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Date Posted: 01:55:14 09/02/03 Tue
Author: Jeannine
Subject: There too, is the idea that no matter what free will we exert on our own lives, that one way or another what is meant to be will be. It may just happen as the result of another choice we made. So that is fate. I cant wait to hear what you all have to say!
In reply to: Jeannine 's message, "Fate, Free Will, or Just Dumb Luck?" on 01:35:40 09/02/03 Tue


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[> I got long, inside please >>> -- Martina, 04:46:24 09/02/03 Tue

There is a LOT to say to that.*lol* People have filled books with that subject, but I will try and give a short description on how I see things. Then you guys can rip me apart, hahaha.

- We have a meeting on the “other side”, making an outline for the next life.

- People decide whether to join in or not.

- The outline may include: place and century, male or female body, certain experiences on the emotional level, facing some situations we want to live through… and so on.

- I believe we can always change or mind during the life.

- We canīt change being born black, red or white and such, but lives circumstances, or at least our personal view of it. We can learn acceptance, if we choose to do that in this life.

- I think we are pretty much free on creating everything we need or want, no matter what circumstances this life brings. Maybe that is "the lesson" over everything else?

- I think there is no luck the way we understand it. Because lucky circumstances are too only a result of cause and effect. Lucky for us if we like them, bad luck if we donīt. The judge of that are WE. What we consider bad someone else might find wonderful, because it fits into his current situation just fine.

- I believe we are only "meant" to learn acceptance, non-judgement, non-resistance, and let life flow as it does. That attitude is what the "Masters" teach, and it is considered to bring wealth, health and happiness. Remember the Tao? "The master does nothing". Meaning he is free of desire and fear. Therefore he is tuned to creation, and creation provides him with everything automatically. Fear and desire create blockades, which the master is free of.

- I donīt think someone is not "meant" to anything. The universe is an open source of everything you can think of. There is no "you canīt have that". We just havenīt learned yet how to get everything we want and need. Because we havenīt learned to let things go. All we need to do in order to achieve that is, to set up a goal, then let it go. The general attitude shall be “fine if I get that, fine if I donīt”. That way we neither deal with desire nor with the fear of not getting it.

- If psychics tell us what will happen in our future they can look into our self made cause and effect line. If we choose to change a single thing, the future will suddenly look different, because there are millions of possible results/ways. That is why not everything psychics told me when I was younger did come true. I have changed my path. One example: There was one psychic that told me a lot that came true. But she just couldnīt see a divorce for me. No, she said, you will not get divorced! Looking back I can explain that, because back then I had no intention to ever get divorced. I was certain my marriage will work out. Later on that changed, and another psychic told me, yes, you will get divorced. Was that first psychic wrong? No, she just couldnīt look that far ahead, because most of them only see the next 5 years or so, if that! After that I could always change my path, and then it gets kinda blurry for them. Makes sense to me now.

- About visualization can be harmful: Well, the way of the master is not even doing that. The master does nothing! He doesnīt “influence” anything by picturing certain things for him. He lives in the trust that creation will provide him with the best anyway. Maybe that is what the woman means? Another example of my own life: I once wanted a house very bad, even though I had NO money. I did a meditation over 21 days, picturing that house. Nothing else, no circumstances, nothing about how the heck it could work out, just the house itself. Well, within one year I had my house! But… due to money problems, my husband losing his job and such, I lost it! So what was that good for? It caused a lot of stress and tears. The mediations had worked, yes, but with what result? The whole family was involved, and in the end everybody was unhappy. Thatīs what I got from wanting something that bad! I am approaching my goals different now. I try to make sure I could also be happy without them. That way I can let it “go”, and donīt care much if it comes true or not. The attitude is “if it is good for me and all involved” it may come true. I give Reiki to the situation, but without picturing the outcome. I just put it on the goal, and let creation and the Reiki energy make something of it, ready to accept what ever will happen, to the best of all involved. Leaning back observing what happens makes life thrilling!*lol*

Well, thatīs my 2 cents! Happy discussing!*g*


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[> [> Thanks, M. Ya know, here is another question, do you all have pictures/expectations of what you want/wanted your life to be like? I never did really. I have wishes and I think about what I would do if...but I have never really had any expectations. There were some things I KNEW and they all came true. But when I looked at the future, I saw a murky cloud. Others seem to be able to at least say what they want etc. Do you think that effects any outcomes? -- Jeannine, 05:32:09 09/02/03 Tue


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[> [> [> Yes, I think so, because people with a plan go at it with such a force, that they often make it! I personally never had a plan, just like you, haha. -- Martina, 05:40:41 09/02/03 Tue


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