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Date Posted: 09:35:32am 12/10/05 Sat,
Author: tony merola
Subject: NOT TOT BUT DOT

Not Tim O'toole but Dumb O'toole. FU up by three with 4 seconds to go and the ball under your own basket, with only 4 team fouls on FU. The enemy is the clock, u must realize this TOT! You have to pressure the in- bound pass and make it difficult for loyola to get the ball in bound and then foul on the floor when Loyola receives the ball. Make them dribble the ball and use precious seconds off the clock. Foul them on the floor because fouls five and six do not count( non shooting) and fouls seven - ten only earn you a one and one opportunity.

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[> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Menzies, 10:33:14am 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

Even if you have 14 team fouls....put them on the line for TWO. You are ahead THREE.

It was an inbound at the spot. Loyola could not run the baseline, leading you to guarding the inbounder.

Sad, sad, sad

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[> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Stag57, 10:40:41am 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

Just one of many misjudgements that will be made again this year by TOT. He should keep his head in the game rather than continually being on the refs. Oh well, FU likes mediocrity(?), so they'll hang in with him. Oh, by the way, do games like this incent more support from the alums and students?

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[> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- When the Stags Come Marching In..., 10:58:59am 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

As always, there is no room for error, be it a coaching decision (maybe there are not enough guys in suits on the bench to keep track of things like the number of fouls), missed free throws, or a referee's call. Results may not show it, but a much more entertaining team to watch this year.

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[> [> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Running Man, 01:21:46pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

Heck if my main objective was to be entertained, I would have stayed home to watch Seinfeld. I came to watch them win a winnable game and I did not care how they did it, as long as they did it.

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[> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- tony merola, 01:56:57pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

I agree with you '57. Work the refs, that makes sense! However, after you have made your point, stop and go back and coach your team because that is what you are paid to do!

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[> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- RayS, 11:44:49am 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

I believe this is the last year of TOT's current contract. If so can anyone give me agood reason to renew it?

If Bucknell can upset a major Big East team and Loyola can go from bottom feeder to what looks like a team that will make some noise in the MAAC this year, how long do we accept mediocrity? When TOT took over he had more talent then Patsos, and except for 2 good seasons his teams have consistently underperformed. Last year was a perfect example, a team with a dominant player (in the MAAC at least) & he can manage only a .500 season!

A mistake like last night's might be excusable for a first year coach but he's in his 8th year as a head coach. Frankly the players & the fans deserve alot better.

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[> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Menzies, 03:11:13pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

The tough part about last night is that the error was so obvious and so obviously cost the game. On the other hand, all the good things that we all liked last night - the teamwork, mental toughness have something to do with TOT as well. After 7+ years I think we see what we have. There are good qualities and areas where I think we all hope for more but it does not look like things will change. A tough call.

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[> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Doc, 04:35:22pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

I was at the game last eve and totally agree that TOT missed the event. But what amazed me was that the assistant coaches did not point out what the status of the situation was. I was sitting with Bridgeport and one of our former assistant coaches of years ago, and we are agreed that the inbounder must have a player all over him to hinder the pass. Collins got the pass and scored on a last second shot to tie the game at regulation time, and made it look easy. And we had fouls to give.With proper coaching we should have won that game, and that loss hurt very much and rates as one of our geatest mismanaged losses of all time.

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[> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- RayS, 04:47:56pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

Sure there have been some highlights, but bottomline how many MAAC championships has TOT delivered? I will bet that Patsos wins one before TOT does.

I look & see Mid-Majors delivering upsets& we are satisfied with playing "tough" & looking for the "positives". Well I'm positive of only one thing Fairfield will never win with TOT at the helm.

Oh one other positive Lacrosse season is only 2 months away.

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[> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Champ, 04:42:18pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

It was a winnable game but I am still optimistic about this season. I like the passion and determination of Han and that will be a catalyst as the season unfolds. MOS and/or Max should be the difference in '06.

I will reserve judgement on TOT until I see what he does in recruiting this Spring. Everyone on the planet knows what we need. He has proven that he can get good talent in Han, but can he do it consistently at a high level? We have such a glaring weakness at center. He absolutely has to snag someone who can intimidate and contribute right away. What a shame if we fail to attract a high caliber center to team with Han in his time at Fairfield. As I stated in an earlier post, any skilled big man has to be crazy not to consider Fairfield -- a fantastic opportunity to star from Day 1. That has to be TOT's highest priority. Han alone will get us some decent winning seasons but, to finally get noticed, we need all of the pieces in place at the same time.

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[> [> Any Big Man Has to Be Crazy -- Frank F, 05:45:48pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

Actually, any big man has to be crazy to consider Fairfield, even with Han.

O'Toole simply has no idea of what to do with a big man. Thompson only got the minutes he needed because Gai was injured. Gai really showed little or no development under O'Toole. Middleton gets no time even though we are fielding a team smaller than a large Connecticut high school team.

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[> [> [> Re: Any Big Man Has to Be Crazy -- Stagophile, 05:55:19pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

Interesting stat from last night...

Geoff had 5 rebounds (2 offensive) in 11 mintues while Alvin had 4 in 34 minutes. I love Al hustle, but, is Geoff being underutilized?!?! He certainly is delivering what is being asked out him...rebounds and defense.

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[> [> [> Re: Any Big Man Has to Be Crazy -- Frank F, 05:58:24pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

Gee, and I thought I was the only person in the world looking at these stats. Don't our coaches review stats?

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[> [> [> Re: Any Big Man Has to Be Crazy -- 79er, 11:20:23am 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

It is foolish to say that Thomson neither played nor prospered at Fairfield. He got plenty of minutes from freshman year on and was heartily criticized on this board for much of his career. He developed tremendously his senior year into one of the best big men at any mid-major in the country. Did that happen by magic?

As for Gai, he didn't grow the way any of us expected. If we blame Fairfield coaching for that then we must conclude as well that the staff of the 76ers is no better.

On Middleton vs. Carter, from watching the Loyola game I'm not sure that Middleton has the stamina to play more than he has thus far. We all hope that he can take over at center. Of course, a few weeks ago most posters on this board were wondering why he is even playing Division I.

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[> [> [> Re: Any Big Man Has to Be Crazy -- Frank F, 02:32:53pm 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

He developed when O'Toole was forced to play him full time when Gai was injured. O'Toole was forced to play him!

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[> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Reindeer Fan, 09:32:48pm 12/10/05 Sat, [1]

This is what I have seen as well. Look at Geoff's RPM number and BPM (Rebounds and blocks per minute). Alvin pales by comparison. I love what Alvin Carter has done for this team. But I said it three weeks ago, and I'll say it again. With Mary out the Stags have only one legimate center and that is Middleton. Middleton needs to get his minutes and grow into the job. I think about when the stags had Andy Woodli at Center when Groomos went down. He played their because he was the only option we had. Geoff has more potential than Woodley had. He is bigger, has some inate shoot blocking skills, and although he has no post moves whatsoever, he seems to be a pretty decent shooter facing the basket. So I still see upside potential in Middleton. He is a sophomore who will only get better.

To those who say players don't develop under TOT. I say look at Goode and Carter. Did anyone believe Goode would become the player he became. Five years ago did anyone really think Carter what good more than two minutes of playing time per game. I think it is possible for players to develope and improve. Some do and some don't. The coaches do not deserve all the credit or the blame for this.

I like Carter a lot. I like his heart and his hustle. I think he has worked hard and developed in to a legimate division one player. That being said, I think O'toole needs to give more playing time to middleton and less to Carter. Carter is 6'4". He should be playing powerforward not center. For that matter if MOS he should play the 4 as well. The only legimate center on this club is Middleton and I think he should be seeing more than 25 minutes per game at this position.

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[> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Red Rugger, 09:26:29am 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

I think TOT sees a lot of himself in Carter. Same style of play.

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[> [> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- FRank F, 10:10:58am 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

Red Rugger- I think you are absolutely right. And I think it may be at the core of why O'Toole was a very good player but not a very good coach.

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[> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- JCM, 07:31:57pm 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

I think TOT also saw himself in Goode. I felt Goode had a role on the team but was a liability in some situations, but TOT continued to leave him on the floor at times where he didn't belong there. How many times were the stags down three with the ball and Goode was in there. He was 5'5 and couldn't create his own shot. The stags were working for the final shot playing 4 on 5. Goode could do some things for you but asking him to score in such a situation was not fair.

The truth is it seems, Tim judges people by their work ethic, heart, attitude and hustle and less by their innate abilities. I think Tim needs to look at the basketball skill of some of the folks he has put on the floor. Carter and Goode were not really recruited by anyone other than Fairfield. There is a reason for this. I think both players were stand up guys and good to have in the program. But folks like this should be playing a supporting role, not be the go to guys. Carter should be a back-up Powerforward who gets 15 minutes per game. Asking him to play center is not fair. The guy has no chance against a 6'9 player no less against some of the seven footers he's going to see this year. We're asking the impossible from this kid just like we did from Goode.

Players need to be used properly. We can't cloud our judgements about the abilities of some folks just because they have a lot of heart. The bottom line is, people need to have a certain amount of ability to go along with the hustle. In the tot era, we haven't always had the best players on the floor.

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