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• hmm What are we here to learn.... I think that we all think too small about these things, that we could not even imagine the grandeur or majestic perfection of the whole dance of life. All we have to go on is what we already know from our experiences, so how could we even begin to imagine the larger realm of possibility? I think that life on earth started out as a pretty simple thing and that as we piled up experiences and karma (cause and effect), that things became ever more complicated until we see the mess we have in the world today. Lots of people are now looking around and wondering how in heavens name we managed to create such a mess, and lots of people are working to bring the world into better balance. So what are we here to learn? That our choices all have consequences and that when we come from a place of balance and heart-centered intelligence, then things work so much better for everyone. All the rest of life is finding this out the hard way. hahahaha (NT) -- Lissa, 09:39:52 09/03/03 Wed
• Strange, all those ??? in my text above! Or is that only on my browser? Anyway, Lissa, I am experiencing a LOT of consequences right now!*lol* Some things I did against the rule "follow your heart". I did not follow it, and now the consequences are, well, messy.*lol* Have to correct that now... (NT) -- Martina *off to following her heart*G*, 15:30:49 09/03/03 Wed
• Well My Love, the Wiccans say that we are here to "experience". So in order for us to continue on the "Spiral Dance" we need to feel/be/endure every possibilty before we can move on. Who was it? Sidhartha said something similar if I recall correctly and The Fella Shirley McLean talked about (I forget his name) said something similar. My thoughts? Why do we try and find meaning behind everything? Why do we need to know "why?" maybe "is" is all we are supposed to experience and "why" was brought on by religion? Maybe we are not here to learn, but to live, to laugh, and to dance. The Tao Te Ching talks about "the dancer becoming the Dance", maybe it is THAT simple and we need only Dance to KNOW! What can we lose? Dance with me Love? (NT) -- John Scott, 15:53:47 09/03/03 Wed
  • Are you talking to me???? I would LOVE to dance with you! Where? When? How long? Is there a hot tub for after? hahahahahaha Wear your kilt and we can play dress-up. (NT) -- Lissa, 16:48:29 09/03/03 Wed
    • Oh Lissa, I just saw this, you are so naughty! haha (NT) -- John Scott, 02:10:17 09/06/03 Sat
• Goodness! I'm not sure I can listen to this naughty hot tub talk now. Oh yeah, I guess I can. I'm one of those "Other" people, the pagans who aren't ashamed of their "naughty side" hahahahahahaha. Seriously, I try to look for things I'm supposed to learn in most circumstances. I admit I don't find the answers a heck of a lot of the time which probably means maybe there isn't something to learn for EVERY circumstance. I'm not sure if I agree that we are just supposed to BE. Maybe I ask why too much. How do we know if there's something to learn or not if we don't look for the why? Would we learn or discover anything new if we never asked "why"? (NT) -- Lori, 18:34:01 09/03/03 Wed
• Another question, so if we're possibly here to just feel/be/endure every possibility before we move on, if we don't feel/be/endure everything in one lifetime, does that mean we have to keep living more lives until we HAVE felt/been/endured it all? (Not picking on you JS, your comment just raised other possibilities in my little pea-brain hahahahaha). Also, just how many lifetimes does it take to do this? What happenes when we do get to that point? Do we stop having lifetimes? I know I ask too many questions. Because I want to "learn more". Hahahaha I crave learning, wanting to know the why's of things. It fascinates me to be able to ask questions - even if I'll never know the answers. So in that case, is curiosity or wanting to find the answers to things part of being or am I just making things more complicated and I should just shut up and dance...? (NT) -- L. again, 18:56:01 09/03/03 Wed
  • You know, I was thinking that too. Isn´t there a saying in the bible? I only know it in German, roughly translated it would be like: blessed are the not so bright! It means we shouldn´t analyse and think too much, just don´t worry and be happy. :) That´s nothing for me though, I always had to think lots.*lol* (NT) -- Martina *who normally doesn´t quote the bible, but some truth is in the book, no doubt!*, 03:56:45 09/04/03 Thu
    • Martina, I wonder if this is what my husband means when he says affectionately...or sometimes in irritation. *G*....You think too much. lmao! Well, the truth of it is that I worry too much but I am learning. :) I wish I had some good insights into your question but I'm struggling along here in the dark as well, it's very interesting to see what others have said about it. (NT) -- Linda, 15:52:54 09/04/03 Thu
• I don't know if the "something" we are here to supposedly learn exists in the singular. I think there are many things we are here to learn. Perhaps people are all looking for this great, profound "thing" that they are supposed to learn, and they are missing out on all the wonderful learning experiences taking place all the time. Learning to love, learning to appreciate, learning to respect, learning to tolerate,...I could go on. Life itself is a learning experience, perhaps the "thing"we are here to learn is simply all the knowledge that is aquired in experiencing life. (NT) -- Brenda, 01:23:49 09/04/03 Thu
• AH! The human experience! Ever since we evolved into having a consciousness, we have been asking WHY!? Why does the sun rise? What are the stars? Why am I here? Who am I? Where did we all come from? It is human nature to ask why ====> please come inside I went too long -- Jeannine, 01:43:03 09/05/03 Fri
  • I disagree with "we chose to leave God", because there is no separation of him. We are God! Many have said that this is our biggest mistake, to think we are separate from God. Other´s think it´s blasphemy to say that. But that´s an entire new subject I guess.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 05:45:01 09/05/03 Fri
    • well, true, but I read this in a book once, about how demons were formed...notthat I believe in demons, that when we ...separated? from the light and chose to go our own way to learn, the demons were so lost without the god love/light that they felt within the collective, that they experienced anger and evil, and couldnt get out of it. They soared around the universe all pissed off and making trouble. I will look for that book and re read that part, it was very interesting. The others that could survive, came to the earth to be human and learn...I do think there had to be some kind of separation but that yes we are all god inside, all little bits of a whole (NT) -- Jeannine, 02:08:07 09/06/03 Sat

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• OMG, I missed it! HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!! I hope you had a great day! So how young are you now, if I may ask? ;) (NT) -- Martina *neglecting everything over the house stress*sigh*, 15:17:54 09/03/03 Wed
• I missed it too! Sorry Brenda, Happy Belated! (NT) -- John Scott, 15:34:25 09/03/03 Wed
• Hope your day was a great one, Brenda! (NT) -- Lissa, 15:42:07 09/03/03 Wed
• Hmmmmmmmmm for some reason my first post didn't show up! So a very Happy Belated Birthday to you and I hope your special day was wonderful! (NT) -- Lori, 22:15:10 09/03/03 Wed
• Thank you all SO much. Martina, I'm 38...eep! I didn't do too much for my B-Day, Doug's birthday is fairly close to mine so we opted to buy a new barbecue and have it linked to our natural gas line so we don't have to worry about propane ever again (what a romantic birthday gift, eh? *g*) We are looking forward to getting it in a week. Doug bought me a cake and he and the kids all sang happy birthday which was sweet. (although I was afraid blowing out the candles might set off the smoke detectors in the house). Thank you all again, you're the best! (NT) -- Brenda, 01:12:47 09/04/03 Thu
  • Happy happy day! Love you and may all your wishes come true!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:13:08 09/05/03 Fri

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• AWESOME! :oD (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:29:49 08/31/03 Sun
• Hey way to go, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity. Have fun with it. :) (NT) -- John Scott, 06:37:43 08/31/03 Sun
• Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! That sounds wonderful! There is nothing more rewarding than sharing what you do best, love to do, with others that way. I may have the possibility to do that too soon, because my new neighbor is a doctor and he wants to send me patients for Reiki. I would love to do that as a "work at home" job. Lets see how it will develop. Anyway, I am happy for you!!! (NT) -- Martina, 06:57:14 08/31/03 Sun
• WOW Lori your a rock star! *BG!* I can certainly see why she'd be interested in your beautiful jewelery, I had seen pics of it on your site when I ordered so I thought I knew what I was getting. But when they came I was just blown away, the pictures do not even do them justice. It must be all the positive love and energy you put into your creations, it shines through when you have one in your hands. Congratulations!!!! Should I get an order in for those matching earrings before you get too busy to kee up with the demand? LOL :) (NT) -- Linda, 10:23:38 08/31/03 Sun
• Thanks Linda! I really do try to put alot of love and positive energy into all my pieces. That's great Martina about the doctor wanting to give you reiki patients. What a great way to make a living! Good luck to you too and I'll be sending lots of positive energy your way also! I'm just trying to steadily work into getting to do my jewelry full time. There are so many people who do this kind of thing and you really have to be on your toes to stay ahead of the game. (NT) -- Lori, 20:53:23 08/31/03 Sun
• WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO LORI!! That is soooo cool for you! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 10:16:28 09/01/03 Mon
• Hey Lori! This is wonderful news! Many best wishes for continued growth and happiness with your lovely jewelry business. (NT) -- Lissa, 15:48:54 09/03/03 Wed

• Welcome Kylie!! I hope you enjoy your visits here. We are indeed an open-minded group and we love to have new people join us in the fun. Hi Keira!! (NT) -- Lori (waving madly from scorched dry Minnesota!), 12:50:45 09/01/03 Mon
• Welcome to the board Kylie! Nice to see someone new. Looking forward to your posts! (NT) -- Martina, 13:01:10 09/01/03 Mon
• Welcome Kylie, always nice to "see a new face" so to speak. (NT) -- Brenda, 16:56:42 09/01/03 Mon
• Hello and Welcome!! I like your name, very pretty!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:19:10 09/02/03 Tue
• Welcome Kylie! So glad you decided to post! (NT) -- Lissa, 15:46:30 09/03/03 Wed

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• My DH and I use candles ALL the time. I spend so much money on them it's ridiculous hahahahahahaha! I use them for all different things but I buy really good ones when I do my ceremonies/ritual work. I love the way they make a room look - especially at night and we have a ton of them in our bedroom *wink*. I love their smell and the meanings behind all the colors. This is a nice list. I've read many different meanings too but you said it perfectly when you said it's what the colors mean to the actual person. I tried my hand at making candles but I always have trouble with the wicks being crooked and I'm not very good at "topping them off" correctly. (NT) -- Lori, 18:12:17 08/30/03 Sat
• I am one that likes to look at them and smell them, but I dont like to burn them! Well, around Christmas I do, and I started burning one when I write on the computer for divine help, as DG does! Also, come inside cuz I just saw this last night.... -- Jeannine, 00:56:21 08/31/03 Sun
• Oh I love candles, the warm light they spread, the scents... I sometimes use them to replace a fire (living in appt. right now). The colours definitely mean different things to different people, but like anything you need only find the meaning that is right for you. I used to make my own beeswax candles with parafin thrown in to add to the burning time. Maybe one day I can do that again. :) (NT) -- John Scott, 06:42:52 08/31/03 Sun
• New meanings of the colors, indeed, but they do make sense. I LOVE candles as well. And you know what, I respect them. Sounds weird, but I´ve been always afraid of fire. (maybe I was burned as a witch in a past life?*g*) It´s destructive and can do so much harm. Having it in my home on a table, only a single flame which behaves nicely, is like having tamed the power of it, more than that, it`s like the spirit of the fire gives me the honor to enjoy its beauty without any harm. Maybe this is why it has been used for rituals for ages, because people respected the restrained power it holds, using that power for their intentions. (NT) -- Martina, 06:51:59 08/31/03 Sun
• I find a burn a lot more candles in the winter months than the summer months, perhaps this is due to lack of natural light at this time of year? I love them (except the number of them that were on my birthday cake a few days ago!). Sometimes I will even turn the lights out in the house and light a bunch of candles so there is nothing but candelight illuminating the place. It brings about a sense of calm and peace...and with two busy kids, anything that can foster a sense of peace and calmness is much appreciated! (NT) -- Brenda, 16:54:22 09/01/03 Mon

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• I also wonder why the original religion developed so much different on the continents, because over here even catholics are much more open to sex. Strange, hm? (NT) -- Martina, 04:38:00 08/27/03 Wed
  • Martina, that's a good question, America is made up of so many nationalities that it's hard to say where a certain attitude originated from. My father's family is German and Polish, my mother's background is Irish and French Canadian and myself I am a mix of French, English, German and Polish. *BG!* I think each of these groups brought some of themselves and their beliefs into America and we kind of melded together to form a common ground although there are still many many differences between us. More inside.... - -- Linda, 11:53:31 08/27/03 Wed
• Hmmm, a lot to ponder Martina! lol Yes, Americans are hung up on the naked body, I have no idea why. However I think it's important not to jump to any assumptions - I'll put more inside....... -- Linda, 08:02:29 08/27/03 Wed
• Well said Linda. I will say, in reference to the LKH books, that I don't think the sex portrayed in these books is appropriate for a young adult. The sex in some parts of these books was very violent and not particularly mainstream and I don't think a young person is ready mentally to deal with that. I do think that the US is too hung up on hiding things like this from young people and it probably has a negative effect. When you tell someone something is bad or they shouldn't do it....what's their first instinct? Usually to go do it. I think there are good intentions in trying to limit some of these things...naked bodies, sex and violence but it generally backfires>>> -- Colly, 09:31:09 08/27/03 Wed
• I have no time right now.... but I just wanna throw in quickly that I did not refer to the LKH books, just telling how the subject came up, and in that process (and at many other ocassions before) I noticed the "general" attitude towards sex and violence. I agree that the LKH books are nothing for kids!!!! Must run to my house, more later!!! (NT) -- Martina, 10:02:38 08/27/03 Wed
  • Martina, haha! Ok, yes I will look forward to you coming back and elaborating a little more. :) :) (NT) -- Linda, 12:03:17 08/27/03 Wed
• I agree with Linda that the US is a very big and diverse country and that it is impossible to make general statements about everyone. But at the same time, I think part of the sex issue that Martina refers to comes from the people that founded this country, not too many generations ago. The Pilgrims and the first colonists generally came to this country to escape religious persecution, or so we are told. These were sects of believers that just wanted to be left alone to observe their religion as they saw fit. Since they got here first, they got to make the rules, including sex as a shameful thing. These WASPs (white anglo saxon protestants) ruled the land until the Irish Catholics started taking over from the ground up. Only about 40 years ago, it was amazing that JFK got elected because he was Catholic. So the sex thing is not primarily a catholic thing, rather a very straight-laced old protestant thing, the kind that had people wearing black up to their necks even in the summer. -- Lissa...MORE INSIDE>>>>, 14:31:06 08/27/03 Wed
  • Well, it is true that a lot of crap come over the ocean about America. I am glad to have you and all the other wonderful people on the board to make me a bit wiser than the rest of us.*g* >>>> -- Martina, 15:55:35 08/27/03 Wed
• I'd have to agree with the route Lissa is taking. Alot of the colonists were very prudent and there were obviously alot of English (the kind from England) that came over too and they were very straight laced. If you look at some of the things that went on under English rule both in Europe and here, there was much violence but sexual things were totally taboo (except for certain underground groups). The Indians weren't the first people to scalp enemies or torture people, alot of the torture and violence came over from England and was introduced here. They were notorious for using torture to repel acts of sexuality (look at the witch trials and that kind of thing). I'm not getting down on England but alot of that stuff didn't show up in the states until they came over. Personally I think alot of the violence came directly from the Church of England as a way of controlling people. (NT) -- Lori, 22:10:23 08/27/03 Wed
• Too long, please come inside. -- John Scott, 05:10:04 08/28/03 Thu
  • John Scott, Why is your experiences in the military and a bike club indicative of the N Am experience in general? I used to go to my father's rifle matches and also know what bullet holes look like, but not because I live in N Am. Martina might be right to some extent, but I still would not put that big of a blanket statement across the entire continent. Why? Because I live here and that is NOT my experience. Even if what you described was a fair description of the memories of your long ago youth *wink* does that mean that things are still the same today? Sure, we don't have naked weather here but we have MTV and the Love Channel. I also exercize my choice of never bothering to watch anything violent. Neither do I care for skin flicks. I don't need to be a voyeur to enjoy nakedness and sex. Does that make me warped? >>>>>>> -- Lissa, 12:52:10 08/28/03 Thu
    • Well Lissa, the reason I mentioned the experiences I had was just to let you know that I know what a bullet hole looks like, because it was implied I may have been wrong. Not likely. As for blanket statements, look around you, look at your tv. Whether you choose watch a program or not is just that, a choice. The fact is violence is very much on your tv stations, whether you personally watch it or not. Look in your schools, forget that I have had friends shot to death, or beaten to death, just take a look at your news and see how violent it is. D.C has one murder each day, while I was there, there were 5 in 3 days. That is just one city!>>> -- John Scott, 13:35:13 08/28/03 Thu
      • JS, I hope you do not think it was my post that was implying that you may have been wrong about the bullet holes! I thought I made it clear in my post by saying that I was NOT implying your were wrong. I hope that was clear? :) I just wanted to point out that I grew up in that area, have lived there and in the suburbs and now in the country and I've never seen so much as one myself. I can't think of ONE person I know that would find this a common thing. That it most certainly would NOT be normal as Martina suggested in her original post. The people of DC are well aware of the murder rate and NOT at all happy about it. They feel helpless to stop it and often disagree on just how to stop it. As far as blanket statements or assumptions go - I think they can be dangerous, hurtful and destructive. No one likes to be unfairly lumped into this type of stereotype, that does not reflect *them*, because of where they live. IMHO. (NT) -- Linda, 14:13:20 08/28/03 Thu
        • Me saying it would be "normal" to have bullet holes in cars is a result of the media. It is the America picture that gets published all over the world. I am glad I have you guys to actually get to know some truth. Even though I think JS is right with saying America condones violence and a strange attitude towards sexual openness. America as a nation, not every single individual of course! (NT) -- Martina, 15:13:01 08/28/03 Thu
          • I will put a reply inside. :) - -- Linda, 10:31:24 08/29/03 Fri
            • Thank you so much! Maybe that will come true one day. I would love to visit you!!! First comes Lissa though, she is waiting long enough already.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 15:08:54 08/29/03 Fri
              • Ok, getting in line behind Lissa, haha!!! :) (NT) -- Linda, 13:25:23 08/30/03 Sat
      • Calm down, JS. No body implied you were wrong about knowing what a bullet hole looks like, we were just saying that we live in NA and we don't see them driving past us. I used the term "skin flick" loosely as a less than 1000 word way to say obvious nudity. It is hard for me to keep to the discussion of attitudes about nudity and violence when my comments are blown out of proportion like this and then having insult added on top. I end up having to defend myself for things I never said or meant, rather than enjoying a spirited discussion of an interesting topic. And FYI, the Laconia Bike Week happens not far from here and it has been years since there was any violence. (NT) -- Lissa, 14:13:25 08/28/03 Thu
    • Oh wow, I like this discussion!*lol* It is true that I never been in the US, but that is not my point. The point is that I AM chatting with Americans, and other people, and have noticed that attitude everywhere. People from all over the US think like that. That is why I put that blanket all over the country.*g* Because it´s been my personal experience. And naked people on TV (enjoyable or not) aren´t the point either. It was only an example, a thing that shows how shameful the naked body obviously is. And I wanted to know where that comes from, not blame all Americans as being rednecks, hahaha. (NT) -- Martina, 13:36:20 08/28/03 Thu
      • Martina, well I hope we have at least dispelled *some* of the misconceptions about America? LOL But I was thinking, maybe it would be better for you to actually come out and ask these people you come across why they feel the way they do. In a non-threatening way of course. That way they could better help you to understand. It's hard for me to explain a 'why' to something when it does not reflect my own feelings on the matter. Does that make sense? Because I am not coming from their point of view I cannot explain why they might feel one way about one and not the other. Oh heck, I'll put more inside *g* - -- Linda, 14:43:56 08/28/03 Thu
        • Thanks, I see that each country has it´s own problems, that is not what we are talking about here, even though interesting.*g* People here have the same fear about their kids, but there is still no hiding from the subject, or making it a taboo. Kids here get edjucated in that matter, but I know that Americans do that too. I was in chats where parents complained about it.*lol* I personally think it´s a good thing though. Knowledge prevents all those bad experiences, right? (NT) -- Martina, 15:03:23 08/28/03 Thu
• To those of you who don't know, Lissa and I are good friends, she was at my wedding (I have the pics to prove she went kilt diving)lol. We both enjoy a good debate, and mean no offence, so please to not be offended by our mincing of words. Love Ya Lissa! (NT) -- John Scott, 13:40:49 08/28/03 Thu
  • Ah yes, but I went kilt diving at the beginning of the evening while it took you all night and a few beers to prove to me what was actually under it. *VeG* It must be because you are from NA and are ashamed of your nudity. har har har (NT) -- Lissa, 14:16:56 08/28/03 Thu
    • Oh Ouch, you got me there! ;) (NT) -- John Scott, 14:53:32 08/28/03 Thu
• As another point of view (not my own) I know people who keep guns in their houses because they have had experiences with the police not getting to the scene of a crime in a timely manner or not doing much when they do show up. I know several people who think they have the right to defend their families & their property at ANY cost. Many who don't trust cops or the judicial system & feel they have the right to think "and eye for an eye". Also I think that violence has escalated in the last 15 years or so when gangs became more popular. There are more & more single parents who don't watch what their kids are doing, or worse yet, don't care. These kids have nothing to do & end up in violent situations alot. With budget deficits, there are many school programs cut. (NT) -- Lori (ready to get naked & watch something non-violent on TV!), 23:18:22 08/28/03 Thu
• Geeze you guys! I leave for a few days and wow!! ===> inside -- Jeannine, 04:14:04 08/29/03 Fri
  • I like what you said! Interesting about your DD´s. Seems like they are sensing the general attitude and act according to it. "Just the way we are" is probably exactly it, haha. (NT) -- Martina, 15:23:24 08/29/03 Fri

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• Inside>>>> -- Colly, 11:04:37 08/25/03 Mon
  • I would like to know more about that too! So cool!!! Thanks for posting this! It´s incredible, and makes so much sense! I laughed about the early Addams Family decor, hehehe. This containsis a lot of discussion-stuff with some of my friends, hehehe. (NT) -- Martina, 04:47:33 08/26/03 Tue
• WOOOOWWWWWW!!! That was awesome. Where on earth did you find this?? I laughed, almost cried and by the end of it I felt like I do when I read this particular type of thing. Like one of "my own" people wrote it and it all makes so much sense to me. I rather like being one of those "Other People" and I wish it hadn't taken me so long to find that out. Gee, I may have to go out and get an owl (although it might eat my black cat!), I have half the other stuff in my house already (except for the snakes - no snakes!) hahahahahahaha. Way too cool. I have to know where this came from...e-mail me! (NT) -- Lori (feeling way too at home with this one!), 23:22:46 08/25/03 Mon
  • I thought you would like this. I was on a yahoo list called Grand Rapids(Michigan) Pagans and one of the posters, I think his name is Nicodemus had posted this. I wish I had a bible so I could verify the wording. I love it when I find something like this and can point it out to someone who insists that they know everything. And I especially love it if I can point out something from the bible that people have conveniently overlooked. (NT) -- Colly, 09:14:23 08/26/03 Tue
• Fascinating! This shows the problems of taking the Bible literally, as do the "Witlesses" in the story. The Bible is not a historical text, or a textbook either. It is more a collection of stories, especially the Old Testament. Many of them are beautiful stories, some are gory, some are fantasies. The poetry of the Psalms is hard to excel. The Creation story is just that. I will stop here. (NT) -- Ron, 23:35:58 08/25/03 Mon
  • That is exactly how I have always felt abou the Bible...it is merely a collection of stories and to me, the validity of those stories, after being told and retold I'm sure countless times before they were ever recorded....well, you know how a story can be changed. I was, unfortunately once married to person who was taught the the Bible is the complete truth...of course they never mentioned the Other people to me in all their preaching! (NT) -- Colly, 20:55:14 08/26/03 Tue
• Does this explain why my dad likes Nudist Colonies? I am the least modest person, but my mom and all my DDs are VERY modest, they didnt get that from me. So are "the others" like a recessive gene or something? (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:59:43 08/26/03 Tue
• Me again, I had to reread the article and translate it properly.*g* Wow, now a lot of things are clear to me! "The Gods" created life, also humans, and they populated the planet. Then one of them made his own experiment by tempting Adam and Eve with "knowledge". It went not the way he had planned it, they came too close to being immortal, and that´s not according to the God´s plan for this planet. So he threw them off Eden and stopped the experiment. The guilt-infested line of Adam and Eve lived among the pagans, which had nothing to do with the experiment of Yahweh. The bible is not telling the tale of ALL people! Wow, that is so good to hear, hahaha. (NT) -- Martina, 09:07:10 08/26/03 Tue
• Found the website of the author! Didn´t have the time to check it out yet though: http://www.caw.org/articles/index-2.html (NT) -- Martina, 09:12:47 08/26/03 Tue
• Cool! Thanks for the link Martina - I'm checking this one out! I agree Ron, your synopsis of the bible was very well & eloquently put. Your Dad likes nudist colonies J.?????? Has he ever been to one? Also if the decendents of Adam & Eve did live with the Pagans, that says alot right there. All the pagans I know are far more excepting, open-minded & tolerant than alot of the "believers of specific organized religions". (NT) -- Lori, 19:29:03 08/26/03 Tue
  • YUP and YUP!! :oD I read somewhere once that the "Fall" of adam and eve was not a bad thing, they were the first spirits to come to earth, to try to learn as we all do now.... (NT) -- Jeannine, 04:18:27 08/29/03 Fri
• A very much less serious comment - maybe I should become a witless, if they can promise there will be a "Morning Glory" to greet me in every house! >>>> -- Ron, 22:04:52 08/26/03 Tue
• I LOVE IT!!! Of course, I too must be one of "the Other". I had never considered things from that angle before but I will now add it to my repertoire. (NT) -- Lissa, 14:36:49 08/27/03 Wed
  • Yeah, isn´t that cool? Now I finally have an explanation to where all those other people in the bible came from, haha. (NT) -- Martina, 15:58:36 08/27/03 Wed
    • See I always wondered about that too because if there was only Adam and Eve then we're all very seriously inbred! LOL just kidding. But there HAD to be other people. (NT) -- Colly, 16:08:26 08/27/03 Wed
      • Exactly!!! (NT) -- Martina, 05:51:15 08/28/03 Thu
      • Thats one of the things I asked my parents about as a kid. They could NOT answer me to my satisfaction, so I decided to not believe this Hooey! And if you watch the movie...is it Jesus of Nazareth No, one that they play around Easter....the one that murdered his brother cain able whoever, runs away and meets other people and marries a woman. Of course I did read somewhere else that it was his sister..as A&E had more children than C&A to start with. (NT) -- Jeannine, 04:23:00 08/29/03 Fri
• Wow Colly, good find! I enjoyed reading it thinking of what would be going through my Dad's mind as he reads it. Others, well that works for Mom's side, and hey, the Scots were pagans, so I am free! wahoo. Anybody wanna run around "free" with me? ;) lol Oh, better not, I'm still at work. lol (NT) -- John Scott, 05:35:27 08/28/03 Thu
  • Bwahahahahaha! (NT) -- Martina, 07:38:00 08/28/03 Thu

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• ROFL, JS. Oh ya....I have one >>>> -- Brenda, 12:20:40 08/20/03 Wed
• hehehe Wish I was there to see that. *wink* I'm straining my brain to recall any similar incidents... I'll have to come back when I think of something (NT) -- Lissa, 20:02:53 08/20/03 Wed
• Well, in my ehem, middle age, I'm becoming more & more of a clutz (who would ever have guessed I used to teach ballet!). A couple years ago I had bought a new, really pretty bird feeder to feed my finches and cardinals in the yard. I came home from work the first day it was up and saw 2 squirrels devouring all the seed. So yelling and waving my arms wildly at them, I ran from my car and up our 3 steps on the sidewalk, tripped on the long skirt I was wearing and promptly fell on my face skinning both knees in the process. You guessed it! There were 3 different neighbors out doing yard work and they all saw me fall. So I gathered up my skirts and promptly bowed deeply for them! (NT) -- Lori the Graceful (NOT!), 21:17:11 08/20/03 Wed
• Other than messing up my white blouse at inappropriate moments and such, I don´t remember a stituation like that. Maybe I am good at repressing, and a messy eater?*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 08:33:01 08/21/03 Thu
• Oh, I remember something along the embarrassing lines: When I met JS´s mother the first time in Canada, she showed me family photos. There was one of her when she married, and she looked like Liz Tayler or something, gorgeous! I said something like "wow, how pretty you were", and she said "Yeah, what happened, eh?" Now I can laugh about it, but then I felt so stupid! Hahahaha! Good thing the woman has humor! (NT) -- Martina, 08:39:10 08/21/03 Thu
• oh oh I have one! LOL When I first met the hubby I was having my nails done, acrylic tips put on. You know the kind that are *supposed* to last two weeks? Well, the night we met he asked me to dance and as we were dancing one of my nails came off into his hand. He looked at it and then handed it to me and said.....This is yours I think. LMAO!!! I shrugged it off and kept on dancing but inside I was really embarrassed, I still laugh about it when I think of it. (NT) -- Linda, 17:19:55 08/21/03 Thu
  • Bwhahahaha! What if you would have answered "no, is it yours?" hahahaha. But hey, he was being a real gentleman! I think JS would have said something like "you are falling apart on me already"?*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 14:25:28 08/22/03 Fri
    • bwahahahhaa, yes, I can practically hear JS saying that!!!!!! ROFL.. he's as charming as Horst sometimes! hehehhee (NT) -- Antje, 05:44:43 08/23/03 Sat
• I found this on the LOL joke board. It´s funny! In case you haven´t seen it ... >>>> -- Martina, 04:53:34 08/27/03 Wed

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• Very interesting, Lissa! Okay, so what tightens up my guts is that they call themselves a "church". But that might only be me, haha. The word church just implies a different belief to me. I really like the power-of-thought message, because that is what I believe. To me it sounds like a real alternative! Cool, and about time to spread out this concept. :) (NT) -- Martina, 05:17:59 08/24/03 Sun
  • To Linda: Thanks so much for the pics! I will write later in the week, I am terribly busy with the house right now.... (NT) -- Martina, 05:46:29 08/24/03 Sun
• Well I do not care for the "Good omnipotent" That means there is either no evil, or an evil with equal power. I also do not agree that prayer brings "everything good". That means prayer is limited by our egos, what is "good" for me may not be "good" for you. Who defines the "laws of life"? If anyone defines these laws for me, then they are not my laws. I do not believe that life has laws, life has possibilities and probabilities. If I were to define a law for life, I would at that moment be limiting the life I can live because of that law. But I will admit, it sounds better than most of the churches I have experienced. :) (NT) -- John Scott, 10:35:56 08/24/03 Sun
• Lissa is this the same as the Unitarian Universalist churches I've read about? I agree with some things but not others (which is why I set up my own "belief system" because I take things from many belief systems & integrate what makes sense out of them for me). My question is this, what if peoples "laws of life" or the "truth" are totally different (as they seem to be). Does any one human being or group of human beings have the power to say what the laws of life are? I have a problem with people telling me what to think or believe - period. So I guess that's why I am a solitary practitioner of what I believe in only because I make up my own rules and beliefs. I do think they're on the right track tho'. It's a pretty open concept considering most belief systems. I also believe that if it's comfortable for you - whatever you believe in, then that's what is right for you (as long as it harms no one else of course!). (NT) -- Lori, 16:54:21 08/24/03 Sun
• It does sound similar to the U/U church except I think they have 6 or 7 principals, and they relate them to the colors of the rainbow, so it must be 6...U/U however, dont mention christ, and they dewell ( I cant spell this word) mostly on being a good person to become as close to god as we can by being like God. But they rarely even use that word! I went to a church run by the congregation and it was awesome until the minister was hired and then all we heard about was christ...thats when I left. I too have that feeling when I hear the word church, and christ hits me the same way, even though I have come to understand more about him. Iam glad Lissa you felt peace and love there! I hope they are as open to others as they sound (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:52:45 08/25/03 Mon
• Thanks for the clarification J. I knew they were either the same or very similar. It all gets down to how you feel when you're in whatever group you attend (I use group because I don't like the word congregation). More power to you Lissa - if you feel good attending their gatherings, I'd keep going too. Sometimes I wish there were more people that believed in the same things as I do. It gets kinda lonely not being part of a group sometimes but I do enjoy going to different gatherings just to learn and see what else is going on in the world. (NT) -- Lori, 22:58:54 08/25/03 Mon

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• Excellent subject. What I have come to understand from various reading and such, is that symbols are used as a focus. And, the more senses we use, the better our focus. In a christian church, there is incense for our smell, songs for our voices and hearing, rosaries and hands in prayer for touch, stained glass windows and other decorations for sight, communion for taste... all combine to focus our senses on the experience of "church." I have witnessed pagan ceremonies that also include all the senses. Reiki also has things for all the senses, writing symbols, saying them, lighting candles, playing music, and of course touch. You know by now that you do not need to write or say the symbols in order for you to get reiki flowing, but the person learning about the energy may appreciate involving all their senses in order to get in the flow of the experience. The symbols are a tool for creating focus and intention. It's a vehicle for bringing awareness to a different place. JMHO (NT) -- Lissa, 16:54:05 08/22/03 Fri
  • And have no fear, soon enough your child will be old enough to appreciate and agree with your stance on McD's. It is my children who insist that we do not eat there anymore. On the last drive home from NJ, that was all that was available and you should have heard the complaining. hehehe (NT) -- Lissa, 17:00:13 08/22/03 Fri
  • I agree, Lissa. IMO, a symbol is used for a focus of energies. It helps block out other distractions by having something to focus/concentrate on. Women in labout are asked to choose a focal point to fixate on while going through the worst pain in order to give their minds something else to concentrate on besides pain. I believe that symbols are designed to help one focus one's own energies/power....they do not contain power themselves. The power that they are perceived by some to have is only that which humans give them. (NT) -- Brenda, 13:54:49 08/23/03 Sat
• Very interesting question! I was thinking that we alone as humans have the ability to interpret symbols into any kind of meaning. For us it is almost second nature now, like reading, letters/words are symbols we interpret, but ages ago, only the powerful could read and write and it was like a Mystery to the rest. And while I do know that apes can deal with symbols, I dont think they put much meaning into them beyond it getting them attention or food.The power of belief is very strong, but I think we use these symbols as channels/ links to the Universe. God if you will. But I think the Universe works this way because thats how humans work. I mean if there was another way for us to connect with the power out there, the Universe would use that too. The Universe is there and wants us to be connected with it. So the power comes to us in whatever way we understand it, create it, use it! Do I make sense? (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:30:13 08/23/03 Sat
  • it makes sense to me Jeannine! :-) Seeing symbols as tool for a better concentration, making a more stable connection to the engery somehow. Symbols are human-made, but I also believe that those who create these symbols give them some kind of power, the power of intention, and wherever the symbol is written sensitive people can sense this kind of power - negative or postive. (NT) -- Antje, 06:01:11 08/23/03 Sat
    • also, Take Hitlers "Hakenkreuz" (swastika) for example, he took a very powerful positive symbol mirror inverted, to channel very negative powerful engery for his purposes.I've once read somewhere if you take mirror-invert positive symbols you do make them more powerful, but negative. Could be a myth, but with Hitlers Hakenkreuz this explanation made sense to me. Wherever this sign was visible, there was his negative spirit and he became more and more powerful. I think with the help of the Hakenkreuz he "hammered" his spirit into the heads of the people. One could say "tainted" them. Though it was men-made it carried some certain kind of spirit, people knew what it stood for,made a connection in their minds when they saw it, hence they "fed" it with energy and at the chains end stood the creator and gained all the energy and used it... does THIS makes any sense? LOL (NT) -- Antje, 06:04:19 08/23/03 Sat
    • YES! Very well put! (NT) -- J, 01:21:45 08/25/03 Mon
• My brother is a Mason and he is very into it, in a very big way. He collects old books and has become a source of information on many of the origins of the organization. When I was at his house a few weeks ago, I was talking with him about the Masons. I asked him what the secret was that they were guarding. He told me that there probably was one at one time, but that it is now pretty much all ceremony and brotherhood now. My other brother made the point that their secret was that they were all free-thinking men, something that could have gotten them killed at some points in history. I thought that was a fascinating concept... that their secret was that they could think outside what was "acceptable" at the time. The men who organized the US structure were certainly ahead of their times in thinking and the bravery to see it realized. (NT) -- Lissa, 18:44:53 08/23/03 Sat
  • I have been researching F Masons recently FMasons (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:20:00 08/25/03 Mon
• I pretty much agree with all that's been said about the power being in us. I really feel that the senses have a great deal to do with it also. I do alot of cermonies/rituals and I always use things that involve all the senses. Candles/incense for smell, crystals/rocks that I hold in my hand for touch, celtic music or native american flute in the background for hearing, etc. These are all symbols in and of themselves and create a more "whole" experience. It's interesting how certain symbols make people react, like the swastika, and the almighty dollar sign. It's too bad we can't find an international symbol for love that could be used to that extent. There was the peace sign years ago but that just seemed to be a marketing ploy after while & people lost the meaning behind it. (NT) -- Lori, 16:37:31 08/24/03 Sun

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• sorry, don know nothin about them juicers! (NT) -- Jeannine, 23:51:14 08/17/03 Sun
• I don´t think it´s cheaper if you have to buy the fruits/veggies. If you grow them yourself it definitely is. It tasts so much better too! But it´s a lot of work, because you can´t store it for long, and must make it fresh all the time. That´s why I don´t do it. I am a lazy butt.*lol* But a friend of mine with a huge garden does it all the time, and says it´s worth the effort. As far as I know using it IS a pain in the butt, hehe, because it messes up the whole kitchen. Have fun!*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 04:07:00 08/18/03 Mon
• I forgot to mention that my friend makes very yummy wine of the juice if they have too much to drink fresh. That´s a nice side effect.*VBG* (NT) -- Martina, 04:11:53 08/18/03 Mon
• ----->>>>> damn, I was too long again ;-) inside please >>>>>>> -- Antje, 12:13:59 08/18/03 Mon
• I had a juicer once, gave it away like new as it was a pain to use and messy. A blender on the other hand is REALLY good, great for making healthy drinks and necessary for daqueries. Stick with a name brand you know, cheap appliances are just that, cheap. Save your pennies until you can get a name brand, I don't mean the best, just a good name. If you get one, let us know the juicy details! ;) (NT) -- John Scott, 14:09:53 08/19/03 Tue
• Hahahahahahahahahaha juicy details - clever one you are! : ) I think I am going to do just that. Most of the people I talked to finally said they think they're more of a pain than not and we can get organic juice a few places around here now so we'll just do that for a while. Man I'm addicted to carrot/orange/apple mixed juice now. Mmmmmmmmm Thanks for all your suggestions guys! (NT) -- L., 18:53:58 08/19/03 Tue

• Hey John Scott... yes hell exists. It is in a small town in northern South Carolina and right plunk in the middle of it is my ex-husbands house... he is the model prisoner in hell. Seriously. (NT) -- Jennifer, 15:58:44 08/15/03 Fri
  • hahahaha Jennifer, how on earth to answer THAT assertion! I cannot argue with you, even without knowing what's new in this summer's visitation adventure. I was going to answer John Scott that hell is a state of mind. That being said, your ex most certainly lives in a hellish state of mind most of his waking hours, as proved by his insistence on thinking of more and varied ways to be hellish. Now the question becomes, should you join him in that state of mind, even though he does as much as he can to bring you there with him, to claim your soul for the demon side? The choice is yours. Heaven or hell. I mean that seriously. (NT) -- Lissa, 17:03:09 08/15/03 Fri
    • I realized that my dear ol' dad had me in a hellish state of mind only because I ALLOWED it. Nothing about our relationship is different, except for my state of mind, what I allow myself to experience, my perspective. He is no different than he ever was, but thru the years, I have experienced a myriad of emotions simply by changing my perspective of things. I believed it so much at one point that I really thought his evilness was real. But I have come to know that it was as real as I wanted it to be. Make any sense? So whatever ex-man is doing right now, please don't buy into it, even tho your children are most certainly involved. Put all your energy toward focusing that they will return to you safe and sound. Then help them to process their experience so that they don't have to carry around the weight of it. (NT) -- Lissa, 17:04:15 08/15/03 Fri
• Here is my humble opinion of the subject..... Hell exists as a creation of man, a place we can go in our minds to torture ourselves simply because we are free to experience anything we want since God gave us Free Will. I also have come to believe that it is far more easy for people to think that there is an incarnate being who preys on them and has influence over whether they make "good" or "right" decisions. This is a very convenient way to avoid Personal Responsibility in all areas of life. How easy is that, to be able to say that some mysterious creature with destructive powers is out there messing with our lives? I also believe that Hell is a convenient way for religious powers to keep people in line, by using the threat of such a place along with the denial of the other more pleasant place called heaven. So in short, heaven and hell are states of mind, the perceived experience of which organized religions use to have influence over keeping membership and power. (NT) -- Lissa, 17:17:47 08/15/03 Fri
  • The question is... Can the organized religion known as christianity exist without heaven and hell? Also, your questions remind me of John Lennon's song "Imagine." And another thing, this topic of heaven and hell is explored in that excellent movie starring Robin Williams where he finds himself walking through his wives paintings when he dies.... can't think of the name of it right now. OH What Dreams May Come. Good movie. (NT) -- Lissa, 17:23:58 08/15/03 Fri
  • Ditto! Well put so I wont bother! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:09:32 08/16/03 Sat
• hahahaha Sorry for all the writing, but you got me started on a subject that my brother and I were discussing this weekend, sometimes with our born-again BIL. Needless to say, no one was converted to the other side. Let me ask you this.... A woman lived her life doing wonderful service for fellow womankind and then hit a depression where she ended up killing herself. Did God ignore her entire life of incredible good works just because she ended her own life against his law, or did He show the compassion that He is said to have and allow this one bad decision to slide and thus allow his child to come home to heaven? Is life really like a Mayan game of ball where the losers are sent to their death? Or do we all get a pat on the back at the end of our game because at least we did our best playing? I really wish someone else would please hurry up and post to this so that I can stop having a conversation with myself here. hahahahhaha (NT) -- Lissa, 18:27:09 08/15/03 Fri
  • Which book is it? Journey of Souls or Conversations with God...that the suicide departed person has to go over the options he/she could have used, they see the pain they left behind, they LEARN from what happened and from the other choices they could have made etc. OF COURSE we all go to heaven! Thats why its called the Spirit World.God loves us all even the psychopaths (and the DHs Ex wife, who would have no compunction about trying to control heaven too) they all just need the R&R section of heaven to overcome the evil and be re-?programed? not the right word, but thats what I think about it. (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:17:59 08/16/03 Sat
• Isn´t he a sweetie?*G* Lissa, great words! I agree completely! Funny thing is the contradiction in Christian beliefs again. How can hell exist like that, if God is almighty? The whole concept never made sense to me. And I never met a Christian able to explain cohorently. Too bad we don´t have one here to discuss it without being offending. I just would like to really understand those people. How do they deal with the contradictions of this religion? (NT) -- Martina, 05:51:19 08/16/03 Sat
• Haha Jennifer, if that were true then Hell would be in Canada with MY ex! lol. Lissa, I think Hell was invented by christians, and the bible states god is pure good, and god is omni-present. So how can god be everywhere and pure good when Hell exists? For hell to exist god can't be everywhere or god can't be pure good. (NT) -- John Scott, 07:11:59 08/16/03 Sat
• I have to agree mostly with Lissa & Jeannine. Very well said! I do believe that in each life, you pick your life's lesson to learn, whether it's good or bad. I've read there are certain native tribes (can't recall the specific ones, JS you might know more about this) that believe that in the afterlife you end up with people who were like you in your physical life. If you were a good person & did good things, you would end up with those types of people, if you were bad - well I guess that would be a sort of hell in itself. As far as a physical heaven & hell - I definitely think that is an organized religious thot' process of controlling people in their physical lives to some extent. (NT) -- Lori, 00:30:49 08/17/03 Sun
• Boy this is a hard one to let go! Martina I think you're right too, I have never met any Christians who were able to explain all the discrepancies & contradictions in that religion. I think "Spirit" is everwhere, and is ultimately good but I have to wonder what completely pure means. I think sometimes that evil can be something as simple as a bad choice or as complicated as a whole lifetime of bad choices. Spirit gives us these choices to make and because everyone is different, we make different choices, thus making our own "heaven" or "hell". Somedays I feel like I've made my own hell and other days I feel like I'm in that perfect place - even if it's only for a few moments. Phew! I must have worked out too much tonight. My mind is just mush thinking about all this hahahahahahahahaha (NT) -- Lori again, 00:46:55 08/17/03 Sun
• I agree about the Christian thing...there are things said like "the fear of God" then "God is Love" How opposite is that! How can God choose those that will rise at the end of the world if he loves us all? How can those people that go to church every sunday be good but on monday beat their wives and kids??? The bible tells of all the bad things God did to the people in a fit of temper...floods, pillars of salt for looking at S&G, the tower of Babel, making all the different languages, granted they are stories someone wanted to teach with, but God striking people dead? I dont think so.... (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:59:04 08/17/03 Sun
• Married and Angel, awwww what a sweetheart you are! :) :) No, I don't believe in a hell except that which we create for ourselves through our own fear and hate. I believe that all of us when we cross over go to 'heaven' and souls that are troubled get help to heal. (NT) -- Linda, 17:41:17 08/18/03 Mon
  • exactly what I think! (incl. that JS is a sweetheart and the best BIL I have! *G*) (NT) -- Antje, 05:13:46 08/19/03 Tue
    • Thanks for the thoughts and compliments! (ever seen a red man blush? lol) (NT) -- John Scott, 14:15:06 08/19/03 Tue

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• O just hear about this on the morning news! It's 8 am here in middle Europe and they say parts of NYC are still without power, but the subways so far evacuated! Oh, what a scare to be in a dark tunnel under the earth with no power!!! Or in a skyscapers lift? Keira, Ron, I hope you're okay!!!! (NT) -- Antje, 02:09:59 08/15/03 Fri
  • I just heard a German reporter speaking live from New York and he was asked how he had experienced this power outage and he said, it wasn't that bad, just no AC and 86°C, but he must be used to that if he's Germany ;-) He also says he admires the calmness of the New Yorkers, he said after they heard this isn't a Terror related event they became very cool and relaxed and even joke about it! (NT) -- Antje, 02:32:54 08/15/03 Fri
    • that would be 86° FARENHEIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *G* (NT) -- Antje, 05:43:07 08/15/03 Fri
    • It's funny that with the heat wave in Europe, their main coverage of this massive event is about airconditioning. hahaha It's about the fact that energy from Canada to NY went out in only 3 seconds. Of all the news reporting I heard and watched last night on all the channels, no one mentioned airconditioning. They talked about all these thousands of people out in the streets, they wondered if there would be looting, they wondered what people would do for food. They talked about how people were directing traffic because the traffic lights were out, how strangers were helping each other, how the subways were all safely evacuated and people stuck in elevators were all rescued. There was an incredible lack of panic and an obvious air of adventure. Hearing you talk of the German news reports of no airconditioning was the first I had heard of that angle of the story. *G* It must be the current european obssession with their heat wave. *wink* (NT) -- Lissa, 12:46:35 08/15/03 Fri
      • Gee, of course our news coverage wasn't just concentrating on AC's Lissa! It's the same coverage like you had (as far as I could see on CNN and CNMBC. It's just when you sit there in your own sweat for weeks already and then you hear people complain about suddenly no AC and 86°F that just makes you smile! :-) (NT) -- Antje, 07:29:13 08/17/03 Sun
        • I'm glad to hear that the reporting was well-rounded. I hope you could see that I was having fun with you about that subject. I apologize if anyone took my statements the wrong way, like I was attacking someone or something. Just laughing back at what you guys were laughing about to begin with. Anyways, no AC in NYC during that kind of heat is a serious thing since the city is mostly all concrete and holds the heat worse than around our houses with all the green. I hear that most of the heat deaths in France are in Paris, where I imagine the city conditions are like NYC. Like you have said, most people in your area don't need AC. It's the same for lots of people around here....they just stiff it out during heat waves. But places like NYC need to have AC to deal with their tight spaces and thousands of people, so it's a good thing that they got it back before serious health troubles started. Whatever... it's all past and all good. And all we're doing is talking *G* (NT) -- Lissa, 21:50:51 08/17/03 Sun
• My thoughts are with all those people too! Must be a real (bad) adventure to be without the one thing that runs all our lives. I picture all the frozen stuff in the houses going bad, and other complications, while having no air conditioning must be the least problem for them right now. (NT) -- Martina, 04:45:29 08/15/03 Fri
• I just read an article about it and couldn´t stop grinning. People complain about the heat without air conditioners, and it said mommies in hospitals are suffering. Interesting how people are getting used to everything. We don´t have cooled down hospitals here, and it is normal to deliver babies in the heat. We don´t suffer.*lol* That doesn´t make us any better or stronger of course, but I was thinking how funny that is, seeing our peoples reaction to this, they only shrug and can´t imagine what´s so bad about the heat thing.*lol* It was said NY has 32°C, which is unbearable, while we have 36°C in our offices! And then look at all the soldiers in Iraq who suffer much worse. Different perceptions make for different opinions, I guess. (NT) -- Martina, 06:12:47 08/15/03 Fri
  • Martina, get out?! You don't have AC in your hospitals? That's just so hard for me to imagine. lol Count me in as one of those cool-air spoiled Americans, I keep mine in the house set on 73F and that's where it stays. I don't care for heat at all, in fact I much prefer Fall and Winter to Spring and Summer. However, I do think of Doug whenever I'm out and the heat seems so uncomfortable, I know it's much worse for him there. I asked him when the summer ended there and he said sometime around next month he thought. (NT) -- Linda, 11:05:29 08/15/03 Fri
    • In my delivery room was an AC and I delivered both babies in June. Also the intensive care and the operation rooms have AC. But no AC in the rooms where you lay, on the floors or in the offices etc. Just where it's really needed.. WHEN it's needed. This summer was exceptional hot, and do you believe that I freeze already with ony 77°F today? I think I'll gonna wear socks again! LOL, I bet Doug will freeze his nicely shaped... ummm backside off when he's back home in winter! I hope you intend to keep him warm! *winks* LOL (NT) -- Antje, 07:36:30 08/17/03 Sun
      • Oh Antje, I can think of about a dozen ways I'd like to keep the hubby and those cute buns of his warm this winter! *BG!* I'm glad to hear at least some rooms in the hospital have AC, I was thinking about how the atmosphere around someone that's ill tends to have a certain odor and combine that with hot, sweaty flesh......you get the idea. lol (NT) -- Linda, 17:37:38 08/18/03 Mon
        • yeah I do.. and actually I KNOW how those odors bother you first hand! As I said, the bedrooms on the usual floors aren't AC'd so if you're very lucky (NOT) you shre your room with a spanish or turkish Lady, who's family thinks they have to visist their poor sick (or just delivered) family member the WHOLE freaking day, bringing garlic-cooked food and chat and laugh all day, while you lay next to them trying to breastfeed your first baby the first time. I tell you, NO fun! I always pressed the nurse button and she sweeped them out of the room for an hour or two.. meanwhile they gather in tha hall! It's sometimes really bothersome, especially in summer with body odors or several perfumes and after shaves.. ewwwwww And the funny thing is they don't listen and do like they don't understand German if they are told to just GO HOME! lol (NT) -- Antje, 05:12:04 08/19/03 Tue
          • whoa! I just heard on the radio that in a BRANDnew hospital in Northern Germany where ALL rooms have AC's there has been many infections with the legionaeris infection!!! Maybe a little warm air from an opened window is much healthier and better than ACed air after all? The guy said that AC's always carry bacterias and fungis and stuff into the air.... Well, it all has it's advantages and cons! :-) (NT) -- Antje, 05:20:23 08/19/03 Tue
• *Sigh* we are indeed spoiled with the A/C. I can't deal with heat much over 80-85 - especially if it's humid too. Had heat stroke a couple times and since then it's been hard to be in. I guess it's what you're used to. I read that up to 3000 people have died from the heat in France this week and I know it's very very hot in Germany too. Not my cup of tea - I'm a weenie when it comes to really hot stuff. I'm a fall baby like you Linda! It could be October all year round and I'd love it. You have to admire the New Yorkers tho'. They just seem to take anything that comes along in stride. I guess they've seen it all. Gotta admire spirit like that. (NT) -- Lori, 12:02:06 08/15/03 Fri
• Hi guys, I'm back from our wee vacation in NJ at my brother's house. It is especially fascinating for me to be watching the news coverage of the NYC blackouts because exactly one week ago, I was in Times Square about to go to a Broadway show! I could have been there for the excitement. hehehe We were watching the news last night with arial views of all the people having to once again walk out of the city and all the cars lined up for miles. The big problem was not the loss of airconditioning, but rather the inability of the elevators and subway cars to work. The trains are the kind that have the poles on the top going to the electrical lines that run above the tracks, so when the electricity went out, all the trains stopped. That is why there were huge masses of people at the docks waiting for boats to take them out of Manhattan, which is an island, or why the bridges were covered with people walking across. (NT) -- Lissa, 12:35:06 08/15/03 Fri
  • Most people live outside of Manhattan so the only way for them to get home is to cross a bridge, get thru a tunnel, or take a boat. As you can imagine, these were all choked with cars and people. The airconditioning was the least of their trouble, especially since all the stores closed and there was no food available. For most of these people, walking out of the city on a nice summer night sure beats running thru a cloud of dust, or walking down the stairs of your highrise building without wondering if it was going to fall on you, is a big improvement over the events of 2 years ago. That's why they are all happy and just dealing with it. Perspective is a wonderful thing, isn't it. (NT) -- Lissa, 12:36:21 08/15/03 Fri
• Here's an interesting statistic for you.... 50 Million people lost power in less that 10 seconds. Amazing. (NT) -- Lissa, 19:15:48 08/15/03 Fri
• Of course the lack of air conditioning is NOT the most important problem, hahaha. It just stroke me funny because in that one article I read it was such a big thing. Besides, we do have air conditioning in public buildings, some butchers, drugstores and such have it, but it´s not the rule, and it´s not in the bedrooms of the hospitals! Our health system is way too expensive anyway, so nobody would spend money on such a luxory thing. We don´t need it much either. This summer is a total exception with up to 40°C and more in some areas. Normally we don´t go over the 35°C mark (for only 4 weeks a year!), which, believe it or not, is easily bearable, because there is not much humidity. It´s nice warm.*g* At night it cools down reasonably, just not this year! We had up to 28°C all night long! But it got cooler already. Last night we were sitting on a balcony wrapped into blankets, because the wind was chilly. The heat is over, whoohoo! (NT) -- Martina, 05:40:02 08/16/03 Sat

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• HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!!!!!! (NT) -- Antje, 02:01:15 08/15/03 Fri
• Herzlichen Glückwunsch, Brenda!!! I hope you will have a great day, and maybe some kid-free romantic hours?*winks* (NT) -- Martina, 04:39:41 08/15/03 Fri
• HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!! and many more! (NT) -- Lissa, 12:49:41 08/15/03 Fri
• Happy Anniversary to you both! I hope your day is filled with much love & laughter. (NT) -- Lori, 00:33:36 08/17/03 Sun
• Thank you all for your wishes. The forest fires are calming down so I am keeping my fingers crossed that the worst is over. The kids and I just got back from a week at my parents' on Vancouver Island and Doug will get back home tonight after a weekend mountain bike trip with the rescue guys. Hopefully he hasn't injured any significant body parts...especially ones that may be useful on the 19th *EG*. (NT) -- Brenda, 19:52:12 08/17/03 Sun
  • ROTFL!!! (NT) -- Martina, 04:01:34 08/18/03 Mon
• Happy Anniversary Brenda and Doug! (NT) -- Hugs, Colly, 09:34:21 08/18/03 Mon

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• I dont want to know, I am sad and depressed I didnt get my Keira hug and my DG fix or to meet Doug. I just dont want to hear about the good time you all had. :o( (NT) -- Jeannine pouting...., 01:16:52 08/12/03 Tue
• Hiya Gang!!!!! I have been having some major computer problems at home and haven't been able to post often or even get on the computer. The computer has been back and forth from the computer hospital all summer and it's still not right. Lissa, I owe you an e-mail but can't get to my mailbox. Please know I'm thinking of you and as soon as said computer is fixed-I'll be writing. Come inside for more>>>>>>>>>>> -- Keira, 06:01:39 08/12/03 Tue
  • Thanks for the update. Yup, we need pictures!!! Hope your computer is back to normal soon! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 06:31:12 08/12/03 Tue
  • It WAS a great time! I do have my first pics back, so will post some of them later today. (NT) -- Ron, 08:13:34 08/12/03 Tue
  • Keira, I saw you sitting next to Herself!!! :-)--------------- Jeannine, don't pout, see I'm stuck here in Europe and miss that fun all the time! :-) (NT) -- Antje, 13:43:54 08/12/03 Tue
• Fergus was great this year, despite the rain on saturday night that flooded our tent. I met a great guy named Ian. The dinner with Diana was great. I got another book signed and actually ran into 2 girls that I had seen 3 weeks before at my class reunion. Talk about a surprise! Saw Enter the Haggis play at the beer tent, but missed Seven Nations :( Met some great people, made new friends and didn't want to leave. (NT) -- Colly, 10:31:48 08/12/03 Tue
  • Ohhh I love Enter the Haggis! I saw them at the one and only Highlanders Festival I attended, bought one of their CD's on the way out too. :) (NT) -- Linda, 11:15:29 08/12/03 Tue
  • I saw Aislinns pictures of Fergus over at FFF!!! Colly, you've got yourself a really good looking guy there! :-) He's the one you were talking about on the RObb list right? Is he as nice as he looks? (NT) -- Antje, 13:41:48 08/12/03 Tue
    • NO, this is a new guy! This is Ian from Toronto who wears a kilt and is absolutely gorgeous and has the most wonderful accent! I think I want to move to Canada. (NT) -- Colly, 09:01:32 08/13/03 Wed
      • Oh yeah, there definitely is something about those Canadian men...!!! *VBG* (NT) -- Martina, 09:41:55 08/13/03 Wed
• Oh it all sounds like way too much fun. Donna (who lurks here once in a while) was there and tried to find those of you that were there - visited the beer tent 3 times but only ran into Val and Val and JP so she was bummed. She was going to give everyone hugs from me! Glad everyone had a great time and hopefully next year I can make it. It's been too long...Can't wait to see pictures!!!!!!!! Keira I hope your computer woes end soon. There are a couple nasty viruses going around right now so I hope you have good protection for that too! (NT) -- Lori, 18:19:08 08/13/03 Wed
• Hi Keira! Glad to hear that your absence is merely because of computer troubles. *G* I imagined that you were as busy as I have been with everyone home for the summer. Hard to believe that school and September are just around the corner. (NT) -- Lissa, 13:07:08 08/15/03 Fri

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• I'm using CD's for weight loss/body image. I'm exercising 4x a week & am feeling better about myself already. Being hypnotised isn't about control. It works through deep relaxation/meditation/visualization. It is giving me a new perspective on what I can do through the power of suggestion. I still hear and feel what's going on around me & have my full mental/physical abilities about me at all times. I do not view this as losing control at all. Nobody is taking over your mind at any time & it's not like those TV shows where they have an audience member "go under" & bark like a dog or something. It's more akin to positive reinforcement through deep relaxation. I do think that alot of people have control issues. I think it has more to do with a fear of the unknown or in others maybe selfishness or a myriad of other deep rooted issues within themselves. My control issue is doing everything myself because I'm afraid it won't get done if I don't . I'm working on that one ; ) (NT) -- Lori, 12:52:08 08/10/03 Sun
• Thot' some more about the hypnosis stuff throughout the day. I know several people that have quit smoking through hypnosis where nothing else worked. Done also by guided meditation/visualization while in a deep relaxive state. I think that there is something deep inside our psyche that prevents us from doing something bad or something we truly don't want to do while we're in this state. If one of these tapes, for example were to suggest I go out and murder somebody, I know I wouldn't do it because that part of me that knows right from wrong would stop me first. Now the question I haven't found an answer to is everyones "part" in their psyche on the same level. Would some people actually be more suseptable to doing wrong to others? Does that have to do with totally trusting yourself then? I'll do some more research... (NT) -- Lori, 20:31:08 08/10/03 Sun
• Well, There is a lot to say about this so come inside please===> -- Jeannine, 23:58:13 08/10/03 Sun
• I'd love to be hypnotized (sp?) sometime, to do a past life regression or to get over this horrible fear I have of the dentist, I get panic attacks and everything when I sit down in that chair. *shudder* So in a responsible environment I am ok with it. On the other hand, I don't want to lose control of myself through drugs or medications, that would completely freak me out! (NT) -- Linda, 11:14:21 08/12/03 Tue
  • Linda, I'm sure we had the same dentist in some past life!!!! ;-) (NT) -- Antje - briefly delurking, 13:45:50 08/12/03 Tue
• Oh I know what you mean about the dentist. My sister and I were abused by our dentist and his assistants. If we dared to cry or anything they would hold us down forceably and yell at us all the time. It's definately carried over into our adult lives and they have to give me novacaine, gas and they might as well just knock me out with a rubber mallet. No fun! I should check to see if there are any hypnosis tapes out there for fear of the dentist. I'll let you know ; ) I'd love to have a past life regression done too. I'm hoping this fall around my birthday maybe. (NT) -- Lori, 18:09:31 08/13/03 Wed
  • OMG Lori, that's insane!! I suppose that you don't find the dentist in Little Shop of Horrors to be very amusing, eh? I am sure that you would get great benefit from dealing with that trauma directly, rather than just hypnotizing yourself to not fear a dentist. The fear will most likely take care of itself once you deal with the cellular memories of such a truama. yikes. I can't imagine. Anyways, past life regressions are fun and oh so interesting. Hope you get the chance to have one. What a cool birthday gift that would be. (NT) -- Lissa, 13:01:47 08/15/03 Fri
• Control is only a bad thing if it controls you. *wink* (NT) -- Lissa, 12:52:46 08/15/03 Fri

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• Hello Amanda! Please feel free to join in on all the conversations. A very happy welcome to you. (NT) -- Lissa, 12:55:13 08/15/03 Fri

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• Brenda, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your precious DH at this time. My husband is a police officer and also in Iraq right now (Natl. Guard Reserves, he's been away almost 6 months now) so I well know what it's like to sit home and worry. And all those that volunteer to help and put their lives on the line are the true heroes of the world! You have much to be proud of, God bless you both. And big hugs to both you and your family. Hang in there!! (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 15:07:58 08/06/03 Wed
  • 6 months! Wow, what an incredible committment. You must miss him terribly. My thoughts are with you as well. E-mail me any time if you like. Take out the "nospam" in the addy though. (NT) -- Brenda, 15:30:40 08/06/03 Wed
    • Thank you Brenda! Yes, I do miss him, my heart aches. Have you heard from your hubby? How are the fires going? Can he check in often to let you know he's ok? (NT) -- Linda - getting tired of typing in the sw va part. *G*, 10:08:34 08/07/03 Thu
      • Do you hear regularely from your DH from Iraq??? Is there word on when he can come home? (NT) -- Martina, 07:15:11 08/08/03 Fri
        • Yes Martina, I have been lucky in that he's been able to call quite often and sometimes email too. :) He waits in line for the phone or the computer for hours so I sent him one of those handheld football games to give him something to do. lol No definite word on when he may be coming home but there is a possibility that he could be home in a couple of months. I'm hoping my little heart out!! (NT) -- Linda, 18:12:36 08/08/03 Fri
          • Oh my, my heart is with you!!!! I will send energy to the situation. It must be so hard for you, especially the worry part! HUGS!!! (NT) -- Martina, 06:44:23 08/09/03 Sat
• I think these people that give their time, sweat & energy on a volunteer basis are unbelievable. Especially when you think that they are losing money or have to be in a dangerous situation away from their own families. The unsung heroes - isn't that the term for these folks. I'm sorry your DH won't be able to make your trip with you and the kids. I'm sure his help will be much appreciated by all involved. My heart and prayers go out to all these people and to you and yours. (NT) -- Lori, 18:14:52 08/06/03 Wed
• Brenda, my thoughts are with you and Doug! All those helpers are incredible, real Hero´s! Thanks for telling us about!!! Funny, I think Linda´s DH is named Doug too, isn´t he Linda? :) (NT) -- Martina, 04:59:07 08/07/03 Thu
  • Yes, his name is Doug. :) (NT) -- Linda, 10:11:24 08/07/03 Thu
• Brenda and Linda, your DH's are very brave men. They are in my prayers and I will send Reiki (NT) -- Maria A., 10:09:37 08/07/03 Thu
  • Thank you Maria, that is very sweet. :) (NT) -- Linda, 10:15:50 08/07/03 Thu
• Love and Thanks sent to the 2 Dougs! (NT) -- Jeannine, 02:20:30 08/08/03 Fri
• Thank you all for your good wishes. Once again, your powers to do wonderful and amazing things have worked. Doug was able to get his crew together and got them sent on their way. Then, the past coordinator told Doug that he was willing to coordinate the next crew, which meant Doug was able to spend a couple days with us on the island and was able to attend my cousin's wedding (which was lovely, by the way). He has just headed home now. Also, the firefighters are starting to make some headway in controlling the blazes. Thanks to all of you for enabling this to come about. (NT) -- Brenda, 22:30:11 08/10/03 Sun
  • Brenda, this is great news! So glad to hear it! :) :) Happy hugs to you both!! (NT) -- Linda, 11:17:52 08/12/03 Tue

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• I am not sure on this. How can they be sure it is real? But then... when I feel like being about to leave my body, I experience a strong pull upwards that makes me dizzy and feels very REAL. Once I grabbed my bed hard and screamed NO in my head, because the pull was like a huge vacuumer sucked on my upper body. It didn´t feel good at all, and it stopped immediately after my NO. So as for me I can´t say I was fantasizing. I was wide awake and had tried it on purpose, being shocked when it actually happened, hehe. (NT) -- Martina, 05:49:29 08/07/03 Thu
  • This might get a little long so come inside! :) Part One - -- Linda, 09:53:14 08/07/03 Thu
    • Ok, Part Two! - -- Linda, 10:04:56 08/07/03 Thu
      • Oh, Linda, that was great. Thanks for the post. Definitely a book I'll have to read. (NT) -- Maria A., 10:15:01 08/07/03 Thu
      • Thank you very much, why did you stop?*lol* Sounds like a very good book! Yes, that sucking feeling was scary. One of my fears also is if I am not alone in the house, what if someone tries to wake me up? Not a nice thought. When I experienced that my DD was small and woke me regularely in the nights. I have more peace now, maybe I just should try again. I will keep you guys posted.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 07:11:27 08/08/03 Fri
        • Haha, my fingers were going to fall off I had to stop! *G* Yes, it's a fascinating book! It's been on the bestseller books here, I would highly recommened it. :) (NT) -- Linda, 18:08:10 08/08/03 Fri
• If you are interested in more info on out of body experiences, there are a number of books written my Robert Monroe. He actually experimented with them and wrote down his experiences. It's best to start with the earlier books he wrote, because the last one (can't remember the titles) was pretty far out. >>>>>> -- Maria A., who is back in circulation, less busy at work and has time to hand out at SW., 10:00:51 08/07/03 Thu
  • That sounds reasonable. I would probably not have come again, hahaha. (NT) -- Martina, 07:13:09 08/08/03 Fri
• Isnt that called Astral travel? And the out of body thing can be learned...I will have to go check my books. YOU Martina have admitted to not liking the feeling of losing CONTROL and that is what you have to do to enjoy this sensation, you have to give up/surrender and let yourself GO!! :oD Come inside for more on my experiences===> -- Jeannine, 02:18:38 08/08/03 Fri
• Thanks for all the replies!!! Wow, that is interesting! I will have to read more about it I guess. Jeannine, you are right, I have a hard time giving up control, that´s why it doesn´t work. Too many fears there I guess. (NT) -- Martina, 07:08:44 08/08/03 Fri
• IMHO, children are much purer than adults. They haven't been programed out of all their spiritual abilities and don't yet know that some things are supposed to be impossible. They often have memories of other times, but the memories fade in time. Is it all in our heads? I don't think so. The times I have had out of body experiences have been a bit scarey...and I agree with Jeannine's thoughts. I think it's a control issue for me. (NT) -- Betsy, 00:34:02 08/10/03 Sun

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• Martina, I am going to see if I can get some book rec's for you and get back to you. :) (NT) -- Linda, 10:06:28 08/07/03 Thu
  • Hi Martina, I'm going to put a couple of suggestions inside - -- Linda, 18:06:58 08/08/03 Fri
• Womans Bodies Womans Wisdom by Christiane Northrop (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:59:17 08/08/03 Fri
• Thanks friends, I will forward everything you said! I knew I could count on the people here! :) (NT) -- Martina, 06:45:57 08/09/03 Sat

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• Betsy, I am breathless with the realization that you have posted here. Gorgeous! You ARE the rainbow! Your message also says to me that we can all stop looking outside ourselves for treasure because it is within us already. What a terrific hiding place! Right under our noses. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. In the same vein, a friend of mine once had an experience of realizing that we--our souls, who we truly are-- are more beautiful than 10,000 sunsets in the eyes of God. Imagine the thrill we get from seeing a fantastic sunrise or sunset, multiply that times 10,000 and we can hardly even conceptualize how beautiful we really are. Which is why we must forget all this when we are born, otherwise we would be frozen in awe-filled adoration and wouldn't even be able to play the game of life. Enlightenment is simply a remembering of who we truly are and that every creation on earth shares in that glory. (NT) -- Lissa, 14:08:12 08/05/03 Tue
  • Gee, and all I was going to say is WOW!! That is truly amazing Betsy! Been thinking of you lately, how was camp? (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 17:29:51 08/05/03 Tue
• Soooooooooo very cool Betsy! I've had an experience where I kind of felt like what you're describing. Scared the hell outa me at first and it happened very quickly. Never really understood what it was or meant. I was on a mountain so after reading your description here, I figure it was me being part of the mountain like you said you were part of the rainbow. I felt part of the land, the little stream running through it and not human at all for several seconds. I feel that way when I am out west in my beloved mountains but it's never been as strong as that one time. How very lucky we are to be able to have these treasures that surface once in a great while like Lissa said. Lissa you put it into the words I could never understand or explain! (NT) -- Lori (wishing she were on a mountain in CO right now...), 19:38:13 08/05/03 Tue
  • Well, here's some more... I was just reading an author's description of his book..."Setting Your Heart on Fire" by Raphael Cushnir. He explains that Love is a dynamic and primal force, the Universe's urge for union. Love connects. Love, as we experience it, is sublime and we do everything in our power to find it. But we think love has a certain face to it. We won't allow ourselves to feel love unless it looks like what we desire. We cut off love with our fears and judgements. He says that "Our need for love in one of these preconceived forms blinds us to its constant presence. In fact Love is here, always, regardless of our circumstances and dependent upon absolutely nothing. It is waiting for you--not in the form you may expect, or believe you need, but instead without form at all. It's an aspect of the Divine, permeating all of creation, and it never says 'no'." What I see Betsy and Lori as experiencing are versions of getting a quick glimpse of the Love that permeates all creation. (NT) -- How cool is that?!... Lissa, 23:25:59 08/05/03 Tue
    • I'd like to also add that my now 10 year old baby used to come up to me when she was younger and tell me that she couldn't tell what was real. I would ask her what she meant by that, but her being so young, she really couldn't explain. IMHO I think she was able to see that this life, that we all think is so real, was what was NOT real. I have asked her if she still feels that sometimes, but she says that she stopped it because she didn't like it. It must have been very confusing for her, disorienting perhaps. I sure hope that she is able to reclaim that ability when she gets older and has a better grasp of things. She was the child who would just stand there looking at me when I would be in the midst of a mother melt-down-rant, just looking at me like I was an interesting bug or something. She wouldn't even flinch! Even as I would be ranting, part of my brain would then realize what an idiot I must look like. hahaha (NT) -- Lissa, 23:44:41 08/05/03 Tue
      • When I was a kid I struggled with reality as well. I used to have dreams, also day dreams, where I could fly or transport myself into buildings with the power of my mind. It feels weird to get sucked through walls, I can tell, haha. I actually felt getting pressed through the molecules, it was only a slight resistance, giving in like cutting soft butter with a knife. Such a cool feeling! When I was "awake" I was very disappointed that it didn´t work in the real world. I was very convinced it is normal and should be working! I also couldn´t believe that the reflection of a mirror was "me". I felt so much different than what I looked like, although I had no idea what my real appearance was. All that got lost when I was through puberty. Too bad, because it went along with the feeling of total safety. Back then I KNEW nothing can ever happen to me, and I feared almost nothing. Only the dentist.*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 04:05:01 08/06/03 Wed
        • I should add when I was a kid there was no such a thing as a science fiction movie, and I didn´t read that stuff either. So I don´t think it was overly active fantasizing, or "playing". It hit me out of the blue, and I did nothing to enforce those dreams. They just were. They were part of my personal reality. Later on, when I saw movies with people walking through walls I felt a deep loss, because I knew I once was able to do that too. How strange is that?*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 04:14:37 08/06/03 Wed
          • That's very interesting Martina, even that you remember all that from your childhood. (NT) -- Maria A., 11:35:45 08/06/03 Wed
            • I believe I remember all that because it felt so damn REAL, and NORMAL, and not at all like dreaming. It is like burned into my memory. (NT) -- Martina, 12:00:50 08/06/03 Wed
        • Martina, wow, that is fascinating!!! Gosh I am sure enjoying reading all of the responses to this post! Tell me, have any of you ever lay down in bed and feel as if - it's hard to explain - as if you are leaving your body and taking off flying? And you get this deep sense of freedom and joy? Sometimes it just happens and rarely I can will it to happen. But it doesn't happen often enough because I just love that feeling. It's the most free feeling I've ever felt. And then I can feel myself return to my body so to speak and I try to resist and stay up there, but you know I never see myself above my body or anything. I just get the feeilng that I'm free, flying and swirling around and so happy inside. (NT) -- swvaLinda, 15:04:38 08/06/03 Wed
          • Wow, Linda, you can do that??? It happened to me too, but each time, at the moment of leaving the body, I get so scared that I get sucked back in, heart pounding as hell! I don´t know why I resist that. And I don´t know what to do against the fear. You say it feels peaceful? It feels very exciting to me, way too exciting!*lol* (NT) -- Martina, 04:53:20 08/07/03 Thu
            • Hi Martina! You know I've always sort of 'woken up' already out there, floating and yes, blissfully happy! And it's when I return to my body that I try to resist. And sometimes it will work to will myself to go back to floating/flying again. lol So I never in the beginning made the conscious choice to do it, therefore I didn't have any fear. I woke up into it already happy so it was nothing but pleasant. And it wakes me up at night when it happens, when I return I will lay there awake for a few minutes. I've never known what that was, if other people experienced it and I'm still not sure. (NT) -- Linda, 10:14:12 08/07/03 Thu
• Betsy, I must say WOW too! I love it when that happens! The shift of the way we normally feel, I mean. Getting in contact with that "somewhat other than myself" must be such a GREAT experience! Maybe you can try and remember this feeling and recall it if every day life seems to be hard again? Like an anchor or so. (NT) -- Martina, 03:57:34 08/06/03 Wed
• Betsy what a beautiful and profound experience to have! And thanks so much for sharing it with us. I really enjoyed reading about it and all the replies as well. Way cool!!! :) :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 15:09:24 08/06/03 Wed
• Wow, being able to feel or experience the real love of creation. That is too awesome for words. I've wished that I could summon it at will. Mostly when I'm feeling down and need a real dose of Creations Love. Does that make sense? There are times when I feel so completely happy and have a total inner peace inside that doesn't even seem real. It only lasts for a few moments like this other feeling when I'm in the mountains. I have to wonder whether that's part of the same thing. Sometimes it's when I'm feeling totally free, driving down a highway on a perfect day. Other times it can be as simple as a tiny flower growing out of a crack in concrete. It always gets down to the feelings of "awe", "wonderment" & total peace. (NT) -- Lori, 18:08:32 08/06/03 Wed
• I will have to remember that the next time my DD is upset she cant find the rainbow...we looked too, must have been the same day Bets.A gift to you from above! Wishing I could send you all a moment like this!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 02:24:01 08/08/03 Fri

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• A very Happy Birthday to you Jeannine. Wishing you love, happiness, peace, joy and wealth!!! (NT) -- Maria A., 09:20:04 08/05/03 Tue
• Have a very happy birthday, Jeannine! (NT) -- Brenda, 12:01:57 08/05/03 Tue
• Happy Birthday, Lass!!! I have a beautiful thistle plant growing right outside my front door..looks like this one. I will now be reminded of you each time I go forth or come home again. *S* (NT) -- Betsy, 12:55:15 08/05/03 Tue
• HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JEANNINE!!! May your day be as lovely as that thistle. (I love thistles!) (NT) -- Lissa, 14:11:53 08/05/03 Tue
• Have a really great day, Jeannine! I hope you can take some time for yourself today. (NT) -- Ron, 17:48:09 08/05/03 Tue
• Happy Birthday my friend! Hope you are having a good one. JC tells me it's raining alot out there your way so I too hope you find some sunshine today, whether it's outside or just the radiance from one of Nic's smiles *wink*. Love ya! (NT) -- Lori, 19:28:22 08/05/03 Tue
• Oh Jeannine, I wasn´t here yesterday, so I am late!! Anyway, wishing you you a GREAT year!! HERZLICHEN GLÜCKWUNSCH, dear friend! (NT) -- Martina, 03:51:21 08/06/03 Wed
• Oh, just slap me! I forgot your birthday J. Happy Birthday just a wee bit late. We will raise a glass to you in Fergus this weekend. (NT) -- colly, 09:57:12 08/06/03 Wed
• THANK YOU EVERYONE!!! I did have a great day! DH and DD made it nice,and today, Thurs we had a few moments at the pool at the ILs house, and there was this thistle plant, huge and blooming there. I just stood and stared at it. I touched it gently, the thorns, the flowers and leaves. I felt so much love for that plant, it is as tall as me.I wanted to take it home or take a picture. So I had a wee moment there! Thank you for all your wonderful thoughts and PLEASE think of me up in Fergus!! You are all Blessings to me! I love each of you very much! I cherish this place and the conversation! (NT) -- Hugs all around Jeannine, 01:16:08 08/08/03 Fri

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