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Date Posted: 11:13:06 05/30/02 Thu
Author: Llanviewer
Subject: In Regard To RH's Contract.......(spoilerish spec)..

Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
And if I stay it will be double
So you gotta let me know
Should I stay or should I go? ..


So..... some of the recent rags are saying that GT reported to the press backstage at the emmys that RH's might be around longer than we think.

GT: As far as I know, Roger Howarth is going to be on the show for quite a while. So I don't know why everybody's so anxious to say that he is leaving? If the audience is watching, they are going to see him. If he leaves, it will be a sad day. But he's going to be here for a while.


My vote is that Roger's gone and this is typical GT "keep 'em guessing" (and tuned in!) doublespeak.

Anyone else have an opinion?

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[> Total Gary Doublespeak.....but beyond that I could care less. Buh Bye Rog. Thanks for fucking up Todd by "finding the humor" in a dead baby lie and a seriously ill baby. Much appreciated. -- ladyday, 12:32:59 05/30/02 Thu


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[> [> Well, now, ladyday! Roger didn't write the story. -- Lafaux, 01:06:26 05/31/02 Fri


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[> [> [> No he didn't . It was a gang bang by he and the writers and the EP. But he acted it in a way that leaves little room to doubt his intentions. Drooling on oneself to get out of jail.....not the Todd I know. He's a goof-ass, and RH had a heavy hand in making him that way. Just as he made Todd the dark creature we used to love, he also created The Goof -- ladyday, 05:18:42 05/31/02 Fri


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[> [> [> [> I agree LD...inside -- Candy, still wondering ho wmuch they had to pay RH to do "peculiar", 07:18:27 05/31/02 Fri

I think RH set out to emasculate/decimate HOT Todd during TnT with the no sex thing and all that squirrely DID crap, it didn't work, so this time he played Todd as a goofy imbecile...EEEEKKKK!! It worked, but in doing this RH bit off the hand(s) that fed him. I do believe they had to somewhat reform Todd because he's now the proud pops of two but they took it way to far, (that stupid doll for example) going so far off base that the once "great" Todd Manning is now less than ordinary and therein lies the tragedy of this Todd/RH mess of the last 6 years. Also MCO, the culprit(s) responsible for this crap should be shot, or at the very least, given pink slips and shown the door, this includes RH and his idiotic stance on how the character of Todd should be played. Me thinks the man needs to grow up before he falls through one of those big ass cracks, while out pounding the well worn pavement in search of that illusive stardom (like so many actors before him).....jmo, of course


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[> [> [> [> [> Okay! I do agree with the both of you, but I just wanted to say, he could not have done it without the writing and the go ahead from the head. IMO, they gave Roger far too much power long ago. If he's intent on destroying Todd, let him do it in somebody's story whom I don't care about, like Bratalie. :) -- Lafaux, 10:44:46 05/31/02 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> You just HAD to bring my girl into it, didn't you Lafaux! And you know what? That's another missed opportunity: they never did jack shit with the Jess/Natalie/Todd connection. -- ladyday, 12:42:46 05/31/02 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ladyday, I couldn't help it! It's something about that girl that makes me just want to rag on her. I know how Roxy feels. -- Lafaux, 14:54:44 05/31/02 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I agree LD -instead she's confined to the boring teen storylines. I also would have liked to see her interact with Asa more than that little bit we got to see when he returned. Total waste. -- Llanviewer, 22:50:37 05/31/02 Fri


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[> Llanviewer (click) -- Lafaux, 01:19:09 05/31/02 Fri

I don't think that RH is going anywhere for long. I think that manager of his (who,IMO, is a real IDIOT)overplayed his hand. Remember the reaction when he announced that Roger would leave so that he could check Hollywood out, yet again? Many people, including his most avid fans, said, "Let him go!" People are tired of being used. My thing is if he goes, he goes, but what's on the other side of going? Unemployment, and four mouths to feed.


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[> [> Lafaux... -- Llanviewer, 23:02:53 05/31/02 Fri

I agree with you about the manager being an idiot -I never could figure out what the big deal was about just handling it like a normal departure -now (if there is one?) and in the past.

Your point about timing is certainly food for thought. I never even thought of that. New baby, possible unemployment, most people wouldn't risk that.

Not only are the storylines becoming a little more dramatic but the offstage stuff is too. LOL


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[> LMAO, I love The Clash!!! I think it's Gary's way of keeping those of us who are about to hit the door hanging around... The thing is... (and I hope Gary has bought a clue about this one) -- OTWB, 07:05:53 05/31/02 Fri

Is that if he writes crap, for BLAIR, the one that a lot of us will be watching for when Todd's gone, we'll turn it off until Roger comes back. If he doesn't come back, GUESS what a lot of us will do?

That's right... Moxie won't do it for me, if Blair is back to hootchie slut. Icky/Nikki sure as hell won't do it for me. NatBrat (love her) isn't enough. Bo and Gabby are sweet, but are they THAT sweet? Nope, not really... None of it is sweet enough if I have to watch Blair the hootchie slut propping some hoser that I hate part DUH to watch the rest of it. B&Misery forced me to turn it off, even when DorLor was around.... I only turned it back on to say good bye... it had become background noise when Blair wasn't on, after that and OFF when she was.

So... whether Roger leaves or stays, comes back or not... isn't the quite issue for me, anyway. I learned a long time ago, that like it or not, Roger comes and goes.... Kassie stays, and fan that I am, I can't watch anymore Blair circa 1997 and beyond.

I think he's coming back, btw... will it be worth sitting through yet another house of pain like the last? I don't quite know...


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[> [> Liz, If Roger leaves and never comes back, it will be his loss. -- Lafaux, 14:11:50 05/31/02 Fri

I want to watch the entire show. I want to enjoy as much of it as possible. I don't want to just follow Blair's story, but I do want to see her in one intriguing storyline after another because if written well, she is so watchable. But for now, I love Roxie, love Ilene Kristen. I'm pleased with JDP's Max; I'm liking Gabrielle.


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[> [> [> If Roger leaves and doesn't come back.... -- OTWB, 22:56:48 05/31/02 Fri

and I get to see Blair in a DECENT story with a partner that doesn't TURN my stomach, or even better on her own for a while, then they got me as a fan. Otherwise...

My reasoning for leaving after Todd leaves is less about Todd and MORE about what happens to Blair. I love Roger, have no doubt, I enjoy the hell out of Todd, but I can't control his comings and goings. KASSIE is always THERE, and constantly watching her become someone ELSE'S story, podded, warped, dumbed down, twisted into something Blair ain't has happened one time too many for me. I didn't think much of this last incarnation of T&B, it had it's moments, but with one good thing, there were TEN bad things... I had hope of at least of things being resolved... so far, I've seen none of that, Todd and Blair was about everybody BUT Todd and Blair and time ran out.

TPTB would have us believe that once Todd is gone we can look forward to Sam and Blair? Nope, not thrilled at all! Roger can stay or leave... whatever... It's not about him come July or so... when/if he comes back, THEN I'll give Todd some thought.


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[> [> Lafaux, I wish I loved them "enough". I just don't. Sam and Blair are an assault on my senses, they have pretty much the same effect on me that B&misery did.... not good. I sat through a lot to watch Blair, to watch Dorian and yeah to watch Todd. I regret most of it, truth be told. That's just sad... I'm two inches from the door at this point. I watch from day to day, on bad days, or what I consider a bad day, i don't even bother with my tape. -- OTWB, 22:41:25 05/31/02 Fri

>Is that if he writes crap, for BLAIR, the one that a
>lot of us will be watching for when Todd's gone, we'll
>turn it off until Roger comes back. If he doesn't come
>back, GUESS what a lot of us will do?
>
>That's right... Moxie won't do it for me, if Blair is
>back to hootchie slut. Icky/Nikki sure as hell won't
>do it for me. NatBrat (love her) isn't enough. Bo
>and Gabby are sweet, but are they THAT sweet? Nope,
>not really... None of it is sweet enough if I have to
>watch Blair the hootchie slut propping some hoser that
>I hate part DUH to watch the rest of it. B&Misery
>forced me to turn it off, even when DorLor was
>around.... I only turned it back on to say good bye...
>it had become background noise when Blair wasn't on,
>after that and OFF when she was.
>
>So... whether Roger leaves or stays, comes back or
>not... isn't the quite issue for me, anyway. I
>learned a long time ago, that like it or not, Roger
>comes and goes.... Kassie stays, and fan that I am, I
>can't watch anymore Blair circa 1997 and beyond.
>
>I think he's coming back, btw... will it be worth
>sitting through yet another house of pain like the
>last? I don't quite know...


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[> [> [> I don't see Sam and Blair happening., and I don't see a B&M rematch, and I don't want Blair twittling her thumbs while Todd is off on an island, in a volcano, or on a desert. Let her move on. Roger just wants to play with himself when he's on screen, kinda autoerotic, if you ask me, so when he comes back, that's what he should do. Kassie can shine with any actor, let her. -- Lafaux, 00:26:23 06/01/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> You mean you don't need her to be kept eternally pure for Todd?????? SLAP! -- OTWB, 10:11:13 06/01/02 Sat

Only joking. I want a good story for her, with a love interest that doesn't make me wretch, if they MUST. Over at the Knoll, someone posted that LL posted on his official message board that Sam was going to be made scarce after this T&B story arc, until they figure out what to do with him. That pleased me, GOD KNOWS. I don't want LL out of a job, I just don't like him with Blair for a MULTITUDE of reasons. I don't see B&Misery happening again either, thankfully, I think Max has found his niche. People really are enjoying him with Roxie and that's WAY cool to me too. Even I enjoy him in that. I loved the interaction with him, Roxie and Gabby too. I think that JDP looks happy, and I think he's GREAT at comedy.

The thing is, I just want some good writing for Blair, with or without Todd. This time around she didn't even get it with TODD and that's just sad. Sick of belly chains, alley sex, catfights with seven year old. desperate, pathetic, needy Blair has never worked for me, and now... I can't STAND the thought of it, no matter how good the rest of Llanview is. I guess, I've finally hit my dealbreaker after ALL these years.

I don't really care one whit about TnT at this point. They could feed her junky ass to Jonah the WHALE, even Jaws (with movie music of course, her legs hanging out of his mouth, screeching, kicking) on screen and I'd giggle, then I'd wonder if it was worth it. They could have her and Todd find their passion and go off into the sunset... don't care! It's NOT on my screen and anytime the troll is NOT on my screen is cool with me. My favorite vision of the troll is on her way out the door, no matter how she gets there. Whatever Todd does, doesn't really matter to me either, cuz he's NOT gonna be on my screen for a while, either.

Blair WILL BE left in Llanview without her family, alone... except for two kids, that they're already using to prop whatever crap they have in mind. I'd hate to only watch on Non Blair days, which is what I did for a while. It was the only way I could watch without getting pissed. I just want good things for her, be it some new family, a man that I can fall in love with too, some old family, (anyone but Kelly, thank you) a career, some nice bonding with her kids... Sigh.


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[> [> [> [> [> HELL, no! I'm stumping for BLOSS! -- SkinTheKat - Soap Buff Uber Alles, 20:19:59 06/01/02 Sat

Sean is a purdy actor and I LOVED his work on ATWT. He is TOO Heavy a Hitter to go off into the sunset with TnT. I hope TPTB are SOUNDLY disappointed with the ratings that Tea Returns brought to the show. Not that I didn't ENJOY FL's performances THIS time, but this is what you get when you allow a COTERIE to co-write your storyboard.

I was AMBIVALENT and sidling toward the EXIT when RH came back in 2000 and JFP and McTrash decided to do us all a FAVOR by announcing that they were going to reprise T&B. But I have DEFINITELY jumped off the T&Banana Boat when I read that he was leaving....AGAIN, after doing a slow boil over Dippy the Goof and Peculiar Sex. Do I WANT a well-written T&B. Hell, yeah, but I realize that this just isn't POSSIBLE, because RH has this NASTY HABIT of leaving his Leading Ladies in the lurch! IF TMFIIC of ABCD are going to CONTINUE to allow RH his in and out and in and out ad nauseum, Then I want T&B busted up for GOOD. And I want Blair moved into a B&X pairing that doesn't make me cringe and that I can invest in. Let Blair be "the one that got away." Let Blair bet Todd's "Great Lost Love" and be DONE with it. Then let Todd chew up and spit out a new bimbo on a mission to help Todd "human up" with "true love" every two years. Then I, too, can kick back and be a Todd Firster.

Poor FL should bet a bonus bonanza for what I realize is her STELLAR stint during TnTripe Part Hunh. She did an EXCELLENT job of distracting ALL the Todd Fans that not ONLY is the Emperor NOT wearing any clothes, but he's got NO DICK. What a thankless job and muchas gracias to Ms. Lozano for taking one for the team.

As for Téa? It's a pity, but she is perpetually seen by her fans as only HALF of TnT rather than a DIVA in her own right. Even though the set up was initially there, not a single CWTOC went anywhere with it other than being Todd's woman, so it just isn't there NOW. I don't think she will be brought back. And it wouldn't surprise me if she's killed off.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Yeah! What Skin The Kat Said! Well MOST of what she said anyway! -- Lafaux, 20:43:35 06/01/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> "...and I don't want Blair twittling her thumbs while Todd is off on an island... Let her move on. Roger just wants to play with himself when he's on screen, kinda autoerotic, if you ask me, so when he comes back, that's what he should do.... -- Duke, 10:56:45 06/14/02 Fri

ROTFLMAO Poor Roger


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[> [> [> [> [> If he was doing THAT, I'd be glued to the screen. Yes, shameless and pathetic.... LOL, I do want Blair to have a good story, she most definitely deserves a GOOD story. If Todd is in ANOTHER story doing that autoerotic thing, then I'm THERE too! -- OTWB, 12:01:39 06/14/02 Fri

>ROTFLMAO Poor Roger


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Do you get your batteries wholesale? -- Lafaux, 12:47:56 06/14/02 Fri

Sorry! I couldn't resist!

RH has been doing that autoerotic thing for quite sometime, so your supply must be down.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Todd doing himself would be more fun to watch than... -- OTWB, 21:46:15 06/14/02 Fri

Chris and Jen
Kerri and Antonio
Rae and ANYBODY
Dr. Luv and his Goddess
Bender and Icky

LOL


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, now, I wasn't talking about Todd doing himself. But, I do have a question for you. If RH/Todd is all that, why have you stopped watching him be all that he can be? -- Lafaux, 06:24:02 06/15/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> (sheepish) Actually, I relented, couldn't stand the thought of having Todd on tape and not watching them... YES, I'm pathetic... I need a 12 step plan, no doubt. I'm glad I watched Friday. Will I watch Monday? Probably, but I reserve my right to take another two week break at any given moment. I usually tape, then make the call depending on my crap threshold. -- OTWB, 11:47:30 06/15/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Uh huh! -- Lafaux, 12:25:06 06/15/02 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Are you making fun of the OTWB, Lafaux? -- Tee-fan, 05:04:19 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Yeah, she is and I'm WOUNDED... sniff, sniff.... I'd whine but.... -- OTWB, 06:50:27 06/16/02 Sun

I'm too much of a BITCH to bother and well... it's not quite that hard to keep my sense of humor about it. This isn't the most comfortable place to be um... "Todd centric? and God knows, I wasn't always that, but well.. it's just how it is. I think I do have a special understanding of the other side of things, so I'll take it in the spirit in which it's given and drive on. There is certainly never going to be a chance at me breaking into the, "Blair's so mean to Todd," whine, that some do, so whatever... I don't really mind folks being mean to Todd, and if he's mean back, well... why wouldn't he be?

Lafaux, don't be mean to me, (snivel, snivel, snot, snot) I'm a Todd fan, Todd only, only Todd... He can pick his ASS and I'll watch, he's honoroable, he's noble... Not really, but.. truth be told, I would watch Todd pick his ass and NOT turn OLTL the hell OFF, as quickly as I would at the thought of watching Blair be hootchy mama for another three or four years. Call me weak, whatever, but no, I can't take it. So if that makes me a viewer who only watches for Todd, then so the hell be it.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> LOL! Glad you're not whining because we don't go for that shit here. As for the Todd thing, I'm just trying to get a handle on your stance. You would watch him pick his ass, but the issue for you is Blair being a hoochie mama? Is there a correlation here? -- Lafaux, 07:40:10 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> BTW - OTWB, I know that you are not going to allow a TWIT to influence our discussion/debate. -- Lafaux, 08:18:01 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't know, she's pretty damned lame, even for a twit, but well, the discussion is interesting. So take the good stuff, throw away the BS and drive on, I always say. -- OTWB, 08:34:27 06/16/02 Sun

>Forgive me for I have sinned against all that's
>Todder, all that's Malone... I LIKE the GOOF, much
>MORE than I liked "Suicide, hostage taking, Todd".
>It's true. I can laugh, I can giggle, I can be pissed
>at him... I can even throw a shoe at him, but NOPE, I
>don't feel like I'm kicking some harmless, sniveling,
>misunderstood WIDDLE boy, this time around. If Todd
>Manning wants to be a punk, then fine.. he's owning it
>and at least he's not wearing paper towel rolls and
>acting like some paranoid on CRACK. I expect that's
>all gonna change with this Dingo Island CRAP, but
>well.. like I always say, "thank God, he's doing it to
>the troll." In that regard, I'll watch and I might
>not even mind. Nothing to be done about it anyway,
>and he's leaving, whether I think he's coming back
>really doesn't matter at this point anyway.
>
>As far as Blair goes? Blair is going nowhere, she is
>right there in Llanview. I LOATHED B&Misery to the
>point that I DID turn it off, and you of all people,
>Lafaux, KNOW that's true. Sam and Blair got a warm
>spot in my heart for about... thirty SECONDS, then it
>started to make me SO sick, that in my darkest moment
>(this is very dark) I was starting to think that maybe
>MAX was the better choice.... (shiver) The SAD thing
>about the last few years for Blair is that MAX (UGH),
>SAM (UGH), or Todd (love it, damn me, just makes me
>sad now) have been her ONLY alternatives.
>
>Sick of hootchy Blair, sick of ineffectual Blair, sick
>of watching her be degraded to prop more morons that
>insult my intelligence to the point where TURNING IT
>THE HELL OFF is the only option, if I choose to watch
>it after or during my lunch. I don't take Todd quite
>as seriously, maybe, I don't know, but it hurts my
>heart to watch Hootchy Blair WAY TOO much to watch the
>rest of it.
>
>BTW, I ADORED Blair on Friday, she made my Blair heart
>soar! Where's a high window when ya need one?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> That's it.... (elaboration, you knew I would!) -- OTWB, 08:30:58 06/16/02 Sun

Forgive me for I have sinned against all that's Todder, all that's Malone... I LIKE the GOOF, much MORE than I liked "Suicide, hostage taking, Todd". It's true. I can laugh, I can giggle, I can be pissed at him... I can even throw a shoe at him, but NOPE, I don't feel like I'm kicking some harmless, sniveling, misunderstood WIDDLE boy, this time around. If Todd Manning wants to be a punk, then fine.. he's owning it and at least he's not wearing paper towel rolls and acting like some paranoid on CRACK. I expect that's all gonna change with this Dingo Island CRAP, but well.. like I always say, "thank God, he's doing it to the troll." In that regard, I'll watch and I might not even mind. Nothing to be done about it anyway, and he's leaving, whether I think he's coming back really doesn't matter at this point anyway.

As far as Blair goes? Blair is going nowhere, she is right there in Llanview. I LOATHED B&Misery to the point that I DID turn it off, and you of all people, Lafaux, KNOW that's true. Sam and Blair got a warm spot in my heart for about... thirty SECONDS, then it started to make me SO sick, that in my darkest moment (this is very dark) I was starting to think that maybe MAX was the better choice.... (shiver) The SAD thing about the last few years for Blair is that MAX (UGH), SAM (UGH), or Todd (love it, damn me, just makes me sad now) have been her ONLY alternatives.

Sick of hootchy Blair, sick of ineffectual Blair, sick of watching her be degraded to prop more morons that insult my intelligence to the point where TURNING IT THE HELL OFF is the only option, if I choose to watch it after or during my lunch. I don't take Todd quite as seriously, maybe, I don't know, but it hurts my heart to watch Hootchy Blair WAY TOO much to watch the rest of it.

BTW, I ADORED Blair on Friday, she made my Blair heart soar! Where's a high window when ya need one?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> (elaboration, you knew I would!) DAMN RIGHT I DID! -- Lafaux, 08:51:51 06/16/02 Sun

You, not elaborate? Come on! As far as I know, hell hasn't frozen over yet.

Okay! I get that you like goofy Todd. I have no problem with that. I guess that's the point of this debate. You like him; I abhor the goof. I don't like him because it is so very anit-Toddian. The other reason I don't like him is that my girl, deserves a MAN! She deserves a man who is not afraid to touch her, a man who can comfort her, and a man who can have compassion for her. Goofy is not that man. He's just a goofy boy.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I'm not sure that I disagree with you, Lafaux! I don't think that the writing of Blair SHOULD be always within regard to where Todd is or where he's not. They are two separate issues to me, which is MY point. -- OTWB, 10:04:13 06/16/02 Sun

>You, not elaborate? Come on! As far as I know, hell
>hasn't frozen over yet.
>
>Okay! I get that you like goofy Todd. I have no
>problem with that. I guess that's the point of this
>debate. You like him; I abhor the goof. I don't like
>him because it is so very anit-Toddian. The other
>reason I don't like him is that my girl, deserves a
>MAN! She deserves a man who is not afraid to touch
>her, a man who can comfort her, and a man who can have
>compassion for her. Goofy is not that man. He's just a
>goofy boy.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Okay! So, now we get to your point. (I think!) -- Lafaux, 10:17:52 06/16/02 Sun



You like goofy Todd. (Got that!)

You don't like hoochie mama Blair. (Got that!)

You can watch goofy Todd, and you will stop watching the show when he leaves. (Got that!)

But what I don't get is where you kinda (blur) Blair's story into your decision to stop watching the show. From what I understand, when you heard that Roger was leaving the show, you made up your mind to stop watching OLTL.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well.... Call it a lack of faith, Lafaux.... -- OTWB, 11:23:37 06/16/02 Sun

I hate how they use Blair, Todd and Blair keep me watching, Blair on her own... MOST definitely, but only if she gets a good story. The only reason I'm sticking around for this incarnation of TRIPE, is because I think it might be fun to watch Todd torture the troll. If he stops torturing her and it turns into Mama Sneerest and her misunderstood widdle boy, I might not even last that long, so far, it remains to be seen. You know what the best part of Tripe this time around is? It's blessedly SHORT. BTW, Todd picking his ass is also MUCH preferable to Mama Sneerest's good widdle boy!

Anyway, I'll watch for a while, check out the direction, if I'm cringing then I'm going to turn it off. Kassie is a great actress, I love Blair a LOT, but damned if I bring myself to sit through another three or four years, HOPING like hell for a good Blair story this time around, because I'm basically apathetic about the rest of it anyway. It's just not worth it to me. Damn shame, that I've become that one note, but I am, and I own it.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> IC! I think! Either you're not going to leave the show if Blair is written well or you're leaving when Todd leaves because staying around to watch a poorly written Blair isn't worth it. -- Lafaux, 15:12:33 06/16/02 Sun

But OTOH, if RH stays, and picks his ass, and Blair is poorly written, you will stick around.

I'm going to stop! This has been fun!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Beats the hell out of NO Todd picking his ass and a poorly written Blair. It seems that these days a poorly written Blair is pretty much a GIVEN, sad but true. -- OTWB, 15:20:27 06/16/02 Sun

>But OTOH, if RH stays, and picks his ass, and Blair is
>poorly written, you will stick around.
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>I'm going to stop! This has been fun!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, I go back to my original premise. If Roger leaves, "Bye-bye!" "So long!" "See ya!" The show will go on without him, and I won't miss him as much as I did when he left in '95 or even when he left in '98 because this Todd was a bust. -- Lafaux, 15:28:34 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Per Goof, Lafaux.... -- OTWB, 10:57:20 06/16/02 Sun

Not the biggest goof fan on the planet, just one who thinks that's who Todd became during tripe, and I've yet to see any reason for him to change. TPTB have given him no consequences or any reasons to change it, Goof has been damned effective, you gotta admit. Up until he got busted, by Blair, Goof was doing his job. Yeah, it sucked that they had to turn Blair into a wimpy ass Donna Reed type... (I do have some BIG problems with THAT, incidentally) but in regards to the fictional reality of Todd, he's done a decent job of keeping Todd out of jail, on the loose and his family close to him, or somewhat close to him. Seems to me that Todd is quite good at settling for half ass. I'm not, but well... that really doesn't change Todd's POV whether I like it or not.

Booby Boy/Goof has been around a LOT of years, he's not just a Gary thing, after all, so NO, I don't blame Gary for da Goof. Do I blame Roger? NOPE, I blame the writers for not creative way OUT of it. Maybe this Dingo Island thing is it, I'm willing to bear it, if it is. Regardless of agenda, good storytelling is good storytelling. I've been saying it for a lot of years.... I will say that it is a DAMNED SHAME that at ABC Daytime who are too POLITICALLY CORRECT and UNIMAGINATIVE to write a viable villain who has more than ONE NOTE, if he's bad, then he must be humiliated and dragged to the lowest possible point and left there to ROT. If he's good, turn him into Superman and ram him up EVERYONE'S ass, then wristslap the folks who don't see the point. As if I am so stupid, that I have to be beaten over the head with a fricking stick?

It's insulting, plain and simple. I find Goof/Booby Boy less insulting this time around, because... I have seen enough of REAL Todd to know he exists. Oddly enough, I've always found that at the end of Todd's stories, I usually can look at the big picture and make some sense out of it, at least in my own mind. Call it spin, call it rationalization... whatever. If I don't get something that makes sense at the end, then I'll be proud to say so, feel used, angry and BITCH my fool head off, but well... until then, I'm waiting it out.

If they give me a nice Blair story, I'll stick around AFTER I bitch my fool head off, if they don't, well I'm out of there, cuz I'm not into SHIT for NOUGHT.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> A goof is a goof. A once profound character who becomes a goof is an even bigger GOOF. -- Lafaux, 15:32:36 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> A character with a rich history, two children, portrayed by an VERY talented actress, but only used as a hootchy sex kitten is a waste of time. But still, I've watched it for a lot of years, in spite of it IN HOPE, that it would change... it's finally not worth it to me. So call me a bad Blair fan, or disloyal... I've had enough, it disgusts me, and I'll either find OTHER reasons to watch and FF'd through that crap, or I'll just turn it off. -- OTWB, 20:02:08 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> OTWB, I'm just trying to find out ONE thing. Are you doing as you said you were when you found out that Roger was leaving the show. Are you leaving also? I'm not calling you a good Blair fan or a bad one, don't care if you are even a Blair fan at all. -- Lafaux, 20:11:04 06/16/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Most likely, TMFIC have yet to show me a reason to stick around. -- OTWB, 13:29:03 06/17/02 Mon


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[> Gotta throw my hat into the ring....RH as goof I sorta saw but I understood the stretch....not thrilled but understood -- A7, 00:33:46 06/15/02 Sat

Todd is an evolving being. I brought this up once before...we had the first TRUE ACTIVE sociopath....He didn't understand....so we had the Manning Frat BOy Horror, than almost raping Marty part two /w/scar....then stalking Nora
blind and then the gig was up really. Lo and behold, ratings
and a star, however ridiculous was born. Where do you go with this? A reluctant, freaked out star at frist thrilled than repelled by some twit reactions to his rape persona. OK

Then, Lord Missing Manning Found....and the slight reedemption and the further continuance of his tale. He gets it all complete with a less than perfect mate, a fellow Pariah of the town...brilliant...and OMG REAL chemistry with
these two....OH YEAH. Backstage crap, complex and too much to get into and then RH decides, better to cut and run......
Baby arrives....lousy writings, and the Patrick Poet disaster which I abhorred but it was good soap and allowed for Todd to rage and seeth black and nasty......and then trolls took over the Enterprise.....further curled and fetid troll,,,and Todd became almost too much the dark prince.....


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[> MY $.02 Worth And That's ALL It's Worth...INSIDE! -- SkinTheKat - Soap Buff Uber Alles, 10:01:50 06/16/02 Sun

One of the jobs I used to have was to take non-emergency police reports over the phone. NEEDLESS to say, the emergency unit used to send us ALL their EDPs (Emotionally Disturbed Person)s. If anyone has EVER talked to an EDP, there are NO RED FLAGS. You can have a perfectly NORMAL conversation and be going along with them when suddenly you ROUND the corner and you're in the TWILIGHT ZONE. For example, I took a Narcotics Activity report which sounded on the LEVEL until Ms. EDP said, "They communicate with each other by MUSIC, you know." And this AFTER I had given her every POSSIBLE Narcotics Enforcement Number I could find.

Now you may be asking yourselves where I am GOING with this in this thread? And I'm HEADED there.

Like MANY T&Bers on this board, I was appalled at DIPPY THE GOOF, "Peculiar Sex" that was "Blink and You'd Miss It" IMPLIED. I was also unhappy at IN THE DARK Donna Reed Blair. It didn't HELP to watch the pissing and moaning of the twitty about Goofus and them GLEEFULLY assign this crap to Todd being put back with Blair, so that they could then set up MANTRAS and clamor for the Snot Hag to return so that she could EXORCiSE Goofus out of Todd's body and "REAL Todd" would be back.

But their ARGUMENTS were persuasive...just like when you're talking to EDPs and they seem so NORMAL and RATIONAL. And... as long as you overlook their VICIOUS underlying RESENTMENT that "Peculiar" was IMPLIED at ALL with Blair and NOT the troll. Hence, the Pet Dingo remarks and the fervent hope that Jack turns out to be MaxHole's, after all. They would KILL for GOOFUS to imply "Peculiar Sex" with DelSnotto! For ALL their gushing and vomiting up TnT montages at Mentally Deficient and the Dingleberry, they are STILL pissed as hell at ROGER HOWARTH and a LOT of leakage has found its way on MANY T&B boards.

We T&Bers are pissed because we didn't get 1995 T&B, but how GRAPHIC were they back then? The ONLY semi-graphic scene we got was STABLE SEX and THAT was because RH was already on his way OUT. No more negotating. Other than that, We STILL had the SAME implied scenes. The difference was that we had a COMPETENT team who knew how to build up the UST in such an ADULT way and in such a CLIMACTIC way that by the time "Fade To Black" came in, the audience was ALREADY in ORGASM.

Is RH an ASS who has a NASTY habit of leaving his leading ladies AND his storyline twisting in the wind?! I think so. But IMNSHO, it is just plain TWITTY to blame the whole thing on some Soap Diva and NOT Total MISMANAGEMENT by ALLOWING the RH FACTOR and their ability to find one CWTOC after ANOTHER who cannot write AROUND it by implying ADULT and not PECULIAR Fades to Black no matter WHO the leading lady is.

I have expressed MY opinion that I could live with a competent recast, but has OLTL proved it can do ANYTHING competently? The only thing OLTL impresses me with is their unerring ability to screw up a wet dream and piss on/off every fanbase they have.

We are ALL dealing with the RH Factor in our OWN ways. And pretty much ripping on EACH OTHER for the way we choose to do it. And HAVE been since the LABINES really fucked it up by setting off the Téa vs. Blair wars. NO one can put the RH Factor to which lady he is with. We can put it to the time that RH came back in 1996 with "Certain Restrictions" in place and MANAGEMENT was STUPID enough to let him do it WITHOUT a plan to write AROUND it.

The point is that we shouldn't HAVE to each deal with the RH Factor in our own way. NO one should be a complete TnTer OR complete T&Ber OR a Todd Firster OR a Blair Firster. The onus of responsibility should NOT be on OURSELVES to deal with it; it belongs to MANAGEMENT and the Creative Writing Team that needs to put up the Crack Pipe and have a PALATABLE plan for us viewrs in place to implement HOWEVER Management decides to DEAL with the RH Factor.

If it walks, talks, looks, and sounds like a SUIT, chances are...IT'S A SUIT.

Sincerely, STK who comes from a long proud line of UNION members!


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