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Subject: Re: Sam Miller transferring Author: The Mountain Lion [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:29:31 07/07/25 Mon In reply to: ivy guy 's message, "Sam Miller transferring" on 12:36:12 07/05/25 Sat It is silly to criticize Sam Miller for taking the same path as numerous other outstanding Ivy League basketball and baseball players have taken during the last several years. The monetary incentives jointly approved by the courts, legislators and the NCAA are just too overwhelming to be ignored. Furthermore, it is unquestioned that the value of an Ivy League diploma has certainly diminished due to the foolish actions of certain of the students, faculty and administrators at all of the Ivy League schools, so taking a long-term view of the diploma's value is no longer helpful. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: American Amateur Sports Is About to Take A Serious Turn Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:19:22 07/07/25 Mon I posted to this effect after Xaivian Lee transferred to Florida for $6 million. No other college, neither Florida nor Harvard nor Penn, offered me $6 million to transfer to their school. So I'm not going to throw stones when I did not have the luxury of a glass house to live in. Did everybody follow that metaphor? But let's be clear. This -- the NILs and the transfer portal -- is bad for the eight Ivy universities. It's bad for amateur athletics. It's bad for the television and spectator product associated therewith. It's bad for American secondary education. It's bad for the lower socioeconomic class in this country. And for all these reasons, it's bad for America. The last little burst of Ivy success nationally, say, from 2018 through Memorial Day 2025, could be our alltime high water mark. I'm usually an optimist. Whenever my friends and colleagues complain about some contemporary problem, I tell them to take the longer view. From any kind of broader perspective, life in the US and around the world is so much better today, people in the 1950s and 1960s couldn't even imagine how much progress was possible. In the span of less than one lifetime, the quality of life on this planet has leapt forward. So I don't think I'm a glass half empty kind of guy. But amateur sports is about to take a serious turn for the worse. I'm glad that I got to enjoy as much of my life under the old regime as I did. Look back in ten or twenty years. I predict that the bottom 10-15% of the people in this country will make little or no progress economically, while the top third continue to thrive and flourish. One important reason will be American amateur sports. This is a social tragedy unfolding. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: We will see... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:36:33 07/08/25 Tue I was at Yale's Elite Girls' Basketball camp last month. Yale could easily have fielded a highly competitive team consisting of the high school girls that attended camp that day. And I can only assume that--if academics aren't an issue--that many of the girls that I saw that day will suit up for other Ivies. Or was your point limited to men's sports? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: We will see... Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:26:27 07/08/25 Tue First and most importantly, congratulations again on your daughter being invited to the Yale recruiting/development camp. That's a big achievement in and of itself, regardless of where her athletic career goes from here. What a wonderful feather in her cap. My point is principally -- though not exclusively -- aimed at football and men's basketball. That's where the money will really start to affect high school sports and, as a result, high school education. Having said that, we've already seen a few transfers driven by NIL money in women's basketball and volleyball. So the phenomenon will not be limited to the highest profile sports. Anywhere a booster wants to win and is willing to pay to make it happen, the effect will be felt. Perhaps a bidding war will break out for your daughter. For your sake, I hope it happens. Is it good for American secondary education? No, it's terrible. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Thanks so much! Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:26:41 07/09/25 Wed As I said earlier, she did fine compared to her fellow rising freshmen. But she will need a lot of improvement to get to the level of some of the girls who were at the camp. I really don't know how girls' basketball recruiting works. Maybe some of the girls I saw that day will end up on Big East rosters. And even if my daughter does get offered a spot on an Ivy team, it would have to be a HELL of a lot of money for her to transfer elsewhere. I just don't see that happening in any universe... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]