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Subject: Church to blame for Enga calamity


Author:
Robert Moniker (Falsehood of religion)
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 03 2008, 06:04:06am

Enga is in a mess. Let us not deny the obvious. Engan people are in a horrible mess. They have an identity crisis. They know not who they are. They pretend to be what they are not. The reason for this mess is the church. All of them. Catholic, Lutheran, you name it...they all stink. The pastor who writes on this forum is a fake. He is no closer to the gods than any of us yet he poses as someone who has better knowledge, better morals, as if he has a charter to mix it with ordinary folk.
Religion is a myth followed by morons who cannot see the myth from the mist.

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Author:
Hwaters
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 03 2008, 11:43:48am

Mr Moniker I totally agree with you in that Enga is in a state of delapidation and the people are confused about what is being presented to them and knowing to do what is right.

However, I do not agree with you in holding the church to account for this self inflicted calamity. If there was any truth in this, then why arn't the non believers any better. I am a non church goer myself and I don't seem to do better than the church goer. This is enough to convince me that the church alone can't fix our problems let alone any diety.

The pastor or rather the priest on this forum reserves his/her right to be who he/she is and say what he/she thinks is right in his/her version of Enga in the same way as you do. I don't think anybody has the right to pass judgement, that right is reserved for God.

Lastly, religion could be a myth but christianity is not a myth as you may be led or chose to believe. God and Jesus a real and living and therefore Christianity real. This morning on the 8:30am bus to the city, I saw the most stunning beauty I had seen in a long while. Surely someone must have created her and such beauty must have come from somewhere.

Engans need to search inwards as the problem lies within the individual.

Blessings

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Author:
Enga Ombudsman
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 03 2008, 04:00:58pm

I agree with Robert that Enga is in a mess but as Hwaters said, it is not caused by the church. Instead Church is maintaining peace and harmony in Enga. Also the churches are responsible for the development of Enga. Churhces look after more youths and teach them to be good citizens. Also the churches are responsible for the healthcare, education, awarness on Hiv/Aids and law and order, infrastructure, teaching the basic principles of morality and many more where our leaders are failing to deliver.
You are totally going the Opposite.
For Example, places like Kompiam where the people carrys the vehicle instead of vehicle carrying the people, The Catholic and the Baptist Church plays a major role in the development of Kompiam. The Kompiam Baptist Health center gets its supply throuh the Australian Airforce and looks after the people. More that 50% of the health centre, hospitals and schools- from elementry to secondary are set up and run by the missions.
I believe that Church is the only orgainsation that promoting peace, harmony and progress in Enga.

I urge you to change your philosophy and support the churhes. This is a democratic country and you have the right to be a monk, athiest, hindu, christian or even a potential terroist but remember that God is real. Jesus is real and he is living.
Enga is for Jesus and even the Leaders fails to deliver, Jesus will deliver through the churches

With Kind Regards,

Enga Ombudsman -Publo
UPNG

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Author:
KLagaipT3
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 03 2008, 04:10:14pm

Lagaip Headwater Boy,

This is one is issue that I support you on!!

Congrats! Your head has grown!

KLagaipT3

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[> Subject: Re: Church to blame for Enga calamity


Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka, SVd (Religion - a threshold of hope)
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 03 2008, 06:44:48pm

Mr. Moniker, I donít know if you are an Engan or not, but let me say, what a piece you put in here, by pointing your finger at the institutions which have served as the bases of hope in the midst of horror as you put, to portray Enga. Without negating your views on the situations in Enga, your opinion against the Churches as the very cause of the mess in Enga is rather naÔve. This is like as if you are applying a ďkitchen sinkĒ strategy to others when you realize that you cannot solve some problems. Besides, churches do not tie a rope around your neck and pull you into believing what they teach, rather, they put out options for you to choose. You have the choice whether to choose or not to choose. You canít just sit somewhere in the blues and start blaming others for the realities happening there. We all have things to do, not at a bigger scenario but in our households, small communities to help and inform our Engans to change for bad to good. Given the position of what I am, I have tried, and tired. Yet people choose what to do, whether to do good or bad, but I donít blame them. There are other factors which contribute to the scenarios presented in Enga.

When people donít have jobs, when people donít have money, when education rights have been deprived and many more, people clinch to attitudes that best suits them, whether good or bad. And there is no reason to say, church are causes of these. Enga Ombudsman has elaborated some of what the churches have done. Without credits to the churches in Enga and PNG, I doubt if the government of the day would move Enga and PNG to what it is now.

Now Mr. Moniker, I donít know if you have any indignant thoughts against me as a person or as a pastor, but let me point this out. I have spent 12 years in seminaries in three different countries; I have sacrificed the death of my own father, brother and sister, whom I have never seen them at their dead beds and I have let gone other possibilities in life to clinch this life and it is my 6th year as a priest. After priesthood studies, I am still studying something else that would be helpful for our young in PNG and Enga. Are these fake? I am sorry; you got me wrong my friend. You are right; I am no closer to God just as you may be, (if that is so) but at least I am trying my best to be close as any people of good will would do and these are not fake. You may argue as if my long years of studies and moral principles have given me the ďlicenseĒ to mix them with the ordinary folk, but let me say this: These knowledge and moral principles have given me the right to offer directions to people and it is up to them to take them or leave them. It is not up to me for force it to them. People have choices and these choices are what make them either good or bad.

On the other hand, religion is not a myth as you labeled it, but is a something that had prompted those who have every faith and reason to believe in it. Long years of religious associations with those who have strong convictions and 12 or more years of studies to the lead such a life does not qualify a person to be a moron, rather those who have naÔve thoughts about religion and faith are. There may be mist on the way, but it takes a courageous person and people to see through those mists to reach a safer destination. If you want to get more insights and understanding on religion, I invite you to visit my blog on MySpace URL: http://www.myspace.com/bobbyplewslaka

Click on the blog: The Ecumenical and inter-Faith Legacy, I have posted. That might give you some thoughts on religion, whether it is a myth or a reality.

Blessings.

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Author:
Fr. Robert Plews Laka, SVD (corrections:)
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 03 2008, 06:48:55pm

We all have things to do, not at a bigger scenario but in our households, small communities to help and inform our Engans to change from bad to good.

Ta.

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Author:
SB
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Date Posted: Tue, Jun 03 2008, 11:07:55pm

Moniker,

If you have a personal issue with God, seek answers from him in prayer. If you didn't know it, God is real. I am sure he will reach you in your agony, he will show you the way seeing you are lost.

Your personal attack on a person under a pen name speaks volumes about yourself. Engans are not lacking identity crisis like you say. I think you are at a crossroad towards finding out who you really are.

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