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Date Posted: 05:32:03 05/01/06 Mon
Author: earth tone son
Subject: Re: free will or predetermination?
In reply to: Dee - the real Deel 's message, "Re: free will or predetermination?" on 18:22:06 04/24/06 Mon

>>oftentimes you hear that a persons actions are borne
>>of their free will; would that then perpetually refute
>>the equally often spoken notion that God knows your
>>actions before you do? if this contradiction in states
>>of cause and effect exists, how do we know what is
>>divine or of the will of the flesh?
>
>very good questions earth tone son
>btw i am glad you have stuck around regardless of the
>assinine, ignorant, wayward remarks that have plagued
>this forum
>i look forward to sharing more on these subjects and
>not the obtuse, backward thinking and base level
>existence that seems to entrance certain people and
>turn them into animals
>but that seems the reason why we are here discussing
>this now which would lend credence to the free will
>and predetermined theories
>
>i believe there'd be more than one angle on these
>beliefs
>for one, an agnostic who by nature neither denies or
>accepts a typified religious monotheistic diety
> would perhaps believe that fate or destiny plays a
>role
>or that everything is based on individual perception
>and that individual could interpret "signs" whichever
>way they saw fit
>
>two a person of faith would likely believe that for
>starters, and i quote, with the assumption that God
>exists outside of our universe; not contained with the
>constraints of our humanly spacetime; then define
>something predetermined as events that are directly
>caused by God's interaction with spacetime
> miracles could be considered predetermined events,
>with God's greater ability to do such works conveyed
>by being capable of working on all 11 dimensions (that
>humans are, so far, only aware of imo)
>if this were the case at any rate you would still have
>unexplained phenomenon or the existance of the
>paranormal which the bible or most religious texts
>offer in abundance and would rule out any scientific
>explanations for deviances from "normal" perceptions
>
> to test whether the idea is feasible we'd first need
>to discover a way to run tests on the natural
>properties making up the dimension of time and
>spacetime and see how it interacts with the spiritual
>realm where God resides
>
>this is where the line becomes divided between the
>previous viewpoints of faith and agnosticism by atheism
>however there is a new movement of scientifically
>minded people who are neither classified as agnostic,
>atheist nor religious pursuers who define all of the
>above as the material realm or matter coexisting in
>harmony with the immaterial, the spiritual or
>anti-matter
>the atoms, and molecular structures of everything we
>perceive plus what we don't perceive IS all actually
>interrelated with its creator and is meant to be the
>great mystery we are meant to discover and "evolve" in
>understanding of it's inner workings
>i feel for one i fit into this latter category
>so my opinions will reflect that
>
>i'll go more into detail on my opinions if you are
>interested
>but it's only fair to give you a chance to share what
>you think, so what do you think?
>
>c ya later! :)
>
>-Dee

sorry it's been a while; i haven't had the opportunity to think this deep in a long time (especially in here). you have covered so many layers of my original question that i am at a loss now to engage in a balanced conversational mode. not a very religious person myself, i think that spiritually adept is more to my liking. many of your views reflect my own, yet i am curious as to why human beings are so divided between the negative and positive aspects of the spirit. negativity always harbors a lingering, consuming, shadow that seems to settle the spirit into a state of perpetual death. it constantly causes the person to define and redefine the limits of the physical until there is no remembrance of the spiritual; then, seeing now nothing but the will of the flesh, it is no wonder how hate can conquer the souls of so many of our fellow travelers on this earth

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