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Spirit World

~~~Blessings to all who Journey here~~~

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Have fun!!

How do you celebrate halloween? -- Brenda, 11:41:24 10/29/03 Wed
I thought, that since we have such a spiritually diverse and open-minded group of people here, I would post this question: Do you celebrate Halloween? If so, how?

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For myself, Halloween is mainly just a fun time for my kids. We carve pumpkins, make halloween cookies, and the kids wear their costumes and go trick-or-treating in the neighbourhood. Not very spiritual for me, I know, but I get an enormous amount of pleasure from watching my kids have a great time! (NT) -- Brenda, 11:45:44 10/29/03 Wed
Yup, a kids holiday here and we celebrate with lots of chocolate!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 11:55:02 10/29/03 Wed
We don't have Halloween as a tradition here - we've loads of traditions, which have its source in some pagan ritual - but no Halloween in Germany. Lately, maybe during the last 5 years or so, shops began to pick up on the US Halloween, but it has no roots here. As for wearing costumes we do have Fasching/Karneval (Mardi Gras) in Febuary. But no trick or treat in any case. - Brenda, did you see my massage on the SB a couple of days ago? It scrolls so fast away overthere! (NT) -- Antje, 13:21:30 10/29/03 Wed

hahhahaha, I meant message! LOL - In case you hadn't seen it. Andrea showed us piccis from Surrey and gave Martina your bag :-) But I guess she e-mailed you already? Anyway, it was nice to "see" you :-) (NT) -- Antje, 13:25:55 10/29/03 Wed

Hi Antje. Yes, I did see your message on the SB. I have decided that, in the future, I will not stand beside Colly in a photo. She is such a wee little thing and my hips looked a tad bovine-like next to her petite little self *g* I was glad to meet Andrea and finally learned how to pronounce your name properly! (NT) -- Brenda, 13:45:06 10/29/03 Wed

oh Brenda, I didn't see any hips on ANY pictures!! You AND Colly are two beautiful women, I find you look like an italian movie star (do you have italian ancestors?) and Colly like an Angel or a Fairy!!! I love both your hair, Collys and yours, I'd give something to have hair like either one of you! :-) - as for my name, well it's hard on English tongues :-) (NT) -- Antje, 02:53:29 10/30/03 Thu

Antje...you are very sweet. My mom is Italian and my Dad is a Wesh Celt...how's that for a combination? (NT) -- BrendaF, 21:24:10 10/30/03 Thu

wow!!! see!!??!?!!! Hahhahaa, I knew it! :-) and I really didn't know it! LOL (NT) -- Antje, 04:20:33 10/31/03 Fri

So do the rest of us get to see these pictures???? Not that I wouldn't mind coming to a Ladies' Night to see them myself *wink* (NT) -- Lissa, 14:36:22 10/31/03 Fri

I am wondering if Andrea can post them in one of our photo albums, perhaps? Andrea??? Btw, Andrea, after Surrey, I will always associate you with the phrase "No f***ing way!". This was Andrea's comment when confronted with canned haggis as part of a "Hosed Fear Factor" that was played. (NT) -- Brenda, 19:24:04 10/31/03 Fri

Geez, thank you both for the compliments -when I feel really out of shape! Brenda you looked great. I sent that picture to Ian and he loved it! *g* (NT) -- Colly, 09:59:34 10/30/03 Thu

I'm glad he liked the pic. That skirt you had on was too cute for words...a red tartan mini skirt...woo hoo! (NT) -- Brenda, 21:27:14 10/30/03 Thu

I am a celtic pagan (mostly druidic in practice mixed with a little bit of alot of other stuff) and I celebrate this both as "The Feast of the Dead" honoring our ancestors and the Celtic New Year. It's a time when the growing things have died and we enter a new phase of the year. I am celebrating with a close friend up in Canada this weekend (yay - a girls weekend!) and we will do a traditional celtic "Samhain" ritual. Hope everyone's Halloween is fun, scary & booooootiful (sorry, I couldn't resist). And happy Samhain to those who are followers of that. (NT) -- Lori, 20:34:30 10/29/03 Wed
I don't celebrate halloween. Not for any religous or spiritual reason, just that it isn't celebrated in Australia. (NT) -- KatieM, 04:03:04 10/30/03 Thu

When I was younger, there was alot more mischief going on. Now it's pretty much all about the Trick or Treat. Teenagers used to smash pumpkins in the streets, throw eggs at everything, and throw toilet paper around (ingeniously called "toiletpapering" haha What you do is hold the end of the roll and then throw the roll so that it all comes out like a big long streamer. If you do it right, you can decorate entire trees and statues.) Oh and we can't forget about spraying shaving cream all over the place. You get the idea. These days, there are specific hours for trick or treat and the big kids have parties, if they don't still go out to get as much candy as possible. My 10 yr old and 13 yr old both have friends coming over because this is a nice big neighborhood. *G* My 17yr old has a party to go to. I pass out candy while my husband goes with my little one. And it will be nice weather, too. (NT) -- Lissa, 14:45:32 10/31/03 Fri

Oh Lissa, in Friday's front page newspaper there was a pic of a town in CT. One street had every tree TP'ed. Wanted to post it here as an explaination to your post but unfortunately this pic is not online at the newspaper:(! Around here mischief night is almost nonexsistent. There were a few spots of toilet paper morning after halloween. I wondered if those houses didn't have candy?! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:12:01 11/03/03 Mon

hehehe I'll bet it's a wonderful sight. (NT) -- Lissa, 10:27:24 11/05/03 Wed

Ghosts -- Lissa, 23:31:33 10/30/03 Thu
It being Halloween week, our local newspaper had a whole section on haunted restaurants. Not only have people had experiences at these places, there is now a group that goes around and tries to get scientific measurements of ghostly activity. Here's his site.... http://www.neghostproject.com/ Wish I could find my cheat sheet on how to do a link. I was just reading the site and saw that there is a German tv crew in town! How cool is that?! Our friends in Germany will have to see if this is something they'd be able to see.

Anyway, in one description in the newspaper article, he says the following...
"The building was built in the 1850s from local brick and stone, both act as kind of sponges for spiritual activity. Leading authorities on ghosts suggest spirits have the potential to travel with a building as part of the stones. Assuming this is true, some of the spirits within the building may have been imported from other locations."

What do you think of this?

Also this.... "When investigated by {the ghost hunter}, he discovered all the video he had shot of interviwews with employees and later investigations of the premises were blank. He also reported battery packs in cameras and other electronic equipment would go dead, and then spring back to life a short time later. This is a common occurrence among ghost hunters who believe a spirit's presence can drain batteries and often affects anything electronic."

The Ghost Hunter has this to say... "Really, I am after the Holy Grail of ghost hunting. Scientific proof the paranormal exists. There is a whole unknown realm we're dealing with. That's what makes it interesting."

What do you think about proving there are ghosts? Do you think that there would ever be a picture good enough to do that? I know people who now believe in ghosts, but only because they have met up with one! haha

Happy Halloween everyone! And remember, this is the night where the veil between this world and the other is the thinnest. You don't know who will be on the prowl tonight, so bring your jack-o-lanterns along to scare away the evil spirits. MMMWAHhahahahaha!!!!

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Proof that ghosts are real would be wonderful. It would change the world view of many people. The entire science world would have to rethink life itself and their theories about it. Because there is no statement "yes, ghosts exist" without a bunch of consequences. IF ghosts exist, who are they? Our relatives that died? If so, it is proof for a life after death. If so, we are eternal beings. If so the bible isn�t quite right. If so church must rethink too. If ghosts spook around, why are they not in hell? Or heaven? It would screw up a lot of beliefs, haha. (NT) -- Martina, 03:31:54 10/31/03 Fri
More inside>>> -- Martina, 03:47:10 10/31/03 Fri

Thoughts on crystals and their powers -- Ann (not intending to usurp's Linda petition for prayer...), 18:53:55 10/24/03 Fri
Hey, Everyone,
I have been thinking quite a bit about crystals/stones and where their metaphysical power/properties come from. We know, because science has told us, that crystals/stones get their various colours from their mineral compositions. A higher concentration of one mineral or another can create a different color within the same crystalline structure, amethyst and citrine for example. So the question I pose is this, do the varied metaphysical properties some how tie into the mineral compositions, or is it something else???

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Ann, I don't feel this takes away from my post at all. :) I don't know the answers to your questions but I'm looking forward to the responses from others! I was just reading in the Fairy book about how meditating on rocks can help you connect with your angels. They are vibrationally connected to mother earth and carry the energy of spirit. (NT) -- Linda, 09:20:20 10/25/03 Sat
Man has recognized the vibrations or "power" of stones since the beginning of time. Just as herbs possess energies of various kinds, I believe stones do too. Each stone has it's own vibration & it's own power, just as most things in the Universe do. Linda said it very well, stones are connected & part of the Earth & therefore carry the energy of spirit. They are part of the structure of the earth, the very foundation of our "home". Also I think color has alot to do with their properties. Most green stones are associated with healing (a main color associated with the Earth) & also money/abundance. Pinks & reds are the affection stones associated with our red hearts and our lifes blood. The pale blue of blue lace agate is calming to look at & eases our mind etc. As to the correlation between the colors and/or compositions & the metaphysical properties go I'm not sure. I think the answer is one of many mysteries connected to Universe that we are here to ponder. Cool question! (NT) -- Lori, 01:40:31 10/26/03 Sun
Good Question Ann, I would say yes. I like to think of it like a radio, if we want to hear country music we will "tune" to a different channel than a rock station. Minerals vibrate at different frequencies, so we need only choose the correct mineral to enhance what we seek. Metaphysical properties may make the vibrations sound super natural, but they are a part of life, part of nature. Some things are dead, like cement if you put a battery on cement it will drain until empty, but if you put a piece of wood between the cement and battery, the battery will not die. We are bio-electric beings, and therefore the vibrations of our surroundings will affect us as in the example of the battery. Colors are frequencies too, a rose quartz vibrates at a different frequency than white quartz. There are many factors involved, but we can learn what affects what and use them to our advantage. :) (NT) -- John Scott, 14:50:02 10/28/03 Tue

About living your dreams! -- Martina, 04:07:20 10/21/03 Tue
I got this and thought it�s something for here. Inside first reply, because it is looong.*g*

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This way to something inspiring >>> -- Martina, 04:09:58 10/21/03 Tue

I love this! Very inspiring yes! I know I"ve got that voice in my head, I am working on being more aware of it and therefore giving it less power. I'll try the tips mentioned. :) (NT) -- Linda, 12:38:39 10/21/03 Tue
I can hear Churchill ringing in my ears....We have met the Enemy and it is Us...Is this true or what????? We are the force that limits our achievments. It is we ourselves that cause so much pain for us. Just think what we could do if we were unencumbered by our own fears!?! (NT) -- Betsy, 15:37:11 10/23/03 Thu
The first thing that comes to my mind is the saying "there's nothing to fear but fear itself". So true. I hear that little voice in my head on a daily basis and it's when I ignore it completely (and boy do I feel rebellious when I do that), that I feel happiest. Another thing I've heard regarding this little voice is that it's the other side of good - the evil that puts doubts in our minds to create conflict. I'm not sure I believe that but I've read about it several times. One of the hardest things people do is try to focus on who they really are. So many don't know and spend so much time trying to "figure it out" rather than just "being". Does that make sense? It's late and I had to watch the 1st Lord of the Rings movie for the umpteenth time! (NT) -- Lori, 01:52:09 10/26/03 Sun

A Plea for Prayer -- swvaLinda, 09:02:50 10/23/03 Thu
I have a favor to ask, I hope you don't mind. I would like to ask that anyone that reads this message take a few moments and pray for peace and light in Iraq, for the troops that are stationed there and the people that live there as well. If you could also take a few seconds and imagine my husband Doug surrounded by Guardian Angels and the White Light of Love and Protection that will return him safely home (and soon!), that would be wonderful.

Thank you,

Linda

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Will do, Linda...consider him prayed for and protected. (NT) -- Betsy, 12:59:02 10/23/03 Thu
Done! I added him to my prayer/reiki list long ago. (NT) -- Martina, 04:33:26 10/24/03 Fri

Thanks so much ladies!!! :) :) (NT) -- Linda, 07:13:45 10/24/03 Fri

of course we don't mind!!! Doug is in my daily prayers as you know ! (((hugs))) (NT) -- Antje, 10:20:13 10/24/03 Fri
Linda, I think of you and Doug often. I hope he gets the call to come home soon. (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 15:46:41 10/24/03 Fri
Hi Linda, of course I'll be praying for your husband, You can ask the ladies here, not long ago it was me asking for the very same prayers while DH was deployed over there... So yes he is in my mind with all our big military family.... (NT) -- IsabelleKiltup, 19:17:49 10/24/03 Fri

Thanks again! The day I posted this my hubby had told me they spent the night being mortared and that several soldiers were injured. Luckily it was on the other side of base so he was not hurt. But these kinds of things happen all the time and sometimes my worry gets the better of me and I feel like I need some extra help. Prayer is the most powerful I believe! Isabelle, I must not have been on this board when you talked about your hubby but I'm sure you understand. Sometimes the burden feels so heavy I ask help from friends. I am learning not to see that as a weakness but sometimes it's hard. Hugs to you all!! (NT) -- Linda, 09:18:20 10/25/03 Sat

Asking for help is not a sigh not weakness, but an opportunity given to others to contribute their energy for something good. It takes real maturity to know that asking for help is a show of strength, because by doing so, we affirm that we are not entities with all the answers. By giving others a prayer opportunity, we add to the power of the prayer. Whether it s a Christian vantage point (Where two or three are gathered in My name, there am I in the midst of them) or an Earth-based spirituality (the power of three and the power of the joined circle), it is always better if there are more than one praying!!!! (NT) -- Betsy, 09:50:39 10/25/03 Sat

Ask away my friend. We are here for this very reason. My thot's, energy and prayers are with your hubby and all the men and women over there. (NT) -- Lori, 01:16:33 10/26/03 Sun

A TwoFer for October 23rd!! -- JeanClaire*, 15:47:09 10/22/03 Wed
Happy Birthday Ron!!!

And JeanClaire and Domingo's 10th Anniversary!!

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Congratulations, Jean Claire and Domingo! (and HB to me!) (Where is that train?) (NT) -- Ron, 17:19:11 10/22/03 Wed

Hey! I think I rode that train! Isn't it the Jacobite in Scotland, on its way to Mallaig? (NT) -- Ron, 17:21:42 10/22/03 Wed

You got it Ron!! I knew you would know the train. It was a toss up between that picture and the one where they changed the train into the Hogwarts Express!! Hope you have a happy day! (NT) -- JC*, 20:21:20 10/22/03 Wed

Happy Birthday Ron...hope it is a great one. Congratulations JeanClaire and Domingo....doesn't 10 years go by quickly? Hope you all have a great day! (NT) -- Brenda, 00:30:09 10/23/03 Thu
Best wishes and congrats to all of you guys!!! Ron, I can�t believe you recognized that train, hahaha. You could probably win one of those quiz shows with the train subject and make a fortune.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 04:41:08 10/23/03 Thu

Not really! If I had not ridden that train I could not have placed it. As it was, I had to download the picture then enhance the brightness and enlarge it to be sure. (NT) -- Ron, 06:29:41 10/23/03 Thu

WOW!!! I love two-fer's!!! Happy Birthday, Train-Boy! And here's to a day and night of wonder for you two, JC and Domingo!!! (NT) -- Betsy, 13:07:52 10/23/03 Thu
Many Happy Returns, Ron!!!!! See you for coffee soon!!! JC and Domingo!!! Wow-10 yrs!!! congratulations. May you enjoy this wonderful day and here's wishes for all the happiness to continue!!! (NT) -- Keira, 02:52:21 10/24/03 Fri
Herzlichen Gl�ckwunsch nachtr�glich Ron!!!! (happy belated b-day *G*) I'm sorry I'm late!!!! JC and Domingo!!! I hope you had a wonderful day!!! (NT) -- Antje, 10:15:25 10/24/03 Fri

Dankesehn, Antje! (NT) -- Ron, 16:39:14 10/24/03 Fri

We had a lovely family celebration last night. The kids always help with what they call anniversary restaurant. :) Then for our after dinner entertainment, Betsy put on her jazz shoes and made up a dance to "I'm a Believer!" And then an improv tap dance all while her brother was the lighting crew with a flashlight. Nice to see our dance class tuition $$$ being put to some use!!! Domingo and I will celebrate privately on Saturday night. Now if I could just find something nice to wear:)!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*Thanks for all your good wishes, 15:51:17 10/24/03 Fri
Ron, I'm late on this one, over here but Happy Birthdayyyyyyyy (NT) -- IsabelleKiltup, 19:19:03 10/24/03 Fri
Happy birthday Ron!!! And also a very happy anniversary JC & Domingo - sorry so late everyone. You're all still in my thot's!! Hope you all had wonderful celebrations! (NT) -- Lori, 01:14:37 10/26/03 Sun

More tales from my journey... -- Lissa, 10:29:35 10/22/03 Wed
Sorry I went missing there, for anyone interested in hearing about my trip. I had alot of catching up to do around here and a few other new things popped up as well. I haven't even had a chance to come and read the boards, but I will do that when I am done posting here, if I have enough time before my next appointment.

After we left Lourdes, we headed out along the Pyrenees to visit sites that have connections to Mary Magdalene. How many of you have read DaVinci Code? If you were intrigued by that, then you must get ahold of "The Woman with the Alabaster Jar; Mary Magdalen and the Holy Grail" by Margaret Starbird. The author speaks at length about the 'heresies' (it was heresy to bypass the church of Rome) of the middle ages that prompted the Roman church to come out and clean things up with their inquisitions. The Cathars in Southern France were a particular target, in part because some of their beliefs were tied to Mary Magdelen and the balance of Feminine Divine. This is the area we wanted to explore a bit.

We found our way to Montsegur, south of Toulouse, which was the last holdout of the Cathars and supposedly an ancient holy site dedicated to Isis, all on the top of a magnificent rocky mount. I forget how to do a link, but here: http://self.citaenet.com/Site/2099.asp Somewhere we had read that Mary Magdalen had visited there when it was a holy site, obviously long before the Cathars were there. We stayed in the lovely town of Mirepoix and then hiked to the top of Montsegur in the morning. We had a lovely meditation up there and the energy of the place was wonderful. We hiked down, managed to convince the only open restaurant in a nearby town to serve us lunch after a couple of tables cleared, and then hit the road for Rennes les Chateau, which is mentioned in all kinds of books as having some kind of connection to Mary Magdalen and all the stories that go along with her.

We were still on the edge of the Pyrenees, so the drive was interesting and curvy, up and down, many times with great views of vast vallies. Once we got to Rennes-les-Chateau, we were disappointed to find that it was more of a tourist trap than any kind of good energy center. We decided that whatever was once there was gone. The church did not have that mystical feel that fills you like in so many other old churches or mystical sites. Even the bookstore was filled with books that had very contradictory messages from each other, rather than supporting one kind of thread. It was a bit disappointing, but we figured that it is good to get a feel for something that is NOT what you expected, just so that you know what that feels like. Now when I read things about Rennes-les-Chateau, I will be certain to continue keeping my mind open, not coming to any defined conclusions about the discussion at hand. We realized that we were done with whatever had drawn us in about the Cathars, we had gotten what we needed and it was time to switch gears.

We left there and checked out the hot springs at a neighboring town before cutting across to Narbonne near the Mediterrean Sea. This was one road I could have done without. I almost puked from all the curves. The woman driving is from a racing family and she had alot of confidence with her ability to handle the curves at maximum speed. hahaha At this point, we didn't care much about all the Cathar towns we drove thru nor about the varied scenery. We just wanted to make it to Narbonne in time to get a decent dinner. You see, in France, there are specific times during which meals are served and if you miss those times, you miss being able to eat. We didn't come to France to keep missing out on dining experiences, so we were determined to get to Narbonne in good time.

We did it, we got to the city in time to be seated for dinner. We found a nice looking place and ordered a really good meal, complete with wine. Everytime we managed to get ourselves to a good meal, we felt obliged to make a toast to ourselves. hahaha After dessert, we drove out toward the beach to find a place to stay on the Mediteranee. We were in luck. My friend and I took a nice walk while the others went to bed and I enjoyed the ocean breeze blowing across me. I never did get to swim the next day because the the breeze had turned into a vicious wind and I didn't feel like getting swept away in unfamiliar ocean currents. Oh well. It was nice to put my feet in the water and I brought home some sand and water to put next to my sand and water from the Pacific ocean.

More later, sorry if this went so long. As you can see, we did alot in one day which made it feel like we were gone for a month instead of just 10 days.

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I love hearing about your travels. The longer the better in my book! (NT) -- KatieM, 20:54:28 10/22/03 Wed
Lissa, your trip sounds absolutely amazing. Did you take any pictures while you were away? Would love to see some...I have to travel vicariously for the time being, so pictures really help *g*. (NT) -- Brenda, 00:32:16 10/23/03 Thu
How very very interesting! It is such a cool idea to travel on the path of someone special, if you know what I mean (don�t know how to say that exactly in English). I can relate to that missing a meal thing. Same here in Germany, haha. I�ve always hated that. Each time someone from overseas comes to visit castles here with us, we are there at odd hours when the restaurants are closed and we are hungry. It sucks, I can tell you. I look forward to hearing about another one of your ten days! (NT) -- Martina, 05:02:43 10/23/03 Thu
Lissa, beyond recognizing the name, I know very little about the Cathars. Is there a good book on who they were? Or can you give me a brief rundown??? How did they end? Your trip is facinating!!!! Keep the stories coming. (NT) -- Betsy, 15:28:23 10/23/03 Thu

Betsy, there's a fiction book on the Cathars and their fate in the book "All Things Are Lights" written by Robert Shea. I am not a big fan of non-fiction literature so this was perfect for me :-) I had never heard about the Cathars that way before, but I know that some religious groups are based on their beliefs. The Mont Segur was their sanctuary and the christians burned it down and killed all the people who lived there. The catholic church saw a threat in them, so they just killed them off. It's been pretty gruesome. (NT) -- Antje, 10:32:46 10/24/03 Fri

PICCIS and STORY about the Cathars and Mont Segur----------- >>>>>>>>>>>> links INSIDE -- Antje, 10:53:35 10/24/03 Fri

Thanks, Antje. Really interesting links. I just might need to read that book, too. The description of the "energy transfer" makes me think of Reiki. Were the Cathars in other countries beyond France? (NT) -- Betsy, 00:42:12 10/25/03 Sat

Betsy, I heard about Cathars in Bosnia who eventually vanished cause of the Islam, here's another link to some literature about the Cathars ---CLICKIT--- (NT) -- Antje, 13:18:02 10/25/03 Sat

Hi Lissa, so nice to hear about your trip. I keep saying I need to call you and see, still haven't done it yet! Ahahah I'm sorry I guess it's something I forgot to mention, restaurants opened only from 12:15 till 2:30 pm and 7:15 till 11:30 pm, I forgot about that myself and was a bit surprised this summer! Aahhhh the Mediterrannee, MY SEA ! Oh I miss it! (NT) -- Isabelle, 19:15:12 10/24/03 Fri

Im new on this board!! -- KatieM, 23:52:57 10/14/03 Tue
Hi. I was just on the social board and saw a reference to this board and decided to pop over for a look. I must say that this is a wonderful board with a beautiful..... atmosphere, if that is the right word. I have been to quite a few other board dealing with spirit guides, past lives, religions etc. and they are not nearly as tolerant as you all are. I have read through just about all the archives and have found many interesting discussions that I identify with and that have many different views. It is just so good to see that everyone takes other opinions and listen to them without taking them as something against your own beliefs. I have no real religion, I believe in a variety of things that fit no particular religion and it is comforting to see that I am not the only one who feels like this. I look foward to many more discussions which I will be able to participate in. I am no expert but I now I will feel free and comfortable to express my opinions here, without the fear of being ridiculed.

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Welcome KatieM!!! Yes, feel free to express your thoughts here, we are indeed a very tolerant group. I couldn�t find any other board like this either. Where do you live? Maybe you read it in all the posts, I am a German, living in Germany. Have fun posting away! (NT) -- Martina, 05:02:42 10/15/03 Wed
Welcome to the group, Katie!!! Glad you could join us. Yep, there's lots of us here with all different experiences and we're willing to discuss anything. Just jump right in and we'll talk about anything with you. (NT) -- Keira, 09:34:13 10/15/03 Wed
Welcome Katie. Dare I hope that you could possibly be living in the Pacific Northwest? I am in BC, Canada and seem to be the only one "from this neck of the woods" on this board. I am so excited that I get to meet Andrea in Surrey tomorrow and will see Colly there again as well. Again, welcome. (NT) -- Brenda, 13:45:20 10/15/03 Wed
Welcome Katie! Or should I say "welcome home" hahahahahaha. That's how I felt when I first found this board. We do have many different and interesting experiences that we've gone through and share. And it is very satisfying to find a place where no matter what you believe, everyone accepts you and we all learn from each other. Keep on posting! (NT) -- Lori (from Minnesota), 18:00:52 10/15/03 Wed
Welcome, Katie! Usually the only men who post here are me and John Scott, who is married to Martina. Quite a story! I'm single and not really looking. Enjoy the banter, and the serious discussions too. (NT) -- Ron, 22:19:28 10/15/03 Wed
Welcome Katie!! Jeannie here from the northwestern highlands of CT! Have fun. (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:44:51 10/16/03 Thu
Thanks for your warm welcomes everyone. I am from Tamania, Australia. But not for much longer, I am moving interstate Whoo !! YOu all sound like such a lovely bunch of people.. I cant wait to start posting!!! (NT) -- KatieM, 20:33:07 10/16/03 Thu

That was meant to say Whoo hoo. Pressed enter instead of shift!! (NT) -- KatieM, 20:34:36 10/16/03 Thu

Hi Katie!!!! I think we know each other from the last LOL chat marathons :-) How you're doing girl??? You're moving? Why? Where? hehehe (NT) -- Antje, 09:30:50 10/20/03 Mon

Yep. Thats me!! I don't get to chat very much any more the times. Which is a bit of a pity. I get confused with the times. haha. I am moving to western australia, as two of my good friends have recently moved over there and I have just got a bit restless. Tasmania is a small place and I think its time I spread my wings for a little while. Anyway, Im up for an Adventure, I've never even been to Western Australia before. SO its very exciting (NT) -- KatieM, 05:39:16 10/21/03 Tue

I can imagine and I think you're very courageous to do so! I wish you all the best and an eventless move, but an exciting time :-) (NT) -- Antje, 05:23:20 10/22/03 Wed

Spirit Signs -- swva Linda, 13:17:43 10/16/03 Thu
Hey Ladies!

Antje, do you remember when I told you I went walking on Doug and my anniversary and I surrounded myself with 4 archangels, I do this sometimes when I walk or jog. It's like a meditation for me. Anyway, that day as usual I had
surrounded myself with Gabriel on my right (for company and to bring the message of God), Michael on my Left (strength and stamina), Rafael (healing) behind me and Uriel (lights you to the way of God) in front of me. I had learned about this meditation in one of my magazines, Spirituality and Health. A gentlemen there wrote that he did this when he ran.

Anyway, I knew I'd need some extra emotional support that day so I did this and also called on my Guardian Angel to be there in spirit and help me through it since Doug was away, in Iraq (and still is for that matter). I walk around a figure 8 track that's set up behind the church, and around a cemetary, behind my MIL's house. Partway through my walk I felt all the hairs stand up on one of my arms. Like a feeling of static electricity, only I just felt it there, no where else. It wasn't like goose bumps but just that feel of electricity and when I looked down at my forearm every hair was standing on end, I fould feel the tingle of electricty, it was almost like a tickle. I kept going and tried to see if it could be anything else causing it, if it happened while walking through a certain area. I'm walking on pavement now, no grass. It had started when I walked by my favorite tree and I always mentally convey to that tree how much I love it and how beautiful it is. But it stayed with me the entire time for the rest of that walk.

So I assumed that maybe that meant the angels and my spirit guide were with me since I've read that they have an 'electrical' charge because of their energy. This is making some sense right?

After that day it hadn't happened until last night, I was on the couch and picked up one of my newest books - Healing with the Fairies: Messages, Manifestations and Love from the World of the Fairies. I know Doreen has written many many books on angels and is highly regarding in that genre. But I hadn't yet read anything by her and I picked up this book because for some reason I have been on this fairy kick lately, I got two pics for my bathroom that featured fairies and seem to be fascinated with them all of the sudden. Also, I'd never even considered that they might be real so I thought the concept would be fun to read about. I believe in Angels of course but never thought about fairies as anything other than mythical creatures. I started reading this book last night and became completely absorbed in, she describes fairies as part of the spiritual realm, they are very healing to humans and also guardians of plants and animals. She goes into more detail of course but I'll leave it at that because you get the point. All of the sudden while I was reading I felt this tingle on my left arm and I looked down and it was happening again, all the hairs on that arm were standing on end. I got this really euphoric feeling inside but was actually a little frightened because of it so I got up to walk around and I swear I felt this 'presence' and my other arm started to get that tingle and the hairs on that one started to stand straight out as well. For a moment I got scared again and immediately started praying for God to surround me with the white light of love and protection, something that nearly every book on spirituality I read will tell you to do, in some form another, when you feel you want to be protected.

It stayed with me for a while and so did that really happy feeling. I went to bed last night in the best of moods.

Has this ever happened to any of you?

Also, have you ever read something spiritual and just had it resonate with you? As if your soul was singing YES, this is it!!! This happened to me for the first time when I read the first book in the Conversations with God series. Also, I had this feeling last night while reading Healing with the Fairies.

It felt so good I'm ready to go out and buy half the books she's written! LOL Here is the Fairies one -

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561708070/ref=pd_luc_23_lc_a22x44/102-8696414-8130559

and this one has caught my eye -

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1401900488/ref=pd_cart_beg/102-8696414-8130559?v=glance

Hugs,

Linda

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Oops! I should have addressed this post to Ladies AND Gentlemen!! :) :) I had cut and pasted it from an email I had sent to Antje earlier today and did not correct it. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. :) (NT) -- Linda, 13:22:32 10/16/03 Thu
Hi Linda! I've studied fae things for several years now. I'm certainly no expert but have read some interesting things. Alot of people believe in fae beings. Some people think they are just little "spirits" or are akin to angels. For me, the jury is still out on whether I "believe" in them or not. One thing that makes sense to me that I read was when you're sitting reading or watching TV or something & you see something very small move very very quickly in your peripheral vision, that that is a fae. This has happened to me many times and although it sounds weird, it's one of those things that make you go "hmmmmmmm"? I have read in several periodicals that alot of fae can be very mischievous and downright ornry. I think there are all kinds of little spirits that we don't have the answers for - YET! The artist Froud has some wonderful faery books & my favorite faery artist is Amy Browne. Check out her site - she's an unbelievable artist! (NT) -- Lori a Big Time Faery Lover!, 23:30:31 10/16/03 Thu

Lori, here is how she describes them - The fairies, unlike the angels, have a physical body. It is a very light, etheric body, yet it has many of the same needs as a human body. Lots more descriptions in the book, you might like to pick it up sometime. :) (NT) -- Linda, 09:40:12 10/17/03 Fri

Just saying Wow!!! I have both Healing with the Faeries and Healing with the Angels if anyone wants to borrow them. (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:34:06 10/17/03 Fri
Wow! That sounds interesting. Hadn't heard them described that way. The little "things" I see out of the corner of my eye have shape but appear to be made up of light mostly. I'll check out that book this weekend. Now that I think of it. It could be faeries that tease my dog and 2 cats. They flip out sometimes for no apparent reason and start batting and chasing things that aren't even there - or are they? hehe (NT) -- Lori, 12:38:23 10/17/03 Fri

Lori, in this book she learns that people who are drawn to a certain being (such as fairies, angels etc), and decorate their houses with them and such, have more of them as guardian angels and around their yards and home. It's kind of a psychic invitation! :) (NT) -- Linda, 10:57:17 10/21/03 Tue

Hi Everyone, -- Isabelle, 14:07:54 10/16/03 Thu
I'm just amazed to see how many familiar names are back, I don't even know why I ended-up here when I have tons of things to do, but I'm wondering if it was a the "Spirit of our World" calling me back !
I'm really sorry if I don't show up here too often, I have a really hard time handling all at once. With my oldest starting middle-school it is an adjustment and a LOT of homework that keep us busy late at night, espcially those days she comes home late from a race.(she's in cross country and track). I've spent the whole summer in France, it was nice to be home and seeing the family but boy it was HOT! and I coughed the whole 6 weeks I was there, went to see the doctor twice, but nothing worked. I came back and after an other week of coughing and not breathing well, I went back to a doctor that diagnosed me with Asthmatic bronchitis. I guess I had to get into my 40's to start asthma! So I'm discovering the new world of Ventolin, Advair, Cingulair etc... Fun!!! Do you remember this commercial for Afrin when the guy wakes up and his whole head is a nose? Well that's pretty much how I feel except that I have the feeling that for the past 12 weeks my whole body is a pair of lungs attached to a throat! So I'm pretty exhausted all the time and haven't been able to resume any exercise!
So to talk about something else and nice, Lissa, I was wondering about your trip, I've got to call you so you can give me the detail of your trip. Everyone else, it so nice to see your names still around. Big Hugs to all..

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Hi Isabelle! Nice to see you post again. Glad to hear you got to spend time in France again but I'm sorry you had to go through all the asthma and bronchitis. No fun! My DH has asthma and he has a couple different inhalers too. I hope now that you're back it will get better for you. I remember that commercial and even tho' you feel like "The Nose", you're way to pretty to look anything like that hahahahahahaha. Hope you feel better soon and welcome back. (NT) -- Lori, 23:36:03 10/16/03 Thu
Hey Isabelle, you could email me about he asthma thing or I will try and grab you next time I see you on msn. My kids and I all have asthma in the fall. All started about 3 fall seasons ago. I never had asthma until then and I know how you feel. The kids are hooked up to nebulizer 3 times a day during October. Right now my DD(8) is coughing so hard even being on albuterol that she sounds like she's going to cough up a lung. Puir thing, so a call to the dr to see what else we can do for her. So far so good with me this season(knock on wood!!) I've been drinking herbal tea-nettles(yup-nettles) and gingko biloba. Some one told me to try taking 400mg of quercetin would help asthma sufferers. I like to try healthy things first but hard to change diet esp the kids. Here's to breathing freer soon. (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:31:37 10/17/03 Fri

Click here for Quercetin info I like Dr. Weil and go to him first with most medical queries. (NT) -- JC*, 07:42:13 10/17/03 Fri
Ok, it might have been ginko tea, now I can't remember. That's what I get for posting first thing in the morning when I am not awake!! I'll check later. (NT) -- JC*, 08:56:42 10/17/03 Fri

Oh Thank You Ladies, yeah it's a weird thing to find yourself with asthma when I never had it in my life? But I'm breathing ok with the medecine, I guess NJ is not helping my case, I should have stay in allergy free San Diego weather 'Sigh" Thanks JeanClaire, I'll check the link, and by the way if I call you JC I will be thinking of Jean-Claude hooohhhhhhooooo gorgeous vampire! so much better than dear old richard.. sorry Antje and Martina couldn't resist... (NT) -- Isabelle, 15:12:47 10/17/03 Fri

Hahahaha! I must admit he is gorgeous, but nevertheless - dead!*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 04:36:41 10/21/03 Tue

Just dropping in -- Keira, 10:09:03 10/15/03 Wed
You have all been in my thoughts a lot recently. I was listening to David Grey over the weekend and remembering the time that you, Antje, went to see him in concert and The Coors opened for him. At least I think it was Antje.

Viive!!!!!!!!!! I am sooo thrilled to see you back. It's been way too long since we have talked or had a visit. Me thinks I need a trip to Toronto-how's November 4th for you? Heeeheeee-I"m not letting you slip away from us again.

Martina-finally!!! You are back on line. Hey, thanks for keeping the discussions going. They've been verra verra interesting. I have been reading all the responses but have been sort of in a different place, been very busy with lots on my mind and really enjoyed reading rather than posting myself. I know that doesn't help the conversations but it was great to read them all.

Lissa!!!!!! Wow-what a trip. Never been to Lourdes but it was a place my aunts and grandmother used to go to frequently so I have all kinds of things from Lourdes. And what a way to travel-that's great. You obviously needed the trip. Good for you for taking the time you needed and enjoying the adventure.

I would love to go through everyone's name and write a little personal note to all-but I'm soo afraid I would miss someone and hurt someone's feelings so I'm gonna stop now. But I want to say hi to everyone, and welcome to any newbies and lurkers. I'm glad the board is moving and we are coming together again.
I'll be around-even if I can only lurk rather than post but you'll feel me here.

Hugs to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Good to hear from you again, Keira. I had a giggle at the beginning of your post, wondering if you meant the Corrs (from Ireland), or is there really a band called the Coors (a type of beer)? *g* (NT) -- Brenda, 13:42:23 10/15/03 Wed

Haaaaahaaaaahaaaa-wonder if that was a Freudian slip??? Was I really thinking Coors that early in the morning? Have a great time in Surrey-give everyone a hug for me. (NT) -- Keira, 13:57:49 10/15/03 Wed

Hey Keira, I have been lurking myself. Been pretty busy with school, soccer, soap, and trips to Canada. I'm Surrey bound as of 5am tomorrow. But maybe once I get back I will be able to jump in. Viive, good to see you around again. I may have a trip to Toronto in my near future, if so I will let you know. (NT) -- colly, 14:35:53 10/15/03 Wed

Hey, if you have a trip to Toronto planned to see you know who, you won't want to waste any time on us! Of course, we would be happy to meet you for coffee either coming or going! (NT) -- Ron, 22:16:52 10/15/03 Wed

Hi Keira! Good to see you post. Hope you'll be able to post more often. I can imagine how busy it must be with the kids getting older and in alot of different activities. I spose some of them will be dating soon (if they aren't already). Time goes so fast eh? Good to see you back Martina and Colly and anyone else going out to Surrey have a GREAT time!!!!! (NT) -- Lori, 18:06:36 10/15/03 Wed
Hi Keira! Yes it was me and Andrea who saw him with the Corrs a few years back in Frankfurt. Andrea will be with our dear pals in Surrey this year, the lucky chick :-) I wish all our Surrey travelers a safy journey and much fun!!!! (NT) -- Antje, 06:43:03 10/16/03 Thu
Welcome Back Keira! Glad you had a safe trip for Thanksgiving. I haven't listened to anything memorable lately just lots of celtic music. I do have a favorite CD of late-not celtic, called "Conversations With God" a Windham Hill Collection-"to hear is human, to listen divine" as it says on the back of the cover. A very nice collection with various new age artists-Yanni, Jim Brickman(love him), David Arkenstone(love him) and others along with a small booklet about the Conversations with God books and wonderful album cover art. (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:31:59 10/16/03 Thu

Found the artist site for the album cover called "The Lake" by Louis Jones. Look at the first pic on his site: The Lake The cd is available from amazon. Mine was a special from BMG music club. Check out the album here Windham Hill (NT) -- JC*, 07:41:08 10/16/03 Thu

Happy Anniversary Lori and Vern!! -- JeanClaire*, 13:27:23 10/09/03 Thu
Autumn Fae here to help you celebrate on October 10.

Hope you have a wonderful celebration!!

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Oh Lori and Vern!!!! Happy Happy Anniversary!!!! Enjoy your day together. (NT) -- Keira, 21:15:16 10/09/03 Thu
Oh Lori, I KNEW there was a reason I had to come here today! *hugging you tightly* happy happy anniversary to you and Vern! and lots of love! (NT) -- Viive, 01:13:58 10/10/03 Fri

Happy Anniversary, Lori and Vern! Viive! How are you? So good to see you here! We've missed you! (NT) -- Ron, 04:29:35 10/10/03 Fri

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY Lori and Vern! Wishing you a great day! (NT) -- Martina, 08:21:01 10/10/03 Fri
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY Lori and Vern!!! I wish you a WONDERful day!!!! (NT) -- Antje - great picture JC!!! :-), 10:31:05 10/10/03 Fri
Happy anniversary from me too! Enjoy your day! (NT) -- Ellen, 15:43:43 10/10/03 Fri
Thanks you guys! JC I LOOOOOOOOVE this fae. We went up to northern WI along the so. shore of Lake Superior over the weekend. The colors were just believable. I haven't seen color like that for a decade. We stayed in a rustic little cabin with a huge stone fireplace & a little trout stream beside it, did some hiking & tried to fish but it was too windy. Went through several art galleries & cool little shops. It was spectacular weather and rained only one night. Viive!!!!! I'm sooooo glad to see post. I'm sorry you have been in such pain. I've thot' about you so many times & should have contacted you long ago. Vern wanted to know if you've heard from Kirk. We'd like to get a message to him if so. I'll e-mail - I promise! And yes! We did see the harvest moon. It was a pale golden peach & stood right outside our picture window - like it was there as a big anniversary present from the Angels themselves. Thanks again you guys - we appreciate the thot's!! Hugs to all (NT) -- Lori, 21:35:10 10/12/03 Sun
Darn, I'm late! Hope you had a great day! (NT) -- Brenda, 00:59:45 10/14/03 Tue

A Delicate Question -- Ellen *waving at everybody - long time no see!*, 05:43:42 10/10/03 Fri
I just dropped by and found Viive's posting (hi there!!) and this reminded me of my own struggles in life. So, here's my question: those of you who have suffered much pain in some area of your life, no matter what - why do you think is it so difficult to let go? Why do parts of us literally CLING to pain? What is the gift presented to us by extreme pain? How do you personally deal with pain and avoid getting frustrated, helpless, into the victim mode and such?I've been dealing with this question for a long time now. What do you think? Sorry, this is quite short, but little Cora Lie is waking up and VERRA hungry *g*

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I went through a year of pain with some severe tendonitis & ended up having to have surgery finally. I guess I just got used to the pain after a while. It was kind of like going through the stages of losing someone whose died. I went through feeling sorry for myself (victim mode), then I got really angry - why is this happening to me and why won't it go away no matter what I try. Then I just got used to it and started using my other hand/arm for things. It tought me that I can adjust if I really want to. As to clinging to the pain. I believe there's something to that but I don't understand why some people do that and others just "deal" with it somehow and move on. Good question. You have an e-mail coming too - I have questions for you on the piece I'm working on for you! (NT) -- Lori, 21:42:10 10/12/03 Sun

A Hunters Prayer... -- Lori, 18:46:11 10/08/03 Wed
It's harvest season and this is something I wrote last year about this time. It was inspired by a brilliant harvest moon and a story I read about one of the Ancient Celtic Goddesses of the hunt. Enjoy and have fun crunching in the leaves and taking in the beautiful fall colors and the incredible display of love Mother Nature shows us every Fall.

A Hunters Prayer to the Goddess

A hunters moon golden glow
infuse my arrow & finest bow
Reach deep into the caldron fair
to find out what is lurking there

Feed on the strength of silver spire
raking flames & rising fire
Bring a bounty pure but true
to help the harvest & honour You

Your love I'm truly thankful for
leap fast inside to open the door
To see the russet hues you share
the finest things of which You bare

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beautiful, Lori! and I too marvelled at the Harvest Moon last night... (NT) -- V., 01:22:09 10/10/03 Fri

Keira's Birthday is Sept. 29!! -- JeanClaire, 15:31:15 09/26/03 Fri
Posting early so I don't forget:)!!

Hope you have a wonderful day Lady!

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Wishing you a very happy birthday on Monday, Keira. (NT) -- Brenda, 01:26:47 09/28/03 Sun
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KEIRA! (NT) -- Ron, 23:36:36 09/28/03 Sun
Happiest of days lady!! You deserve it!! (NT) -- Ceilidh/Christine--trying to get the hang of posting more often!, 12:07:22 09/29/03 Mon
Birthday Hugs to you Keira! Hope you have a wonderful day. (NT) -- Linda, 14:43:49 09/29/03 Mon
(((((Keira)))))) You know how much I treasure our friendship, Keira. You have been a blessing in my life and a joy to my spirit. Happy Birthday, Dear Friend. (NT) -- Betsy, 14:49:39 09/29/03 Mon
Thank you for all your good wishes!!!!! It's been a grand day, gorgeous weather, slow pace!!!! I know I've been a stranger here lately but have been lurking and reading the discussions with great interest. Hopefully life will slow down a bit and I'll get back to posting. (NT) -- Keira (with hugs to all), 10:03:46 09/30/03 Tue
As below, very late but wanting to wish you a Happy Birthday! (NT) -- Lori (I think that's my name, this IS planet Earth isn't it???), 18:54:03 10/02/03 Thu

Thanks, Sweetie. Sometimes I have no idea where I am or where I'm supposed to be!!!! Hope things are going well for you!!!! Miss you and everyone else on the boards. I promise I'll get home soon!!!! (NT) -- Keira, 13:15:16 10/07/03 Tue

((((((((Keira))))))))) I hope you had a really happy day! Sorry I've been such a stranger...sending you and your family a ton of love! (NT) -- viive, 01:15:47 10/10/03 Fri

Sometimes, you just got to go..... -- Lissa, 20:00:58 10/07/03 Tue
So....
I just spent 10 days in France chasing down the Feminine Divine with 4 other women. The Feminine Divine is all about being in the flow, so we went with a general idea of where we wanted to go, but the particulars were revealed to us as we went along. We rented a car and we ended up getting the deal of the century by paying only $300 for 8 days. How cool is that. We put on major miles, or rather kilometers, going from Paris to Lourdes, over to Provence, and then back up to Paris. It was such an American way to do a country, but hey, it worked for us. We felt like we fit a month into just 10 days. Every day was so full.

We began by going to Nevers to visit with the uncorrupted body of Bernadette, the woman who was visited by the "Immaculate Conception" at a stone grotto (shallow stone cave) in Lourdes. Bernadette has been dead for over a hundred years now, but she is still beautiful. I'll have to look for a picture online to show you. Walking into the chapel where she lies in state was an experience full of God's energy. She had vowed to see only Love in everything around her. It isn't just the water of Lourdes that makes the miracle, it's the state of Being, I believe. We stayed in a fantastic medieval city that evening, complete with a way cool cathedral. Then we headed toward the waters of Lourdes.

"Catholic Calcutta" is how two of my traveling companions, who have been to India, described the vacation mecca of Lourdes. It was crazy. I had heard that Lourdes was very commercial, but I wasn't prepared for the neon signs and the mass of shops and hotels and the thousands of people. There is even a mini golf and go-cart place on the edge of town. And in the midst of all this frenetic commercialism was a walled off area of world wide peace and hope for the gift of God. We got there in time to go to the nightly candle light procession. What a magical event. Then we went to the Grotto where "the Immaculate Conception" appeared to Bernadette 18 times in 1858. The energy in that place was palpable and it was a great joy to see the spring that The Lady of Lourdes told Bernadette to find. The water now flows out to many spigots lined up along the wall, and people fill bottles of water to take home with them. There are several chapels along with the Basilica on the top of the cliff where the apparition showed itself to Bernadette, and we we were able to meditate in some and take pictures of the magnificent murals in others. Participating in Mass in places such as these is what being Catholic is all about. We filled up gallons of water and drank Lourdes water for the rest of our trip.

I have to stop here, but I will be sure to tell you more of this wonderful, awesome adventure when I get the chance.

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Wow Lissa, this sounds wonderful. I too can�t wait to hear what else you saw and experienced. I�ve never been to Lourdes, because of what you wrote. But I am glad the spirit is still there, and all the masses of people couldn�t destroy it. Did you do any sightseeing in Paris? I always wanted to do that, but all I got to was driving through the city once, and it was horrible. They drive worse than me!*lol* It was scary, to say the least. But I still would like to see some historical places there. Oh well, one day... Isn�t France a beautiful country? I love the different landscapes.They have everything, the ocean, mountains, celtic towns, breathtaking valleys, countryside and big cities. I don�t get tired visiting it. (NT) -- Martina, 04:56:13 10/08/03 Wed

I forgot to say that I like the "typical american way of travelling". I get bored staying at the same place too long very easy. Driving around is much more active and interesting. My mom just came back from the spanish island Mallorca, where she stared at the ocean for 2 weeks. I couldn�t do that, too boring.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 09:47:46 10/08/03 Wed

How cool! I've heard bits and pieces about Lourdes but I never really knew the whole thing behind it. I love traveling that way too. You get to see so much more and even tho' it's hard to be in the car that long sometimes, I think you do get to experience so much more. It's so nice to know that there are still places like that where people and commercialism haven't destroyed every square inch. Those grottos are so beautiful too! There is one in West Bend, IA that a man and several nuns built a long long time back. I haven't been there since I was a kid but I remember how beautiful it was. Peaceful and serene. All the work they did was amazing. We plan to visit it now as adults to see and appreciate the wonderful energy and the work of art it is. Please tell us more when you get a chance. (NT) -- Lori, 18:28:21 10/08/03 Wed
WOW! (NT) -- Viive, 00:38:47 10/10/03 Fri

Short note... -- Martina, 03:57:29 10/06/03 Mon
We are still doing the camping thing at Antje�s. Our stuff has moved, but we couldn�t yet, because the house is still not connected. It will hopefully happen this week. We are sore from the move, from making the house nice inside, and so on, but it doesn�t kill the happy feelings - we have a house!!! A cold and dark one, but A HOUSE! Photos will come later, as soon as we are settled in. (Don�t even know where the camera is right now*g*)

I�ll check in here from work whenever I can.

Okay, carry on. :)

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Were you even able to celebrate your anniversay???? Hope it will be a lovely celebration for you two when you are finally in your new home:)!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 12:43:14 10/06/03 Mon
Well, we had a nice day, but didn�t really celebrate, since I had to go to work the next day.*g* We will make up for that when we are in the house. Could take another week though. The workers didn�t even show up yesterday.*sigh* (NT) -- Martina, 04:45:16 10/07/03 Tue
I remember that feeling and wish you all the BEST there is as you make this house your home!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 23:34:20 10/07/03 Tue
I know how workmen not showing up goes. It took us 6 months to get a new roof on our house! Well just think, when you do get in your house and settled, you will have all the time in the world to "celebrate" everything *wink*. Good luck with your workers! (NT) -- Lori, 18:21:15 10/08/03 Wed
We are finally connected!!!! Friday night will be the first one in the new house! If no further disasters take place! Good thoughts are appreciated! Thanks! :) (NT) -- Martina, 05:11:24 10/09/03 Thu

When John Scott returns.... -- JeanClaire, 15:41:14 09/25/03 Thu
From his move lets' raise a glass and wish him a Happy Birthday. Hope the move went smoothly.

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Hope you managed to take some time out of your big move to celebrate your birthday. Cheers! (NT) -- Brenda, 01:25:35 09/28/03 Sun
Hope it was a grand day, John Scott. And I hope the move went well. (NT) -- Betsy, 14:53:13 09/29/03 Mon
Very late but would still like to wish you a Happy Belated Birthday! Hope the move went well and you guys settle in soon! (NT) -- Lori (lurking mostly because I'm busy up to my eyeballs but life is good!!), 18:49:06 10/02/03 Thu
Another late lurker checking in!! Hope the day was good John Scott. (NT) -- Keira, 13:16:43 10/07/03 Tue

A Dragonfly Story about Amanda... -- JeanClaire*, 13:29:19 09/29/03 Mon
Remember Amanda who died in August of cancer. My Brownie co-leader Jen is very good friends with her family, let's me know how her mother is doing and told me this story.

One day last week mom Carla was at the cemetary visiting. She goes every day I think. This one day while she was there thinking about Amanda all of a sudden there was a whole swarm(what do you call a group) of dragonflies. About 50 of them. So she stayed to watch for a while but then too many of them started to bother her so she went home.

(At this point I said "Wow! That must have been Amanda." Jen just said to wait there was more.)

When Carla got to her home her 2 sisters were waiting for her and asked where she was. She started to tell them what happened at the cemetary but they cut her off telling her about the swarm of dragonflies flitting around the back deck. So there were dragonflies at both places at the same time.

Now when ever anybody goes to the cemetary there are usually 4-6 dragonflies flying around.

Jen says she's heard Native american stories about dragonfly spirits and when she forwards me info I will share here.

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Very cool story!!! I love hearing these types of things. Like maybe there are ways that those on the other side can and do communicate to us in little ways. Thanks for the sharing and if you find that info - please post it. I'd really like to read it. (NT) -- Lori, 18:51:49 10/02/03 Thu

The Blue Faery is one of my favorites:) Thanks!! -- JeanClaire*, 13:30:31 10/01/03 Wed
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Hey JC...I think I had this on my computer because of you--thought you'd appreciate! :) BTW--Amanda's dragonfly story is absolutely amazing! (NT) -- Christine, 18:15:30 10/01/03 Wed

I think I have it on my computer from DD Betsy's 6 year old faery garden birthday party!! (NT) -- JC*, 18:58:07 10/01/03 Wed

KARMA: The Maker of Destiny -- Jeannine, 03:20:48 09/20/03 Sat
Interview was excerpted from" Inner Quest: Yoga`s Answers to Life`s Questions" By PRT (taken here, in part, from Sacred Pathways Aug/Sept issue)

Q: The word Karma is used loosely these days. What is its actual meaning?

Pandit Rajmani Tigunait(Head of the Himalayan Institute): Karma is the law of cause and effect, action and reaction, as you sow, so shall you reap.

Q: On a practical level, how do our karmas affect our lives?

PRT:Our karmas influence not only our behavior but also our surroundings and the circumstances of our realtionships. Karmas are the makers of our destiny. This is why the scriptures say, "it is karma that brings us into the world".
It is karma that makes us feel that someone is our soulmate. Karmic factors stir the subtle realm of providence, resulting in such events as winning the lottery or becoming the victum of a natural disaster.The most satisfactory answer to the question of why one person seems to be prosperous, healthy,and lucky while another suffers from poverty, disease, and misfortune can be found in the law of karma. According to this law, everyone is responsible for their own actions. No one can reap the fruits of anothers actions nor escape the fruits of their own actions. When we do not know the exact cause of a particular event, we call it an accident--but nothing happens accidently. We sow the seed of that so-called accident in the form of our previous actions whether in this life or in a previous one. There is no reason to blame anyone for our current problems and circumstances. Whether we know it or not, we are bound by the ropes of our own karma. It is through our karmas that we reward or punish ourselves, bind or release ourselves. Our karmas are also our innate guides; they guide us in the form of our inner inclinations, tastes, and interests.

Q: It sounds like you are saying that people get what they deserve. In other words, victims of war and poverty have brought on their misfortunes on themselves. I find this troubling.

PRT:According to the law of karma, our present lives are a continuation of the eternal stream of life from the point where they stopped last time. Any significant action that we are inclined to perform is an action that gathered momentum in a previous lifetime but couldnt be completed because the vehicle disintergrated before the destination was reached. Similarly, events that have a significant effect--pleasant or unpleasant--on our life are not accidental either. The seed of karma was planted long ago, but before it could grow and yield its fruit, we migrated from one body to the next. Eventually our persosnal karma blossoms and bears fruit. When it does, we are drawn or driven by nature to reap those fruits. It is the law of karma that triggers our unconscious desires, attachments, and sentiments, and influences our freedom of choice at a subtle level. Under the influence of this law we are born into a particular family, raised in a particualr religion, and go through myriad physical, psychological, and spiritual experiences. These events do not occur in isolation. The karmic fruits we are reaping in our present life are linked with the lives of many others. As we attempt to accomplish our major goals, we undertake many auxiliary actions, which, in most cases, involve other people. When these actions bear fruit, the lives of others are also influenced. Although the person who is principal agent of the action reaps the greater part of the fruit, others will suffer or prosper along with that person. The key is putting this knowledge in the right perspective. Great teachers of the law of karma yoga do not tell us to disregard others' suffering by attributing it to their karma. It is a grave mistake to discount those who appear less fortunate by thinking, "Oh well, it`s their karma and who am I to interfere with the law of providence?" The law of karma should be applied to oneself and to oneself alone. Even then it must be done with a transformative attitude. This concept must not be used to judge others. If you judge others, the law of karma dictates that you will be judged. If you are not so affected by adverse karmas as many others seem to be, then make use of your good karmas, which have started yielding their fruits. Sow the seeds of the other good karmas for the future. One of the best ways to do that is to serve those who seem to be less fortunate than you are. Remember, do not judge anyone, for doing so is a very powerful; action which will come back to haunt you.

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Too tired to talk much right now, but let me know what you think about this. I am not claiming whole-hearted acceptance of this explanation, nor do I think he totally answered the questions?? There is more here but he is so wordy I am tired of typing. (NT) -- Jeannine, 03:23:28 09/20/03 Sat
So, this is what you were doing in the wee hours of the night! Maybe this is why I woke up about that time! Your conclusions seem reasonable to me. (NT) -- Ron (home safe), 16:32:54 09/22/03 Mon

Hmm, I was definitely sound asleep! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 13:05:04 09/23/03 Tue

Very interesting, Jeannine! And like Ron, I was also awakened at about this time of night! How odd....Anyway, I do believe somewhat in Karma, but I also think we shouldn't be too hung up on Karma and just be the best we can be. If I am walking along and see someone drowning in the lake, do I shake my head saddly and bemoan their bad Karma? Nope...I run like the wind (well, as much like the wind as I can run...hehehe), jump in and try to help him, bad Karma or not. Did he deserve and/or need to drown? Perhaps. But that's not up to me to judge. And of course, it might be MY Karma to help him. We could go round and round with this, eh? (NT) -- Betsy, 20:22:22 09/22/03 Mon
We sure could go round and round. I can't go for predestination either. Believing in that means there's no point in taking any independent action since it's been predetermined what will happen. Reminds me of the witches' trial - if they sink, they're innocent! If they float they're guilty! (NT) -- Ron, 22:12:27 09/22/03 Mon
Right Betsy! Thats what he was saying...of course we dont ignore the needy around us. There is way more. come inside. -- Jeannine, 02:18:21 09/23/03 Tue

I really like what he says here. The laws of Karma are too vast for us to comprehend, so don't worry about it. We are not bound by our Karma...we should try to be the best human we can be and all will be well. Reminds me of the line in Desiderata that states something along the lines of "No matter what we think, undoubtably the Universe is unfolding as it should." My job is not to worry and get stuck in the ideas of Karmic debt, but rather to take every opportunity to do good works, be kind and gentle and make my corner of the Earth a bit nicer than when I came. I do much better with the simple stuff than with the heady, heavy intellectual yack-yack. (NT) -- Betsy, 12:30:26 09/23/03 Tue

I thought I had replied to this a few days ago but it didn't show up, drat!! Jeannine, I really enjoyed this post, very interesting and thought provoking! (NT) -- Linda, 16:26:24 09/27/03 Sat

it ended up down below on the other post (NT) -- :o), 02:25:13 09/29/03 Mon

Offline! -- Martina and John Scott, 12:57:20 09/24/03 Wed
We are moving! The new house isn�t connected to water, plumming, gas or electricity yet, but we have to move now, since we have to leave the apartment this weekend. We could need your support, energy and such, that they will connect the house soon, or we will have to sleep at Antje�s meanwhile. Not that this wouldn�t be fun*g*, but she has enough work without us.
We will be offline until we are back at work on the 6th Oct. Just in case someone will miss us.*g* Oh, and Lissa is on vacation and will be back around the same time. Wishing you all great discussions! We will catch up later.

Have to run, boxes are waiting... moving sucks!*lol*

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Wishing you both a smooth, uneventful move. See you when you get back. (NT) -- Brenda, 15:41:08 09/24/03 Wed
Sounds like camping to me! hehe Yup, I'm off for an adventure. I'll tell you all about it when I get back. *G* I'm leaving this morning.... (NT) -- Lissa, 08:05:45 09/25/03 Thu

Bye, Lissa! Bon voyage! (NT) -- Ron, 08:45:54 09/25/03 Thu

New photos in "Photos Three" -- Brenda, 14:09:58 09/21/03 Sun
I just added some pictures from my dragonboat festival last weekend. We came in 6th out of 42 teams....not too bad considering we had over 50% newbie paddlers. Some people had been asking what a dragonboat was, etc...I hope this gives you an idea.

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Brenda, Thanks for sharing the pics. They're great!!! And congrats at finishing so well. Way to go, Mama!!! (NT) -- Betsy, 20:08:51 09/22/03 Mon
Very cool Brenda!! Ppppsssssssssstttt!!! When are you around for chatting these days, haven't caught you in ages?? (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 13:02:38 09/23/03 Tue

I finally have my Wednesday teaching parter in place again so I can be online around the same time I used to be (8am Pacific Time on Wednesday) Hope to chat with 'ya soon. (NT) -- Brenda, 18:59:50 09/23/03 Tue

According to my DH I am here too much!! Little Guy is off on the bus at 12:30 but can be here shorty after! (NT) -- JeanClaire, 21:39:36 09/23/03 Tue

OK....I am really bad at the whole time zone thing...would 12:30 your time be 9:30 my time? (I'm thinking you are 3 hours ahead) I will check messenger at 9:45 and see of you are about. Anyone else? (NT) -- Brenda, 00:43:08 09/24/03 Wed

I think pacific is 3 hours behind. So 11 am here would be 8 out your way. I can check in at 11 for an hour then make lunch and get little guy off to school and try back at 12:45-ish! (NT) -- JeanClaire, 09:26:44 09/24/03 Wed

Cool Website -- Brenda, 00:54:54 09/24/03 Wed
I found this website tonight and thought is was really interesting. I'm going to try to link it (key word being TRY).

School of the Seasons

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Your link worked! I spent a few minutes poking around and will have to go back later! (NT) -- JeanClaire, 09:24:24 09/24/03 Wed

Just for a bit... -- Christine, 15:09:23 09/17/03 Wed
The background seemed to be bothering a few people (me and my 'i need new glasses' glasses included) so I switched it to a plain backround for the time being.

Ideas on what to do with the background? I could try to lighten it...just won't get to that for a bit. Opinions??

I put the background up top as a picture though :)

Hope I'm not stepping on toes Jeannine. :) Love ya!

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Am I safe in saying this here? I had trouble with it, but I COULD read the words. The French Board, however, gets carried away at times and I can only read the words by highlighting them. Often I don't bother. (Right now, it's fine.) Sometimes this happens to other Boards too. As a man, I am one of those who have trouble with colors, and sometimes one will blend into others so that I just can't distinguish one from the other. About 5 to 10 % of men have some degree of color blindness, but very few women. I think lighter shades would make the wallpaper more agreeable. Pastels? Check what Rita has done at LOL Social Board - I can't remember having trouble seeing there. (NT) -- Ron, 16:14:31 09/17/03 Wed

Is this purple okay for you Ron?? I know my DHs aunt and (mostly) uncle had trouble with certain colours on our family board...they were 'retired age' too! *G* There isn't much contrast with the colours used right now...just holler if it needs 'tweaking'! (NT) -- Christine, 19:01:47 09/17/03 Wed

Is this purple? (VBG!) Yes, it works fine for me. Basically, something which contrasts in intensity works for me (and other colorblind folks). The wallpaper can be light and the script dark. Maybe vice-versa too. For instance, dark purple script on light purple wallpaper works, or any color dark for the script and any color light for the wallpaper. Now, to be honest, I did NOT know the background was purple. I thought it was blue!!! That's how bad it gets! (Purple, however, is a mixture of blue and red.) (NT) -- Ron, 06:24:29 09/18/03 Thu

Well I faded the wallpaper...just not sure how well it shows the actual picture. It is a hard picture to lighten without losing the whole picture and/or all the colour in it. Still playing :) (NT) -- Christine, 08:01:07 09/18/03 Thu

Christine!!!! This is PERRRFECT!!! Don't worry about fading too light! M&M who does the wp's on the TBH and the FFF boards always fades them very light and it's really good on the eyes IMHO! And having the original above to look at is a great thing!!!! I love it the way it is just now, great job !!! (NT) -- Antje, 10:05:33 09/18/03 Thu

Hello Antje!! I was just about to email M&M as I was having a bit of trouble with our wee angel! :) I couldn't get rid of him/her entirely...so scroll WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY down to the bottom of the page once it totally loads! :) (NT) -- Christine--supposed to be playing with the kids and doing laundry! :), 11:31:16 09/18/03 Thu

Since so many people loved the angel it's maybe a nice spot! We're now so to say "supported" by the angel ;-) Thanks for your work Christine! It's like life is breathing through the board again! :-) (NT) -- Antje - who just watched the news!!! STAY DRY everyone on the East Coast!!, 11:41:24 09/18/03 Thu

Hi, I just got here. Don`t worry about my toes! Whatever is best for the group is best with me! I would rather have a group effort than take it all on myself, I dont really need all that stress! I did add the quote which I came aross while I was off from work! Hope you like it!!Someone else can add one next week!! Ok? (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:37:18 09/19/03 Fri

btw, I like the angel at the bottom, but I dont get why you couldnt just take it off? technically I mean... (NT) -- J, 00:38:44 09/19/03 Fri

OH...I COULD take it off...but as so many people seemed to want to keep it I was trying to figure out how to put it at the bottom! :) I knew it COULD be done...just took me a while to do it...and then another while to centre it! :) (NT) -- Christine, 09:04:07 09/19/03 Fri

Very interesting Jeannine! I find it a bit unsettling to be honest but fascinating to read about all the same. (NT) -- Linda, 08:24:35 09/21/03 Sun

Hi Folks! -- Jeannine, 01:43:20 09/15/03 Mon
As you can see I changed the background! I think it looks great with the colors of the text! I am taking suggestions for the poem etc. for the top of the page. I THINK I fixed that broken link too, havent checked yet!! I used Melissas` original background, the one she started the board with!
I cant upload pics from this computer so if you have any already on the web to replace the angel, send me the URL!!

Thanks!!

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OK now how do I get into the MSN community and fix the spelling errors in there!?? Wasnt that Jen that started that? (NT) -- J again, 02:21:34 09/15/03 Mon
Wow! But that angel is so cute! We should keep him, what do you think? (NT) -- Martina, 05:50:03 09/15/03 Mon

Yeah...I think the angel should stay too! (NT) -- Christine, 14:56:34 09/15/03 Mon

I like the angel too! He's got my vote. I love this background. I use it to make my address labels some of the time. The colors are so soothing... (NT) -- Lori, 19:22:09 09/15/03 Mon
OK then, what about quotes???? (NT) -- J, 01:11:57 09/16/03 Tue

Jeannine! Great job! :-) I offered to take care of wallpapers and stuff, but I never had the password :-) I think this wp here is too dark, it needs to become more lightened not that I yet know how to do sucha thing! *G* and I agree on the angel, the poor thing needs a break! ROFL Come inside please for a link with quotes:--------->>> -- Antje, 03:08:31 09/17/03 Wed

I meant I agree with Lissa on the Angel, we talked about it off-board ;-) (NT) -- Antje, 03:13:35 09/17/03 Wed

Quotes and stuff -- Jamie's Mom, 06:27:29 09/17/03 Wed

Thanks for the sites, Hope DD is ok ? and yourself? Hugs all around (NT) -- J, 01:48:56 09/20/03 Sat

Just to clarify, as much as I have enjoyed looking at all the decorations on this board for the past year or so (Antje knows how much I love her reiki picture), it will still be nice to see everything changed around, just to freshen up the whole board. It's not like we wouldn't ever see the angel again, just that we get to see something different for a while. Kind of like our online friends, sometimes you are in the room with them and sometimes you just have to use your memory to know what your friend looks like. *G* psst, Hi Jamie's Mom from "up the street"... rt 28 (NT) -- Lissa, 09:51:23 09/17/03 Wed

I vote for lightening the wallpaper first, though. I'm getting a headache trying to read this page. (NT) -- Lissa, 10:13:02 09/17/03 Wed
I agree. But can we keep the angel? Pleeaaase! It could be smaller, but shouldn�t go. I kinda got used to the cute little thing.*VBG* (NT) -- Martina, 15:38:21 09/17/03 Wed

Sure, we could keep the cute little angel for you, and then we can keep the lovely reiki wallpaper for me, but then there would be no changes for anyone. So, hey, let's just have fun making changes again. I say change EVERYthing. (NT) -- Lissa, 22:39:39 09/17/03 Wed

Fate, Free Will, or Just Dumb Luck? -- Jeannine, 01:35:40 09/02/03 Tue
Do you believe we have a lifes plan, made before we come to earth to be born? How extensive is this plan and how much of it is directed by Free will and how much is predetermined?

Can this plan be changed here on earth or once we make it, is it written in stone?

Are we just born at random, a collection of cells that multiply? Or do we chose our parents and our gender?

Is luck involved or is there such a thing?

Are there other factors involved that we have no control of, some other ingredient that we are not aware of? For instance, why do some people win the lottery repeatedly, when they dont even need the $ in the first place, and others play and never win, when they have plans that the money would make possible. Is that just dumb luck? fate? or Karmic resolution? Are some people never *meant* to win in this life?

Do you believe in Creative Visualization? I read a bit recently, Oriah Mountain Dreamer, where she says that these bids for all our dreams to come true if we just picture it, is harmful and gives false hope. She doesnt believe in that but has her own perception. I dont know that I have explained her point exactly, I am not quoting it, but anyway....

Discuss!!

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There too, is the idea that no matter what free will we exert on our own lives, that one way or another what is meant to be will be. It may just happen as the result of another choice we made. So that is fate. I cant wait to hear what you all have to say! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:55:14 09/02/03 Tue
I got long, inside please >>> -- Martina, 04:46:24 09/02/03 Tue

Thanks, M. Ya know, here is another question, do you all have pictures/expectations of what you want/wanted your life to be like? I never did really. I have wishes and I think about what I would do if...but I have never really had any expectations. There were some things I KNEW and they all came true. But when I looked at the future, I saw a murky cloud. Others seem to be able to at least say what they want etc. Do you think that effects any outcomes? (NT) -- Jeannine, 05:32:09 09/02/03 Tue

Yes, I think so, because people with a plan go at it with such a force, that they often make it! I personally never had a plan, just like you, haha. (NT) -- Martina, 05:40:41 09/02/03 Tue

I forgot something >>> -- Martina, 05:35:25 09/02/03 Tue
I will be brief: No to a plan. That answer rules out the next few questions. No, we are not a random collection of cells. We do not choose our parents; they chose each other. What most call luck is simply the fact that there are countless possibilities for many actions. Sometimes, the outcome we wish happens. That is a happy moment. However, we can influence the outcome of many events by our own actions. Often our actions can force an issue. So, to a point, I believe in self-determination. Since there are other factors, we can't always get what we want. Sometimes we want the impossible. This is too much for here. Let's chat later this month in person. (NT) -- Ron, 08:01:59 09/02/03 Tue

Hey Ron, I can�t chat with you next month, and I appreciate your opinion! ;) Thanks for replying, and please don�t be brief, we like to read what you have to say! Oh I know, men are getting tired of typing quickly, hm? haha. So why don�t you think we choose our parents? It�s been mentioned along the re-incarnation theories, and I think it makes sense. (NT) -- Martina, 08:00:26 09/03/03 Wed

Hi, Martina. I was thinking of Jeannine when I said we could chat later this month, at the New Hampshire Games. I'm always brief >>>> -- Ron, 20:48:47 09/03/03 Wed

I just saw your reply! A little late, I know, but I am very busy right now. Makes sense Ron, if one doesn�t believe in reincarnation a lot of the new age thinking just doesn�t fit, because it is based on that. Hey, I am glad you like typing!*g* Maybe it is just that men don�t ramble as much as women do?*VBG* (NT) -- Martina, 15:33:56 09/17/03 Wed

I prolly get too long to, So I go inside straight away *g*>>>>>>>>>>> -- Andrea, 16:11:36 09/02/03 Tue

Oh, and I NEVER had any drawn out plans either. Just, maybe, vague plans. And never for more than a couple of months ahead. Except my Scotland plan, which is sort of in the back, because I like it too much in Germany at the mo :-) (NT) -- Andrea, 16:13:53 09/02/03 Tue

Well I think there are maybe "guidelines" (not just the right word here but I can't think of another one right now), not necessarily a precise plan as to what we are going to do in this life. I think there are certain lessons we are given in each life to learn and how we go about learning them is partially up to the decisions we make throughout our lives. We have direction & what the outcome is, depends on our choices. I never really had a specific plan either. Just a path to follow and make choices which would lead me down different roads & along the way I will hopefully learn what lessons I am supposed to. (NT) -- Lori, 19:12:27 09/02/03 Tue
More - it blows my mind to think that if everyone has a "specific plan", how does it all work out. I mean, if I make one decision that sets someone else on a certain path, were they destined to be on that path, or if I would have made a different decision on the same matter, would I send someone else down a totally different path? If there are "plans" for everyone, how can this huge "web" of decisions interact. Boy that was weird. Did I even make any sense hahahahahahaha (NT) -- Lori, 19:17:56 09/02/03 Tue

Very much sense! I agree, that web would be too huge to control. Millions of possibilities for each life form! And they all interact. Nope, that doesn�t look like a plan. Causes and effects are at work here, that�s all, I guess. I read the theory the other day somewhere, that we aren�t here to "learn" anything. There is no karma either. This again would be a too huge web. Who decides what we have to learn? And why would we choose coming here to learn the hard way again, if we already have the knowledge? It said we are here to simply live life, and use the power of creating things. Well, just another theory.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 07:51:40 09/03/03 Wed
yah, but don't we all have our own little webs? I have my web here in NH and Martina has a web in Germany, Lori has a web in the great midwest, and sometimes, when we choose, all our wee webs touch for a bit when we are here, on the World Wide WEB. It's like all the different plays on Broadway-- not everyone can be at all the shows at the same time. Of course we can all have our own different plans and webs. The fun parts are when all the little ones actually DO come together in big expansive ways. Aren't people still talking about coming together at a place like Woodstock? Aren't we all thrilled when we can escape our everyday web to come here on the WWWeb? I think alot more is possible than our limited thinking can even imagine. And the reason we forget the big picture is so that we can function in our small places rather than be awed at the perfection of it all. (NT) -- Lissa, 14:02:56 09/03/03 Wed

I think we do all have a basic outline of what we want to accomplish while here on earth. I also think that it's NOT true that the only reason we come back is because we screwed up somewhere and had to work on it. Don't you know people who are simply thrilled to be here? And don't you think it would be far more fun coming back if there were no difficulties to get thru? As for winning the lottery, perhaps the reason the ones who need it most don't win is because winning the lottery would rob them of the chance to experience the satisfaction of "doing it" themselves. People who win but don't "need" it probably win because they have no fear or desire attached to the game of picking numbers. I have decided that I am going to stop trying to figure out the winning numbers, getting random picks instead, letting the angels tell ME the winning numbers. *G* (NT) -- Lissa, 14:45:00 09/03/03 Wed

No fear or desire... there it is again, haha. Hey, can I borrow your angels after you won?*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 15:23:58 09/03/03 Wed

Oh what a topic! Me I think life is much like the Canadian Comedian club SCTV. They went on air with a rough script, but as soon as they were live, the script was in the wind. They did what worked. Life is also like that. We had a plan coming, since we forgot to bring it with us we "wing it". An idea just popped into my mind. What if our lives are like ships, destination known before we start, but once we are on the water, everything is relevant to us, not our origin or destination? Who controls the wind? Who controls the waves? Who controls the tides? It does not matter, what matters is how we control our ships, how we trim our sails, and set our rudders. (NT) -- John Scott, 16:05:51 09/03/03 Wed

I like that analogy! And following along with that idea, getting blown off course can lead to wonderful discoveries. Another one I heard is that life is like a video game, Xbox or whatever. You plug in a game that has all kinds of options already in it. How it ends up is how you play it, the choices you make along the way. They weren't wrong decisions, just different ones leading to different outcomes. At the end of the game, it was still a good game. (NT) -- Lissa, 16:57:51 09/03/03 Wed

OMG - SCTV - I loved that show hahahahahahahaha. Pretty good synopsis there. I agree with what you, JS and Lissa said. That there might not be any wrong decisions, just different ones leading to different outcomes. (NT) -- Lori, 18:24:51 09/03/03 Wed
Yep, the game analogy is a good way of looking at it. We came here without a script, which is why we are just like those game characters. We write the script as we go along the path of life. Who of you have read Jane Roberts Oversoul Seven, or Seth? It�s all in there, and was the most "making sense" spiritual books for me! (NT) -- Martina, 03:50:14 09/04/03 Thu

Link to share -- Antje, 03:11:58 09/17/03 Wed
Do you remember we sometimes had quotes from Khalil Gibrans "the Prophet", the whole book is to read online, here's the

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Thanks!!! I will be sure to save this link so that I can finally read the whole book. Isn't the internet wonderful? Antje, you manage to find the best things online. I'm impressed. (NT) -- Lissa, 10:10:56 09/17/03 Wed

Something interesting I thought I'd share with you -- Ellen, 04:50:41 09/17/03 Wed
Hi everybody,
I've just found some answers to my question about what the heck is going in the world. The text is quite long but written with much humour and not difficult to read. Enjoy!

http://www.lightworker.com/beacons/091503ItHasBegunPortals.shtml

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This information is fascinating to consider, isn't it? I love the idea of the veil getting thinner. And once again, lots of talk about the importance of centering your energy in your heart. I can't tell you how many different sources say something about that. And I have seen some of that lightening that they refer to... a whole WALL of strikes coming at us from across a field. Spectacular. (NT) -- Lissa, 10:08:35 09/17/03 Wed

A belated Two-Fer -- JeanClaire*, 10:10:13 09/14/03 Sun
I could just blame the boards last week:)!!

September 6 Happy Anniversary to Isabelle and James

September 7 Happy Birthday to Lori

"This week's illustrations of current flora and fauna in Scotland are of a colchicum, the autumn-flowering crocus and a Red Admiral and a Painted Lady buttterflies feeding on a Michaelmas Daisy. Both photos were taken this week at Finlaystone Country Estate in Inverclyde."

Hope you both had wonderful days!!

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Hi Isabelle! Hope you guys had a wonderful anniversary... (NT) -- Lori, 19:20:31 09/15/03 Mon
Happy Anniversary!!! and Happy Birthday!!!! Hope your days were good ones! (NT) -- Lissa, 09:54:38 09/17/03 Wed

Hey Jeannine....and HI to everyone else too!! -- Christine, 10:28:08 09/12/03 Fri
Taking up space here but I tried to email you the password to your hotmail...but it either went a bunch of times or not at all. Did you get the email?? My email is ceilidh13 at hotmail dot com (see what the spammers have done to us?? *G*)

I've been reading what I could on the board lately...things seem better the last day or so...but usually once I get everything read I have no time to reply!!

Declan will be TWO tomorrow...how the heck did THAT happen??

Hey Keira...gave Melissa a big hug for you the other day! :)

Hoping to make it to the games next weekend...we'll have to see if kids/DH/weather permits! :) If the weather is bad we won't be able to go...not for the kids but for the DH...he's having more surgery on the 23rd and CAN'T get sick...if we postpone he'll be in that damn cast FOREVER! He's been in it since April and will be in it until at least Christmas! UGH...gone through 3 sets of crutches so far too! Finally broke down and went and applied for a handicapped parking sticker last week!

Hello to everyone..glad to see people coming back!!! (((hugs)))

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Hello Christine! Long time, no see, neighbor. (How sad is that) Chances are that I will not be able to get to the games during the days, but I willl be meeting people in the evenings, whatever is set up. Will you also be there? Meeting at a restaurant would not need good weather. *wink* So sorry to hear that your man is still having trouble with his leg. Tell me again what happened? Would you be interested in having reiki so you can help him with the healing? Hope we get to catch up this NEXT weekend. (I panicked on Thursday, thinking that the games were this weekend. Duh. Get a grip, girlfriend! hehehe) (NT) -- Lissa, 00:00:12 09/13/03 Sat
nope didnt get the e-mail BUT you may NOT have the correct addy. I will e- you though...thanks (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:47:59 09/13/03 Sat
Hey, Christine! Let's all hope for good weather that weekend! Hope to see you and the family there! (NT) -- Ron, 08:36:02 09/13/03 Sat
Hi Christine! Nice to see you again (or rather read you??) I can't believe your little guy is 2 already either. Time goes so quickly does it not. Sorry to hear about your DH and hope his surgery goes well. Hoping he has a speedier recovery. (NT) -- Lori, 19:18:50 09/15/03 Mon

Dealing with resistance -- Ellen *back from sunny Croatia and suffering in cold and rainy Germany - sniff sniff!*, 07:56:51 09/12/03 Fri
Hi everybody,
long time no see! Nice to read all the discussions here! I'm dealing with the resistance subject (surprise surprise, haha!) and thought I'd post a question for you all. What do you do when things don't work as they should (or as you planned them to?) What do you do when you see your plans fail and don't exactly know why? I tell you what I did and what did NOT work *VVBG*
For quite a while now, my manuscripts have kept coming back to me. Sigh sigh. Many publishers tell me that they are really good, BUT ... If I read one more BUT, I'll go crazy!!
Well, I tried to analyse the situation (my favourite one, haha), to work things out with a carpet beater (another favourite one and VERRA effective indeed to let out your frustration) and some more stuff. This morning I had the idea to IGNORE all the BUT'S in my life and just pretend they were not there.
Now, here's the question: is that SILLY or WISE?? Or something else?
Let me know what you think! And if you've got some examples to share, please please!! Join the "NO MORE BUT'S" club! *VVBG*
My friends keep reminding me that I HAVE in fact published 2 books, the third to come, and several short stories, but -as you will remember - Ellen always wants MORE. Well, that's another problem to be discussed another day *g*
HAPPY WEEKEND EVERYBODY!

Ellen-typing-one-handed-with-Cora-Lie-trying-to grab-the-mouse-pad

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Well, I�ve tried ignoring them. It only works if I really can forget about it, otherwise they are still back there in my mind bothering me. As long as they bother me they will not resolve. For me the question is: how to truly ignore them? How do I get them out of my mind? To be at peace with it is another expression I have heard here (hi Lissa*g*). I am having problems with that. (NT) -- Martina, 08:14:15 09/12/03 Fri
Naturally, you try to learn something from the "BUTs", then you don't let them bother you. I had an article requested by an editor, then rejected for what was a frivolous reason to me, but what turned out to be a long-standing policy of the magazine. I hadn't been aware of this little quirk in their set-up. Protesting did no good, so I forgot about it, until now! (Why did I read this post? Okay, I'll forget it again!) (NT) -- Ron, 09:46:25 09/12/03 Fri
Hi Ellen! So nice to see you! Please come inside as I went over... of course. hahaha =======>>> -- Lissa, 14:54:39 09/12/03 Fri

Here's an email letter I got that refers to some of what I was attempting to talk about----- Align Yourself Mind, Body & Soul to Create True Prosperity>>>>>> inside of course>>>>>>>> Are you still getting these mailings, Ellen? -- Lissa, 01:06:33 09/13/03 Sat

Glad to see you back!! As far as the "buts", I tend to try to learn from them and ask more questions about why they are "buts" (and sometimes the answer is just because the person is a "butt" hehehe). If there is nothing I can learn from it, I decide that it just wasn't part of my path - to get this thing done and I do this little ceremony where I write what the thing was on a piece of paper, take a special cermamic dish out I have for this purpose, and say "I have not learned anything from this situation and I now let this go" burning the little slip of paper in the bowl. That makes it a more formal ending to it and if somewhere down the line, I do figure out something I was supposed to learn, then that's alright too. This way, I can let it go and not worry "why" so much. Oh yeah, I have your stones picked out for your piece and will be e-mailing you this week with a pic of it! ; ) (NT) -- Lori, 19:14:43 09/15/03 Mon

More on my post below! -- Linda, 12:08:16 09/06/03 Sat
Is anyone else having trouble getting the board to load and posting? I've tried several replies to my post below but only one has gone through, I keep getting error messages or the whole page will not load. I'm just going to mix it up all into a reply here. :)

I'm going to quote directly from the book on some things have have stood out for me. For anyone that is not familiar with the Journey of the Souls books (I got the rec here by the way! *G*) it is a Dr/Hypnotherapist that has a lot of experience regressing people into their past lives. But he also discovered that he could take them into the 'life between lives', when they are in the spirit world and making their choices on what kind of life they want to live here - who their parents will be, who their children will be, friends, body type, issues to confront etc. It's really fascinating!

Ok, here is how the book explains the forgetting thing, he is currently in hypnotic regression with one of his clients -

S:When we choose a body and make a plan before coming back to Earth, there is an agreement with our advisors.

Dr. N: AN agreement about what?

S:We agree...not to remember...other lives.

Dr. N: Why?

S: Learning from a blank slate is better than knowing in advance what could happen to you because of what you did before.

Dr. N:But wouldn't knowing about your past life mistakes be valuable in avoiding the same pitfalls in this life?

S: If people knew all about their past, many might pay too much attention to it rather than trying out new approaches to the same problem. The new life must be...taken seriously.

Dr. N:Are there anyo ther reasons?

S: (pause) Without having old memories, our advisors say there is less preoccupation for..trying to...avenge the past...to get even for the wrongs done to you.

Dr. N: Well, it seems ot me that so far this has been part of the motivation and doncust in your life as Hester.

S: (forcefully) That's why I came to you.

Dr. N: And do you still think a total blackout of our eternal spiritual life on Earth is essential to progress?

S: Normally, yes, but it's not a total blackout. We get flashes from dreams...during times of crisis...people have an inner knowing of what direction to take when it is necessary. And sometimes your friends can fudge a little...

Dr. N: By friends, you mean entities from the spirit world?

S: Uh-huh...they give you hints, by flashing ideas - I've done it.

Dr. N: Nevertheless, you had to come to me to unlock your conscious amnesia.

S: (pause) We have...the capacity to know when it is necessary. I was ready for change when I heard about you. Clodees (his spirit guide) allowed me to see in the past with you because it was to my benefit.

Dr. N: Otherwise, your amnesia would have remained intact?

S: Yes, that would have meant I wasn't supposed to know certain things yet.

Doctors notes - In my opinion, when clients are unable to go into hypnosis at any given time, or if they have only sketchy memories in trance, there is a reason for this blockage. this does not mean these people have no past memories, just that they are not ready to have them exposed.

My client knew something was hindering her growth and wanted it revealed. The superconscious identity of the sould houses our tontinuous memory, including goals. when the time in our lives is appropriate, we must harmonize human material needs with our sould's purpose for being here. I try to take a common sense approach in bringing past and presnt experiences into alignment.

Our eternal identity never leaves us alone in the bodies we choose, despite our current status. In reflection, meditation, or prayer, the memories of who we really are do filter down to us in selective thought each day. In small, intuitive ways - through the cloud of amneisa - we are given clues for the justificatin of our being.

After desensitizing the source of her headaches, I completed my session with Hester by reinforcing her choice to be a woman for reasons other than intimidating men. I gave her permission to lower her defenses a little and be less aggressive. We discussed options for restructuring occupational goals toward the helping professions and the possibilities of volunteer service work. She was finally able to see her life today as a great opportujnity for learning rather than a failure at gender choice.

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Ok well, since that was a lot to mull over I'll post another section or two of the books in a seperate post, in a few days. I want to discuss more about a few things that disturbed or upset me so that maybe I can have some outside views on them! I thought the post abive would affirm some of what you all had thought about the forgetting thing. :)

Hugs,

Linda

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It�s indeed hard to get a post placed lately. The board doesn�t open all the way down, it takes an eternity to load and to post. I have that problem with all the Voy.com boards. I hope they will repair that soon. Anyway, interesting post! There are a lot of good books on that. To answer your question below, yes I referred to Oversoul seven, which plainly says it all. I found parts of it in other books, but it all comes always down to what�s described in there. You should really read it!*g* There are 3 books, but the first is the easiest one. The second is intersting too, because it is more about oversoul seven than about his multiple souls, and the third is complicated, because it explains the time-concept on earth. I admit I didn�t understand all of it. (NT) -- Martina, 04:08:12 09/08/03 Mon
Hi Linda, I've also been having trouble getting the board to load for me. Very frustrating. I love reading thise kinds of books because they fascinate me and make such good sense to my mind. I have been fortunate to have a few past life regressions and have been to that space between lives. It's a cool place, very calm and emotionally detached from the drama of life that you can watch like peeking in a window, all while being soaked in the most incredible perfect love. Come inside if you would like to hear one of my stories. It could be true, or it could be something my mind made up, but either way, I was able to learn something about myself. If you please....=====> -- Lissa, 10:20:00 09/10/03 Wed
Hi Linda, I've also been having trouble getting the board to load for me. Very frustrating. I love reading thise kinds of books because they fascinate me and make such good sense to my mind. I have been fortunate to have a few past life regressions and have been to that space between lives. It's a cool place, very calm and emotionally detached from the drama of life that you can watch like peeking in a window, all while being soaked in the most incredible perfect love. Come inside if you would like to hear one of my stories. It could be true, or it could be something my mind made up, but either way, I was able to learn something about myself. If you please....=====> -- Lissa, 10:21:31 09/10/03 Wed

I wonder if it is considered being Karma as well, all those "hangups" we bring over from a past existence. (NT) -- Martina, 05:14:20 09/11/03 Thu
Lissa, how fascinating!!! It sounds to me as if you were lead to this woman to take you through this regression to help you cope with some issues in your life, which you are doing so well. I'm so happy for you that you were able to have this experience and learn from it. That's wonderful!! Thanks so much for sharing. :) Oh and in this book there are other patients under hypnosis that will recgonize a child or a friend in this life as someone they knew in another. In one case a person's guide incarnated as their child to help them through a difficult lifetime. Fascinating! (NT) -- Linda, 17:21:19 09/11/03 Thu

Wow Lissa I have goosebumps after reading that story. That's amazing. I want to have a PLR done so bad. I just need to find the time. I have glimpses of what I feel are from past lives. Things pop up out of no where that I know I didn't learn before but now I just "know about them"?? I have visions - awake but in kind of a trance like stage (I daydream constantly without even realizing it most of the time) and when I snap out of it, I can recall very minute details of something I've never seen or heard or felt or, get this - smelled!! I can't wait to get a PLR done. This is truly fascinating stuff! I don't know anyone who does PLR's - do you know how to tell who is reputable and for real?? Any help would be appreciated! (NT) -- Lori, 18:51:45 09/10/03 Wed
I have a story too..... -- Martina, 05:08:28 09/11/03 Thu

That's why it is important to be with someone who can finish with what they started, helping you to deal with what comes up. Also, I was not hypnotised but rather as you say in a relaxed state with someone giving a guided meditation. I was in complete control. I believe I was riding on a cloud *G* and it was up to me to "land" at a place of my choice. It's probably very easy for anyone to have a guided meditation to get back to viewing a past life, but as you say, it's also nice to have the person guide you thru whatever you might be experiencing. Otherwise, you could get caught up in the drama of it again, rather than remembering that you are just viewing something. If that makes any sense. (NT) -- Lissa, 10:44:52 09/11/03 Thu

Makes perfect sense to me. I know that now, but back then I was only 20 or so, and experienced fearless with all kinds of spiritual stuff, haha. (NT) -- Martina, 04:25:07 09/12/03 Fri

EXPERIMENTED I wanted to say... geesh. (NT) -- Martina, 04:26:21 09/12/03 Fri

Martina, I too have a phobia about breathing! I'm always paranoid that I something will effect my breathing, I can't even wear turtleneck shirts because they are too tight around the neck. Very interesting! I wish I could release this fear, maybe sometime I will find someone that can help me do it. (NT) -- Linda, 17:25:25 09/11/03 Thu

Oh yes, the turtlenecks. I can�t stand them either. Linda, all you need it to mention that wish of yours (which you just did*g*) and one day the right person will show up to help you with this. (NT) -- Martina, 04:23:29 09/12/03 Fri

And dont be surprised if you get your wish in a way you had never expected. I had held the wish for Reiki attunements for what seemed like a long time. Then I met some wonderful people online and trips to Germany started to take solid form in my life. Getting your wish can be fun! (NT) -- Lissa, 14:24:35 09/12/03 Fri
I didn't know that Martina, lucky me! I look forward to it then. :) (NT) -- Linda, 12:21:42 09/14/03 Sun

More questions! :) -- sw va Linda, 15:49:10 09/04/03 Thu
I was going to put this in a reply to Martina's post but I decided I'd post it seperately since it delves into my own wonderings.

I was reading the book, The Journey of the Soul and there was one man there that he hypnotized back into the spirit world to find out why he had decided to live with the circumstances that he did in this lifetime. In his present lifetime his birth mother had abandoned him on the steps of a church and he ended up growing up in a home where his parents were very sarcastic and critical. In a hypnotized regression he had learned that as a young man with a lot of power in another country he had ordered his mother killed as punishment because she was giving out food to the peasants and she was not supposed to. So his present lifetime that dealt with this rejection from his mother was meant as a karma thing - so he could learn from what it was like to be on the receiving end of the rejection to balance out what he did to his mother.

BUT! Why then do we make ourselves 'forget' who we really are when we face each lifetime? How can we learn from past mistakes if we don't remember them? I am really stuck on that.

And then that had me thinking about the circumstances of my own birth, I was adopted as a baby from a Catholic home for unwed mothers. I always felt this sense of rejection from that, although logically I know that I was likely there because she just couldn't care for me - too young, ill - whatever. But still, the sense of not being wanted lingers from time to time.

But could it be that in a past lifetime I had rejected a child and this was my way of clearing up some Karma from that? I don't like to think that's true but the possibility may be there.

Actaully, I found the book to be very informative and credible but I'll admit some revelatoins in there *really* upset me. I'll share a few more of them in seperate posts if anyone would like to discuss them.

Any insights ladies and gents? :)

Linda

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I'm not so sure about the karma thing either. This is one reason I made up my own belief system because there is always something I question in every belief system etc. I take what makes sense to me from everything & kind of mush it all together & then it sometimes doesn't make sense either hahahahahahaha. There are so many ways of looking at this stuff. Sometimes some of it makes sense & sometimes none of it makes sense & I don't think we'll ever figure it out in this physical plane or at least we won't understand it if we do figure it out. Maybe our souls know what's going on but our conscience minds don't. Maybe our souls "know" and "learn" specific lessons but our physical beings are just supposed to hang out & experience situations. It all gets so darned weird after a while I can't even deal with it at a certain point hahahahaha. There are always so many questions & that unending, unsatiable thirst for knowledge that sticks with me personally. (NT) -- Lori, 18:24:22 09/04/03 Thu
Come inside please>>> -- Martina, 06:07:54 09/05/03 Fri
I think that humans have a habit of taking very simple ideas and making them very complicated. Like the idea of karma for example. I believe it is simply that all actions have consequences. It is well known that humans have Free Will to create as they see fit. Karma is the balance for that, so that we have some kind of shape to the game of choice. Consequences are different from rewards and punishments, though. A consequence is simply a result, yet the others involve a judgement. Since we have permission to use our free will, then it should follow that we would not be punished for it, and so not rewarded either. It just IS. (NT) -- Lissa, 11:58:19 09/05/03 Fri

One description I read in a Near Death Experience book about judgement day was that a kindly Being would gently ask, "So, how do you think you did?" after you instantaneously re-experienced your whole life along with feeling what affect it had on those you had contact with. The judgement comes from ourselves! And also, for the reincarnation end of our experience, we cannot be forced to do this or that, but what I think is that what looks like a good idea in the Love and safety of pre-life-on-earth heaven, may look a heck of a lot harder once here in the world of dense form. But souls keep coming back because it is such a good opportunity for learning, especially if you like learning on the fast track. Or so I have heard. *G* (NT) -- Lissa, 11:59:46 09/05/03 Fri

It's our own Judgements that put us in Heaven or Hell, a feeling of peace or anxiety. What we "experience" is determined by how we choose to see it, and our perspective of things is what determines what we see. It's like wearing different kinds of eyeglasses, or sitting in a theater and having different views of the same play. Our perspective determines our judgement, and our judgement makes us feel either happy or sad, either like we are in heaven or in hell. The middle way that is talked about in all religions is the way of no judgement.... me, you, each person having no judgement. Am I making any sense? Or have I just rambled on again? hahaha (NT) -- Lissa, 12:14:04 09/05/03 Fri

A lot of goof theories and ideas here. I will add mine. 1. Karma? sure why not, but we ARE in control, we choose the game plan before the game begins. 2. Why do we forget? How challenged would you be in grade school right now? You would be bored silly. Our higher selves know this so we chose to forget and enjoy the experience of life on planet earth. (NT) -- John Scott, 01:51:43 09/06/03 Sat

Good! I meant to say "good theories" lol man 7am is too early to spell on a saturday lol. (NT) -- John Scott, 02:04:01 09/06/03 Sat

That was a goofy typo! haha (NT) -- Lissa, 17:46:35 09/10/03 Wed

It's Christine's Birthday Today-September 5!!!!!!!!!!!! -- JeanClaire*, 07:45:53 09/05/03 Fri

Hope you have a grand day!!

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRISTINE!!!! Herzlichen Gl�ckwunsch!!! Have a wonderful day, and may all your wishes come true! (NT) -- Martina, 08:23:20 09/05/03 Fri
Happy Birthday, Christine! (NT) -- Ron, 10:28:47 09/05/03 Fri
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRISTINE!!! May your day be filled with happy moments! (NT) -- Lissa, 12:28:50 09/05/03 Fri
Happy Birthday Christine! Hope your day is as beautiful as this wonderful moth in the picture! (NT) -- Lori, 19:26:12 09/05/03 Fri

This is a butterfly. I usually get my pictures from the weather section of the weekly Rampant Scottish Newsletter. According to the newsletter this picture is a "Peacock butterfly enjoying the last of the blooms on a buddleja in the gardens of Finlaystone House." Here's what they said about Brenda's birthday flower..."The surprising illustration below of a rhododendron at the end of August, was of a late flowering variety in the woods at Benmore Botanic Gardens in Argyll. More commonly seen flowering in spring, this rhododendron was growing in deep shade." (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 11:15:33 09/06/03 Sat

Go to http://www.rampantscotland.com/letter.htm to read the newsletter. The Rampant Scotland Newsletter - your weekly insight into what has been happening in Scotland, snipped from the Scottish media, for Scots in Scotland and abroad, bringing you news, events plus a Scottish magazine section. Printed with 100% recycled electrons. Rampant Scotland Newsletter is also available by e-mail. Just send an e-mail to Scottie (Scottie@RampantScotland.com) with "Subscribe Newsletter" as the subject line and a text version of these free Scottish snippets of news will arrive in your mailbox every weekend! (NT) -- JC*(finished with her promotion!!!), 11:18:10 09/06/03 Sat

Wishing you the happiest of birthdays Christine! (NT) -- Brenda, 23:54:00 09/05/03 Fri
Cool! I'll check out the site. I wasn't quite sure whether it was one of those fancy moths or a butterfly. It's pretty either way tho'. You have the best pictures! (NT) -- Lori, 15:31:34 09/06/03 Sat
Here I am as usual...a day late and a dollar short. Hope you had a good day, Christine. HEY!!! I met a baby the othr day named Declan!!!!! (NT) -- Betsy, 00:15:03 09/07/03 Sun

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