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Subject: Re: Tacky Stuff

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Jen again

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Date Posted: 10:39:48 07/04/01 Wed
In reply to: Payne's Girl 's message, "Tacky Stuff" on 10:25:02 07/04/01 Wed

RE:
>Basil Rathbone, so memorable as Sherlock Holmes and
>Sir Guy of Gisborne in The Adventures of Robin Hood
>(Errol Flynn). His final film was "Hillbillies in a
>Haunted House."
Well, I've only seen the first two, thankfully.
But here's one last gasp for my old site title:
No Matter How Fancy You Garnish Your American Cheese And Egg McMuffin, It's Still Just Chee-zee!
And speaking of being typecast and wasted, the one eye-opening thing about the Sam West sites for me is, I've realized the David Warner Syndrome can happen even to the conventionally pretty. West has played tons of quirky small parts and second male leads, he's not even mentioned on video boxes of some films he's been in, and the biggest mass media role he's gotten to date has been The Ripper! Whatta rip is right! Of course now he's playing Hamlet, maybe things will change.
(Happy 4th to the Yanks, belated Canada Day to Cinephilia, etc. etc.)

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Author:
Cin�philia
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Date Posted: 12:19:59 07/04/01 Wed

>No Matter How Fancy You Garnish Your American Cheese
>And Egg McMuffin, It's Still Just Chee-zee!

I couldn't agree more. As a matter of fact, three of "my actors" (DW, John Hurt and Henri Guybet) have been in so much cheesy stuff... I call them the "Camembert Trio" (with affection of course). I'm really impressed when they shine in a rotten flick. It must be much harder to act well in something that you know is way past salvation right from the very first day of shooting. They are Les Grands Ma�tres du Fromage.

And, let's face it: isn't it much better for DW to do an obscure voiceover for McDonald's that absolutely no one will remember in six months than star in a career-breaking vehicle like Naked Souls? A NS video will always be available somewhere in the world...

>And speaking of being typecast and wasted, the one
>eye-opening thing about the Sam West sites for me is,
>I've realized the David Warner Syndrome can happen
>even to the conventionally pretty.

Yes, it can. Especially if the prettiness is too conventional. When you look like a hundred other actors, it must be next to impossible to get yourself noticed. I'm sure that Sam is a much better actor than his American look-alike, Ryan Philippe, but Philippe is the one who is a star.

>West has played
>tons of quirky small parts and second male leads, he's
>not even mentioned on video boxes of some films he's
>been in, and the biggest mass media role he's gotten
>to date has been The Ripper!

The thing is... When an actor plays a lot of quirky small parts, directors have trouble to imagine him as a sensitive, intelligent, normal human being (a regular lead role) and they just give him more quirky small parts. That's what happened to Guybet. Sure, he got to play several second male leads and three starring roles during his movie career, but he didn't have the career that a man with his talent would have deserved. Compared to him, and to Sam West until now, our DW has been pretty lucky.

>Whatta rip is right! Of
>course now he's playing Hamlet, maybe things will
>change.

Maybe! I really wish him the best. Besides, the HFP sure deserves to see her god in at least one good starring role in one good movie...

>(Happy 4th to the Yanks, belated Canada Day to
>Cinephilia, etc. etc.)

Thanks Jen! The same to you!

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Author:
Jen
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Date Posted: 09:11:12 07/05/01 Thu

>I couldn't agree more. As a matter of fact, three of
>"my actors" (DW, John Hurt and Henri Guybet) have been
>in so much cheesy stuff...
LOL!
Maybe someone should bring a plate for his birthday, are there any Hickory Farms shops left in malls anymore, or do they just set up those holiday stalls now?
>I'm sure that Sam is a much better actor than
>his American look-alike, Ryan Philippe, but Philippe
>is the one who is a star.
And Philippe is the Cary Ewles of the new millennium, or something, right? I really can't tell these blond kids apart.
>Compared to him, and to Sam West until now,
>our DW has been pretty lucky.
That's the feeling I get.
>Besides, the HFP
>sure deserves to see her god in at least one good
>starring role in one good movie...
Yes, especially since The Ripper is universally despised in that group, and deservedly so. Time After Time is bloody and depressing, but this is the sort of hypocritical trash that's "safe" enough for an airplane screening because it doesn't "show" anything. The word "appalled" comes to mind so easily, as in, "What am I THINKING? Am I seriously getting a jones for Jack the Ripper?" The answer is of course not.