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Date Posted: 13:35:13 08/28/03 Thu
Author: John Scott
Subject: Well Lissa, the reason I mentioned the experiences I had was just to let you know that I know what a bullet hole looks like, because it was implied I may have been wrong. Not likely. As for blanket statements, look around you, look at your tv. Whether you choose watch a program or not is just that, a choice. The fact is violence is very much on your tv stations, whether you personally watch it or not. Look in your schools, forget that I have had friends shot to death, or beaten to death, just take a look at your news and see how violent it is. D.C has one murder each day, while I was there, there were 5 in 3 days. That is just one city!>>>
In reply to: Lissa 's message, "John Scott, Why is your experiences in the military and a bike club indicative of the N Am experience in general? I used to go to my father's rifle matches and also know what bullet holes look like, but not because I live in N Am. Martina might be right to some extent, but I still would not put that big of a blanket statement across the entire continent. Why? Because I live here and that is NOT my experience. Even if what you described was a fair description of the memories of your long ago youth *wink* does that mean that things are still the same today? Sure, we don't have naked weather here but we have MTV and the Love Channel. I also exercize my choice of never bothering to watch anything violent. Neither do I care for skin flicks. I don't need to be a voyeur to enjoy nakedness and sex. Does that make me warped? >>>>>>>" on 12:52:10 08/28/03 Thu

And skin flicks? Excuse me deary, but I said nudity, which you automatically classified as "skin flick". Thank you for making my point for me. ;) As for people who have no hang-ups with nudity being voyeurs...well now it is you who has made a blanket statement. Don't throw rocks in a glass house Lissa.
Why do you get as you say "bothered" by my statement? Do you not believe in free speech? Am I not allowed to have my opinion? Is Martina not allowed to have one because she is not North American? Is it necessary to "save" us now? ;)

As a side note, I have been to a few big biker bashes here, and ther was no, I mean NO violence. People (caution, blanket statement: in gerneral-that means as a nation) do not condone violence here. No it is not a violence-free country, but the General rule is "No Violence". One sees this, it is very evident on the streets, and in the news.

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[> [> [> [> JS, I hope you do not think it was my post that was implying that you may have been wrong about the bullet holes! I thought I made it clear in my post by saying that I was NOT implying your were wrong. I hope that was clear? :) I just wanted to point out that I grew up in that area, have lived there and in the suburbs and now in the country and I've never seen so much as one myself. I can't think of ONE person I know that would find this a common thing. That it most certainly would NOT be normal as Martina suggested in her original post. The people of DC are well aware of the murder rate and NOT at all happy about it. They feel helpless to stop it and often disagree on just how to stop it. As far as blanket statements or assumptions go - I think they can be dangerous, hurtful and destructive. No one likes to be unfairly lumped into this type of stereotype, that does not reflect *them*, because of where they live. IMHO. -- Linda, 14:13:20 08/28/03 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> Me saying it would be "normal" to have bullet holes in cars is a result of the media. It is the America picture that gets published all over the world. I am glad I have you guys to actually get to know some truth. Even though I think JS is right with saying America condones violence and a strange attitude towards sexual openness. America as a nation, not every single individual of course! -- Martina, 15:13:01 08/28/03 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I will put a reply inside. :) - -- Linda, 10:31:24 08/29/03 Fri

It's a shame the media has to focus so much on the negative! But it's the same way here, unfortunately.

Martina, I would love to have you (and Antje too!) come visit and spend some time here with me! I think it might give you a more balanced view of America and Americans. I know just in the various places I have lived along the east coast, from Washington DC, to the suburbs out here more south and rural/country - myself I have a more balanced view of what we are all about, having come in contact with so many different types of folks. It was a real culture shock for me to go from living in the city to living here! It took me years to get used to it but now I am very happy.

I'm not saying there are not differences. And violence IS glorified often in movies and tv shows here, even Playstation games. It didn't used to be that tv shows showed it very graphically but that has changed, you see more violence on regular tv - along with the exposure to more nudity. *g*

It's been interesting discussing this and I think I've said more than my share! :) So I will cheerfully bow out now, however the offer to visit sometimes still stands. :)

Hugs,

Linda


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Thank you so much! Maybe that will come true one day. I would love to visit you!!! First comes Lissa though, she is waiting long enough already.*g* -- Martina, 15:08:54 08/29/03 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ok, getting in line behind Lissa, haha!!! :) -- Linda, 13:25:23 08/30/03 Sat


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[> [> [> [> Calm down, JS. No body implied you were wrong about knowing what a bullet hole looks like, we were just saying that we live in NA and we don't see them driving past us. I used the term "skin flick" loosely as a less than 1000 word way to say obvious nudity. It is hard for me to keep to the discussion of attitudes about nudity and violence when my comments are blown out of proportion like this and then having insult added on top. I end up having to defend myself for things I never said or meant, rather than enjoying a spirited discussion of an interesting topic. And FYI, the Laconia Bike Week happens not far from here and it has been years since there was any violence. -- Lissa, 14:13:25 08/28/03 Thu


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