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Date Posted: Sat, Jun 30, 07:54:39am CST
Author: Perry
Author Host/IP: cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com / 205.188.117.13
Subject: Re: Hall of Fame Question
In reply to: Perry 's message, "Re: Hall of Fame Question" on Sat, Jun 30, 06:39:36am CST

>>>>>>>Howdy everyone! I was going over the yearbook for
>>>>the
>>>>>>>umptenth time and was wondering a couple of
>>>things.
>>>>>>>Hopefully this is not an out of line question,
>I'm
>>>>>not
>>>>>>>trying to start trouble, I'm just ignorant of the
>>>>>>>answers. I noticed a dog owned by Mr. Keeter,
>>>>>>>"Cassie" had won the World Hunt three times but
>>was
>>>>>>>not in the Hall of Fame. I was wondering why and
>>>>>what
>>>>>>>is the criteria to get a dog in the Hall of
>Fame?
>>>>>>>Since I don't know all the dogs in the Hall of
>>Fame
>>>>>>>are there dogs that are only Big Game Leopards
>>from
>>>>>>>out west in the Hall of Fame? Just curious.
>Also
>>>>is
>>>>>>>the World Hunt at the same place and time each
>>>>year.
>>>>>>>I'd love to attend someday. Thanks for any
>>>thoughts
>>>>>>>or information. Fred
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Opps, computer glich, sorry for the multiple
>>posts!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Fred, In answer to your questions, Cassie is in the
>>>>>Hall of Fame. All dogs that win the world hunt or
>>the
>>>>>little world hunt are automatically in the Hall of
>>>>>Fame. Besides these hunt champions, dogs are
>elected
>>>>>into the hall of fame for various reasons. The only
>>>>>set criteria is that a dog must be deceased before
>>it
>>>>>can be elected into the hall of fame. Some dogs are
>>>>>elected because of their hunting abilities,
>>>>>reproducing abilities or various other reasons. For
>>a
>>>>>dog to be nominated for the hall of fame, someone
>>>from
>>>>>that State section must nominate the dog at a world
>>>>>hunt meeting and be voted on. Maybe there should be
>>>>>more criteria for dogs to be elected, but I don't
>>>>>think there is anything written in the past world
>>>hunt
>>>>>meeting minutes that sets the criteria other than
>>the
>>>>>world hunt and little world hunt winners, upon
>their
>>>>>death are automatically elected. Sometimes in the
>>>>>yearbook, some of the hall of fame dogs are left
>>out,
>>>>>this is just an oversight by whomever is getting
>the
>>>>>yearbook ready for print. I don't know of any big
>>>game
>>>>>dogs that have been nominated.
>>>>>The world hunt in not in the same place every year,
>>>>>but most of the time it is on the same weekend each
>>>>>year. It is decided at the world hunt meeting each
>>>>>year where the next hunt will be held. Any state
>>that
>>>>>wants to offer to host the world hunt should make
>>>that
>>>>>offer at the meeting and it will be voted upon by
>>the
>>>>>members present. Hope this answers your questions
>>>>>satisfactorily. Dan N
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Dan, sure does, I really appreciate the
>>>>response. I was hoping it didn't appear I was
>trying
>>>>to stir up any hard feelings. Looks like there are
>>>>none to stir up. :o) Looks like some of these big
>>>>game hunters should start nominating some of these
>>>>outstanding dogs. Where is next year's hunt going
>to
>>>>be? Thanks again! Fred
>>>
>>>Fred, Next year's hunt will not be set up until the
>>>2007 world hunt meeting. This year's hunt will be in
>>>Tilden, Illinois. Watch for the ad in next month's
>>>Full Cry. Dan N
>>
>>There is something I would like to share regarding the
>>hall of fame. Just a personal experience that made me
>>wish that there were a few more requirments for
>>getting into the hall of fame. Befor I ever owned a
>>good Leopard, (and I have owned more than one good
>>one), I was given access to many years of old year
>>books. I poored over these year books with great
>>interest and looked at the lists of hall of fame dogs
>>with great reverence. Then I attended a world hunt.
>>In the hunt, I could see that a decent dog having a
>>decent night could win the hunt if he got into some
>>coon.
>> I attended the meeting at the world hunt, and
>>at that meeting a dog was nominated for the hall of
>>fame. The room was completely quiet. There was no
>>discussion. As I remember it with my imperfect
>>memory, it was simply put to a vote. All those in
>>favor say Aye. OK now all those apposed....(complete
>>quiet). Well the Ayes have it. I saw people look at
>>each other like something had just happened but I
>>could not interpret what it was. I felt a little bit
>>ripped off myself because I had no Idea what made the
>>dog a great dog. No one said anything about his
>>accomplishments as a hunter or as a stud dog.
>>Nothing. I was a member at the time, but could not
>>offer a vote because I knew absolutely nothing about
>>the dog. And it all happened so fast, like a speeding
>>train down the railroad.
>>
>>Honestly, I was in disbeleif, because I had looked at
>>that list of great dogs with so much reverence, and
>>just assumed that they had to go through a lot of
>>scrutiny, discusion, and consideration.
>>
>>
>>I will also share that if I had thought the dog was
>>unworthy, I would have felt very intimidated to have
>>voted out loud against the dog in a room full of
>>people, with the one who nominated the dog in full
>>veiw. I already know how people feel about these dogs
>>some times, and I also already know that some people
>>may feel a dog is a good dog, and the dog would not
>>meet my criteria for a good dog. I knew nothing about
>>the dog, so that was not an issue. But if I had known
>>about the dog and felt it was not deserving of the
>>hall of fame, I would have had a hard time voting "no"
>>in front of everyone. It would feel to me the same as
>>openly picking a fight.
>>
>>When I found out the dog had been nominated by it's
>>owner or something like that, I felt even further
>>disapointed and further disillusioned by the list of
>>hall of fame dogs. So now I am looking at this list
>>of hall of fame dogs wondering how many of them had
>>been nominated by their owner, and put to an open vote
>>in front of the owner, where no one would feel very
>>comfortable about voting no.
>>
>>I dont even know the name of the dog, and it doesnt
>>really matter to me any more. But I would like to
>>suggest that if you want to build more respect for the
>>breed as a whole, that there be more of a criterion
>>for the hall of fame. If the criteria includes a
>>vote, the voters be informed of the dog's abilities
>>and accomplishments as a hunter and reproducer, and
>>that the vote be by secret ballot. I will give my own
>>personal opinion that winning one of these hunts ONE
>>time would not constitute a hall of fame dog. Winning
>>three times, now that would mean something to me.
>>
>>We all know that some years one or both of the hunts
>>mentioned, for whatever reason, are not well attended.
>> If coon are not moving, only one or two dogs might
>>even get to come in with plus points. I have been to
>>enough competition hunts to finish out a couple UKC
>>night champions, and I know as well as you do that a
>>very average dog can easily be the only one to come in
>>with plus points on certain nights and in certain
>>situations, and often, it is not the best dog in the
>>hunt.
>>
>>I am not a member, dont own a dog, and dont deserve to
>>be heard. But here is an outsider's opinion on
>>another issue regarding these dogs that I feel are
>>worthy of some respect. I feel that if you want them
>>to be taken seriously, the systems of recognition need
>>to be something that can be taken seriously when
>>someone looks into them. "Hall of Fame" should mean
>>something, even if you only get one dog every five
>>years or so that shows himself so obviously
>>outstanding that his inclusion will be obvious. Maybe
>>the dog that was "inducted" at the hunt I attended was
>>just such a dog. I hope so. But there is nothing
>>about the process that would make me think so.
>David, Sorry to all the other readers out there but I
>have to say this, Is their ANYTHING about the ALCBA
>INC that you do like?? If I felt as negative about an
>association as you seem to about the ALCBA Inc or any
>other organization I believe I would distance myself
>from it as far as possible. I just had to get this off
>my chest!! Some folks are just prone to looking at the
>glass 1/2 empty. Perry Lambert,
In case you could not tell I was a little worked up over David's post. He has every right to his opinion!!But as facts go I am not aware of any of the World Hunts that I have attended a person nominating their own dog?? Ronnie Rushing put it quite well in the 1999
year book on page 2. "Hopefully it is understood by all that an outstanding dog to one person may be average to someone else. This is a touchy issue, with no clear cut guidelines."I have heard a great deal of grumbling lately from a few fellas about how things should be done. I have heard very little in the way of just exactly in detail how to get these things done. I have read over the by laws and can find no promise from the ALCBA Inc. to please everyone! As far as the World hunt winner having a decent nite and winning. It takes a little more than that. First they must make the first nites run off and make the top 16. Second nite consists of 4 cast in a 1 hour hunt. Now in a 1 hr hunt a dog and handler needs to operate pretty exact to have an opportunity to win their cast. In only 1 hour it is difficult to make up for mistakes. Next is the final 4. At this point a dog has done well enough to make the final 16, won their cast on the second go round and now needs to win another cast to be hunt winner. In my opinion it takes more than just a decent nite!! I don't care where you hunt and what registration it is in. All you have any power to control is against the dogs in your cast.
As for David's implication that the vote was rushed through concerning the HOF dog?? Well I have chaired the last several meetings. I feel sufficient time is given to any topic that makes it to the floor for discussion. I try not to waste time in these meetings. I make an agenda to help us get the necessary things performed and make sure anyone with an additional topic has the opportunity to present it. Folks I try to refer to my glass as 1/2 full. Thank you and I hope to see all of you at the world hunt, Perry Lambert

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