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Date Posted: 17:17:51 11/19/09 Thu
Author: Dan G.
Subject: Re: Greyhounds yes, wiemeraner...yes, and some others as well no doubt
In reply to: Lee 's message, "Greyhounds yes, wiemeraner...yes, and some others as well no doubt" on 14:46:56 11/19/09 Thu

There's a difference between a purebred dog with some old recessives that were possibly from an outcross in it's pedigree, than some 50/50 mutt in some bandoggers yard.

And this isn't a knock on crossbreeding but there's a difference between a sled dog or greyhound breeding bringing in an outcross that is used to improve a line and proving it's worth by winning a race with tangible, hard, concrete numbers than it is with some "protection" line that proves it's worth with abstract and subjective opinions. One has money involved on hard numbers, the other has money involved on image and popularity amongst thugs posing as dogmen looking for "real" dogs that have to “look” like real dogs.

A breed has a few hundred breeders breeding a few hundred dogs and by sheer numbers you can hopefully find decent dogs here and there that won't be that far off from what you have genetically. A Bandogger with a lot of time on his hands and plenty of cash, that has a lot of knowledge and experience with many different breeds (possibly a long time trainer) and plenty of money to buy the best from the best may have a few dogs and again by sheer numbers or lack thereof, at the end of the day will have decent inbred mutts at best, throwing who knows what, the farther down the line gets. Talk about a quick way to hit a dead end on a gene pool, get a bandogger to try to create a line and see what happens. He’ll be mixing sh*t all his life trying to plug the leaks.

Besides this, no one will continue the line and the dedication needed to make any use of it and here's why. Very few really need them. You want and really need a protection dog? There are plenty of GREAT dogs in other long established breeds available. Eg. police and military and what they use. Why would anyone other than some hobbyist trying to be different and special by creating a new breed, spend their hard earned time and money on a gamble with inbred mutts when they really need a protection quality dog and they have way better odds with any of the three continually proven herders? They don't and they won't. It’s hard enough to convince them of using any of the older protection breeds, and even less the rare breeds, much less a mutt with a fancy story. To then expect for that someone to continue the line of mutts with the realities we face today. The days of Von Stephanitz, Dobermann and whatever breed creators there were, are long gone. The term, "working" gets thrown around a lot, but hardly anyone works their dogs in a true professional or necessative capacity and with the technological and litigious society that we have today, the need for that type of dog dwindles away. Hell, I’m convinced it’s only a short matter of time before odor sensing machines take over and excel beyond the capacity of a dogs nose. Then what? Whatever is left will wither away as well.

David has a need for big strong agile dogs and he uses them. I get it but he’s one out of probably the rest of the Boerboel owning society . I truly wish him well. Mine was 140 lbs., very quick and agile………and as physics would have it, he tore his ACL. A few weeks later, he tore the other won. He was going on seven and I was facing a $5k vet bill. Healthy working dogs shouldn’t cost $5k to fix. If I ever had a need for that type of dog again, I know who I’d go to for one. The guy who can provide the same type of dog but one that is hopefully less likely to tear it’s ACL’s.

Finally and from what I’ve read, the point of all of this is not that it’s evil to mix. It might not be my choice and if it’s yours that’s fine, but it’s bs if you mix and try to hide it or pass it off as a purebred because YOU think that you’re opinion/program is more valid and educated than mine or the populace within the breed.

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