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Date Posted: Thu, 03/27/03 2:20am
Author: sunny
Subject: Re: Christianity and War .....
In reply to: bowdrill 's message, "Re: Christianity and War ....." on Wed, 03/26/03 1:22pm

>yes sunny, you get very defensive when people have
>asked about this "OSHO"...or you don't respond at
>all(?). passive aggressive??
>
>I was wondering as I was reading the "OSHO" comments
>wheather his followers consider him a god? because you
>had stated before that the Ragneesh guy was dead, but
>had taken on the name "OSHO" before he died.
>
>so that brings me to ask, "do his followers consider
>him a god, since somebody is writing in his name?? or
>expressing thoughts as if it actually comes from the
>"OSHO". does "OSHO" mean god?
>
>Or is he really dead? maybe he's alive and just hiding
>from the IRS?
>just wondering is all.

Hi Bow --
Didn't mean to shortchange you on the discussion before, just didn't know whether you were pullin' my leg or not, so
tried to keep it lite :o).

As far as I know, no one is "speaking for" Osho these days ..... the first quote was taken from his recorded discourses back in 1985 [Chapter title: "The good shepherd -- the butcher's friend" 16 January 1985 pm in Lao Tzu Grove], and the second one was even earlier, I think, probably back in the 70's before he came to the US ..... it was posted recently on the sannyasin list because it relates so closely to what we're experiencing now, I think, not because he just said it :o). If he were alive, I don't think he'd be "hiding" anywhere .... he just loved the spotlight, would probably be in the thick of the action, Baghdad even, if he'd been asked, who knows ?? :o)

No, as far as I know Osho merely means "beloved master" --- it's a zen title that has been used in the past to refer to
enlightened teachers, or those considered to have been enlightened by their disciples .... but then the whole concept is different in Buddhism and Jainism [Rajneesh was born into a Jaina family], no old man seated on a throne with courtiers bowing, LOL ..... just a vast universal mysterium, an underlying emptiness/void/womb that is the inner underlying reality of everything around us, from rocks and trees and stars to our own souls ..... not so different from what you describe below when you say "i feel that there is an energy which is neither good nor bad and is pervasive throughout the universe. anybody can access that energy."

The only difference, really, is that the buddhist path suggests that the deeper the seeker goes into that communion with the sacred, the more "the personality" is seen as something learned/cultivated, not one's original experience ..... and when the "personality" itself drops away, the "original experience" is universal and utterly indistinguishable from the whole ..... so a 'realized' being hasn't "become" god, they've merely dropped-out of any awareness of separateness or individuality .... sounds really strange, no? a totally different view of what religiousness is and what life is for ...... but immensely meaningful, to me anyway ......


>but as to your question about christianity and war; I
>think every nation of people were given a set of
>instructions to live by. they were given their own
>language to communicate with, ergo their own way of
>talking among themselves of their perception of god,
>and of addressing that entity.
>
>I feel that when a people truely follow their given
>path, then they can actually realize true happiness
>and awareness of the sacred...right here on the mother
>earth. i feel that there is an energy which is neither
>good nor bad and is pervasive throughout the universe.
>anybody can access that energy. thats why people were
>given certain things they were born with to teach
>them. if they listen to those teachers, then they can
>learn for themselves about the power of the sacred.
>
>on the other hand. if they don't listen to those
>teachers, they only have their own mind and emotions
>to turn to, and thats where all this strife and
>contention comes in. IMHO.

Yes, on this we agree completely :o). the energy that isn't used creatively, ends up being used destructively :o((

peace,
sunny

PS: thought maybe you'd like this quote:

"Creativity is the quality that you bring to the activity that you are doing. It is an attitude, an inner approach - how you look at things.... Not everybody can be a painter - and there is no need also. If everybody is a painter the world will be very ugly; it will be difficult to live! And not everybody can be a dancer, and there is no need. But everybody can be creative.

Whatsoever you do, if you do it joyfully, if you do it lovingly, if your act of doing is not purely economical, then it is creative. If you have something growing out of it within you, if it gives you growth, it is spiritual, it is creative, it is divine. You become more divine as you become more creative.

All the religions of the world have said God is the creator. I don't know whether he is the creator or not, but one thing I know: the more creative you become, the more godly you become. When your creativity comes to a climax, when your whole life becomes creative, you live in God. So he must be the creator because people who have been creative have been closest to him. Love what you do. Be meditative while you are doing it - whatsoever it is!"

Osho, A Sudden Clash of Thunder, Chapter 4.

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