So, Cabbie, putting a smiley emoticon next to a sentence calling someone a moron is somehow BETTER than my telling you that you couldn't speak intelligently on the actor bashing thing??? Talk about a double standard. And, in reply to your question about WHY TnTers would want them together, why does TnT want to get together after the Knuckle Kiss when they've been saying for MONTHS that Blair should kick Todd out on his @ss for the DBL. Certainly, the motivations for the two were COMPLETELY different--one represented pure hatred...which one? -- Let it ALL Hang Out

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Date Posted: 09:39:12 05/18/02 Sat
Author: Philosopher
Subject: So, Cabbie, putting a smiley emoticon next to a sentence calling someone a moron is somehow BETTER than my telling you that you couldn't speak intelligently on the actor bashing thing??? Talk about a double standard. And, in reply to your question about WHY TnTers would want them together, why does TnT want to get together after the Knuckle Kiss when they've been saying for MONTHS that Blair should kick Todd out on his @ss for the DBL. Certainly, the motivations for the two were COMPLETELY different--one represented pure hatred...which one?
In reply to: Cabbie 's message, "You do need to get out more!!" on 09:13:43 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> And if you say the DBL somehow represented MORE hatred than the Knuckle Kiss, well, I'd have to disagree. Todd put forth the DBL because he is STOOPID--he wanted Blair & family so bad & yet hated Max's spawn so much that this was the only way out for him (for HIM--STOOPID Todd--i.e., we're not talking rationality here). The Knuckle Kiss, OTOH, well, it was violence for the sake of violence, pure hatred condensed into a single punch. How can it be any other way? And TnTers still want Todd back with Tea??? Absurd. You know, abusers are NEVER cured. You want THAT for your Tea??? Absurd. -- Philosopher, 09:48:42 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> And you want it for YOUR Blair? -- Cabbie, 09:59:20 05/18/02 Sat

Todd did not do the DBL because he loved Blair so much. My GOSH, that's what I'm talking about - people tout it as proof of love.

It was hateful ... he did it to get back at Blair because she twisted the knife in his gut for months on end for no damn good reason other than as a love test (that WAS the peak of the lie - NOT because Todd would steal her baby). She rubbed it in his face for months, every chance she got ... the man told that woman to her face, "I wish it was mine." He wanted the "package" ... and STILL she kept the truth from him.

Only when the baby was dead did she decide to tell him the truth - and WOW ... lo and behold ... does he come running with the baby to save the day? Nope ... he comes running and lies to her to keep her in mourning.

Whatever Phil - NO, I'm not saying the punch was worse or better ... I'm saying that despite the hate, B/ters still cry on those Manning Church Steps - waiting with bated breath for the next Mass, "The Forgiveness".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I seriously doubt that anybody that I run with will be bitching when Blair kicks his ass. There will be bitching, but I don't see it from those "Blairian" T&B'ers, as you like to refer to US. WTF ever.... be happy. I heard that TnT III was gonna be! You won't see me whining about it. -- OTWB, 11:28:16 05/18/02 Sat

>Todd did not do the DBL because he loved Blair so
>much. My GOSH, that's what I'm talking about - people
>tout it as proof of love.
>
>It was hateful ... he did it to get back at Blair
>because she twisted the knife in his gut for months on
>end for no damn good reason other than as a love test
>(that WAS the peak of the lie - NOT because Todd would
>steal her baby). She rubbed it in his face for
>months, every chance she got ... the man told that
>woman to her face, "I wish it was mine." He wanted
>the "package" ... and STILL she kept the truth from
>him.
>
>Only when the baby was dead did she decide to tell him
>the truth - and WOW ... lo and behold ... does he come
>running with the baby to save the day? Nope ... he
>comes running and lies to her to keep her in mourning.
>
>Whatever Phil - NO, I'm not saying the punch was worse
>or better ... I'm saying that despite the hate, B/ters
>still cry on those Manning Church Steps - waiting with
>bated breath for the next Mass, "The Forgiveness".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> How can TnT3 "be" when Todd will be too busy sacrificing himself on the B/t Altar? You know, in preparation for B/t # following the Mass of Forgiveness? -- Cabbie, 11:45:00 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You know, Cabbie when people are discussing two different opinions on one subject you're supposed to at least allow the opposing team the respect to write their own spins on things as opposed to turning it into something absurd and stupid enough for you to handle debating. Even I couldn't go that low, but hey, I didn't go to law school so WTF do I know? -- OTWB, 12:17:57 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> SIGH ... that was a JOKE. You made a jokie comment and just turned the joke around. -- Cabbie, 13:08:15 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Darn, I'm a little slow on the uptake Cabbie. You know you have to dumb it down a bit, I'm just one of the ever so shallow fans who don't get the more subtle repart�. Apologies... I'm rolling now, you are such a wit!!! WTF was I thinking? -- OTWB, 14:13:49 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I try SOOOOO hard to dumb it down ... but I always fail ... so sorry!! -- Cabbie, 15:54:36 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, I'll try if you try, Cabbie. -- OTWB, 16:30:42 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Deal ;) Can we sing Kumbayah now? I honestly am SO much happier when we all just get along ... damn it! -- Cabbie, 16:41:16 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sure, take my hand.... -- OTWB (giggling while she hides that little palm shocker thingie she got at the magic store.), 18:02:55 05/18/02 Sat

Hell no, I ain't classy but I do know how to have a good time.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Phil ... the DBL was full of hatred. The punch was hateful, too. Certainly you're not trying to distinguish the cruelty, are you? -- Cabbie, 09:51:30 05/18/02 Sat

No double standard - moron was meant tongue in cheek. If someone wants to throw that word around, I'll throw it around, too.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh yes I am. I think the KK (AND the NUMEROUS other physically abuses Todd did to Tea) are FAR worse than the DBL. Physical abuse is far more dangerous (and representative of much more hatred) than pure psychological abuse. And I don't even think that the DBL was intended as abuse per se. Like I said, DBL was STOOPID Todd looking for a way to keep his family intact without having to parent the spawn of Max. He was NOT intent on abusing Blair in giving that baby away. He was STOOPID and needy, but in his odd way he did it because he LOVED & WANTED Blair. Same can't be said about the KK. -- Philosopher, 09:58:38 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> If you believe in your heart that the DBL was 'better' than what Todd did to Tea ... there is NO point in any further discussion. -- Cabbie, 10:01:00 05/18/02 Sat

We'll only end up calling each other names :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> HOLY SH*T!!!!! You're kidding, right??? And some people said you didn't have a sense of HUMOR. -- Cabbie, 10:05:43 05/18/02 Sat

GOOF!!!!!! That's all I got to say on the matter.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No, I'm dead serious. Many may not agree with me, but I have SCIENCE behind what I say. -- Philosopher, 10:08:05 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh this one I have to hear .... please, oh PLEASE tell me how B/t has science backing it ... LOL!! -- Cabbie Impressed with Phil the Comic, 10:09:57 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Honestly I would (and will later on...), but I have to take kiddies to soccer. So bye for now (not a copout, really...I'll be back, you know I will....) -- Philosopher, 10:13:00 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Phil has a wonderful sense of humor, it's best proven by this conversation that she's having with you. Sorry you had to leave, I'm bummed! MORE, Cabbie, MORE! -- OTWB, 14:09:43 05/18/02 Sat

>GOOF!!!!!! That's all I got to say on the matter.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You're absolutely right!! I knew you were a smart cookie ;) P.S. I'm never leaving .... yippee!! -- Cabbie, 15:50:40 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> There goes that old TnT *High Horse* kicking in. Well, if DBL is JUST AS BAD as KK, etc., then WHY OH WHY is the TnT fanbase so ardently awaiting TnT3????? They should be praying for Todd to die with a stake through his evil evil heart. -- Philosopher, 10:06:01 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> For the same (@*#&*($& reason the B/ters are dying for the Messiah Manning Mass of Forgiveness!! Jeez, Phil!!! -- Cabbie, 10:08:36 05/18/02 Sat

There is NO difference here between the fanbases!! Get off YOUR high horse!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh Cabbie, Please! You all yelled and screeched with disgust about Todd ever since he came back and sloughed off the existence of the troll. How many times have I seen, "I WOULDN'T HAVE THIS TODD FOR OUR GIRL"! Well, you're dying to get Todd for your girl anyway you can. Problem is, he doesn't want your girl! -- Lafaux, 11:08:26 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Lafaux ... -- Cabbie, 11:32:43 05/18/02 Sat

I don't think you're a moron. So I apologize if you're offended by what I wrote (I told you NOT to be one ... not that you WERE one). I was speaking tongue in cheek and was still under the influence of Candy's post where she was referring to some group of people looking like morons.

Anyways ... I'm sort of done here ... I see all the same arguments going back and forth and my opinion is as firmly in place as when I started. NOBODY is in a position to claim some kind of superiority based on the stupid-ass storyline they've been given and based on THEIR interpretation of it. And they definitely cannot claim superiority because "we didn't act like THEY did."

All's well ... carry on :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't give a damn who's "morally superior" If I wanted to be "morally superior", then I'd probably find something more worthy to do with my time then yammer about some damn soap opera! Different strokes for different folks, I guess. -- OTWB, 12:29:15 05/18/02 Sat

>I don't think you're a moron. So I apologize if
>you're offended by what I wrote (I told you NOT to be
>one ... not that you WERE one). I was speaking tongue
>in cheek and was still under the influence of Candy's
>post where she was referring to some group of people
>looking like morons.
>
>Anyways ... I'm sort of done here ... I see all the
>same arguments going back and forth and my opinion is
>as firmly in place as when I started. NOBODY is in a
>position to claim some kind of superiority based on
>the stupid-ass storyline they've been given and based
>on THEIR interpretation of it. And they definitely
>cannot claim superiority because "we didn't act like
>THEY did."
>
>All's well ... carry on :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> IA Cabbie... -- Lou, 10:07:02 05/18/02 Sat

It is pointless. When you cut through the bull all Phil just said is that Todd gave the kid away because he LOVED Blair.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Exactly, Lou. -- Cabbie, 10:12:12 05/18/02 Sat

And we're all only going to end up calling each other names.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Borsht circuit routine...Cabbie crys and Lou blows...No need for names, you all know your names too well,Phil wasn't mired in BULL. Todd gave the baby away because it wasn't his. He is a conceited sociopath that we find at all palatable because of the attractive face and unbelievable talent of RH. -- A7, 21:47:41 05/19/02 Sun

Todd regressed with Tehag.....they did not communicate on any level....He tried to find ways to manipulate her, to keep her quiet, keep her IN on the fraud.....did not want to open to her as a partner,,,,,,she flitted from person to person. He found it difficult at all.....Early Todd did and said all the "right" things to GET the girl.... A jock mentality married to repressed anger eventually blew. His early convo with Zach in the cafeteria showed that. With Blair it was the first time he actually LIKED, then LOVED someone who he slept with. With hag, he wnet back to this neanderthal man behaviour....He actually smacked and punched and abused her.
This was very bad.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Matter of fact, when one takes the entire TnT relationship, it is essentially one physical/psychological abuse piled onto the other. Remember the coffin wedding? Remember Rrrrrraaawwwdd? Remember Tommy??? Have you seen any of those bizarre behaviors with T&B???? Nooooooo, because Todd isn't ABUSING Blair. BTW, I'm NOT exculpating Todd for DBL--I'm just saying the MOTIVATIONS were far different. -- Philosopher, 10:03:59 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Yeah, they were very different, but well... that doesn't quite work for this argument, so they choose to ignore it. WTF ever.... he punched her out, cuz she screeched that he'd raped her. I guess she meant it in "metaphorical" terms... unfortunately, Todd didn't speak "metaphorical" and punched her out to shut her up. Who could blame him? I 'd been wanting to punch her out for months, anything for a little peace and quiet!!! He felt bad afterwards though and once TeUGH decided it was "Pete" that did it, then it was all okay. WTF ever... -- OTWB, 11:17:49 05/18/02 Sat

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