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NFR Zack Polanski -- Lib Hen (He / Him) [GMT] (😷💉🏳‍🌈✊🏿🌍), Saturday, December 06, 11:15:46pm (NoHost/62.197.151.21)
Did anyone else watch Question Time this week? Polanski made a comment about not wanting to spend his time wiping bums, and I thought it was boldly refreshing. At last someone finally said the quiet part out loud.

Not everyone wants to be wiping bums, scrubbing things, or doing the unglamorous jobs that eat up your time and energy. Some of us would rather focus on higher callings, like campaigning, organising, and fighting for social justice.

Personally I don't want to be washing my car or trekking out to collect my takeaway either. I've got better things to do - like fighting for social justice, challenging inequality, and posting the correct opinions online. That's why an open pipeline of people from abroad, happy to keep things running smoothly, is such a net positive.

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Burnley next week -- Ffc, Saturday, December 06, 05:22:43pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
I make that
Walker, Pires & Hannibal all banned for next week

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- Yes, what could possibly go wrong. They've lost their last 6 games, and our record there since the late 50's/60's is something like W0 D5 L34. 3 points in the bag. (NT) -- Wayne, Saturday, December 06, 05:30:02pm (host5-81-104-122.range5-81.btcentralplus.com/5.81.104.122)
  - Like tomorrow it depends on Marco's starting 11. It must include King and Chuk the others pick themselves. Go for it, as long as we score one more than them. (NT) -- CB Attack!, Saturday, December 06, 06:07:24pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- I'm sure like most fans I have already written this game off as a defeat, we always lose at Turf Moor, and I have been to what must be the most revolting town in England to often to think it will ever change....and I'm not usually a pessimist. (NT) -- GTS, Saturday, December 06, 06:10:27pm (NoHost/94.14.186.219)
  - Grimmer than Grimsby?. (NT) -- Billy The Fish, Saturday, December 06, 06:18:31pm (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
    - Yes, the only place I've ever been to in Europe as grim as Burnley was probably Katowice... (NT) -- GTS, Saturday, December 06, 07:33:31pm (NoHost/94.14.186.219)
      - Used to work with a bloke from Barrow.Asked him why he was so miserable.He said you obviously have never been to Barrow.True story.Yep Burnley is horrible as are many of the locals.Ot only have I seen Fulham lose many times but also Spurs twice with a mate. (NT) -- Fish Laddie, Saturday, December 06, 10:36:29pm (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
        
        At least Barrow has an historical reason with the ship yards . Burnley I agree is a miserable place. There is nothing that will make me return. Not even Fulham (NT) -- CB, Saturday, December 06, 10:50:40pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
Anyone looked at the hotel? -- Same Old Story, Saturday, December 06, 02:32:21pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
There's availability pretty much constantly through to end of Feb (haven't looked further). So it's not selling out months in advance. Only nights i can see that are not available at all are ones directly before home fixtures
Rates seem to range from £279-£420 depending on room type at the cheaper end (Mondays, Sundays, Thursdays), up to £412-£505 for nights before and after first team fixtures.
For comparison, it looks like its higher end of the mid tier of boutique hotels in West or Central london. Its not in the same category as the Berkelely, the Landmark, or the Corinthian (£600-£900).
Most of the other comparably priced type hotels are in better locations for public transport, but don't neccessarily have the kudos of being situated in a historic football ground on the riverside.

I'd actually say it looks reasonably priced in its category, but in terms of benefit to the club, (assuming the club take the revenue, rather than the Fulham Pier organisation), its really minimal. Completely full occupancy, on every night for the year would only generate £2.1m. A nice little top up - sure - but certainly not a gamechanger.

Side note - there's also no option for room occupancy more than 2 a room - even in a suite. Which means families with younger kids don't have any option other than to book 2 rooms and split parents which isn't ideal.

Summary : Pricing better than i expected from a benchmarking point of view, but doesn't seem to be full very often, and needs to be to even generate a minimal uplift in revenue. Doesn't even pay for 6 months of Bernd Leno.

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- With only 13 rooms I'd guess the hotel is peripheral to other revenue raising activities - club, conference rooms, restaurants, shops etc. It's the profitability of the totality of those that matters. I've always been sceptical but what do I know? (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Saturday, December 06, 02:47:49pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
  - With so few rooms you'd hope it would sell out. But I believe hotels don't budget based on full occupancy but rather on some occupancy rate below full. So hopefully its meeting those targets, whatever they are. (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 06, 03:02:34pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
    - Ours (a greene king ‘inn’) had a similar number of rooms and we budgeted at 75% occupancy, so yes you’re bang on. That was 20 years ago and costs are a lot higher in hospitality now though, so maybe occupancy lines are higher now. A fair point though (NT) -- Same Old Story, Saturday, December 06, 03:22:47pm (unn-149-40-62-58.datapacket.com/149.40.62.58)
- Pricing strategy is clearly flawed when we had big gaps in riverside fpr City and Palace tickets being given away for free to locals (NT) -- Waterboy, Saturday, December 06, 04:36:33pm (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- They will need to improve their customer service. Last season they were regularly overcharging in the bars. This season after the Man U game they charged £5 for a pint which was clearly advertised above each bar. Half hour later they increased the price to £7 without advertising the fact. Half hour later they increased the price again to £7.50 without saying anything. Poor business practice. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Saturday, December 06, 05:25:40pm (NoHost/31.94.36.27)
  - Variable pricing before and after the game is fairly standard practice. We're not the only Club doing this. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton, Saturday, December 06, 06:27:54pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
    - £5 a pint till 3:30pm tomorrow. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Saturday, December 06, 06:33:46pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
    - In the UK all bars must clearly display all prices at all times.Its the law. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Saturday, December 06, 06:52:35pm (NoHost/31.94.36.27)
Nothing like an old head in times of Crisis -- Chilly weather, Saturday, December 06, 10:13:02am (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)

So Silva throws on King -18 , kevin -22. Kusi-Asare -18

Gotta love it .And nearly paid off.

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Leno v Lecomte v Benda - Stats -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 06, 09:57:57am (unn-149-102-227-9.datapacket.com/149.102.227.9)
In a reply earlier in the week I posted some data that seems to track statistically what we can see in Leno's decline since he came to us. As we haven't seen anything much of Lecomte I thought some of you might be interested to see what that data looks like for him. Specifically I am referring to "Post-Shot Expected Goals minus Goals Allowed" (PSxG+-), which attempts to see the extent to which, because of luck or skill, a goalkeeper is saving more or letting in more goals that expected based on the quality of chances faced. It doesn't look good for any of our keepers.

To reiterate the Leno PSxG+- situation: in 2022/23 he was best in league saving 9.1 goals or 0.24 per 90 above expectation. 23/24 he dropped to about average, letting in 1.3 goals or 0.03/90 more than expected. 24/25 he was towards the bottom letting in 3.1 goals or 0.08/90 more than expected. This season he's already let in 3.6 goals or 0.26/90 more than expected.

For Lecomte the story is not that much different. In 2022/23 Lecomte saved 7.5 goals more than expected for an incredible 0.39 per 90 minutes. In 2023/24 he dropped to being about average saving 2.8 more than expected or 0.09/90. In 2024/25 he fell off a cliff, letting in 5.7 more goals than expected or 0.19/90 more goals conceded than expected, with Montpellier having the worst keeping record in the league.

And unfortunately, on other metrics their poor years last year are either very similar (e.g. Save percentage 66.8% Leno vs 64.2% Lecomte; Crosses Stopped Percentage 4.9% vs 4.9%) or favour Leno (e.g. pass completion percentage 80% vs 67.6%. Meanwhile it doesn't look like Benda is pulling up any trees down at Millwall: PSxG+- 0.18 more goals conceded than expected per 90; 57.1% save percentage; 4% crossed stopped; 56.4% pass completion. Not good.

What the data implies is that, we might be looking at equally aging keepers in the same moment in their respective careers and that our young keeper out on loan isn't doing anywhere near good enough to enter the conversation. Ultimately, we shouldn't expect a switch of keeper to have a big impact.

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- What is the peak age range for keepers? I thought the story goes that they age better than outfield players? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Saturday, December 06, 10:46:32am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
  - It seems that the general sense is that they overall peak between 28 and 32 years old, but with scope for some to peak later into their 30s. A couple links inside. I imagine each individual has a moment when the experience and leadership combine perfectly with reflexes and other physical characteristics after which those physical things start to drop off. So it wouldn't be outlandish to expect both of them to be on their down-slope already. -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 06, 11:29:16am (unn-149-102-227-9.datapacket.com/149.102.227.9)
    - Good to know he’s contacted to be with us beyond his 35th.birthday. Well played Tony. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Saturday, December 06, 12:25:25pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
      - I'm not sure we can blame the club for it. For a couple of years it seemed absolutely sound - i don't think anyone expected him to drop off so much, so soon. (NT) -- Same Old STory, Saturday, December 06, 01:58:31pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
        
        Exactly as I see it. For a minute there it looked like we landed an absolute utter steal. When you look at the prices spent on keepers in the modern game now that there is more data to quantify their impact, the club's decisions around Leno were all correct at the time. Sometimes these things don't work out. That's the nature of things. (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 06, 02:44:20pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
        
        For all the stats and doubts he's still not awful. Perhaps borderline Prem capable might be fair. In time we can hope for better but replacing him doesn't seem a priority to me given the financial restrictions we're bound by. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Saturday, December 06, 02:51:31pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
        
        That's very well put. Being statistically one of the worst in the league doesn't mean he's not Premier League quality. Just that he's, exactly as you put it, borderline. I'd like him to be replaced, but think ultimately we'll have to see it out with him. Ideal scenario is we have a cheap replacement lined up to gradually take over. (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 06, 02:59:36pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Re: Leno v Lecomte v Benda - Stats (NT) -- Academy not yet produced a premier keeper., Saturday, December 06, 03:47:45pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Team sunday -- Alboy, Friday, December 05, 08:56:37pm (NoHost/148.252.148.135)
Leno
Tete Anderson Bassey Sess/ Robinson
Bergh Smith-Rowe Iwobi
Wilson Jiminez Chuckweze
King to come on, with Kevin later in the game.
That's my guess thoughts?

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- Managing people requires a familiar policy as practiced within the group of people. MS approaches his general outlook with cautionary notes. At half time v City, there was a mind change and long may that continue. (NT) -- Eerwah, Friday, December 05, 11:24:04pm (NoHost/168.140.255.73)
- We need a player who can spin defence into attack. And that is King. (NT) -- ASPT, Saturday, December 06, 03:02:09am (NoHost/1.146.85.181)
  - Robinson was pretty good at that the last two years , but according to the football press Everton want to swap him for 19 year old Adam Aznou who they bought for 9m euros from Bayern Munich in the Summer but whom Moyes hasn’t dared play . So great work from Marco and the boys , swap a £50m pound player for a failed £7m signing . What’s not to like (NT) -- alanos, Saturday, December 06, 04:16:37am (82-132-234-129.dab.02.net/82.132.234.129)
    - Which didn't happen (NT) -- JoeT, Saturday, December 06, 10:08:49am (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
      - every one of his conspiracies is based on things that haven't actually happened but 'could'. When Robinson doesn't leave for Everton in January, there will just be another conspiracy we'll be bombarded with for months, until that one ends up demonstrably wrong. And on and on. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Saturday, December 06, 01:57:10pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
        
        that’s all conspiracy theories. Not just his (NT) -- ASPT, Sunday, December 07, 12:18:45am (NoHost/1.145.72.90)
Direct Free kick -- Wayne, Friday, December 05, 05:10:42pm (host5-81-104-122.range5-81.btcentralplus.com/5.81.104.122)
I heard something last week that I couldn't believe is true. Got sent a message from a friend saying that the last goal that we scored, in a competitive match, was Joe Bryan's free kick in the Play Off final v Brentford, That must be over 4
seasons ago. For the stats guys on here, would you know if that's true or not.

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- Kebano at the H. End subsequently v someone in the Prem? (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, December 05, 05:15:18pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
  - Never scored in the prem for us, so definitely not - his little flurry was running up to the playoff final. I cant think of a single one in the silva promotion season, which is astonishing given the sheer number of goals. Willian vs Leicester, which was actually a cross everyone missed, is probably the answer - cannot recall a single other one. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 05, 05:22:05pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- Willian scored directly from a free kick in the 5-3 against Leicester. (NT) -- MF, Friday, December 05, 05:15:48pm (NoHost/212.103.232.179)
- Harry Wilson was a free kick specialist & then he came to us (NT) -- TSW, Friday, December 05, 07:04:58pm (NoHost/31.94.18.5)
- Perreira wasted 3 seasons worth of them! (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, December 05, 07:50:48pm (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- Must mean we are due one v soon? Second thoughts this is Fulham! (NT) -- Martin Jolly, Friday, December 05, 08:38:45pm (NoHost/148.252.140.161)
- Not even a penalty kick this season, that seems very unlikely with the all the decisions going against us, JKA being the last one. (NT) -- MWKent, Saturday, December 06, 08:32:12am (host-80-46-1-168.as13285.net/80.46.1.168)
Last 20 years home to Palace -- Fkev, Friday, December 05, 03:42:31pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
P7 W0 D3 L4

Feeling confident?

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- And they are better away than at home this season.Having said that we’ve been pretty decent at home so guess the smart money is on a draw. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, December 05, 03:57:28pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
  - Guess it depends which team Silva puts out, the 1st half team vs Man City or the 2nd half team!! (NT) -- Fkev, Friday, December 05, 04:13:54pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
    - Marco will start with a cautious, and typically pragmatic, starting eleven. Sometimes the bench warmers offer more potential flair and excitement, but less consistency. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Friday, December 05, 04:39:01pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- We will win this one. (NT) -- GA, Friday, December 05, 04:44:56pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
  - Kiss of death. (NT) -- SCA, Friday, December 05, 05:43:37pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- Have you seen our away record v Burnley? (NT) -- Wayne, Friday, December 05, 05:04:57pm (host5-81-104-122.range5-81.btcentralplus.com/5.81.104.122)
  - Cant forget the 2-1 defeat where they had zero shots on target. (NT) -- Al, Friday, December 05, 05:22:58pm (cust-141.195.149.254.customers.as5482.net/141.195.149.254)
- Feels like a draw but would love the 3 points to take us to magic 20 early. (NT) -- CB, Friday, December 05, 05:07:18pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Only seen us beat them once at home in 47 years. Last time we did, mate and I was in Cape Town for the cricket. Did a tour where we was supposed to do Table mountain cable cars but was winded off. Mate and I trying desperately trying to find out how we were getting on. Tour took us instead to a pub in Bloubergstrand and it had our game on live. We couldn't believe it (NT) -- TSW, Friday, December 05, 05:16:06pm (NoHost/31.94.18.5)
- Seems the two clubs didn’t meet for 34 years between 1932 & 1966 . (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, December 05, 08:57:43pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Re: Last 20 years home to Palace 8th game. -- Swig, Saturday, December 06, 04:35:46am (NoHost/90.193.224.254)
Leno... can't have gone unnoticed with Silva? So, does he get 'rested' for Sunday or not? -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, December 05, 02:37:15pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
I'll start:

Yes – (a few games on the bench might give him a kick up the bum he needs)

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- Virtually all of them were absolutely woeful in the first half - can't rest all of them. Retain Leno all day long (NT) -- Fkev, Friday, December 05, 02:42:42pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
  - Nope he needs a kick up the arse.Rank av rage all season.Not too many howlers but never seems to save much at all. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, December 05, 03:11:04pm (NoHost/31.94.32.45)
    - People are confusing timing of these Leno posts with blame for the City game. That game hasn't got anything to do with it for me, he's been underperforming for 18 months. He's just winning us no points, which a top-drawer keeper will (look at the season Sels had last season, look at the season Roefs is having) . I'd be happy for Lecomte to come in, but as SOS said, we're not the kind of club that can really afford to have their top earner warming the bench if we really did want to replace him. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Friday, December 05, 03:21:18pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Give him the next two starts, while making it clear that Lecomte's selection for Newcastle will carry over to the rest of December unless... (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, December 05, 03:26:05pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
  - That's a good and sympathetic way to handle it... I like that idea, unless his confidence is shot then has to be benched for Palace. (NT) -- SCA, Friday, December 05, 03:33:17pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
    - Advantage also that (unless he had a howler v Newcastle) Lecomte's continuation could be portrayed as affirmation of him rather than just a rejection of Berndt. Man in possession of shirt keeps it. Less demeaning and demoralising. (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, December 05, 03:58:12pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
- Lecompte was never signed to be a serious threat to Leno’s dominance as first choice ‘keeper. Given that all our outfield players face realistic competition for their places, Leno has been given a free ride. Ex Arsenal “statement signing” and biggest wage earner, Leno’s place has been unchallenged and maybe that’s the problem. Pretty much guaranteed a start and not looking over his shoulder….maybe it’s time he didn’t assume he’s a nailed on starter? (NT) -- Bad Boy, Friday, December 05, 04:20:26pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
  - Re. your first statement, think that's open to doubt. While for sure the club would have wished Berndt to arrest and even reverse his decline, I doubt it coincidental that they acted to up the ante for his deputy, both in annual cost and cv -- the latter a far cry from Benda's, and much closer to that of Berndt himself. Easier and cheaper to swap Benda for similar, but they sourced distinctly upmarket from him. (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, December 05, 04:41:44pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
    - I’d be happy to see Lecomte get a start but just don’t see Leno getting axed any time soon. (NT) -- BB, Friday, December 05, 05:09:14pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- That is NOT going to happen. As I said below would liked to have seen Lecomte more but unless Leno is injured won't happen. Thankless job GK No 2 although wouldn't complain at his wages for just training. (NT) -- CB, Friday, December 05, 05:04:23pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
Not complaining (A thread that isn't.....) but has to be said -- See you Southend lads, Friday, December 05, 02:27:16pm (ns575172.ip-51-222-40.net/51.222.40.83)
Looking like A dozen games will be 'timed' FOR the American Market at todays WC draw

If so, will having to stay up after midnight UK time have any impact on your enjoyment of the World Cup??

Will any of the prime time Matches. Opening, Semis, Final be at the normal UK time of 8pm BST??

and of course Will Donald Trump follow through and move games from the Liberal cities? Can't wait for the likes of Denver and Cleveland to get games if so... White power!

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- 1936 Olympics all over again... (NT) -- Lib Hen (He / Him) [GMT] (😷💉🏳‍🌈✊🏿🌍), Friday, December 05, 03:05:14pm (NoHost/62.197.151.35)
- The last world cup bar the final was drab, final saved it in a way. This time you have extra amount of mediocre sides (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, December 05, 07:54:51pm (NoHost/148.252.140.67)
  - they clearly don't care about the Fans. The amount of travelling (costs $$$) will be astronomical. When all the time the Venues were there to make it as easy for fans and the Team as ever! Thats if they used the College/University Venues and Campus'. But somehow they didn't........ (NT) -- Qatar could squeeze WC into it, but USA couldn't?, Friday, December 05, 08:16:51pm (ns3060567.ip-162-19-121.eu/162.19.121.10)
This report on our attenances: -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, December 05, 01:39:52pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
www.insideworldfootball.com/2025/12/05/fulham-burnley-wolves-attendances-dip-premier-league-looks-christmas-cheer/

Fulham posted 93.14% in MW12 and slipped to 90.24% in MW14 – the most pronounced underperformance relative to league norms. Craven Cottage’s redevelopment may be a factor, but the gaps are sufficiently large to raise commercial concern.

I wonder why? Could it be the club's plan to exclude the 'long-term' fan in favour of 'tourist attraction' by pricing them out? Ali Mac take note before it becomes a trend..

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- Tickets for our Premier League fixture against Crystal Palace are now on General Sale! (NT) -- CB, Friday, December 05, 01:49:23pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
  - With tickets now limited, secure up to FOUR seats today to be there for all the drama of the Premier League! (NT) -- CB, Friday, December 05, 01:50:50pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- We sold 400 tickets for Burnley away, this will lower their average even more. (NT) -- Sean, Friday, December 05, 02:28:32pm (82-132-228-210.dab.02.net/82.132.228.210)
- Looked a poor crowd against city and ive heard theyve given freebies for palace to local residents to make us look better on tv! (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, December 05, 02:36:14pm (NoHost/148.252.140.67)
  - Doubt it.Everybody apart from the big boys are getting gaps.Ever heard of the cost of living crisis.Lots of seaon ticket holders around me never turned up for MC.Shit weather get home in the early hours.I should know. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, December 05, 03:37:51pm (NoHost/31.94.32.44)
- It's because they have the wrong capacity. That's the only reason. (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, December 05, 10:46:28pm (host86-171-5-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com/86.171.5.119)
- Re: This report on our attenances: -- Hammer Smith, Saturday, December 06, 11:20:56am (156.58.143.87.bcube.co.uk/143.58.156.87)
  - Attendances: t’s definitely got this wrong as it is assuming Craven Cottage’s capacity is @ 29500 when our new capacity is now actually just under 28000. So we must actually be doing pretty well in percentage terms (NT) -- Hammer Smith, Saturday, December 06, 11:26:04am (156.58.143.87.bcube.co.uk/143.58.156.87)
Did anyone else think the tackle on Chuka was a penalty!!! - Dave_ffc -- Dave_ffc, Friday, December 05, 11:57:02am (61-69-221-8.static.tpgi.com.au/61.69.221.8)
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- I thought it was on Kusi-Asare. (NT) -- Al, Friday, December 05, 12:11:32pm (cust-141.195.142.247.customers.as5482.net/141.195.142.247)
- I 100% agree it’s to easy to blame the keeper we have 10 players in front of him to do their job of defending, gk can’t do it all on their own (NT) -- Jt70, Saturday, December 06, 03:12:30am (NoHost/146.75.146.174)
Leno -- Alboy, Thursday, December 04, 10:15:26pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
When we concede five it's easy to blame the keeper. For me we defend as a team and we were poor in the first half. The only goal I was annoyed about was Foden's second felt he should have saved that. What we should be mentioning also is we were 5-1 down and we came back to 5-4 and actually were unlucky not too draw the game. I've been watching football for a long time and I don't remember many teams doing g what we did. My opinion get behind Leno and the team. Palace a big game let's make the atmosphere as good as the second half and win the game!

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- What a load of old bollocks! You really are unbelievable! What about his "pat" instead of punch for their 3rd? What about him going to ground for the 2nd? IMO Leno is complacent 'cos he's KNOW Silva will NEVER even consider dropping him. Needs a kick up the arse. If you genuinely believe the rubbish you write then you are more stupid than you make yourself out to be. GET A GRIP! (NT) -- You talk crap., Thursday, December 04, 10:26:46pm (unn-149-36-51-152.datapacket.com/149.36.51.152)
  - You are an idiot that ha never played the game at any level in your life . Defending belongs to the team yes he could have done better but defensively were terrible you are a mug. (NT) -- Alboy, Thursday, December 04, 10:42:48pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
    - This 'never played at any level in your life' is your absolute worst trait on this board. You hold some supposed academy appearances 60 years ago as though it makes you an ultimate authority on everything, and throw it around relentlessly. I don't care what level you've played at, if you don't think his punch out for their third was a goalkeeping error, your judgement is seriously up for question (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 05, 11:46:14am (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
      - It also mystifying how he never, ever says exactly who he played for in this remarkable career, almost like he realises that it would be easy enough to prove he never actually played at a decent level himself. Literally no mention of him on any footballing database anywhere (NT) -- Ex ‘almost made it as a footballer’ watch, Friday, December 05, 12:18:17pm (unn-149-40-62-58.datapacket.com/149.40.62.58)
        
        I think he was on Chelsea's books as a youngster or 'Rose-Tinted Utd'. I know for sure at least two other people on here that were similarly juniors at professional clubs and you don't see them throwing it around! He does it to adopt the higher ground. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, December 05, 12:42:49pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
        Re: played for Chelsea not tht it matters have programmes with .y name in there playing south east Counties. New Alan Hudson well and yes I was offered a Professional contract. I don't need to lie. I was annoyed with the guy who kept swearing and being abusive. Who cares anyway. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, December 05, 03:03:06pm (NoHost/148.252.156.176)
        
        Great, what year? There’s a historical programme database that goes back years would love to see?!! (NT) -- Almost made it as a footballer watch, Friday, December 05, 03:25:02pm (unn-149-40-62-58.datapacket.com/149.40.62.58)
        
        Re: Great, 1967 (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, December 05, 08:43:19pm (NoHost/148.252.156.106)
      - Re: eriously up for buses winds me up, the punch was t great but neither was the closing down. Great finish from Foden. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, December 05, 01:56:01pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
        
        Neither the finish or the closing down are relevant if the keeper doesnt make such a poor punch - it wasn't even that the punch was poor, it was clearly the wrong bloody decision anyway, it was there to be caught. Its a clear goalkeeping error, everyone agrees, and yet you're making it out as though there's some kind of massive pile on our poor 100k a week keeper who has one of the worst save ratios in the league this season. And we're not meant to argue because, as always, you know best. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 05, 02:16:23pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
        
        Re: e ratios It is relevant if Foden doesn't score the punch is forgotten. It actually doesn't matter I have never said I am always right. It wasn't a great punch ,yes he should have caught it. But my point was simply all the team have to take responsibility, if you don't agree fair enough. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, December 05, 02:55:20pm (NoHost/148.252.156.176)
        
        You're missing the point, again. Foden's finish can't happen if Leno doesn't fck up the punch. That his error would have been forgotten if Foden had missed is irrelevant, it was STILL an error. And yes, collective team performances totally responsible, but again, that doesn't mean individual mistakes didn't contribute. That moment was one of those individual mistakes. Every one of their goals had them. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 05, 03:30:36pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
  - Marco wants to spaff a large amount of money . That seems to be his priority . Why the 40m on Kevin ? He seems to want to replace one set of defensive midfielders with another more expensive one ,despite Iwobi proving great moved to the centre. Why would his January choice of players be better than his last summer choice .Does summertime give him the blues . Is Marco the abominable snowman of the transfermarket ? Did he unconsciously communicate to Leno that a win agoayhí (NT) -- alanos, Friday, December 05, 09:42:57am (82-132-232-42.dab.02.net/82.132.232.42)
- Also you have NEVER responded to you ridiculous 2 week tirade defending Marco after Everton, when you absolved him of any blame, when it was clear that his selection/tactics were SOLELY to blame. Your a muppet. (NT) -- Get Real., Thursday, December 04, 10:32:52pm (static-198-44-157-85.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.85)
  - You really are a twat, I said in the first half against Man City he picked the wrong team. Against Everton we were rubbish blame who you want. You are a mug and will always be. (NT) -- Alboy, Thursday, December 04, 10:46:23pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
- We can differ as to how many a goalie could realistically have averted v. City (I'd put it at one more than you, plus a chance with #2 if staying up longer). That doesn't alter the wide agreement there has been among posters that a) Leno was exposed by some poor defence in front of him; b) the whole team's fight back was rare and terrific. Both a) and b) would badly need "mentioning" if no-one else had. (NT) -- b+w g., Thursday, December 04, 11:16:50pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
  - That was my point agree 👍 (NT) -- Alboy, Thursday, December 04, 11:21:42pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
    - Well no actually its not the point you are making, but nuance has never been your strong point. Black and White through and through... (NT) -- FF, Friday, December 05, 11:04:04am (82-132-222-9.dab.02.net/82.132.222.9)
      - that actually made me laugh out loud (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 05, 11:58:17am (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
      - Re: I made the point that we defend as a team all are culpable. Not saying g Leno is absolved. Also the fight back was key and that we should get behind the team! (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, December 05, 09:12:27pm (NoHost/148.252.148.135)
- Leno made some costly errors but he's always been a flapper. We really miss a strong defensive midfielder like Palhinha as our center mid options are not really at the standard required to make us a genuine threat for the European positions. The next shopping list should include 2 new CM and a striker, preferably a starter. Berge & Lukic wouldn't be any loss if we can find buyers. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, December 04, 11:36:22pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
  - pping list any Think we need more creativity in midfield would say 1 midfielder, 1 striker and another right back. Time for Castagne to go. (NT) -- Alboy, Thursday, December 04, 11:41:03pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
  - We're allowing way less shots to the opposition than when palhinha played. (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, December 05, 01:05:31am (host86-171-5-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com/86.171.5.119)
    - 👍good point Jim. Don't want him back. (NT) -- WayneKerrins, Friday, December 05, 04:26:15am (NoHost/31.94.36.26)
  - the Eganonoa’s other half is back and wants £120m spend ( at the least) So how would you do that without selling Robinson , and our star 18 year old King and Muniz and Wilson and then probably forgoing on on Chuckueza for his buy out clause. It’s as if Samuel had not noticed Iwobi played in midfield obviates any need there .Remember the kind of value Marco found in Summer (Kevin 40million euros. ) (NT) -- alanos, Friday, December 05, 07:53:22am (82-132-232-42.dab.02.net/82.132.232.42)
- Trouble is, nobody mentions him when he makes 2 - 3 excellent blocks or stops that keep us in the game or winning it, as a lot on this board say 'that's what his job is', 'that's what he's there for' - if that's the case we should apply this to every outfield player too. (NT) -- Long Termer, Friday, December 05, 07:35:22am (host86-178-227-34.range86-178.btcentralplus.com/86.178.227.34)
  - But if a CB makes a decisive tackle to prevent a goal people don't tend to say if it wasn't for CB we would have lost the game in the same way they do for a keeper being quite busy making regulation saves. If anything _ i think GK's often get too much credit for their contributions (NT) -- f bloke, Friday, December 05, 12:34:00pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
- it's been said for an eternity, if a forward misses a chance, so what, if a midfield player gets caught in possession, who cares, if a defender fluffs a clearance, a lack of concentration or similar. The goalkeeper is the last line and any major miskake usually costs a goal! As Barry Lloyd once said of Malcolm Webster, 'there are ten in front of him to prevent goals, it's all our fault when we concede from someone's mistake' (NT) -- Long Termer, Friday, December 05, 07:40:07am (host86-178-227-34.range86-178.btcentralplus.com/86.178.227.34)
- First season you wondered why Arsenal ditched him.Now you can see why.Has been poor for some time.You don’t have to have played at any high level to see that.Doubt you were the reincarnation of Edwards,Charles,Haynes and Yachin mate.With all due respect. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, December 05, 08:21:12am (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
  - Where I'm at. Not just about the latest, but long-term. And with due regard to the truths stated in this thread about collective responsibility and the special situation of goalies. We can surely all agree that he's due a good game or two and that will hopefully transpire and be the best answer. (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, December 05, 09:50:08am (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
    - Me too! (NT) -- The Drobe, Friday, December 05, 10:11:38am (host109-147-10-80.range109-147.btcentralplus.com/109.147.10.80)
    - And when he does (have a good game), no doubt he will rightly receive his plaudits. For a message board, with the odd exception obviously, I think we're pretty fair and knowledgeable. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, December 05, 10:12:30am (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- I like Leno but it’s hard to defend his form this season. Against City: 4 shots on target faced; 5 goals conceded; doesn’t make for great reading. Thought he did terribly for both of Foden’s goals. (NT) -- Neil G, Friday, December 05, 11:03:31am (NoHost/62.64.164.110)
- As expressed on here previously I am less interested in the saves a keeper make since most pro keepers can make good saves – even Malcom Webster and Jim Stannard. Putting to one side distribution/communication skills, for me the very best keepers are those that make both the fewest obvious mistakes (easy to spot) and the fewest ‘could have done betters’ which are more difficult to spot. (NT) -- f bloke, Friday, December 05, 12:46:54pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
  - Whilst there have not been too many obvious mistakes, it is becoming clear to many of us is that there have been way too many ‘could have done better’ situations this season. Difficult to know if this is a blip or a trend but it is clearly something to keep an eye on in terms of squad building for next season (NT) -- f bloke, Friday, December 05, 12:48:03pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
    - I think it's a trend, he went downhill two seasons ago, let in every shot from outside the area last season and hasn't been great this season. It's a shame as he's a decent keeper, but we can't just stand by and watch him be below average, if we have any aspirations (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Friday, December 05, 03:24:53pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Re: Leno -- ken(ffc), Friday, December 05, 02:24:28pm (host86-167-40-12.range86-167.btcentralplus.com/86.167.40.12)

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