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Date Posted: 10:58:48pm 11/28/05 Mon,
Author: Frank F
Subject: Thoughts On The Prov Game
I was there and it was an inspired effort by Fairfield.
We were in the game all the way and sadly a couple of questionable charging fouls on Todd at key moments were the difference.
Oglesby was great and finally showed offensive firepower. Han, Todd, MVS, Carter all played well.
Of course Providence got layups on us all night and shot 60%+ from the floor because of it. We were killed on the boards as you would expect. The crowd was disappointing in numbers but finally was given an opportunity to yell and shout and they did.
Tonight Fairfield took the floor against a Big East team with Michael Bell and Carter at 6-4 and three 6 foot guards starting. They played as well as anyone could have expected.
Of course the reality is we are 0-3, but at least the club played with spirit and heart.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Bob, 11:10:09pm 11/28/05 Mon, [1]
Stags played with tremendous amount of heart. A lot of fun to watch Carter and the 4 guards battle a Big East team. Short-handed in height & talent, they stayed in the game with a truly inspired effort. Following up the disaster with St Joes, TOT did a great job in getting the team ready to play tonight. Kudos to TOT and the team for a job very well done.
The only down side was Middleton. Several fans wondered why he didn't start with MOS out. He showed in his few minutes exactly why. Team much better with Carter at center. - Says a lot, doesn't it?
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- JCM, 11:37:22pm 11/28/05 Mon, [1]
I went to the game. The team that played tonight would go undeated in Maac play. The team that played last Monday would go 0-18. I hope we see the hustle, passing, defense and aggressive play we say tonight from the stags for the rest of the season. Win or lose a team that plays like this will be fun to watch. And a team that plays like this will win more than they lose.
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Observations on tonights game -- Reindeer Fan, 12:04:23am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
I can't believe I'm saying this but I think the stags actually outplayed the Friars. There were more than just a few questionable charge calls on Todd. There were a couple of terrible out of bounds calls where the ball went off providence and yet providence retained possession. Providence was awarded a continuation on a foul where the shot was let go 3 steps and about 5 seconds after the foul. There was one official that absolutely killed Fairfield tonight. Every bad call I saw came from this one official.
That being said, the stags are now 0-3. Still I feel much better about this team than I did a week ago. My expectations are more in line with what I thought going into the season. Here are my thoughts on tonights game.
1) Jon Han can flat out play. He is the best recruite in the Tim O'toole era. He lets the game come to him. He makes his shots. He doesn't turn the ball over.
2) Herbie Allen will develop into a good ball player. I liked what I saw tonight. He made a great steal and basket. He played his man a little better but is still a little slow on defense. He got stuffed badly on a 3 point shot. I think he will learn from these experience and develop into a smarter ballplayer. He looks to have the ability but perhaps not the experience playing against division one level talent.
3) MVS is still coming along but is still too tentative with his shot. Michael - when your open shoot the ball. Shoot it. Take the open three. Have some confidence. You can hit it. -- Still he was more agressive tonight than he was last week.
4) Olgesby proved he can play at this level and have a breakout game. He still forces shots on the inside too much when he is not open.
5) In my opinion, the number one reason why Fairfield lost tonight was that Terrance Todd forced too many shots on the inside in the final 5 minutes of the game. Yes he was hacked. Yes, he didn't get the calls. But he should never have been taking those shots to begin with. I think he went 0-5 down the stretch including a charge and 4 shots that were blocked or altered. He was forcing things rather than passing to an open man.
6) Michael Bell should not shoot the ball in the first 5 minutes of the game. He should be the number one option at the end of the game. Is it me or does Bell hit 80% of his shots in the last 10 minutes of the game and 20% in the first 5 minutes? That seems to be the pattern every game I watch. If the game is on the line, Michael Bell is the one player I want taking the shot. His 40 foot three pointer near the end and Hans 25 footer were almost enough.
7) Carter. Once again he played as hard as you could want and did more with less. He even hit a three pointer as the stags were mounting a final charge. If his inate abilities matched his heart he'd be all conference.
8) Marty O is hurt. I'd like to see this new look offense with him in the mix rather than carter. Carter had a lot of open looks from the outside that Marty is more likely to hit. I also think Marty is a better passer. I'd like to see him in as part of this offensive set. I hope Marty was watching Alvin play tonight though. Alvin showed how to stay active on offense and how to move without the ball. Geoff and Marty take notes.
9) Why didn't FU run this offense the first two games? This is what I expected to see. Good ball movement. Good passing. Players moving without the ball. Open three point shots.
10) Geoff Middleton is still a work in progress. Still, with Marty hurt there is little question Geoff needs to play. I think TOT made a mistake not getting him a few more minutes last season.
There are no moral victories, this was another tough lose. Still this lose gives everyone much more cause to be optimistic. This kind of play will win ball games
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- When the Stags Come Marching In..., 08:10:36am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
RF,
Good recap, although I will disagree with your criticism of TT. He is the only one that is willing to step up in crunch time and tries to do something. The only other option this team will have is Han, as he continues his development. DO, a great game, although interestingly enough, his scoring stopped as Providence played him tougher on man to man defense. Very little from Mike Bell, who can not hit the open shot, nor create his own shot. Good leadership from hime will help as year goes on, but it may be better to reduce his minutes and give some younger guys some experience for the MAAC season. Did Reedal play?
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Champ, 08:11:44am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Your point #5 about Todd is dead on. He reverted into a selfish player at the end and he should have passed it. Penetrate, yes; but he should have kicked it out if we were on a 3 pointer streak.
Frankly I'm disappointed in Bell. From Day 1 he has had a great stroke... but he seems to play tentative and can't sink them at gametime. Must be a confidence issue since he appears wide open on many.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Rave, 08:25:30am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Reindeer fan, you are a little confused. The 40 footer at the end of the game was by MVS. That was an entertaining game that perhaps could have been won if we had MOS. My only criticism is that I think Reedal should be getting more minutes. He is 6'6'' and can shoot. He needs to get his feet wet because he is going to be a player for us. I also disagree with your assessment of Todd. With no inside game he and Ogelsby were the only ones going to the basket. That last charge called on him was ridiculous. That could have put us up with less than 2 minutes in the game. I now truly believe that those 3 goons (Big East Refs.) were not going to let a big east team lose to us. Hahn was the best player on the floor.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Champ, 08:37:26am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Fate is always against Fairfield. This was a tremendous effort wasted. Everything was set up for an upset..we had just lost by 30 so Providence was ready to mail this one in. THEN MOS gets hurt.. Why is it always something? The fans are constantly teased but get absolutely no satisfaction. We should been on the front page of the Sports section today folks.. had MOS or Max played.
Our highest priority has to be a natural center who isn't a project. Go after 25 of them for godsake, but land one. Our void has to be the ripest opportunity in the entire country if you're a big man.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- When the Stags Come Marching In.., 08:43:00am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
JS,
IMO,
MVS had a quiet 14 points. He seems capable of more aggressiveness. With Han's ball handling, penetration and passing skills, MVS will have many open shots. The offense went to the hoop early, working off high screens, until Providence adjusted.
Providence's high shooting percentage was result of penetration by guards and dishing off for layups. Providence must have nearly 20 layups.
DO was mainly shooting from the outside, although he did go stroong to the hoop on occassion. Worked hard for his shots, but also benefited from Han's assists.
Han seemed to have no problem with Curry's or anyone elses defense. although the team struggled when Providence pressed.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Frank F, 08:27:21am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Bell has shown little in his years at Fairfield. He does play aggressive defense but his shooting percentage is horrible and he cannot create his own shot.
In my view Todd did not force the action at the end. He is our 'go to' player and I thought he had a good game. Oglesby was exhausted in the final 10 minutes so Todd was the only real option.
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A few Questions -- JoeStag, 08:33:13am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Agree that MVS needs to shoot more, but did he look more aggressive in other parts of his game like dribbling and taking it to the hoop?????
On the radio, our defense was described as intense, but Providence still shot 63.8%. Was the problem is that we just could not stop Hanke, and the other big guy Hill?????
Sounded like Oglesby forced a few inside, but how was otherwise driving to the hoop and his ball handling?????
Was Oglesby's open on his 3 pointers, and did he get open by good movement or was it team passing or did Han create those opportunities????
How did Han handle the defensive pressure of 5-10 Curry??????
Great to see Oglesby have a great game, and MVS have the type of game he is capable of. I think that the St Joe's game was the anomoly, as I think this team has shown good passing, and team defense in the scrimmages and St Francis. Sounds like after Todd and Ogelsby had their great scoring stretches, it would have been great if they could have driven and passed out. While we did not win, I think that this game might have given the team some confidence that even with the current personnel they can win games. Han has had 3 good games, and agree he is a player.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Frank F, 09:44:40am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Agree that MVS needs to shoot more, but did he look more aggressive in other parts of his game like dribbling and taking it to the hoop????? HE PLAYED FINE
On the radio, our defense was described as intense, but Providence still shot 63.8%. Was the problem is that we just could not stop Hanke, and the other big guy Hill?????
THEY HAD LAYUPS ALL NIGHT -TOO BIG FOR US TO STOP
Sounded like Oglesby forced a few inside, but how was otherwise driving to the hoop and his ball handling?????
HE WAS BEST AT LONG RANGE SHOOTING
Was Oglesby's open on his 3 pointers, and did he get open by good movement or was it team passing or did Han create those opportunities???? COMBINATION OF GETTING OPEN AND HAN GETTING HIM THE BALL
How did Han handle the defensive pressure of 5-10 Curry?????? VERY WELL. FEW, IF ANY, TURNOVERS
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- campion109, 10:32:59am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
most are right on about the game last night. With the new configuration, it felt alot more intense than if we were to have the arena in the old configuration. On;y 3700 for PC is a bit disappointing but a whole lot better than the St Joes game. I fear that we may have lost a good portion of the students after the SJU game but, hopefully, I'll be proved wrong.
stags played very well all night, we were just undersized and PC hit a couple of BIG shots down the stretch. ogelsby was hitting shots and the offense as a whole was a bit more fluid than in the past. han, again, played wonderful. we have ourselves a great future in that kid.
not going to moan about ref'ing. Yeah there were some calls that were questionable (esp that continuation play) but, there are questionable calls in every game. hats off to PC, they won a heck of a game against a very inspired team.
agree that todd forced it a bit too much which is probably why TOT yanked him at the end of the game. As a senior, I think he should have looked for the open man first and then shot second but, what's done is done and we wouldn't have been in the game without him on the floor.
onward to iowa....
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- SonofDoc, 09:56:16am 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Regarding Todd, MVS, and Bell:
I thought Todd did not play smart that last 4 minutes: he clearly is the go to guy, but I think he panicked the last two or three possessions. His shots were rushed, I believe the second to last possession with about 1:30 to go, he took a baseline jumper in traffic that missed and only about 10 or 15 seconds came off the shot clock. Smarter, calmer play would have looked for a better shot. And why can't he ever seem to hit a big free throw? Same thing last year - two or three games he missed key free throws down the stretch.
I thought both Bell and MVS took good, smart shots. MVS's fell, Bell's didn't.
The things I was impressed with were good shot selection, good hustle, and aggressiveness. Looking at the boxscore, I was surprised we were beat on the boards so badly. But the fact the we had 13 offensive rebounds was impressive. Also, 13 steals on the night, taking advantage of some sloppy play by Providence.
Did you notice Hanke missed his first shot, then made his next 9? But he was pretty slow. What will Providence do in the Big East this year?
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- 79er, 12:42:45pm 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Bell was a huge disappointment last night. If Oglesby can maintain anything close to his production last night, Bell will probably have to come off the bench. Danny was the big story for me, and his defense was solid. If we look back at this as a breakout game for him then hopes can be much higher in the MAAAC.
We may start in January with Han, Todd, DO, Mamadou and Max.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Nashville Stag Fan, 04:45:50pm 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
JS, The reason Prov. hit 64% of their shots is we were aggressive, especially when the ball went in the paint. At times we would double and sometimes triple the ball, trying to slap it away, or at least mess up the timing of the offense. While many times successful, when it was not it led to passes to the weak side to wide open players, (particularly Hanke). For the most part this was a plus for us, but it was indeed a tough price to play when the Friars kept their composure and made the proper passes.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- DOC, 04:57:49pm 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
I agree with most of the comments made above.The Big East refs made some critical calls against us, and hurt us badly on the calls. Oglesby finally had his breakout game, and is a pure shooter, and made most of his shots on his own, and has great range. He was repeatedly fouled on his drives, and the refs failed to give us the fouls. Han is a great point guard, does not turn the ball over, and can really excel at that position. Our lack of the inside game is appaling, and Middleton is a very mediocre player and will perpetually be a project. We will lose many a game with our limited inside play.We need to recruit two more big men for next year, who can come and play immediately, and hopefully experiencedJUCO's.The team played their hearts out,and deserved a victory. The student support was abysmal, and their support could have made the difference. I am disappointd in Bell. He should be our leader,and not is not performing. I noticed that the majority of his shots, hit the front of the rim and thus were short. I like Todd a lot, but as mentioned above, played poorly and perhaps selfishly at the end. However I have confidence in him and believe he will win us some games.The team played with great spirit and abandon, and deserves our full backing. Hopefully the red sea will become a factor and student support will improve.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Nashville Stag Fan, 06:47:29pm 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Because of Jon Han being just a freshman on the team, any strong big inside player would be foolish not to consider coming to Fairfield (at least as far as basketball is concerned), because when open he would get him the ball! I'm sure this is a point that will be emphasised in recruiting. Indeed success in this area could lead to some very good squads for the next two or three years.
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Re: Thoughts On The Prov Game -- Frank F, 07:05:59pm 11/29/05 Tue, [1]
Interesting point- makes sense
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