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Subject: Gen 47 vss 11-13 Post 212


Author:
Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 21:50:00 08/07/12 Tue

Genesis 47:11-13 And Joseph placed his father and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded. 12 And Joseph nourished his father, and his brethren, and all his father's household, with bread, according to their families. 13 And there was no bread in all the land; for the famine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.

Though the world fall apart and and misery abound God will take care of His people. This is a a central truth throughout the Bible. God took care of Noah through the flood. He took care of Abraham in a strange land. He took care of Jacob and prospered him when he was servant to Laban. God took care of the widow and her son through famine. The handful of meal and small amount of oil never ran out for the widow and her son and Elijah through a drought of 3 1/2 years. (1 Kings 17:1-16) Manna and quail in the wilderness was the food of the Jews during the exodus. For 40 years God fed and clothed them. This with Joseph and his family is just another example of God's unseen hand working to take care of His own.

Joseph, as a type of Christ, becomes the provider. When the famine comes in the tribulation (the black horse rider of Rev. 6:5-6) Israel will be fed and protected by God. Revelation 12:6
And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they (possibly angels) should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And again in chapter 12 verse 14 we read: "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." (both the 1,260 days and the time, times and half a time are 3 1/2 years)

We are so prone to worry about "tomorrow". We say "what it" and fail to trust God through all the "what ifs". We forget that Jesus fed "five thousand men, beside women and children" with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes. (Matt. 14:16-21) We read the admonition of Jesus about this matter in Matthew 6:30-33 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. God takes care of His own.

I read one time about a man that had been weeks in a life raft after his ship sank. He had all but given up hope as he was starving for lack of food. He had been able to catch some rain water and had thus survived but he had nothing to eat for days on end. He prayed that God deliver him yet with little hope or faith that he would. A sea gull or waterfowl of some kind looking for a place to land actually landed on his head. He caught the bird and ate it and survived because of that bird. Some would say "how lucky" for him that the bird landed on his head. The bird was probably exhausted and in need a place to rest. I tell you that God sent it just as he has had fish to jump in boats of others who were perishing for lack of food and in the same circumstances. God takes care of His own.

Joseph, his father and his brethren with their families were given the best land in Egypt, were fed by the kings supply and were given favor among the people by a God who takes care of His own. All of this was in God's master plan for the tempering of Israel in the "iron furnace" called Egypt. Deuteronomy 4:20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

As we see the dark days descending on God's people today we do not need to doubt God nor give up hope. True Christians have a promise from God that He will never leave us nor forsake us (Heb. 13:5) and I for one believe Him. We may, as Israel, have to go through our own "iron furnace" but there is deliverance and as Job said: "When he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. " (Job 23:10)

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[> Subject: Great message in this study, Hillbilly


Author:
dori
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Date Posted: 23:20:06 08/08/12 Wed

Sorry I missed it yesterday. My daughter had her baby!!! She was 6 weeks early and things were in chaos around here. Mama and baby are doing fine. Ada weighed in at 4 lb 11 oz and has all her fingers, toes and the prettiest little face you ever saw!
I will cut and paste this over at Bill's site, too, just in case Caren doesn't come by here.
xoxo
[> [> Subject: Congratulations Grandma


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 06:33:12 08/09/12 Thu

You will never be the same.

My son was 4 lbs. and 1 oz and 6 wks early. Dropped back to 3-10 before gaining weight. He is now 6' 4" and a chunk.
[> [> [> Subject: grin.. well I hope that doesn't happen to Ada!!!


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dori
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Date Posted: 11:31:26 08/09/12 Thu

We don't want her to tower over her mama. *-)
Baby and Mommy are doing well. Mom will be a little sore for awhile with having had the C-section, but she's recovering well. They won't be able to take baby home for about a month, I guess. That will be so hard on them. Your continued prayers would be very much appreciated, Dwight. Thanks!!!
[> [> [> [> Subject: A month?


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 14:00:55 08/09/12 Thu

Why so? Are there other factors other than low weight. I know when my son was born he was to be 5 lbs before leaving the hospital but they let him go earlier because they saw we could take care of him without their help and he didn't need help breathing or anything.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think they are being cautiously optimistic


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dori
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Date Posted: 23:08:24 08/09/12 Thu

That is what they said the first day, but she's already taking a bottle and is soiling her diapers, so I think we can say she is moving right along. They may feel they need to monitor her because they had to take her early because she was crushing the umbilical cord and they didn't want to risk mama going into labor and totally cutting off the blood supply. Just between you and me, I think it'll be much sooner. 8-) I'll send you a picture Daddy took tonight.
xoxoxo
[> Subject: Love the Message


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Caren
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Date Posted: 20:53:51 08/10/12 Fri

Love the Message with this lesson Hillbilly. Your Grandbaby's darling Dori. How does Chip like being an Uncle??

I've been doing some reading on the Second Coming of Christ and it seems that first there will be the rapture - Christ taking His Bride home to Heaven and then later at the Second Coming He will separate the sheep from the goats. Is this how you see it Hillbilly?
[> [> Subject: Yes Caren


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 12:51:17 08/11/12 Sat

The rapture then the advent. After the advent the judgment where the "sheep" are separated from the "goats".

Many try to fit the judgments into one judgment but the Church will be judged for works soon after the rapture and then the nations at the end of the tribulation. There will be the White Throne judgment at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.
[> [> [> Subject: Thank You Hillbilly


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Caren
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Date Posted: 20:21:46 08/11/12 Sat

Tell me about the judgement where the Church will be judged for works please.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Ok, here are the two main passages


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 22:38:45 08/11/12 Sat

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

What must be seen is that the foundation is laid by Paul and the foundation is Jesus Christ. It is Paul that laid the foundational doctrine of the Church. We find these mainly in Paul's letters to the seven churches he wrote to. They started with Romans and ended with 2 Thess. Notice in the passage in 1 Cor. how that the works of wood, hay and stubble are burned but the worker is saved "so as by fire"

Paul claims the gospel given to him by Jesus Christ was "his gospel". Romans 2:14-16 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (see also Romans 16:25 and 2 Tim. 2:8)

We understand then by these passages and others that there are people who are judged who do not have to fear loss of salvation but loss of reward. This is important to understand because most believe as you mention the judgment separates the sheep from the goats which is true if you are talking about that judgment.

Hope this helps and if you would like more or clarification I will see what I can do.

God bless,
Dwight
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Very Helpful


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Caren
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Date Posted: 14:45:40 08/12/12 Sun

Thank you Hillbilly - This was very helpful. Do you think we can judge ourselves? I mean a serious Christian would Want to have works of gold and silver. Can we tell if that is what we have? I guess it comes down to spending your time on what matters and deciding what Does matter and what does not.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Self Judgment


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 16:53:27 08/12/12 Sun

1 Corinthians 11:31-32 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Self judgment is looking at our thoughts and actions in light of what God's Word plainly tells us. It is depending on the Holy Spirit within to guide us into all truths. (John 16:13)

We notice in 1 Cor. vs. 32 above we have the chastening of the Lord as our judgment and we are not condemned with the world which is lost and without the Spirit of God.

Self judgment then is essential for the Christian walk. We must reflect on our thoughts and actions in light of what the Bible tells us.

One of my favorite verses in this regard is Psalm 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. The lamp is the lesser light and shows your immediate circumstance. It lights your feet and shows you just where you are standing from God's vantage point. The light shines on down the path and directs you to the right path before you get into trouble. It will illuminate your path and tell you which fork in the road to take.
[> Subject: Very Good


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Caren
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Date Posted: 18:20:31 08/12/12 Sun

Thanks for explaining this.


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