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Subject: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Stephen
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Date Posted: Tue, Mar 29 2005, 8:55:14

Like to hear from you guys that brought timeshare from IRN/ATC. We can help & support each other out.

- When did you brought it?
- Tell us your experience with them?
- When & how you find out that you are being Con?
- Are you doing anything to get your money back? And how?
- What is your immediate plan?

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[> Subject: IRN/ATC members


Author:
George
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Date Posted: Tue, Apr 05 2005, 12:58:21

Please send me a private email. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Trey
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Date Posted: Tue, Jul 12 2005, 21:19:48

Hi, i bought the membership on december 2002, and i've never stopped regretting. The experience was roughly about the same as everyone experienced. Hard-sell tactics, extremely long talks, lure of vacation trip and other prizes over the phone just to make you come in for the talks. They caught me at the right time i have to say. December, and i just got my bonus. Probably one of their tactics as well. I was served by this pleasant lady if i remembered correctly her name was flora. We engaged in hours of long bargaining which i eventually relented into buying a $10k membership. I paid $4k for my initial deposit and the rest by monthly instalments. Although i did regret about my decision, i have never suspected a thing till a year later 2003, when i read from newspaper about those time-share companies, and then a program on tv which talked about the issue of consumers being conned into buying these membership through hard-sell tactics. Even though i realised the notion of me being conned, i still had a little optimism in me that it wouldnt be that bad as i have NEVER BOOKED a holiday as yet!!! I have already paid up the full $10k. Not really keen on trying booking holidays through them after all the things i've heard from everyone who got a piece to say about time-share holidays. They called me up last march or april i forgot, asking me if want to "upgrade" my membership as they're "phasing-out" my policy. I actually went down to hear what they had to say, and hoping that i can sell them back that membership. I eventually got into a heated arguement with that guy and we threatened to sue each other. He told me i was bounded by contract i signed, to pay up the maintenance fee every alternate years.(mine is an alternate year plan) In any case i really dont know what to do with that stupid membership and i really dont want to pay a single cent more... Please can anyone advise me on what to do?

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
OGY
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Date Posted: Wed, Jul 20 2005, 18:03:22

Dear Trey,

Be cool and steady with thing that have happenned.

A few suggestions for your consideration, since you have already paid up all the member fee of 10K;

1. If you have not used the resort, try book it and see what they offer you since you are entitle for it.

- find out whether did they offer what you are paying for the club membership, togehter with all the free and easy holiday. it is important to keep a record

2. keep all your document that you have signed with them and read it through again to get a better understanding of IRN and ATC relationship in this deal that you are in. In the other word find out who are you facing now,, IRN or ATC.

3. Read you contract and understand and clear mind of what you are in now, it is important to keep all you transation script that you are deal with this matter for later use.

4. Talk to your consumer dept(or CASE?) for legal advise about you case and consumer rights. They must be able to assist you on the right path, they are the expert on this area and are pay to work to serve the community.

Keep in mind that only sincere service minded businessman with Truth heart can withstand time justification.

Trust your country authority which is highly professionism and fully stand on justice and consumer side.

Keep thinking Possitive and I fully believed that "There is always a way out" for this case.

God Bless and keep you peace in heart.

ATC member since 2003
OGY

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
frustrated brain
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Date Posted: Fri, May 19 2006, 18:53:00

This msg is for trey...so have u upgraded ur timeshare? I did....and am full of REGRETS! The next thing to do is to put a STOP to all things. STOP here. No more TIMESHARE! Also, dun think of SELLING...it will incur more $$$ lost! The only thing is, reduce ur lost & sit on this SUPER expensive lesson...

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Fandi
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Date Posted: Mon, Jul 03 2006, 19:37:59

Hi, Trey I think we're in the same boat. I've PAID $9k for mine. Now dunno how to get the money back!! The thing is, I owe half to the bank and still servicing the installment since January 06 for another @18 mths. WTF!! If you have any loopholes or any ways to get refund do e-mail me. Thanx a lot, bro...
PS: Maybe you can e-mail me to exchange contact nos. (if you don't mind). It'll be easier for us to discuss. Thanx again.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Wong Chiew Ee
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Date Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2005, 14:20:50

Hi, I have the same questions with Trey. Yesterday I also went to IRN try to cancel my membership but he also rejected. I told him that I faced some financial problems and going to jobless and this service is not suited me. The manager also replied that I can not cancel my membership as that time I have signed the contract. I've paid $1300 and monthly I've to pay $300. I only can start to use the package when I finished paid 50% of 12000. I wish to stop the monthly payment of $300 but he said I can not else they can send remind letter to me and can hire lawyer to sue me. I never get anything from them but I've paid $1.3, I just want to cancel and I don't mind loss certain amount of money. Just want to ask : any way I can cancel the membership? Thanks. Can send to my personal email?

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
sim
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Date Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2005, 2:26:46

I think if you do not pay your maintenance fee, all that would or should happen is that the membership would be repossess by the resort operator(not the marketing company). I think the resort company would not object if you wish to terminate your membership with them.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
LING TAI BOON
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Date Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2005, 12:25:02

Dear fellow sufferers, my father was "persuaded" into buying this timeshare by IRN and have paid about half the total sum of sin$21000, by the time i have found out about this.
By the time that we have called and visited IRN to cancel the subscription and instalments, we were threatened with lawyer letters, lawsuit and such.
I like to find out the relevant actions and whether we are able to collect our paid amount of money back.
Am surprised with the moderated protection from government that this type of case still happen in singapore.
Do CASE and the Companies act actually do enough to legislate and protect the consumers in Singapore from such unfair practice?
Is the relevant authorities aware of such issues and not doing anything about it?
Why is such companies allowed to register in SIngapore ?
Do we have to approach our voted constituency members to assist in this matter?
These are all the questions we need to ask.

Anyhow, still in negotiation with the IRN people and think any help or assistance will be appreciated from all victims.
Share the knowledge and fight .

thks

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Charlie
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Date Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2005, 2:53:17

Hello, I have been hearing very bad things about ATC. I had the same experience of being promised a price and then, listening to their talk. Eventually, I left after paying some money to be an invitee. Whenever I want to travel, I will top up, depending on the location. It seems like many have been paying 5 figure sums and trying to get resale prices for their membership w/o success. For me, I just want the holiday accomodations. Full stop. So am I being taken for a ride down here? I have read that one of the guys got hassled to pay more while staying at 1 of the resort.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
ram
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Date Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2005, 9:38:18

hi

Please send me an email.

rgds

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Derrick
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Date Posted: Wed, Aug 03 2005, 4:43:56

Hi, after reading all the messages posted, i realised that i nearly became a victim of timeshare scam.

Yesterday evening,while i was walking from Heeren towards Paragon, i was approached by this Chinese PR student doing a short survey relating to tour (which country i would like to visit etc....) Usually when i see surveyors coming, i would shun them as if they r pests. i dunno what came over me yesterday and without hestiating, i agreed to do it!

After 5 mins of asking this and that, she produced a stack of scratch n win cards and asking me to pick 1. I was really surprise because i was merely helping her to do a survey only and i really get to win something from that???? So i picked 1 from her and scratch it, she told me that i have won a $25 voch from ck tang if i m nt mistaken. I told myself this was too gd to be true.

Nw this is where the big time scam really came, she told me to pick another card saying that i m entitled to 2 scratch cards. Wow! Since i was feeling lucky the 1st time round, so why not. After scratching it, she shouted in joy to her nearby colleague that i had won the top prize of 7 nights accommodation for 2 in a luxurious vacation apartment in one of the resort areas listed in their brochure.

(* the scratch n win card is such that each colored star indicate each diff. category of prizes. For my case, i gt a yellow star in the 1st attempt and a red star for the top prize)

But here's the catch, in order to claim my prizes, all i need to do is to spend some time to listen to some tour presentations only, so since i am meeting my friend abt 1 hr later, so why not.

So the surveyor brought me to Fable House where i received a presentation by a representative of IRN about ATC.
After repeated hard selling by the manager, i stood my ground of nt signing up for a 30yr membership saying that i gt a lot of financial committments. But the manager was no t going to give up hope, she even suggested to me to try out the 3yrs membership for a fee of $3000! I was really firm abt nt joining and she gt no choice but to release me.

As the representative of IRN walked me out to the counter to collect my gifts, she gave me a very disappointing look and walked away without even thankin me for giving my time for listening to the presentation! What the heck!

So i went home thinking abt the whole incident and i decided to check it out on the net to see whether there is such a company in Singapore. I happened to chance upon this forum which made me realise that i was nearly duped!!!

I would like to say Thks for setting up this forum and educate those who are not fully aware of this scam.

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
George
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Date Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2005, 22:11:10

U are so lucky Derrick. U didn't get hooked with IRN. Anyway check out your free 7-day holiday voucher which u won scratching cards and u will realise that it isn't free after all! U will need to pay US$40 to just book for that holiday accomodatiion and then hope they send u a reply on your confirmed resort. And that is not all. U are obliged to listen to another timeshare crap at the resort when u go on holiday. Don't forget u pay your own air-fares, transfers, sight-seeing and food bills. All for that so-called free accomodation in some resort.
This is their style. If they don't get u to sign up for the 30 yrs renewable ATC membership then they will come up with another holiday gimmick called a 'pack' - a compact holiday scheme ostensibly to let u try the holiday membership but actually getting u to enjoy holidays with RCI without being a member of RCI (u don't have to pay the $150 annual RCI subscription fee timeshare owners pay). But the catch is IRN will liaise with RCI to buy for you the 'get-away' specials upon your request. U will be billed for the get-away specials which will cost u anything from $250-$550 for a 3days to a week of accomodation. And there is also an additional charge for the guest certificate with RCI. And mind u, these so- called bookings are not guaranteed - meaning u may not get your choice holidays! How many of these accomodations can u buy in a year! But u are paying them $1000 per year for 3 years! Congratulations!

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
jig
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Date Posted: Mon, May 01 2006, 16:47:14

Hi there,

I had EXACTLY the same experience as Derrick last night
(April 30, 2006). I am VERY much amazed why these
kind of scams are still at LARGE! I'm a tourist here in
Singapore and personally, I have a great respect with the
Singapore Government and I cannot believe that these kind
of activity still exist up to now. I would be warning my
friends, relatives and families about this operation.

May I ask if you availed of your 7-day free holiday tour?

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
CARLOS A. MALICSI
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Date Posted: Mon, Aug 15 2005, 15:46:40

I registered last year my fully paid ATC membership to Jeff & Kenny Consulation Services Pte Ltd and deposited a trust fund of S$598.00 for resale registration. Anyone know this company? No one answer their phone at Parkway Parade.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
sim
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Date Posted: Tue, Aug 16 2005, 2:48:31

If the fees that you have paid are non-refunable, then it will be as good as gone if they are not able to sell your timeshare. Anyway, resale companies that ask for upfront fees are to be avoided as they may just sit on your resale and do nothing. There will be no motivation to help to sell your timeshare as they are "already paid by you" even before the timeshare is sold to anyone.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Fighter
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Date Posted: Wed, Aug 17 2005, 3:17:16

Hi All, I am also a victim, but I wanted to fight back not only for myself, but for all the people in Singapore, so that they will not be conned again by all these companies. I sincerely need your help to join in our fight against these companies. I am trying to organise a fightback community to have a series of events that will educate the public on this, we really don't want any of our relatives, good friends to be conned like us. If all people in Singapore know of their tricks and the ways they conned people, what would happened to all these companies....Please email me by clicking on "Fighter" for my email. Need to get as many people as possible to join.

According to CASE's assistance on Timeshare matters. They received 1,518 complaints related to Timeshare in 2003, and 2,724 in 2004.

If we assumed that each case is conned for S$8000,
therefore in 2003, S$12.144 million was conned
and in 2004, S$21.8 million was conned.
In total for 2003-2004, $33.944 million was conned not including year 2005. Ihis is a very big sum and all these companies are getting richer out of our hard earned money.

Total number of people conned in 2003-2004 is 4,242 people. The figure may be more as some of them that are conned, don't know that they are conned or they did not report to CASE and we have not include year 2005.

If 4,242 people can gather together, we can put a stop to all these. I know that a lot of people is very embarous of being conned by all these companies and dare not stand out or let your friends know. Don't be, as in 4,242 people there are many professionals that are being conned, I was one of them. I am a engineer and a master degree holder but I was still conned. The sales tactic of these companies are too good and there are too many hidden terms that are not make know to us when we sign on the lines.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Tony
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Date Posted: Mon, Aug 22 2005, 16:10:56

i am one of the victim. nowtime the things i can do is to
terminate the membership by stopping annual fee payment.
i realised i would lose several thousands. if some one can
help me to take back these money being conned, i will fully
be apprreciated for this. Go ahead!

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Srinivasa Rao
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Date Posted: Wed, Aug 24 2005, 22:49:03

Hi! All,

Unfortunately I also have become member at IRN recently..

Oh My god!!! I am feeling very sad and bad.. We are so educated and still fall prey to such things.. I was just trying to open the IRN website and gave a search in google.com. I saw this forum.. then only I realised that I have lost lots of money..

Just few queries.. Has anyone gone on a holiday trip using IRN to any place?? Is it real that they gave accomodation in Fivestar resorts?? Do we need to pay even at those resorts??

By any chance can we get back the money??

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Rashid
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Date Posted: Fri, Aug 26 2005, 17:42:47

Well, if you are a victim only recently, you are covered by Consumer Fair Trading Act. If you can't deal with them yourself, seek CASE help.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
sim
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Date Posted: Fri, Aug 26 2005, 2:11:31

If the membership you just bought is still within 3 days, you still have some hope of cancelling. But if it is not...........it is going to be an up hill task.

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
lex
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 05 2005, 19:27:54

I just signed up a 8k package. But manage to cancel the agreement with 3 working days under the fair trade laws in singapore.

Those that managed to cancel the agreement with IRN, pls do get a cancellation letter from them and also call up your banks to cease all the installment plans and deposit.

good luck

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Learhsa
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Date Posted: Sat, Apr 29 2006, 0:51:34

Yes, just got my cancellation letter after 2 days. I point out to them their website looks too fraud...

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
yan
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Date Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2005, 3:23:10

Hi all!

I'm also a victim of ATC. sigh, signed it on February 2004. Haven't stop regretting!!!! Mine is a 10k contract. Seriously wonder if i stop my credit card payment, wat will happen? Anyone get harass by ATC b4?

My bf have already paid up 4.8k so far, nearing 50%. we r trying to book vacation using ATC, but bcos we haven pay half, still cannot book any resort. Wonder is it tough in getting the resort we wan?

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
JK
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Date Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2005, 23:25:29

Like to hear from you guys that brought timeshare from IRN/ATC. We can help & support each other out.

- When did you brought it?
Feb 2003. So far paid around 4k+
- Tell us your experience with them?
After looking thru all this msg, look i need to try their service. Have not try their service as there is no urge to go so far in the past... since i am planning a trip end of this yr, I am going to try out. So this weekend, I'm going down to IRN to book a vacation. if it does not appear as wat it has promised... i'm going to stop payment.
- When & how you find out that you are being Con?
This weekend
- Are you doing anything to get your money back? And how?
i'm going to find some rascal lawyer and let him get back the money. 50% of the amt will goes to him. Anyway i dun prepare to get any back. anyone want to join?
- What is your immediate plan?
Arrange for appointment this weekend.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
DanielOh
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Date Posted: Mon, Sep 19 2005, 17:52:14

Hey, guys it appears to me that CASE is not really helpful in recovering your $$$, all they will advise you is "write to them to cancel the agreement" and "cut your losess by not paying anymore "membership fees". And this is only 50/ 50 chance. Have anyone went to the lawyers?

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Jezx
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 08 2005, 15:11:41

Dear all,

This is a so called 'old scam new victims' scenario. I was lucky that I never went thru the extend of doing down for the presentation.

But I experienced the survey that was outside Paragon, where I was 'helping' a babe to do a survey due to some free time I had while waiting for my next appt. The scratch card issue was the same, won a watch, and a holiday trip.

I was asking to go this Fable house for a presentation. In fact, I always have this belief- nothing is free. And such good deal for a 5 mins survey is just crap. So after the survey, i excused myself, saying I've another appt to rush. They tried calling and calling, but i didn't bother to pick up the call after the first one.

Another example is the phone call I received. Caller will greet u with cheerful voice, then tell u about your winning during some shopping trip few months ago. Sure enough, ppl do shop, but can't reli remem about the finer details of lucky draw, but these cons based on the 'greed' of commoners to persuade them to go down for their presentation, thus u get those hard sell tactics etc.

This gal that called me, the moment I told her that i haven't been shopping for the past 3 months, she just slammed down the phone without even the basic courtesy to say good bye....well, service orientated industry nowadays seems slack even for cons yeah? hahaha....

Anyway, this presentation will take place in an office near peninsular if I didn't remem wrongly, n the other one is near an office oppo forum.

So guys n gals, the lesson to this is- we are caught due to the greed in us for a cheap or free deal, which we should tell ourselves that nothing comes free in this world.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
George
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 08 2005, 21:53:25

Yes. Pass the word around. Don't let these scammers take u or your loved ones for a ride. Please warn everyone u know about this. Now the problem with many of us is that we are naturally greedy and impulsive. Don't succumb to the temptation. Remember, nothing is free. People must realize that going for these freebies and offers will put them in a precarious position as far as their finances are concerned. You will be spending money on something u don't need and will soon regret in a short while when u realize that it is something extraneous. As u can see in these forum, many people regret their decisions and get into a lot of trouble trying to cancel their membership, going to see CASE and seeking the services of lawyers. It is a big headache trying to get out of the grips of these is leeches when reality sets in......

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Cecilia Wong
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 06 2006, 14:55:17

Wow... thank God for the person who started this forum.

Yesterday, my bf and I were around Orchard to catch a movie. As we still had one hour before showtime, we decided to go to Heeren to kill time. As we were walking back to Orchard Cineleisure for the movie, this young secondary school gal named Geraldine, stopped us for a survey.

We did the survey as we still had time before the show. After that she got us to pick two out of a stack of scratch and win cards. Like the earlier story, we "won" a $30 Takashimaya voucher and a 8 days, 7 nights free stay at any 7 destinations. A guy, who's her supervisor came over after she notified him of our "winnings" and told us to attend a 1hr 20min presentation before we can redeem our prizes. We were lucky that our movie ended after their office closed.

However I am quite saddened by the fact that the teenagers (both supervisor and surveyor) nowadays can lie through their teeth, and without batting an eyelid. How they can actually fake an excitement, and con people into going for the talk. Even when we asked if we need to fork out anything or conditions to fulfill or is it some sort of timesharing stuff, they denied flat.

"We are just promoting travel and tourism..." came the answer. For the sake of money, these young kids would stoop to lying. Even though they may be ignorant about the scale of the scam but they definitely know that it's not a "free" thing, and that organisers are trying to sell timeshare.

Scam organisations are making use of guillible students and teaching them to smear their conscience with money. And mind you, these kids are our future. They are Singapore in coming years. What are our authorities doing to stop all these nonsense? Shouldn't our educaters be instilling the proper morals and values instead of stressing only on academic excellence in our young?

You can see that our priorities are all skewed and focus wrongly placed. It's not only about scam and money, it's also about the wrongs that we are condoning and type of society that we are grooming.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
sim
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 13 2006, 23:11:59

Lets take a good look at the root of the problem and what do you see that is the cause of all these trouble? Those timeshare CONpanies!!!

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Ivan
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Date Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2006, 13:25:20

I bought IRN timeshare 2 years back for $8000 and I've paid $4000 so far. I tried to terminate the agreement recently, but they didn't allow me. However they allowed me to convert my timeshare membership to another vacation package called "Destinations" with another $4000 to top-up. The maintenance fee for Destinations is only US$50 for every alternate year and the booking fee is US$250 (after confirmation). There will be no free vacation, but I will be able to buy 2 vacation package every year ranging from US$99 to US$599.

Have anybody signed up or covert to "Destinantions" before?

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Vince
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Date Posted: Mon, Apr 03 2006, 14:54:01

We just converted my membership to Destinations too, after the manager told us recently that our own membership has been 'scrapped', telling us how the old membership has ceased to be marketable.

Now we are looking for agencies or people who are buying our membership. Do leave a reply or email me if you are aware of any agencies buying the ATC membership.

Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Wee
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Date Posted: Tue, Apr 04 2006, 21:22:29

We'd just signed up for a trial membership few weeks ago. We missed the 3 days cancellation period. May I know if anyone signed up and tried booking any holiday?

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[> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Eric
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Date Posted: Mon, Apr 24 2006, 2:19:38

1st time to this forum and surprised to see the thread to go all the way back to so many years ago. IRN/ ATC seems to have a history to go too if check out www.crimeshare.com.

I have upgraded from timeshare to 'destination' in 2005 to get away from the maintenance amounting to $350 (alternate yrs too). Paid in total 11+4k and really upset since the day i signed the agreement. Having consulted some lawyers and it seems thats is the best i can at this point! BUT NO I M NOT ASKING PPL TO UPGRADE!! Because i suspect the said subscription rate of USD50 to again increase drastically (repeating the whle cycle again) which by then i will really need HELP to get off the HOOK!! Cause i dont want to keep on having to fret over this scheme!

Sigh... then there is this company that claims to take over ur membership because they have ready australian market to sell it but with the condition that u enter into their cashback scheme which will mature in 3-6yrs time. (The lure is that u can get back what u put in initially, ya sounds good huh!) With new money of course! N not small sum too! I have not taken that and I advise u ppl to stay clear.. Bad smell i say... 3-6yrs... i dont know what will happen then!

It depresses me more with each new sales call from different (which may come from same) company capitalising on this timeshare. Yesterday this one from seminar company wanting to make use of ur vacation n pay u for it! I cant be bothered if it is scam or not! But really looks like it is HUGE out there!

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[> [> Subject: Re: IRN/ATC members


Author:
Deric
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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2006, 3:25:11

Today is 25th June 2006.

On 24th June 2006 between 4:30 pm and 7:15 pm, my wife and I had encountered the same incident as Derrick illustrated in his post dated Wed, Aug 03 2005, 4:43:56

Just want to share my feeling on this whole episode:

I just cannot understand why this is still allowed to happen in our current society, where is the ethic and moral obligation of all who involved in this. I still remember clearly the faces of the few people I had interacted with whom I felt are guilty of committing this "sinful crime". I feel sorry for the few couples/individuals who had just signed up today. Their names were proudly announced as new members to the club, while the rest of us were giving them a big hand to welcome them?! What is their fate, and those who are going to sign up tomorrow, and the days to come?

May God be with you.

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Wayle
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Date Posted: Wed, Jul 05 2006, 19:42:59

Yesterday, after a hearty meal at paragon with my gf, we wanted to jay walk over to takashimaya but decided not to as the traffic police is known to dish out summons along that stretch. so we walked furthur down towards the traffic lights and there we were stopped by an innocent looking young girl who claimed to be on the first day of work. well, the rest of the story is the same as everyone who has posted.

'Disappointingly' though was the fact that out of the 2 'peel and win' cards we got, 1 was the useless 6D7N travel voucher (who's gonna send money to some foreign registered company located in the wilderness of Thailand??) and the other was just a smiley "thank u have a nice day" face.
No shopping or dining vouchers like some others who at least got for their 3 hrs. We were abt to enter the Faber House then we saw another gloomy looking couple walking out. Really strange I thought but the 2 students who accompanied were persuasive.

In the end we went through the 'talk', the manager tried to coax us into buying $13500 and even divided the sum wrongly when he said u need to give 1/2 the amt as deposit, stating $7500. Then he went on to say things are flexible and how much we thought we could fork out. We thought to ourselves, firstly the cash upfront was such a turn-off and secondly the deal and everything seemed too 'flexible'. It seems to me (and certain now) that there's no fix membership fee and it's totally up to the salesperson to quote how much they think they can fleece from the individual.

What I want to point out is when my girlfriend (thankfully she was real solid firm while I was tempted right left centre) said NO to giving an estimate deposit figure no less than 3 times and wanted to leave, the manager actually tried a last ditch attempt to hook us on by saying, "WHAT IF I OFFER U A 3 YR TRIAL PERIOD FOR FREE?"

This is something i dun get it. From posts ive seen all acroos messageboards, i see pple forking out 2.5 - 3K for 3 yr trial. I understand the salespeople get some cash from these supposedly 'smaller' deals as well but offering us free? I shudder now at the thought of how had I fallen for the 'free deal' I would be bounded for the rest of my life paying monthly subscription fees in the excess of 100USD!

In any case, things started ot get nasty as my gf rejected the manager's 'kind free offer' and he said,"Now this is something i don't understand. I'm offering all these free to u and u are not biting? I think u are really strange and quite dumb." My gf replied, "Whatever."

So my advice is, if u see teenagers doing survey along paragon, and u know u have time to spare (2-3hrs), no harm stopping to try ur luck at the peel and win cards. The 6D7N travel voucher is default and useless. Unless u won urself a shopping/dining/movie tic voucher, dont waste ur time. otherwise get those vouchers on the dot after 80 mins and enjoy them the very next day!

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