Thanks susiej for your thoughts, there really are some moments in the book that were hard to swallow. In PM LJ would hardly have done anything to stand out of the crowd. And he carefully considered the consequences, here he's so very different. The flogging scene in the barracks was another unbelievable passage. Inside please>> -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 12:53:47 10/15/07 Mon
Author: Helka
Subject: Thanks susiej for your thoughts, there really are some moments in the book that were hard to swallow. In PM LJ would hardly have done anything to stand out of the crowd. And he carefully considered the consequences, here he's so very different. The flogging scene in the barracks was another unbelievable passage. Inside please>>
In reply to: susiej 's message, "hmm, very interesting as your posts always are. I asked you this once already but don't know if you saw it or just prefer to keep your privacy, so I'll ask again. Are you a history professor or teacher? As for your point, I will have to disagree somewhat- there are bigger differences than I realized (which is not surprising since i don't know the whole story) however, I still do see a big similarity in singling yourself out in the eyes of a crowd, particularly a crowd gathered in the street to see violence done. It is a much bigger risk than what Jamie did with Beardsly and both Jamie and John risked not only the normal rankling of a crowd and being associated with "criminal" but exposure of things they would wish to keep secret. Then there's the whole calling out and the act of compassion to one who is left with so little, one who others can so easily ignore. And thanks to all of you for taking my criticism so well and answering it even better." on 11:55:43 10/15/07 Mon

If you haven't read the book, I'll try to describe the scene: They had just witnessed how a thieving soldier was flogged and it brought the Ardsmuir memories back to LJ. Later Percy was found in the storeroom, where the flogging "cats" were kept and he wanted to try it on John. And John agreed without a doubt and wanted more than one blow!

OOkay here I laughed at the scene, it was so unbelievable. Not the flogging I must add, but the place and the timing were so odd.

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Helka>>>> -- susiej, 14:49:52 10/15/07 Mon
- Oh, and Helka this is totally off topic>>>> -- susiej, 14:54:04 10/15/07 Mon
  - Yes definitely >> -- Helka, 01:56:18 10/16/07 Tue
    - susiej, a music link inside >>> -- Helka, 08:15:14 10/16/07 Tue
I thought it was an odd scene, but not unbelievable. John had just been reliving Jamie's flogging at Ardsmuir, and Percy was clearly disturbed (maybe excited?) by seeing his first flogging. I thought John's reaction here was a subconscious purging of guilt, as well as a morbid curiosity about just what he'd really done to Jamie, in terms of pain and humiliation. (NT) -- MsNaugha, 14:53:32 10/15/07 Mon
- oh, good insight- that's a view I can accept. (NT) -- susiej, 14:55:13 10/15/07 Mon
- Yes! This is how I interpreted it. John's way of punishing himself, and in a strange way, trying to become closer to Jaime. Now he has put himself through what he once put Jaime through. (NT) -- Oleander, 13:54:32 10/16/07 Tue
I think in PM that it was literally "a private matter." I mean his circumspection is due to the fact that his family is involved. He wouldn't do anything to risk a scandal that would damage them. In BOTB, though, he's in his military sphere, and while there's a family angle, he's dealing with his father, who's dead and can't be hurt, and with Hal, who can certainly take care of himself. (NT) -- MsNaugha, 15:13:22 10/15/07 Mon

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