>were not interested in learning. It is a stereotype,
>but I think it is often true. Many poorer families do
>not encourage their children in their education,
>because they themselves do not value education. That
>is why many are poor in the first place. That is
>something that cannot be fixed by the government. It
>really is all up to the parents how a child succeeds
>in education. If a parent encourages them and also
>works to educate them, the child will be more
>successful. If a parent does not care how their child
>does academically, he child will not care. Private
>school or more moeny for education will not fix that.


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