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Date Posted: 02:46:21 05/31/05 Tue
Author: Silk
Subject: Re: Anakin, Padme, etc.
In reply to: Flair4theGold 's message, "Re: Anakin, Padme, etc." on 05:54:32 05/30/05 Mon

I would've preferred that the prequels finished about 5 years into the lives of Luke and Leia. By then they could've explained certain things - i.e. that the Emperor and Vader were monitoring Luke until he was a suitable age to be turned, and that Leia knew her mother until she died.

Your explanations are good, F4tG, but they involve a rationalization that the movies should've done themselves. If you have to do the movie's work for it, then it's storyline hasn't been realized to its fullest potential.

But as for this stuff in general ~

* if the Emperor were to admit to Vader some 10 years later that he has a kid (Luke), I think that Vader would be pretty pissed at being lied to. Remember, there's still some good in him. If he learns he's been manipulated, I don't think he'd sit back blithely and accept it.

* the whole Leia admission is a contradiction. The inference is that Leia's referring to her biological mother. I know you can twist it to suggest she's referring to her adoptive mother (even if she doesn't know she's adopted up to that point), but if that's the case it betrays the emotion behind that conversation she and Luke have.

* your Yoda hypothesis doesn't entirely work because Qui-Gonn, and then Obi-Wan, apprentice a young Anakin despite Yoda and the Council's protests. This would suggest that apprentices don't have to go through the Academy and Yoda, and that they can be immediately apprenticed to a Master. To me, this would seem the case with Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wann. Moreover, even if Yoda instructed Obi-Wan when Obi-Wan was young, it still seems he gets the bulk of his education from Qui-Gonn.

There's a number of contradictions and silly continuity errors between the Prequels and the Originals. For example . . .

* in A New Hope Obi-Wan appears to be in his 70s, (and could indeed be older if he's sustained by the Force), which would mean that he'd have to be in his 50s in Revenge of the Sith. Obviously that's not the case, unless he's remarkably well-preserved and didn't graduate from his apprenticeship until his late 40s.

* the same timeline would suggest that Anakin's only in his early 40s by the time of Return of the Jedi and that this Empire only spans the lives of Luke and Leia. How old are they? 17? 20? 25? Pretty shitty Empire. Anyway, in A New Hope one of the subordinates refers to the Force as "an ancient religion." I know you can twist it to mean that it's a reference to the origins of the Force and Jedi, but it seems to me that it's been considerable time since the Jedi were around. BTW, where's Grand Moff Tarkin? And how'd he supplant Vader in the time in-between Sith and Hope, as it seems Vader's subordinate to him?

* in Jedi, Obi-Wan tells Luke that Anakin was an "accomplished pilot" when they met. What constitutes being an "accomplished pilot"? Being a pod-racer? Accidentally flying a fighter into the frayer in Menace?

* again, I have to point to the length of Luke's education as a Jedi in Empire and the discontinuity from Empire to Jedi. You explained it nicely down below, but it's still inconsistent with the philosophies established behind becoming a Jedi.

* how the hell couldn't the Jedi sense that Palpatine was the Sith Lord? How inept are they?

Finally, I saw the Originals over the weekend and realized that by her whining throughout the trilogy, Leia should've been recognized sooner as a Skywalker.

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