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Date Posted: 09:00:16 09/05/02 Thu
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In reply to:
Wilde Karrde
's message, "Re: Revised Dominion vs Empire" on 09:31:31 09/04/02 Wed
>>>>>alright
>>>>>I did make a small mistake, make it 2 SSDs and 100
>>>>>ISDs, in a fleet engagement around the Dominion
>>>>>homeworld, where-ever that is. Against the fleet
>>they
>>>>>had to invade the Alpha-quadrent, and the fleet
>they
>>>>>had to defend their own space. which was, as you
>>>said,
>>>>>about 8,000 ships.
>>
>>I thought that was somewhat over enthusiastic of you!
>>:)
>>
>>8000 ships was was just a low end guesstimate on my
>>part. It's certainly not set in stone. However, we can
>>use 8000 ships for this thread.
>>
>>>Now, framework given, who would
>>>>win?
>>>>
>>
>>Hmmm....well depends what you mean by win. Personally
>>I still believe that the (remains of) Dominion fleet
>>would be the one left at the end, but there could be a
>>lot of damage to the Dominion world. So who would be
>>the victor? Turn it around and make it an Imperial
>>world, and I think it would take a lot of damage too.
>>Best to leave the world out of it, and make it just a
>>fleet battle.
>>
>>>>They'ed still spank'em! BDZ all the way. For ya'll
>>who
>>>>don't know what what BDZ (Base Delta Zero) is, its
>>the
>>>>code used by Star Destroyer captains to begin a
>>>>orbital bombardment with Turbolasers.
>>>
>>
>>True, but we don't have a definitive time frame for
>>it. Would the Imperial fleet survive long enough to
>>complete it?
>
>
The Following Statement is non-canon fact and should not be taken into consideration when judging for the plantiff.
>In the novel "Visions of the Future" the planet
>Bothawui was targeted to be BDZed by only three Star
>Destroyers. The goal of their mission was to let the
>warring fleets in orbit destroy eachother, wipe out
>any of the warring ships that remained, and then
>destroy Bothawui leaving no surviors from the warring
>fleets or the planet. I also must point out that one
>of the most imporant mission goals of the Star
>Destroyers was to leave no survivors because they
>wanted to blame the BDZ on the warring fleets to fan
>the flames of civil war in the New Republic. This
>proves that a BDZ last for only a few hours at the
>most because if it took longer someone from the planet
>or warring fleets would send a message for help and
>also the longer the BDZ takes the higher the risk the
>SDs have of being stumbled upon by ships heading for
>Bothawui which would ruin the SD's mission goal of
>framing the BDZ on the warring fleets.
>
>Also this example proves that three SDs are more then
>enough to preform a BDZ operation. 100 SDs and 2 SSDs
>is more then enough to BDZ the Dominion world (in fact
>it's overkill) in no time . AS for the Dominion fleet
>none of their ships have ever shown the ability to
>stop weaponry that's even close to the gigaton range,
>meaning all the Imperials have to do is hit any of the
>Dominion ships once and the Dominion ship is fucked.
>The Dominion have also never shown weaponry powerful
>enough overwhelm the sheilds of a SD not to mention a
>SSD. Besides if an Imperial ship suffers too much
>damage it can simply preform a hyperspace jump far
>away enough to be out of the pathetic range of warp,
>repair the ship and return to battle.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>Just two things I'd like to mention. First off a BDZ
>>>is more then just an orbital bombardment It's the
>>>complete destruction of the upper crust of a planet
>to
>>>the point where it's turned completly to slag.
>>
>>Maybe! :) There are multiple definitions of what
>>constitutes a BDZ. Melting the entire upper crust is
>>one of the higher end estimates. Others just require
>>the destruction of the planets infrastructure and
>>higher lifeforms. Others require extermination of all
>>life. It has never been definintively shown what the
>>defintion of BDZ is (Base Delta Zero aside!).
>
>
>Bullshit.
>----------------------------------
> Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections
>Pg. 22 :
>Armies entrenched in deep underground may be subject
>to a last resort "Base Delta Zero" fleet bombardment.
>Such operations reduce the upper crust of a planet to
>molten slag - a spectacle unseen in the Republic until
>the Clone Wars
>----------------------------------
>Face it your just another rabid trekkie who will do
>absolutely anything to disprove what a BDZ will do
>bcause it proves the extreme power that Imperial ships
>possess and that they would fuck over any Star Trek
>ship they are pitted against.
>
>
>>
>>>Second thing I'd like to mention is about the
>Dominion
>>>fleet count. They include fighters in that count the
>>>same goes for the feds, klingons etc.
>>
>>Possibly, but Trek "fighters" are magnitudes above
>>Wars fighters in size and capabilities. Most Imperial
>>fighters don't have shields torpedoes or hyperdrives.
>>Most Trek "fighters" have warp, torpedoes and shields.
>>Unshielded Wars fighters (ie standard TIEs) are little
>>little more than cannon fodder in this battle.
>
>Again your spouting nothing more then trekkie
>bullshit. Tie's are thousands of times more
>maneuverable then Star trek fighters. Also no Star
>Trek ship has ever shown the capability to hit small
>fast agile targets that are less then 10 meters in
>width, lenghth, and height. So what if trek fighters
>possess torpedoes, warp, or sheilds. Torpedoes would
>only be good to wipe out a handful of fighters at the
>most which, compared to the torpedoes of a tie bomber
>are nothing seeing as how a tie bombers missles and
>torpedoes are in the high megaton to mid gigaton range
>and would destroy fighters and cap ships alike. Even
>if warp is used to jump out of the fighters range the
>SD's will simply blast the trek fighters away with the
>superior firepower, range, and speed of turbolasers.
>As for shields they're not an equation because the
>superior firepower of imperial fighters and bombers
>will cut through them like a hot knife through butter.
>last but not least even if the Imperial Fighters were
>nothing more then cannon fodder a single Star
>Destroyer carries a mix of 72 fighters, interceptors,
>and bombers. Seeing as how there are 100 Star
>Destroyer that's already 7200 fighters, interceptors,
>and bombers this number dosen't even include the
>fighters from the 2 SSDs which are both capable of
>carrying sveral hundred fighters each.
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