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Date Posted: Thu, 03/27/03 7:59am
Author: bowdrill
Subject: Re: Christianity and War .....
In reply to: sunny 's message, "Re: Christianity and War ....." on Thu, 03/27/03 2:20am


>
>Hi Bow --
>Didn't mean to shortchange you on the discussion
>before, just didn't know whether you were pullin' my
>leg or not, so
>tried to keep it lite :o).

No Sunny, I wasn't pullin your leg last time. And I don't know how you could've got that idea. Because I remember very well what it was that I asked about in regards to what your "teacher" wrote. Which was that "indians were given things by the U.S. govt in exchange for the land" (paraphrasing).

That statement bristled my hair and it still does. I asked you if he had ever changed that idea after he had lived here, and you said as far as you know he hadn't because he liked to make statments that were dranmatic, or something to that effect.

That sure as hell doesn't sound like some enlightend person to me, to make statements just so he can get attention. sounds more like he was more into self-indulgence than anything else.
I was in my midteens when he was being reported on in the news back then and he sounded more like somebody that took advantage of the climate of "hippie" back then, early 70's. Like an early David Karesh.

> If he were alive, I don't think he'd be
>"hiding" anywhere .... he just loved the spotlight,
>would probably be in the thick of the action, Baghdad
>even, if he'd been asked, who knows ?? :o)
>
>The only difference, really, is that the buddhist path
>suggests that the deeper the seeker goes into that
>communion with the sacred, the more "the personality"
>is seen as something learned/cultivated, not one's
>original experience ..... and when the "personality"
>itself drops away, the "original experience" is
>universal and utterly indistinguishable from the whole
>..... so a 'realized' being hasn't "become" god,
>they've merely dropped-out of any awareness of
>separateness or individuality .... sounds really
>strange, no? a totally different view of what
>religiousness is and what life is for ...... but
>immensely meaningful, to me anyway ......
>
well it is different really, from ndn ways from the past and even now. I have met ndn people that can actually heal others, or at least they're the conduits that the healing comes through. And those same ndn people don't ask for anything but tobacco. They don't ask for a fleet of limo's or a throng of followers. But they do teach that anybody can access that energy if they want to.

It sounds like the "OSHO" had a lot of "personality" according to your discription above, i.e., cultivated.

In dineh, the word is yii'niih, which is a word that has a long meaning, i.e., that the person knows things that are mysterious and from a deeper realm but is relevant to life as we know it here and now. and with that knowledge, the person can help with healing and or guidance towards living in balance and harmony.

in dineh, the "original experience" is not as you describe in OSHO'ism. It seems from your discription that OSHO'ism is to gather a following as you become more 'realized'. But in dineh ways and other ndn ways that I know of, it's not like that. Which is not to say that no ndnz do that. You no doubt have heard of some 'famous' ndn medicine people. Well, those guys are not whom i'm talking about. The onez I'm talking about, you have never heard of and probably never will.

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