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Date Posted: 09:14:20 04/25/05 Mon
Author: Hayley
Subject: Jelous Students
What should a band director do when he/she has jelous students? For example: What do you do when a student gets jelous and/or mad when he/she does not get the first-chair position of a section. I've seen this get to the point where the student had their parents come in and complain to the diretor and demand that their child be first-chair. What should you do when you think that student really isn't good enough to be first chair but the parents won't stop complaining?
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Re: Jealous Students -- Rosemary, 13:00:32 04/25/05 Mon [1]
I think that's more of a parent issue than a student issue. If the student really think he/she deserves the part, then maybe he/she should practice more to be better. Being better can be a (healthy and non-healthy)motivator. For parents, explain the same reasoning that you did to the student. If parents persist, get caller ID. Let them know that there's nothing more to discuss.
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Re: Jelous Students -- Ferris, 18:55:47 05/02/05 Mon [1]
I think that rejecting the student would only mke them want to work harder, to get the postion next year. A rejection can be very motivating. As for the parents I would think that suggesting a way to help thier child better thier skills would be the first step. Also put them in line by saying thier opinion and complaining is helping but hurting. The student should address the issue with the teacher themselves not rely on mommy and daddy to make it all better.
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Re: Jelous Students -- Lindsay, 08:49:21 05/03/05 Tue [1]
The problem is, you will have students who rely on Mommy and Daddy for everything, so you will have to learn to deal with it. Every situation will be slightly different, but I would say that yes, rejection can be a motivator, but it can also be an effective squelcher (to use a scientific term). You must be able to find positive ways to motivate the student without saying (or implying) to them that they're not good enough. I know some schools have a chair challenging system, where lower chairs can challenge the chairs above them and perhaps move up a chair if they perform well. I personally am not so sure about this system; however, you as the teacher will have to determine if the school's atmosphere will allow you to use that system effectively. If not, it may get out of control and competitiveness will again squelch any desire to continue out of the ones who are "not as good."
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Re: Jelous Students -- Dr. O., 11:42:15 05/04/05 Wed [1]
The Challenge system is a good one. If the problem is really severe, the director might want to solicit an outside person to listen to auditions or tapes, without knowing who is playing. Alternatively, it is possible to set up a system where the director listens to tapes without knowing in advance who is playing, or even hears live auditions/tryouts behind a screen to shield the identity of participants. Professional orchestras use this system; it protects against charges of bias very effectively.
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Re: Jelous Students -- Chad, 11:31:08 05/06/05 Fri [1]
I would tell the parents the truth, without sugar coating it. Sometimes parents need to be put in their place as much as an obnoxious student does. Be forward and honest. It's not your fault that the student who is complaining isn't as good as the first chair. Be honest, it's your band. Run it as you want.
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Re: Jealous Students -- Rosemary, 06:19:25 05/07/05 Sat [1]
I disagree. To be a professional, teachers need to develop tact, ESPECIALLY with parents. Parents can make or break your program. Instead of "putting someone in their place", just don't discuss it anymore. That is a much more powerful statement, while at the same time being professional.
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Re: Jelous Students -- Hayley, 15:46:23 05/07/05 Sat [1]
Thanks everybody for the input. This was a problem in my highschool during my senior year. It got way out of out of hand. I really admired my director for doing things the way he felt they should be done, I really wondered what I would ever do if I was in that situation.
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Re: Jelous Students -- Hayley, 15:48:30 05/07/05 Sat [1]
That last message didn't really go where I wanted it too, I wanted to put it as replying to everbody. Sorry. Now this one will probably go where I wanted the other one to go once I submit it. Oh well.
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