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Subject: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Peles-Economist
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Date Posted: Mon, Nov 10 2008, 09:32:54am

You know much has been said about, why and how and when our politicians of the province should do something to develop or make better our province. It is rather ironic isnt it to point fingers at someone else to do the job, while we sit back and enjoy ourselves in air-conditioned rooms having all this desires but not the guts to do something. Dont get me wrong, this aint a criticism, but i have a point to make here.

My point is why not, we as educated elites of Enga, put up a tink-tank for the province, creating an Engan elites club, specifically geared towards addressing some of the major issues affecting our province. I know, our excuse would be that, why talk about it when the politicians are not supportive. To hell with the politicians, i am talking about Engan sons and daughters coming together to provide and prescribe policy options for our province. It dont have to be a political organisation, it would be merely a forum where all issues relating to Enga are addressed. I know, most of us are professionally qualified, and i think our province needs us to get back and address some of this issues. Our own people are the ones who are suffering.

My suggestion is incorporate an association of Engan intellectuals to provide a forum for the development of Enga. Engans have achieved greatness in education and business, and i believe it is about time, we put our heads together for the betterment of our province, instead of being zealous of each other nor fight among ourselves..

Just a thought.. express your opinion

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Reed
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Date Posted: Mon, Nov 10 2008, 01:08:19pm

Threads from some great Engan minds in the past on this forum have stated, discussed and expressed similar sentiments to what Peles-Economist has mentioned. I have spent years trying to figure out How? When? and Who? Would enforce a different strategy completely leaving the politicians out of the equation. Educated Engans of this era know that involvement of politicians only brings nothing but delay, empty promises and eventually corruption.

Therefore, yes, I am very supportive of what Peles-Economist has suggested. I ask once again all Engan professionals to contribute ideas and personal thoughts. Christmas is just around the corner and for those of us going home (Enga), this might be a chance to gather together in Wabag and brain-storm strategical approaches to identify why our God blessed province of less than 300 000 people is not physically exhibiting any signs of more significant development. People in Kandep, Kopima/Ambum, Task and Wapenamanda and Lower-Lai have been suffering since the beginning of time because of mere political indifferences between individuals and this is the for ever existing problem, mere political indifferences.

We must not forget that each educated professional from Enga is a spokes man or woman for the tribe and community we all come from. We need to come together and build up on this idea that has surfed this forum for almost half a decade.

In the process of doing this forum and gathering in Wabag, I can almost guarantee that the next person to lead Enga and Papua New Guinea will be gradually revealed.
Letís do this, more ideas please,
Reed

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[> [> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Mrs Maryanne Tokome-Amu
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 28 2008, 09:14:57pm


Kuakama Etete.
Iam Maryanne Tokome Amu from Wapenamanda. I contested last year's election and was given the name Mendaiwan. Iam a professional and I am supportive of the idea for the association. My whole idea last year was to make a difference in Wapenamanda but as the people have the mandate, they chose their leader.

However, I would like to be part of the association tasol if someone thinks its a conflict of interest let me know.
This forum debated me inside out prior to the elections, to a degree I was victimised.
As De Bono, I wear many hats and this time is a professional hat. Let me know when you are ready.

And blessings for the coming chrismas for those of you, going home.( meet you there as I will be there too. When you are driving through, call into Wapenamanda Centre for Primary health care and say hi.

maryanne tokome amu ( mendaiwan)

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Author:
annonymous
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 04 2008, 07:06:19pm

tired of listening to those engans mouth,,stop and get real to this faked world of life.

planning is not good but doing is something better.

hope ou do understand this statement..

enagans most are kind of promising people that can't stand up with their world but instead of solving th eproblems they love to leave and walk in the crooked road with a stubborn heart. does he or she cares? i don't think so..to hurt someone is good for engans...

cheers

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[> [> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Mac (Peace)
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 04 2008, 05:23:09pm

With Christmas looming, i agree with the motion put foward by Reed on the idea that those of us who will be in Wabag during x-mas set a time and venue to meet and get whole concept moving forward.

We can keep scribing and submitting too many ideals on what it should like for Enga ten years from today but if we are serious i think we should have action items.

Remember - the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

Mac...

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


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larsen
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Date Posted: Mon, Nov 10 2008, 04:10:10pm

Solemnly, may I inform that your proposal has been the main point behind the engagement of formal discussion on issues affecting both Enga and the country in this forum and thus, I, as a concerned engan, appreciate your initiative to have mentioned it first.

I enclose my email address:kmack@y7mail.com ; for only this purpose. Reckon that we should get engaged more closely and am supportive of any meeting back at home during the 2008 christmas period. (Would provide my mobile no. when at home/in the country during this period)

Fully supported

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Peles-Economist
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 11 2008, 08:58:47am

Larsen and Reed, thanks for your interest. This is just a suggestion, that before we head off home during the Christmas break, i think, we should meet initially where-ever we are. For instance, those netting from Lae should meet somewhere, while those of us who are in Pom, meet somewhere and initially talk about the idea. Therefore those who are interested in such an idea should put their email address and where they are.

I am in Port Moresby, and my email address is brian@survivormail.com

cheers

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


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larsen
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 11 2008, 03:16:32pm

I am happy to meet up with a formed team in Port Moresby during this christmas but have to negotiate on the meeting date.

Can meet up with a team in Mt Hagen before heading home. I should attend a meeting in Enga even if meetings in the other places are not practical, otherwise.

Essentially, getting friends bundled up in an email flow network is better prior to the meetings.

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


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Reed
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 11 2008, 03:55:25pm

I originally suggested for us to meet up this Christmas but unfortunately my work schedule does not allow me to be in the country at this particular time.

Regardless, this gathering must proceed for the good of Enga (before it too late) and I am fully prepared to support in all ways possible. Larsen and Peles-Economist, my appreciation for the shared views on the progress of our province. My email address is dendenriani@yahoo.com

I again ask all Engan think-tanks to start contributing ideas and see where we will lead from here on. Christmas is just around the corner.

Letís reclaim, redeem and reform Enga (RRRE)

Reed

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Fr. Robert Plew Laka, SVD (Count me in)
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 28 2008, 10:22:12pm

Peles Economist, Reed, Larsen and all. The idea you have put forward of having a think-tank forum for strategic plannings for developing Enga, a rather true spirit of Enga, you have shown. True enough, Enga has produced enough sons and daughters to lead her into a different direction that would benefit all. So many "mi save" people are home, no doubt about that. But despite that, there has to be a group discussing strategy proposal for either the government of the day or NGOs if possible to deliver development agendas.

I will be home, this Christmas and I wish to be involved in the discussions. Count me in. I wish to know our venue so that I will plan accordingly. However, I can't understand why there are other meetings prior to the think-tank forum. Is it like mena ene nalan tambu wambo napengep? Lets all come together and talk simultaneously on a given time. If one cannot make it then, lets say so but, lets agree on a time frame where interested people are available could meet. I will be home this Christmas and can be reach on this telephone number in Wabag: 5471096 as of December 10 onwards till the first week of January, I shall leave the country again. I am truly in favor of the idea of the think-tank forum. LETS TALK and plan my kaimis and pakais.

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Cathy Reto
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Date Posted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 01:25:42pm

Great idea!
Count me in on this one. I have been thinking of something like this over few years and I am glad someone have spit it out.
I won't be home for Christmas but I can be contacted through Maryanne Amu.

All the best to you great minds.

Cathy

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Ace (But....)
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 29 2008, 05:29:28pm

Great!!!...

But I am not too sure if this may create any political indiffernces. Not too sure. This is not my profession.

However, I have come acccross some of my good Simbu friends with the rest of their province mates really put their heads in to support the Chimbu Childrens Fund.

They make a lot of good money from fund raisings and help those kids at home who are unfortunate to afford school fees and such. This can be the result that currently, there are lots of young Simbu professionals coming up.

So " What is more constructive for us to do here??

With that, I am willing to support!!! I'll do my part.

Ace
Pure Enga

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
outsider
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Date Posted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 02:44:06pm

How are you guys going to get support from the politicians in power to implement all the ideas and changes needed for the greater need of the Province?

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


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tony
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 01 2008, 11:40:51am

Outsider, you have said it right like a 'insider'.
In Enga, you will never progress without the political support. The days of our pioneer professionals were not backed up by latest technologies like computers and never accessed emails, internets, etc to share ideas, form forums, etc, like we do now but these ideas were there in our years...Young people, do somthing real to convert me to believe in young brains in our old age... I am reading alot here about what we can do but nogat kaiks??

The key to getting these young brains utilised is thru political support and I stressed again, our dreams will only be fulfilled when our very people elect right MP's in the system to support young professionals?

I may sound negative, its real...

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


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Ace
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 01 2008, 01:23:28pm

Yes,

I see where you guys are coming from and this will not work out unless we start it small. To be more specific using a SWOT system - Strengths: Weakness: Opportunities: Threads in regard to Development in Enga.

Saa ir kis pilyamop kael naro, ereng naro naleng.... If we climb up to the big things, we will never get there.

Remember what I said " Chimbu professionals are volunteerly raising funds for unfornate Simbu kids for school fees".

So what have we as Engan got to give here...A weak point could be Enga Tribal Fights. Opportunities to promote Tourism in Enga.

Try to be more specific here or else people like Action Governor will blow this organisation thing!!!... We must some ways please him to gain funds or else we are simply colonising a political party here.

Ace
Very True Engan.

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Paeo
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 03 2008, 10:00:37am

It is indeed good to see concerned Engan's expressing their willingness to be part of an organisation that knows no boundaries, an organisation that has a single moto: To improve the lifestyle of ordinary Engans.

Now, we have been discussing this issue at different times in this forum and many people have expressed their willingness to take part in any effort to bring development to the province. I feel the way forward to this initiative is to get a committee formed to take the lead in organsing meetings and to liase with concerned Engans. I feel that the best place to orgnise the first meeting is in Port Moresby. This is where many of our professional and influencial Engan's are based. Those of us outside of POM can be briefed through this forum or through a newsletter developed by the organisation.

I suppose getting someone like the Chief Judge to be the Patron of the oganisation and involving other learned Engans to take part is the way to go. Could someone in POM take the initiative to organise the first meeting. I am sure many will turn up if the right message is put forward to them.

I have seen how our Hela brothers have come togther to fight for their own province. It has seen the best Hela brains getting togther and investing their own resources to see something they believed in come to pass. I think we can do better.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
Wane Sirunki
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 03 2008, 03:48:32pm

In reply to suggestions regarding Enga Development Forum, at first glance I'd thought the name was misleading. EDF - Electoral Development Fund? Any or ALL development is possible in even the remotest parts of Enga, in the Nete/Penale/Hewa, Pinai, Maramuni, and any village in our densely people populated Ambum/Aiyele/Wage/Tsak/Minamb/Lai/Lagaip/Ipae valleys. If anyone can ask, when real development took place in Enga, I'd undoubtedly say Enga really moved in the 1980's when the likes of Kundapen Talyanga, Anderson Aipit (late), Philip Kikala, were at the administrative helm of Enga Administration. Today, Enga is poor-rich, rich in name because of our resources, but poor in every respect because of the ego-centred greed, selfishness and promiscuous conduct of NOT only our action leaders but everyone in the Enga system of both government and church in our closely-knitted kinship society. As long as our leaders, and even some of the so-called educated sons of Enga, who, some have outsmarted all Engans, have so taken advantage of the vacuum in the Ipatas 'Yama Putitili Anda', profited and become overnight millionaires, who can pay their Sons' brideprice in the hundred thousands, Enga will remain backward. Enga desperately needs honest, transparent and God-fearing political leaders, public servants, community and church leaders, with focused and directed leadership vision, at all levels. Enga does not need ambitious leaders now. A forum such as this should talk about change, real change that will have a real impact on real people. For example, the Ipatas 'Yama Putitil Anda' is a soc-eco-political mismatch. We cannot talk about real development in that house when it is 'preoccuppied' with the wrong hands, eyes, minds, thoughts, etc hence political leadership should be the last needed cleanup. If Enga needs to change, change must first come from the levels of the so-called 'small office boys' - the cleaners, administration clerks, supply and requisition clerks, and up the ladder in the Ipatas Yama Putitil Anda. Change we must not only see but must beleive must come from bottom-up. I am for a CHANGE ENGA FORUM. I only have my thoughts, skills and knowledge to offer for a better Enga. We are living as things are as normal. You only have to travel the Enga Highway from Wapenamanda to Wabag to Laiagam to see for yourself, where we are heading to. Shame on EVERYONE - action governor, council presidents, church leaders, educated Engans, tribesmen, and all our people! Engans today have developed a new mentality, a sense of sort 'borrowed' from somewhere, never known to our fathers and their fathers. We don't need to talk about changing leaders, however it is crucial now, that we must first and foremost, talk about changing our attitudes and our behaviour, the mentality of the Engan tribesmen 'rambo warrior' style execution of the law, so in a forum such as this, we discuss about ways to instil some lost discipline into our people's attitudes, and talk about changes as real as rice and tin-fish on the table. That they believe in these changes to make sense out of our existence and our children's future. As long as Enga remains a lawless and leaderless society, we will lack behind development. In a forum as such, development talk must be politically-free, changing leaders at every election is not the answer. It is about educating our people, about the lack of purpose and direction seen in all areas of government, church, tribal and family units in Enga. We get excited when we ourselves and others describe Engans as born leaders, we dream we have a rightful place, to be second only to the Jewish nation and people in PNG. God created all men equal and did not bestow leadership and blessings upon one man more than the other. Father Abraham blessed Isaac more than Isau, because Abraham was blind. Imagine if he wasn't blind! It was a case of mistaken identity. Engans must not put on this mistaken identity. We have observed that during the last election. Engans must come low, keep low and respect others. Let others talk about us, not ourselves forcing on others to lay claim to things. At least Peter Ipatas should bow his head low, in shame because he did not achieve his dream to become PM. PNG's top political post was on our grasp, it was hijacked by Bill Skate and Chris Haiveta and bestowed to their Kerema wantok. Ol meri Kerema kukim sago dust na tanim het blo PI so he danced to their music.No wonder, Peter Ipatas and John Pundari have been bitter since! Don Polye and Sam Abal were about to repeat what JP tried, again Action Governor PI stood in, courted the Sepik Mafia gang, we have lost again. Engans are doomed. During a forum as this, we should educate our people that no leader is born a leader. Leadership is a learned behavioural process that leaders must learn to lead. It is not a right for any man to claim outright leadership. A forum as this, should work hard to achieve this as our overall goal. Unless Engans change, Enga will not change. We have to learn from others, like the world's greatest leaders India's Ghandi, England's Churchill, America's Lincoln, etc have walked and slept the streets to become leaders. It took years, for people to realize a leader was among them! A few Engans have suddenly come up from obscurity and nowhere, some have made their names overnight, to claim the right to leadership.
IN such a forum as this, I would give my unequivocal support to a Enga Change Forum, only if it is free of any political affiliation. A Enga Change Forum that will pride and visions itself to upholding the Enga Way of Life, to encompass all domains of Enga life. Enga should return back to the days when there was the Enga Yaka Lasemana (EYL), a development blueprint for the Administration that time, which is more relevant to our time.

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
SB
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 03 2008, 04:41:09pm

Surinki Wane,

While I partially agree with the content of your long spew, I would like to introduce you to a sycronym that I learnt at Bialla WNB, "NATO". No it does not stand for North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, it stands for No Action Talk Only. Most of your discussion is based on history, we need to have constructive discussions on moving Enga forward. You haven't provided an alternative. Ohhh yeah, I agree any effort to involve us all who want to lay down our lives for Enga should be free on political influence.

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[> Subject: Re: Enga Devlopment Forum - Forming and Association


Author:
NARO
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 03 2008, 05:56:36pm

We do not need too many professionals or those prominent Engans that are already in the system (I mean the public service machinery in PNG) to change our swit home. The system in PNG is corrupt and those who are in there already are corrupt themselves either intentionally or by accident as some may put. I have never seen a single person stood up and won the heart of the ordinary people...therefore, I wouldn't even think about inviting one of them to this proposed forum/association we are dreaming of. This forum should be made-up of Engans who changed themselves in the way they think and act...someone who as personally changed and the person living next to you knows that you are a true patriotic and independent changed person.

Before we jump up and down with all these sweat talks, we have to check ourselves out! We all know Enga and PNG are doomed these days and there seems to be no hope. Before writing all the good ideas, let's check ourselves and see if we truly are changed ourselves...then the people will see that change and follow suit.

Let's get the basic facts of ourselves right before we think about changing someone else in this case Enga.

I still believe an Engan will change Enga and PNG.

Good or bad, mi tok out lon tinging blon me.

God Bless~
NARO

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[> Subject: Friends in an Email Network


Author:
larsen
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Date Posted: Fri, Dec 05 2008, 08:47:25am

Am attempting to having to encourage an email network of engan friends to share common views as such in this forum. Have sent some test mails to some firends and have observed dear indication and feel freer to hook up in it in you own accord as en engan or a friend to enga.

wishing all very well and merry christmas 2008

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NARO
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Date Posted: Fri, Dec 05 2008, 01:49:21pm

Larsen...add me in the email network. My email addy is pambai@dodo.com.au though!

Merry Christmas to you too and and a prosperous new year!

Cheers & God's blessings!
Philip

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