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Subject: Re: OPENS ENTRIES RULES


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Shell
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Date Posted: 16:51:06 05/22/03 Thu
In reply to: Tim 's message, "Re: OPENS ENTRIES RULES" on 14:00:03 05/22/03 Thu


I have been approached by numerous individuals from both Cambridge and other universities, who perceive a problem with the current system of "self-policing". There do seem to be individuals who are not progressing through the novice-intermediate-advanced levels and who do not feel it is appropriate to move up a level until they have won the previous level, despite being a finalist in the previous level and/or a mixed team finalist and despite the majority of people of a similar level who they dance against in the team match, dancing at the higher level.

In order to ensure people progress through the levels the proposed change is as follows:

Keep 2.1.5.2

2.1.5.4
An individual must dance in advanced if they made an intermediate final at IVDA or an equivalent
competition in a previous year or if they have made A team, mixed open, mixed team or
advanced finals in that discipline during the same academic year.

2.1.5.5
A individual must dance intermediate if they made a novice final at IVDA or an equivalent competition in a previous year.


I think maybe Tim thinks self policing works because there are universities that feel strongly about placing dancers in the level appropriate to them. Would there have been complaints if I had danced in novice this year (I was a novice finalist 3 years ago , but my team partner was a novice)? I felt this would have been inappropriate therefore I enetered advanced with another partner and encourgaed people in a similar situation to do the same.

Complaints were made to me that other individuals are not adhering to the same guidelines. Making these rules will ensure that genuine intermediates are not denied the chance for a fair competition, or that people avoid dancing at all. I would like to avoid a scenario whereby dancers come off the floor and complain why are X&Y in the same level as us, when X&Y got much better results last year and throughout the year and are not comparable. I would like the remove the feelings that have been expressed that X&Y are dancing down just to win a trophy. We should encourage people to progress through the levels, and I am concerned that people are flooding the intermediate levels when they could be making rounds in advanced.

There are obviously difficult cases, but I think people should eb aware of the opportunities to dance with another partner in the opens if it means the partnership is of a more appropriate level.

I think it has to be done on whether a dancer in making finals in a certain level rather than number of years dancing; that would be easier to police and it's a fairer indication of a dancer's standard.


>Neither of the two Intermediate winners would have
>made a round in advanced.

They are making mixed team finals though and have therefore demonstrated that they are of the standard that the rest of the people in advanced are at. I think we need to address why people do not want to dance at their appropriate level. From people I have spoken to it does not seem to be because of costuming issues or which dances they have to do.

How can anyone, therefore,
>claim they were dancing out of standard? Casting my
>mind back, I can't really think of any particular
>contentious cases except possibly Stuart and Helen in
>Intermediate a year ago. Nonetheless, one dubious case
>in 4 years is not that bad.

However there are couples not dancing because they are being advised that they would be in an inappropriate level if they were to dance. I think we need to ensure that the system gets abused no further.

Large numbers
>could be expected to dance up to advanced.

I don't believe large numbers are currently dancing up to advanced and we need to ensure that advanced competitors have more than a straight semi to contend with.

I think the fault of the UK circuit is that it turns you into someone with an ability just to dance one of your team dances, learning the other 3 or 4 dances in your discipline, does more to increase the credibility of the university circuit with open compeitions and woul encourage more student dancers to enter the open circuit when they leave.

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In support of rulesA17:01:09 05/22/03 Thu
Re: OPENS ENTRIES RULESTim17:26:02 05/22/03 Thu
Re: OPENS ENTRIES RULESTim17:30:09 05/22/03 Thu


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