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Wilde Karrde
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Date Posted: 09:31:31 09/04/02 Wed
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In reply to:
Warspite
's message, "Re: Revised Dominion vs Empire" on 08:18:47 09/02/02 Mon
>>>>alright
>>>>I did make a small mistake, make it 2 SSDs and 100
>>>>ISDs, in a fleet engagement around the Dominion
>>>>homeworld, where-ever that is. Against the fleet
>they
>>>>had to invade the Alpha-quadrent, and the fleet they
>>>>had to defend their own space. which was, as you
>>said,
>>>>about 8,000 ships.
>
>I thought that was somewhat over enthusiastic of you!
>:)
>
>8000 ships was was just a low end guesstimate on my
>part. It's certainly not set in stone. However, we can
>use 8000 ships for this thread.
>
>>Now, framework given, who would
>>>win?
>>>
>
>Hmmm....well depends what you mean by win. Personally
>I still believe that the (remains of) Dominion fleet
>would be the one left at the end, but there could be a
>lot of damage to the Dominion world. So who would be
>the victor? Turn it around and make it an Imperial
>world, and I think it would take a lot of damage too.
>Best to leave the world out of it, and make it just a
>fleet battle.
>
>>>They'ed still spank'em! BDZ all the way. For ya'll
>who
>>>don't know what what BDZ (Base Delta Zero) is, its
>the
>>>code used by Star Destroyer captains to begin a
>>>orbital bombardment with Turbolasers.
>>
>
>True, but we don't have a definitive time frame for
>it. Would the Imperial fleet survive long enough to
>complete it?
In the novel "Visions of the Future" the planet Bothawui was targeted to be BDZed by only three Star Destroyers. The goal of their mission was to let the warring fleets in orbit destroy eachother, wipe out any of the warring ships that remained, and then destroy Bothawui leaving no surviors from the warring fleets or the planet. I also must point out that one of the most imporant mission goals of the Star Destroyers was to leave no survivors because they wanted to blame the BDZ on the warring fleets to fan the flames of civil war in the New Republic. This proves that a BDZ last for only a few hours at the most because if it took longer someone from the planet or warring fleets would send a message for help and also the longer the BDZ takes the higher the risk the SDs have of being stumbled upon by ships heading for Bothawui which would ruin the SD's mission goal of framing the BDZ on the warring fleets.
Also this example proves that three SDs are more then enough to preform a BDZ operation. 100 SDs and 2 SSDs is more then enough to BDZ the Dominion world (in fact it's overkill) in no time . AS for the Dominion fleet none of their ships have ever shown the ability to stop weaponry that's even close to the gigaton range, meaning all the Imperials have to do is hit any of the Dominion ships once and the Dominion ship is fucked. The Dominion have also never shown weaponry powerful enough overwhelm the sheilds of a SD not to mention a SSD. Besides if an Imperial ship suffers too much damage it can simply preform a hyperspace jump far away enough to be out of the pathetic range of warp, repair the ship and return to battle.
>
>>
>>Just two things I'd like to mention. First off a BDZ
>>is more then just an orbital bombardment It's the
>>complete destruction of the upper crust of a planet to
>>the point where it's turned completly to slag.
>
>Maybe! :) There are multiple definitions of what
>constitutes a BDZ. Melting the entire upper crust is
>one of the higher end estimates. Others just require
>the destruction of the planets infrastructure and
>higher lifeforms. Others require extermination of all
>life. It has never been definintively shown what the
>defintion of BDZ is (Base Delta Zero aside!).
Bullshit.
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Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections
Pg. 22 :
Armies entrenched in deep underground may be subject to a last resort "Base Delta Zero" fleet bombardment. Such operations reduce the upper crust of a planet to molten slag - a spectacle unseen in the Republic until the Clone Wars
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Face it your just another rabid trekkie who will do absolutely anything to disprove what a BDZ will do bcause it proves the extreme power that Imperial ships possess and that they would fuck over any Star Trek ship they are pitted against.
>
>>Second thing I'd like to mention is about the Dominion
>>fleet count. They include fighters in that count the
>>same goes for the feds, klingons etc.
>
>Possibly, but Trek "fighters" are magnitudes above
>Wars fighters in size and capabilities. Most Imperial
>fighters don't have shields torpedoes or hyperdrives.
>Most Trek "fighters" have warp, torpedoes and shields.
>Unshielded Wars fighters (ie standard TIEs) are little
>little more than cannon fodder in this battle.
Again your spouting nothing more then trekkie bullshit. Tie's are thousands of times more maneuverable then Star trek fighters. Also no Star Trek ship has ever shown the capability to hit small fast agile targets that are less then 10 meters in width, lenghth, and height. So what if trek fighters possess torpedoes, warp, or sheilds. Torpedoes would only be good to wipe out a handful of fighters at the most which, compared to the torpedoes of a tie bomber are nothing seeing as how a tie bombers missles and torpedoes are in the high megaton to mid gigaton range and would destroy fighters and cap ships alike. Even if warp is used to jump out of the fighters range the SD's will simply blast the trek fighters away with the superior firepower, range, and speed of turbolasers. As for shields they're not an equation because the superior firepower of imperial fighters and bombers will cut through them like a hot knife through butter. last but not least even if the Imperial Fighters were nothing more then cannon fodder a single Star Destroyer carries a mix of 72 fighters, interceptors, and bombers. Seeing as how there are 100 Star Destroyer that's already 7200 fighters, interceptors, and bombers this number dosen't even include the fighters from the 2 SSDs which are both capable of carrying sveral hundred fighters each.
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