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Date Posted: 10:39:58 06/12/99 Sat
Author: Kevin
Subject: Re: Time CHECK
In reply to: daniel 's message, "Re: Time CHECK" on 19:39:54 06/11/99 Fri

>
> I did not predetermine if C-14 would date the shroud
> to be 2000yrs old or 500yrs old, but I have heard both
> claims. So what should I believe?
>

Does the Bible mention a shroud? I seem to recall the burial practices of the time included strips of cloth wrapped around the body and a face cloth. Believe what you want. The Bible seems to discredit the shroud.


>
> OK, I am corrected apparently by C-14, but other
> isotopes are not so friendly.
>

But not unfriendly to the extent you need them to be to substantiate a young earth claim. I wish they were.

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>
> To destroy the entire human race, except for the ones
> safely protected in the ark. OEC fails to deal with
> the likelyhood that man would evade a local flood
> (survival of the fittest).
>

All is a pretty big word ;^P (did I get the inflection right?)

Ever ask yourself where the pitch came from the ark was coated with? Ever ask yourself why olives were growing on top of Mt. Ararat? (They don't grow in higher elevations by the way) Ever ask yourself how all those animals fit in the ark? (limiting the animals to cat kind etc. allows for far more evolution than even naturalists demand) Ever ask yourself how all the animals got to Noah in the first place? (polar bears, kangaroos, penguins, South American sloth, etc. etc.) Ever ask yourself if it is physically possible to build a wooden boat that big, that is still sea worthy? (The biggest known was 300+ feet and it leaked like a seive.) (Of course the biggest known present day boat was not engineered by God.) These things would have had to be miracles that the Bible doesn't really claim. The violence of the young earth flood model would have been so great as to destroy the ark - in the process beating the inhabitants to death.

This is just my short list. The point is YEC can't fully explain their own view adequately.

Genesis 6 begins with some very highly debated scriptures concerning daughters of men and sons of God procreating. God reduces mankinds years because of this union. Could it be that the real target of the flood was the Nephilim (halfbreeds)? The destruction was all mankind that was poisoned by this apparent evil which resulted in tyrants (men of reknown) who delighted in evil. The purpose might have been to protect the line through which the Messiah would come. The Nephilim were probably not giants as KJV translates it. If they were literally giants then verse 6:4 needs some further explanation. How could they be in the land after the flood as well, unless some survived. If they were giants then this would seem to indicate the sons of God were angels - which I doubt, because it opens up a whole new bunch of questions. If the purpose was to protect the covenent God made with Adam to crush the serpent's head (the promise of the Savior) then it would be only necessary that the near east would have been destroyed.

I know the rest of you are still lingering out there, let's here some of you comment.


> > By the way, how did the weekend go?
> >
> One confirmed salvation. Many heard the simple
> declaration of the gospel.
>

PTL!

> BTW, before Jesus resurrected, He told his disciples
> to go and preach the gopsel....hmmm.
>
> How could they preach the gospel without ressurection
> being a part of the good news?
>
> Daniel

I should look this up before responding but..... I believe
Jesus told them to declare the "good news" that the kingdom of God was at hand, as witnessed by the lame walk, the blind see, etc. Jesus told them all through His ministry that He would suffer and die and be ressurected. They didn't understand of course but He told them.

My vacation was great! Thanks for asking. ;^P (almost forgot the inflection)

Peace
Kevin

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