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Date Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2004, 17:55:25
Author: MKIceman
Subject: Re: And this is called backpedaling, folks.
In reply to: Tilly 's message, "Re: And this is called backpedaling, folks." on Thu, Apr 22 2004, 16:56:29

>>>>I agree to that point, and I was not implying that
>>>>it's bad to watch any of it or like any of it.
>>>
>>>Just the people on GAFF, right?
>>
>>I don't understand the question/comment. Could you
>>please clarify?
>
>You were talking about the people on GAFF being into
>Nghtmare on Elm Street fandom, that's how this
>started. Remember?

No, Former GAFFer brought that up, and I elaborated. I disagree with mocking a fandom or fans, despite my perceptions of the disturbing nature of some fandoms, but I do agree that it's hypocritical to be an active member of a fandom yet berate fellow fans of committing the same mistakes.

>>The point is affirming what the original author posted
>>about the hypocrisy of becoming a GAFF fan to mock the
>>same type of work that the fan themself writes.
>
>Can you cite an example? Because I don't remember
>reading any Freddy porn fics by any GAFFers. Which,
>IMO, would be silly, but not, as you imply, dangerous.

Unfortunately, I don't, and I apologize for not having one. I was commenting from a conceptual standpoint. I'm not certain if Former GAFFer was commenting conceptually or practically (i.e., if she had one or several specific people in mind). Because of that uncertainty, I left my comments in the conceptual realm.

>>Actually, Tilly, I didn't bring it up.
>
>But you did comment on it. *points up* And that's what
>I'm addressing: your comments.

I apologize for the confusion. I thought you meant that I was the one to raise the issue about fans of fandoms like "Nightmare on Elm Street." I did not raise the issue, but I did comment on the comments made.

>>A) The original author -- Former GAFFer -- was
>>referring to teens (or a single teen, uncertain) who
>>joined the GAFF board.
>
>I'm oonly talking about what *you* posted here.
>
>>>>Is it bad to write sexual fantasies about
>>>>the demonic killer? Probably.
>>>
>>>Is it bad, then, to write sexual fantasies about any
>>>of the anime or video game characters that even more
>>>people write about, as well?
>>
>>Sure. That's how I feel.
>
>You are absolutely entitled to feel that lemons,
>slash, hentai whatever you want to call it about
>characters is inherently wrong across the board. FTR,
>I disagree. Who's it hurting?

Indeed, which is why I have always disagreed with mocking the fans and the fandoms, no matter how much I might personally disagree with their beliefs. I think you might have my stance on the issue confused with Former GAFFer's, whose stances I was commenting on and selectively agreeing and disagreeing with.

>>Is this an excuse for not addressing the points?
>>Again, classic transference of the argument from the
>>issue to the participant.
>
>No, it means that I find it difficult to read your
>pedantic, condescending posts because of your tone. I
>only enjoy that tone on "Frasier" and that's for its
>humor.

I find it interesting that some -- primarily the participants or perceived recipients of the discussions -- find my tone pedantic and condescending, while others -- primarily those uninvolved in the discussions but who follow them closely -- do not.

>As for your post and the word "pompous," I refer you
>to Vanessa's reply, because I couldn't have said it
>better myself. It's what's known as an "in joke,"
>surely you've heard of that term before. It's at no
>one's expense but mine and I find it pretty
>hilarious--you seem to have paid attention enough to
>it for it to have stuck in your memory, perhaps you
>remember me also saying that, as for my real cleavage?
>None. :P

Thank you for the clarification. :) I found it difficult to perceive repetitions of the private joke, made in public fora, as a private joke and not a public display of arrogance over others' captivation with you, no matter how ill-founded that may be according to you, as you attest with your statement about lack of cleavage and "how you use it" mattering more than size (i.e., comment made on the InvisionFree board). Yet my perception did not compel me to call you pompous at any time, until you made that comment about me. I shall endeavor to distinguish such private jokes, made in public fora, from commentaries on ego, but I cannot guarantee much success.

--Matt

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