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Subject: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
~_~
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Date Posted: 16:04:08 09/01/04 Wed
 Last year only one team would like to work in SU but we have NONE this year?? Why is it like that?? What's wrong??
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[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
se7en
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Date Posted: 16:18:34 09/01/04 Wed
this year 50th anniversary , without su then.....
[> [> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
少俠
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Date Posted: 16:28:19 09/01/04 Wed
沒有學生會，那會怎樣？
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
~_~
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Date Posted: 17:26:25 09/01/04 Wed
if no SU
the normal stuff will be handle by the monitor association...ho chi hai gam
[> Subject: Re: 不應把責任全推給學生


Author:
六魂
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Date Posted: 17:38:25 09/01/04 Wed
或許有些人會認為，沒有人願意參選學生會，是同學的質素有問題。也許他們會認為同學自私、怕承擔、沒有才幹。]

但是，作為一間有質素的學校(詳閱QIA的報告)，全級二百多人之中，難道也沒有一個願意出來參選嗎？

不問「政事」，並非香港新一代的普遍現象。一般學校每年也有最少兩隊學生會參選隊伍，某校甚至有八隊學生會參選團隊之多。反觀聖芳濟，首三屆的選舉均有兩隊參選，而且選情激烈，宣傳活動成為一時佳話。可是到了第四屆，只出現一隊參選隊伍，據悉這一隊的成員更是在極困難的情況下「湊合」而成的。今年的情況未確實，若樓主所言屬實，應該比去年更壞。

除學生會外，社和學會的情況也「不諻多讓」。究意是什麼原因，造成聖芳濟學生的「政治冷感」呢？容許我在此總結一下我分析出來的原因：

1.近年不少消息，如中六「拔尖」計劃超額收生，大學學位的減少等等，令同學意識到公開試成績的重要性，因而放棄參與課外活動。

2.不少師兄表示，自己因為沉迷參與課外活動而影響學業，後悔不已，奉勸師弟們不要步其後塵。

3.學校沒有鼓勵同學參與課外活動，令同學不投入參與，也影響了籌辦同學的熱誠。

4.學會太多，一方面分散了資源，二方面令部份同學「被迫」籌辦學會活動，三方面令部份同學身兼多職。

5.學生會和學會都有所謂的「傳統」，很多學會幹事傾向維持傳統，使學會活動變得沉悶。

6.學生會給一些同學「保皇」的形象，或是讓人覺得是沒有實權、只能協助老師的「二打六」組織。

7.過往參選學生會的同學，常有「打官腔」的情況，令人反感。

8.最後一點，也許是最重要的一點，是同學們不認識自己的能力，覺得自己不能擔當「學生會會長」一職，因而不主動組織參選內閣。另一方面，他們覺得宣傳的工作艱巨，落選不但丟臉，更損失了很多時間和精力。

總結以上各點，也許問題是多年來的「積患」，我們實在不應將責任全推到學生身上。要解決問題，也許需要更完善的制度，當然，更需要前輩的鼓勵和培育。
[> [> Subject: Re: 不應把責任全推給學生


Author:
6A小人物
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Date Posted: 00:46:49 09/04/04 Sat
本人絕對不同意呢位六魂gei講法

首先我唔明白點解佢會咁講,可能你只不過係一位低from的學生,竟然你講出→『除學生會外，社和學會的情況也「不諻多讓」。究意是什麼原因，造成聖芳濟學生的「政治冷感」呢？』
本年度四個社除左毅社得十九位中六同學之外,其他社都有二十多位的同學,而溫,良,剛三個社都分別有人競爭社長之一職。溫社更加由三位競爭者講出自己gei政綱,怎樣才能令到溫社重拾冠軍,唔通呢d都好做大家冇興趣去做野咩??

再者,本人都是本年度其中一個學會gei會長,我都仍然在尋找內閣中,每位同學,可以話係每位會長都在尋找內閣,唔通大家都唔想做嗎??可能大家都想搵一d可以同自己合拍gei內閣,所以先遲遲都未能交到名單到負責老師手上。

再講下,本人已係本校讀了六年,因為repeat了一年,學校內大約三十多個學會,我當然冇可能個個都參加過,難道我冇參加過童軍,我本年可以即刻做內閣嗎??又或者我是一個文科生,我又可以做科學學會的內閣嗎??大家都知道係冇可能的。一個學會最小都要有一個chairman加三個內閣,即是四人,4*3x=12x至13x人,中六學生只有九十多位同學,你又認為每人都可以同擔當兩個職位而又可以同時顧及到成績嗎??

跟住你所講gei第3點「學校沒有鼓勵同學參與課外活動，令同學不投入參與，也影響了籌辦同學的熱誠。」
如果你是一位中六或中七生,你一定會知道學校每年都會搞一個中六訓練營,學校一定有鼓勵同學參與課外活動,最緊要係唔好只顧學會而不理成績,所以我覺得你所講gei好不負責任。

第4點『學會太多，一方面分散了資源，二方面令部份同學「被迫」籌辦學會活動，三方面令部份同學身兼多職。』
何謂分散資源??每個學會都係自負盈虧的,多會員自然多資金,冇可能你得五百蚊,你去買一個六百蚊gei野番黎架嘛。你所講gei被迫,又有幾多人係被迫呢??如果你對果個學會一d興趣都冇,你根本連考慮都唔會,更何況我地中六學生係做內閣呢??如果完全冇興趣,我地根本就唔會參加。

學生會的真實情況現在又有幾多人知呢??佢地gei運作係點你又知幾多呢??聽一半作一半,你都真係幾好野
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 不應把責任全推給學生


Author:
六魂
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Date Posted: 21:31:48 09/05/04 Sun
致6A小人物：

一、本人乃你的師兄，去屆的中六同學

二、本人曾任學生會內閣，熟悉學生會運作，亦曾任多個學會之幹事、會長，積極參與課外活動

三、本人之意見乃反映我的所見所聞，並非金科玉律，請恕在下不知者不罪

四、年輕人一腔熱血不足為奇，但切記不要被你的所謂「正義感」所累

五、希望你能好好辦好你的學會，也好好兼顧你的學業，否則你現在所說的只會是一堆廢話

六、最後告訴你，你猜不出「六魂」一名的意思，也許你在心思上還需鍛鍊
[> Subject: 少許回應


Author:
好仁 ( 從學生會角度 )
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Date Posted: 19:19:40 09/01/04 Wed
首先，沒有學生會的情況，是學校前所未有的。現在距離學生會提名截止期尚有數天，因此不能妄下定論。

我暫時可以告訴大家的是，假若本年度學生會職務無人問津，經學生會會議全體幹事和顧問老師一致達成的共識是，所有學生會工作及服務將全數停辦。學生會所有的服務，如房間借用，將由校方決定是否保留。至於成立班長會與否，一切尚是未知之數，連我自己亦不清楚，蓋因這討論範圍已超出學生會之職權。現階段可以說的是，無論校方會否成立一個類似學生會的組織，所能提供的服務絕對比學生會少，而且此組織無義務對同學的投訴和意見作任何回應，更莫說為同學爭取甚麼。
[> [> Subject: Re: 放心啦


Author:
老兵
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Date Posted: 21:01:20 09/01/04 Wed
到時如果SU或有社無人問津,妖廣智(Mr,Iu)出馬屈都一定屈到人做. 唔駛怕.

不過做得學生會會長就預左一星期開會做官僚文件和雜務做足五天. 一星期有日半讀書已經很好. 而且開會九成是浪費時間的.
[> Subject: 再講兩句


Author:
好仁 ( 以朋友身份 )
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Date Posted: 21:04:36 09/01/04 Wed
請大家不要介意以下文字以口語寫成

問：「你覺得學生會係點gar?」
答: 「唔知呀，好似無乜做過野。」

再問：「咁你做唔做學生會ar?」
答：「唔啦~ 咁鬼多野做。」

相信以上的對答內容，大家多多少少都有點共鳴。說實在，即使小弟當選之前，對學生會的印象亦離不開『學生會有很多工作，但成效沒有人清楚知道』。再問大家一個問題，

「你地有無鬧過你地既會長、社長唔做野？又或者做埋d 垃圾野ar?」

就我個人所見，社和學會不需要承受太大的輿論壓力，但學生會則每步皆是全校焦點。試想想，面對如此的情況，有人願意接受嗎？

學生會所遇到的問題，六魂已經重點式地提及了，故不再重覆。現從實際狀況和大家分享。

「做學生會有甚麼特別好的地方呀？」

我想這是一個挺關鍵的問題，然而，我到現在也想不到有甚麼特別的地方可以做賣點去吸引接班人。即使當中確有所差別，但如果再計算擔當學生會的付出，彷彿那微弱的優勢已不是優勢。

礙於尚未卸任，故不能再寫太多，容我放下學生會的身份後再分享吧！
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
今年7b人
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Date Posted: 23:11:31 09/01/04 Wed
舊年學會同社都好多人想做呀
社更是在5分鐘內選晒
所以不同意六魂兄所講"無人做"
當然,今年的情況,我實在不知

至於妄自菲薄一點
小弟雖然只是學會幹事
但已經為每只例會及各比賽,忙得不得了
何況是su會長?
每人工作效率不同,好難將自己一套加在別人身上
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
夏銘賢
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Date Posted: 11:14:42 09/02/04 Thu
Student Union
What is Student Union?
Two weeks ago, I heard that no one wanted to be a new president of SU. I did not feel surprise on this news. As I had been one of the members of SU before, I feel there are several points that made people feel confusing of being SU leaders.
1) They may think there are heavy workloads especially on administration.
2) Many people don’t know what is SU, even don’t know why do we have SU
3) The work of SU will affect students’ academic result as well as friendship.
These were the reflection of my dearest friends when I told my decision to be the leader in SU.
However, in reality, I don’t think so.
I gain a lot through participating in different work especially the negotiation skills with SU advisors, the promotion of different activities and administrative work. For me, as a business student, it is very important to do so. I become more mature on dealing with it. Even my presentation skill becomes better and better. Because of the preparation of SU and working in SU, I gain an invaluable friendship. We, Victory (the name that we used in SU election), still have many gathering and all of us are cherishing the experience of being a SU and working together. I must agree working in SU will be a bit harsh. You need to spend extra 2-3 hours to do SU work but if you treat it as a learning task, you will gain a lot. Therefore, if you know how to control the time on studying, I must ensure your academic performance will not be affected.

I am not going to urge anyone to join SU. I must say it is a difficult task but not an impossible task. I agree that the internal system of SU has serious problems that bring the authority and flexibility become limited (but I do not want to comment this point as it relates to SFXC culture).
Moreover, I must say it is difficult to have different activities since there are not so many people to support SU activities. Although I find there are many problems in our SU, I still think it is important to have this organization in school. We are very lucky that we have SU. There are many schools cannot have Student Organization because they do not trust their students will act rationally and work properly. SU likes a farm. We need to cultivate it! As a bridge, as a channel to communicate with school, as a road to upgrade our culture, these are the work I think that SU needs to do. Maybe it is too ideal but it is what I hope I can see in SU in future.

I treat SU as a child. He is now 4 years old. He needs time to grow up but at the stage of growing, he needs people to criticize on his work and even need someone to guide him.


不要問濟記能為你做什麼，要問你能為濟記做什麼
[> [> Subject: Re: 這句話....


Author:
其實
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Date Posted: 12:40:05 09/02/04 Thu
"不要問濟記能為你做什麼，要問你能為濟記做什麼"

這說話很明顯是抄自甘迺迪於62年的說話. 但有人似乎隨意濫用此話. 因為當年的情況與現今濟記絕對不同. 當年美國正值古巴導彈危機, 兼且美蘇隨時爆發核戰,舉國人心惶惶. 不少人恐怕明日核戰造成家破人亡. 甘迺迪此話是為了安撫民心. 現在濟記根本就不是此回事.

而且為濟記貢獻當然可以, 但也不是奉旨的. 因為我們是一個學生, 職責是讀書學習. 要非為濟記貢獻.

"Therefore, if you ARE GOOD ON TIME MANAGEMENT, I ensure your academic performance will not be affected."

我不敢說沒有人不可以, 但根據以往經驗, 濟記學生大部份也很難做到. 只要看看今年中六的RE-EXAM名單, 大部份同學也要RE-EXAM,什至re-exam後仍不過關的還大有人在. 當中除了SU人外, 更有課外活動和社的活躍搞手. 我已沒提到只是成績退步之輩.

當然我不是叫同學死讀書, 但大家要明白課外活動要搞, 但一定要把超過八成時間放在讀書上. 課外活動只可當為閒時娛樂的一途徑. 無錯, 課外活動是一種學習, 但絕不可在老師壓力下要求太高和浪費太多時間. 因為AL的WORKLOAD和部署是要十分長遠的. 特別是會考分數不太高的同學. 而且同學又不是出糧受僱搞活動的.

至於課外活動對入大學有利, 我可寫包單,除了個別學科如社工系外, 其他可謂是99.5% 無用的. 因為人家主要是看會考和AL成績. 即使看, 也寧願看一下您自己寫的自薦信.

至於自薦入大學計劃, 對不起, 這只適用於港隊運動員或代表香港出賽兼獲獎的著名合唱團,樂隊或運動員.
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
Ha Ming Yin
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Date Posted: 16:24:22 09/02/04 Thu
I feel sorry that the last sentence of my last posting made you feel I am exaggerating the situation of our school. Maybe I am a pragmatical guy. My purpose to leave this message in here is that because I want everyone to understand more about SU. In fact, SU is not so bad as what others say. When I was working in SU, I can learn a lot of things. I totally agree that ECA is not so important in JUPAS but I think it is important for me. This is my own feeling. I am not going to force everyone to join SU as I know that not everyone love this school. However, I think our school should have a student organization like this. We should have more communication channel in our school. SU can act like a bridge to do so.
WE need SU.
[> [> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
King Fai
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Date Posted: 20:44:55 09/02/04 Thu
Seems like I haven’t left any messages here for years, ha! Sorry for that. Reading the past few messages, I do have many thoughts in mind. And as an ex president, I do wanna put down how I think about the different aspects here. And may I just follow the comments of 六魂,.

1. 近年不少消息，如中六「拔尖」計劃超額收生，大學學位的減少等等，令同學意識到公開試成績的重要性，因而放棄參與課外活動。

You are absolutely right. As I mentioned in the F.6 Leadership Training Camp sharing session, what the universities in HK concern is mainly your academic results. No matter you are the president of SU, house captain or whatever, what they consider most is how many As you got in AL and CE. Let me give you an example of how hard it is to get enrolled into a good program:
HKU BBA (law) double degree program:
Seats provided: 50, this include
20 Early Admission Scheme students
10 other non-JUPAS students
20 JUPAS students (2As 1B or above would be considered)

不少師兄表示，自己因為沉迷參與課外活動而影響學業，後悔不已，奉勸師弟們不要步其後塵。

It depends actually on the one taking up the posts. Someone will fail in every subject and get a terrible exam result while someone can manage to strike a balance very well. If you think that you are a good time manager, then don’t hesitate to try. May I put down here that all the members of Victory (our team name during the SU election the year before) didn’t need to take re-exam at the end of F.6. It’s true that you need put to many of ur personal time into it, but it doesn’t mean that you won’t have time to study. Of cuz if you still use ur time to play…to fool around, you would fail for sure. It really really depends on you.


3.學校沒有鼓勵同學參與課外活動，令同學不投入參與，也影響了籌辦同學的熱誠。

I’m afraid that I can’t agree with this point. I remember that I was a shy little boy while I was in F.1 and F.2. But my form teachers and other advisors kept on encouraging me to try different posts…activities. So I worked, from a little Chinese subject monitor to a SU president. This is what everyone can do with no exceptions. F.6 pals, remember what was the message conveyed to you on the training camp? The message is more or less like, study hard and play hard. If you have the ability, pls devote more to ECA, cuz u can gain a lot from them.

I don’t understand why actually. People in other so-called famous schools (forgive my discriminatory comment) wanna stand up for those posts all the time while having no advices from teacher advisors. They might not really hold something good, but at least they stand up for the posts…….Be brave, my fellow Xaverians!


4.學會太多，一方面分散了資源，二方面令部份同學「被迫」籌辦學會活動，三方面令部份同學身兼多職。

It’s true that there are many clubs and societies in our school. The reason is simple enough to understand, to satisfy the different interests and demands of students. But may I say that there is nothing wrong to have many posts in hand at one time? Let me give an example here, I have a friend in St. Paul Convent, here is her posts in school in this new academic year:
1. Ranger's Chair (girl guide)
2. Chinese Society's Sec
3. Music Society's Vice
4. EPA's Vice

I’m not telling you to sign up the posts and do nothing, but I wanan say that its possible for one single person to handle man different things at one time. Besides, F.4 can also take a leading role in the student activities, right?

to be continued...
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Author:
King Fai
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Date Posted: 20:46:16 09/02/04 Thu
5.學生會和學會都有所謂的「傳統」，很多學會幹事傾向維持傳統，使學會活動變得沉悶。
Frankly speaking, the clubs and societies in our school don’t really have many traditions that you have to keep. The transition thing done every year isn’t that good! Ha~ So you might probably have to do everything from the beginning again when you take up your posts… I don’t dare to comment other clubs, but its like that for SU….improvements are taking place of cuz.


6.學生會給一些同學「保皇」的形象，或是讓人覺得是沒有實權、只能協助老師的「二打六」組織。
I agree with you actually! Ha!!! I can now speak freely what I thought as I have no posts now^^ As mentioned by Ha Ming Yin, the SU in our school is only a little kid of 4 years old. He is immature, dependent on his parents. He can’t make any decision which opposes the idea of his parents but sometimes his parents will give him some rooms to play. Ha~ I love this analog. I understand why people have such comments as its really like this! But I wanna point out that, how can you expect a little kid, of only four years old to make his decision independently? This little kid doesn’t even have his birth certificate (constitution), he can do nothing!!!!! A kid with no ID, poor…. >.

7.過往參選學生會的同學，常有「打官腔」的情況，令人反感。
You are right too!!! I was also like this when I was the president. Thinking back, the way I speak really make me disgust ga` heeee~ But really, you have to act in the way that you should be… I mean to act like a president. Its not easy to be middleman, you know. For public announcement, we really have to make it formal, of cuz I don’t mean those promotion of activities. I think the main reason that make u feel uncomfortable about those speeches is that you don’t really like our stance from our speeches….it seems like we are really like those politic people. I can give u a reason of why, it’s because we were “kids”!!!! remember that we are only 4 years old kid under the control of our parents? Of cuz, if the one is good enough, he should be presenting formal speeches in a casual way, but unfortunately that I couldn’t make it make you have such feeling….>.<”!


I remember that someone asked me if I were disappointed about my AL result…..that made be unable to enter the faculty/program I want. Of cuz the answer is yes. Then somebody asked me if I regret doing the SU president as it took so much of my time. And my answer is NO.

I don’t regret because I’ve gained more than I lost.
I don’t regret because I really did contribute a little in raising up the kid we called SU.
I don’t regret because I did something for my beloved school, SFXC.

If you can really manage your time well and has the ability to raise up this poor little child, pls take up the post. If you want only to have the name as a president and do nothing, pls, for the own sake of SFXC, don’t do it.

Finally, I just wanna leave a question to you.
How will a 4 year-old boy be like if he is neglected for 1 year? Will he forget everything we have done for the past days and nights? Do we have to teach him all the thing, from the beginning after 1year? Or worst of all, will he leave us…
[> Subject: 認真反思，慎重考慮！


Author:
遙遠的他
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Date Posted: 21:28:59 09/02/04 Thu
作為預科生，最終目標必然是考進大學，這是無可置疑的。

擔任課外活動職務（以認真投入作準！），從中所獲得的寶貴經驗，實非一般課程所能提供，而且對個人成長的幫助，試問誰人敢不作認同！？

既然兩者皆重要，同學是否可以嘗試好好分配時間呢？投放於學業與活動的時間之比，能否是8:2、7:3、6:4呢？

再者，學業成績差的同學，是否大都因為「搞活動」而導致呢？這方面真是值得討論。誠邀那些自己成績不佳，歸因於「搞活動」的人出來作証，也好讓師弟真的知所警覺吧！

勸勉那些對籌辦課外活動充滿熱誠的預科生，切記自己升讀預科的使命-----考獲大學學位，故必須安排時間好好溫習。

提醒那些捨棄職務的同學們，請好好利用你「空餘」的時間，真的放在溫書方面，而不是白白浪費了，因為你已不能再以「搞活動」影響了你為藉口了！

同學，我們需要的是事實的真相，而不是胡亂猜想，妄下判斷或歸因。
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


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sfx
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Date Posted: 23:24:45 09/02/04 Thu
>>If you think that you are a good time manager, then don’t hesitate to try(by king fai)

but i wanna ask once you try, you cannot get rid of it!! If you once make decision to work in SU and you later find it spend you too much time and you regret, you can do nothing!!
Also about the point of independence, have the previous SU ever tried to get something from the school? Are the committed in SU DARE to ask for something? Or they just think it is just simply meaningless to do that just because the teachers are too conservative? I afraid this is the reason why Mr.Kung left our school.
[> [> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


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sfx
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Date Posted: 00:22:10 09/03/04 Fri
one more addtional is that King Fai always claims that SU is only 4 years old but for that 4 years, there are different people work in it. So I will say young is nothing relate to it's independence or the matter of making decision.
[> [> [> Subject: Point of clarification


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King Fai
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Date Posted: 10:37:15 09/03/04 Fri
Sorry that I don't quite understand this point. Yes, there are different people running SU in these 4 years, but wat's the difference? Are you meaning that the transition things done is not good so students need to do all the thigns again each year? If you are asking this, then I would say YES. Yet improvements are taking place as we are trying to improve the system (which did not really exist before) of transition now. Your dear president and me sometimes do talk about that problem actually and I believe that he will do this a lot better than me^^
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
W-InD(97~04 SFXC)
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Date Posted: 00:19:45 09/03/04 Fri
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[> Subject: my opinon on a school without SU


Author:
好仁
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Date Posted: 00:34:30 09/03/04 Fri
"Also about the point of independence, have the previous SU ever tried to get something from the school? Are the committee in SU DARE to ask for something? Or they just think it is just simply meaningless to do that just because the teachers are too conservative?"

In fact, we had several great debates between the committee and the teacher advisors.The topics included the election system, the way to co-operate with other student organizations and the financial support from the school.

I cannot agree that our teachers are conservative ones, I can only say that our school tends to resist changes especially when the idea is proposed by students.

For the analog, I have a deep feeling about it.I admit it is rude to stop a chlid to grow for a year, but is it a necessary to do so? A large proportion of our schoolmates do not know what SU is and some of them even treat SU as an unimportant organization. If SU is being dismissed in this year, the whole school will experience the life without SU. Perhaps they will think carefully whether they need a SU in the future after this year.

I understand it is really a crisis for a school without the leading student organization, but if we want to make the teachers and students to understand what SU is and how important it is, we need to bear the risk.

Maybe the school will then give a great support to SU and give a "real" and "useful" constitution to the Student Union, the students will also change their minds on SU, hopefully the stiuation now we face will no longer happen again.
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
Not in HK
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Date Posted: 20:19:11 09/03/04 Fri
Just make a few words.
Before 1995 there was no any kind of student union or society or prefect in school. Still, everything was just fine. So what I think SU is doing is what I call "extra benefit" to every student and school. But ofcourse, if SU is not running in this year, all the daily rotine will just pass to our heavy work loaded teacher.
[> [> Subject: Re: 仲有.....merit已經引誘唔到人去做su架啦....


Author:
好仁
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Date Posted: 00:49:29 09/04/04 Sat
Just for a referfence.

今年學生會正、副主席的成績表上莫說是小功，連一個優點也沒有。 講完。
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
PERSON
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Date Posted: 23:47:44 09/03/04 Fri
我突然間諗到一樣野....
既然而家有d學會既工作(球類學恉就係一個好例子)簡直可以叫冇既話.....可唔可以先停辦一年，然後佢地著手搞今年su and 50周年呢？我諗咁樣係可行，同埋係唯一既方法！
而家班學會幹事話有野做其實就係自己玩，就係呢個原因，搞到有reason話自己考試差，so?咁都過到骨@"@?咪fick人啦！叫有野做既話，su係做得最多野！
再諗多一樣野，每個學會，有邊次活動(唔計同su合辦)係可以搞得好成功既？有邊個活動既regular meeting到年尾仲可以keep住開頭個陣既8成人數？知道答案之後，就知點解sfxc既學會活動搞得咁差！

好.到我suggest
學會方面，今年大減學會數目，廢除冇用學會，重新manage學會system，重新分配資源！為左今年50周年......恨d都要架啦...
su方面，將廢左學會既「有用」幹事，編入「『50周年』su」，記住，just only for今年....佢地下年一定唔會再玩.....再加咁樣既配搭：廢左既幹事 x 數名有power既阿sir、miss x experienced低form，需知道咁樣已經係最好既...su冇左唔得....尤其今年50周年....
我仲有一個天馬行空想法.....
留番個學會殼係度，裡面既人全部清空....一律幫手50周年...(再過一年唔可以咁講，一定！)i mean得番學會個名.....

仲有.....merit已經引誘唔到人去做su架啦....
[> [> Subject: ugly!


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King Fai
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Date Posted: 01:02:56 09/04/04 Sat
I suddenly think of one thing.... we celebrate our 50th Anniversary with no Student Union... is it kinda strange? What will others think? ha~~ though it might not be a reason for the school to "create" a SU of its own, but its really strange to have no SU in such a big celebrational year...... ho ugly ar...
[> [> [> Subject: Re: ugly!


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Date Posted: 01:06:12 09/04/04 Sat
but it seems that we have a organization that is responsible for 50th anniversary...
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


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路人一名
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Date Posted: 01:14:06 09/04/04 Sat
看到大家對這個題目發表了不少見解，突然有感而發，終於忍不住要在這裡 post 一段我的感受。

不知道大家還記得 Student Union 的前身是什麼組織呢？對呀，就是 Prefect Association。當我成為中六生時，承蒙校方及同學的信任，有幸成為一份子。回想當年，我真的覺得成為一名 Prefect，成為一名學生組織的幹事令我成長不少，也累積了不少寶貴經驗。

參與學生組織，不論是學生會、社或是一個學會，成為當中一名幹事。我相信這能帶給你一個良好的學習機會 - 學習如何詳細計劃、學習如何隨機應變、磨練自己待人接物的技巧、磨練自己有在眾人面前仍能好好表達自己的膽識。這些東西，你並未能從日常書本及課堂學習中得到，但卻是你未來能立足社會的必要知識。縱使你是學富五車，但沒有充足人生經驗、不懂人情世故；最終你可能只會鬱鬱不得志。

有人可能會問：我積極參與學生組織，到頭來令自己學業成績稍遜，這也不是使自己未能盡展所長，一事無成？我反會從另一方面來看 - 這不是一個好機會讓你學習如何分配自己的時間嗎？將來大家在社會上都會是這樣的了 - 不會所有環境因素都會好好配合自己的，哪有針是兩頭利？現在連如何好好自己分配時間的能力也沒有，試問你將來如何能奢求成功呢？

大家可能覺得我只是說得動聽，並非可行，但這是我個人經驗之談。當年我還不是這樣麼，又參加 Prefect，又做學會幹事，又繼續參加童軍，還協辦聯校宿營；到頭來 re-exam 也不用，A-Level 自問也考得不錯。只要好好計劃自己如何好好使用時間，誰說不能學業課外活動同兼顧？

分享了這麼多，只是希望大家能細心想清楚，看看自己能付出多少。可以付出多些的同學便多參加，未能付出太多的同學也嘗試參與一兩項。只要能量力而為，好好平衡學業與課外活動，我深信你必獲益良多，千萬不要錯過學習的機會 ^-^
[> [> Subject: Re: 有幾點值得注意


Author:
手非長
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Date Posted: 03:19:44 09/04/04 Sat
"有人可能會問：我積極參與學生組織，到頭來令自己學業成績稍遜，這也不是使自己未能盡展所長，一事無成？我反會從另一方面來看 - 這不是一個好機會讓你學習如何分配自己的時間嗎？將來大家在社會上都會是這樣的了 - 不會所有環境因素都會好好配合自己的，哪有針是兩頭利？現在連如何好好自己分配時間的能力也沒有，試問你將來如何能奢求成功呢？"

這點我可有點意見, 問題是我們沒叫過師弟唔好搞課外活動. 只要一定要三思和量力而為, 最忌就是亂揹postS,到發覺兼顧不下時已經沒有放底的餘地. 而且周身刀未必張張利. 有時課外活動或學會辦得不好有時是因為不少幹事身兼多職, 應付不下所致.

而且我對藉中六學習分配時間一點也有點意見, 問題是如果兼顧得到而成功的當然是好. 但失敗了呢? 當然有人會說這正好從失敗獲得教訓,是學習一部份. 但代價呢.......到自己發覺的時候(中六final exam時),已經白白遺失了一年的學習時間. 而AL是要讀年半的, 唔係半年多. 到時莫講追番成績,就算守得住AL唔好比會考差兩個grade已不易.
到時代價很可能是要斷送入大學機會或要走一條比本來困苦得多的路. 請問這代價對於學會"好好自己分配時間的能力,將來如何能奢求成功" 這東西來說是否值得呢?

而且學懂好好分配時間這點在大學可謂唔憂冇得學, 因為大家在學業外兼顧的除了"莊" and hall function 外, 更包括返兼職和幫人補習的時間等等,,,,,到時學也來得及, 而且即使衰了最多下年或下學期re-take 一,兩科, 辛苦些少. 但如果AL或CE衰了? 所負的代價絕不是講笑.

當然有人可以說, 用入到大學或會考成功與否來批判學生前途和將來太狹窄了, 因為人在社會有很多不同的機會, 不止是大學生先可以成功. 這正好是磨練. 而且進修有很多渠道既. 中六咁大個分配時間都做唔到配咩做大學生和成功呀. 對於這些"另類意見", 我只可以沉默來回應. 而且希望他們在說這些論點時要考慮社會上大部份人, 而非個別的成功例子. 當然還有當中額外附出的辛酸.


而且曾經努力搞過課外活動絕不說明自己一定比其他人優勝, 最少我在大學看過一些濟記仔搞function時遭到連講稿都讀唔熟.更唔講其他.

近日有不少可以學業和課外活動兼顧的前輩出來話當年, 這些做法沒有不對. 但要明白畢竟自己已是順利一次過關的過來人, 但師弟們卻不是. 而且以前因為搞社,學生會和學會課外活動而在AL或其他考試敗筆的濟記人, 不論最終成功與否, 至今也沒有人出來叫師弟放膽去試搞各種課外活動. 可知現實的代價是殘酷和不足為外人道!!!


此外,我反而覺得聖芳濟應是以學生前途和利益為本, 而非外人對濟記的眼光或人家點睇濟記為本. 所以我絕不認同什麼"為左50周年和SU, 犧牲學會都要架喇", 問題是全校學生的活動和利益一定比保存學生會和50周年重要! 當年40周年時也是沒有學生會, 而Prefect也是剛成立了一年, 又唔好見當年Open Day外人話聖芳濟Unpresentable? 這是否與一些人的邏輯有所出入?

而且即使是要空前盛況和高調地慶祝50周年這方向, 本身已經有問題. 問題是通常做得比以前好什至大有進步, 國泰民安, 成績躍進先至會高調地大事慶祝, 國家如是, 學校如是. 但現在的濟記,,,,,,無論是學習風氣,學業成績, 語文水平, 學生的品行,責任感, 濟記傳統的維繫運動成績和課外活動表現等. 不拿八九十年代來比, 即使與45周年等的幾年前比也遜色不少.

當然有馬屁精會說搞好50周年可以提高士氣和好好沖喜一下,一洗前科, 踏進新紀元.而且學校表現退步就可以唔重視50周年既咩. 但..........

問心果句,試問現今是值得花大量時間人力慶祝,還是值得醒過來,急切地解救上面的問題呢?
[> Subject: 愚見


Author:
食人族酋長
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Date Posted: 01:51:27 09/04/04 Sat
濟記學生組織墜落、萎靡的現象在近幾年甚為嚴重，不少學會領導層更是臨時拉夫，多為個post而做，全然不知自己是個什麼組織，要做什麼，更談不上有所作為。眼前所見，現在各學會之課外活動在數量上和質量上已大不如前。可能是同學們的責任心不足，不夠踏實，而最重要的是學生組織在承傳上出現問題，需知道一個學會是長期的事業，學會的表現更是長時間累積下來，一些已往曾風光一時的學會現在境況慘淡。因此，培養接班人對學會的延續十分重要，讓師弟能累積經驗，但此事往往被忽略，可能是師兄們對我們充滿信心。這一點希望各大學生組織e.g.學生會、社、學會能多加注意，這樣學生組織定能有穩定的發展！
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
gut
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Date Posted: 00:37:22 09/05/04 Sun
There was no SU during my time...so I don't know how important SU is to current students/teachers...

But for a club to be sustainable, it is important to have a culture of 薪火相傳. This means that the current committee should not only try to organize activities for their members, but they should also culture potential members for the committee next year. Involving "next generation" in decision making or implementation is usually a good way to build up a sense of belongings to the club. This cannot be done in 1 day - it is often too late to rely on the orientation day. We should develop a culture that the "next generation" feels honour, rather than being forced, to become the committee

I was in charge of a house at my time... the above worked because there were many opportunities to work closely with lower form students. We built up trustful relationship when we encouraged each other during inter-house competition. I am not sure if this will work in SU...but I hope you will find my past experience useful...
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


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FLY
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Date Posted: 10:47:10 09/05/04 Sun
I am not sure if i should post the message here or above~
As i know, some f.6 would like to be SU, however, the workload is too horrible(only countable student can stike a balance between study and work). Especially this year SU must help the school to organize the 50th anniversary...
The workload is definetely "unforseenable"!!!
I beleive almost all of us love our school, i even have the impulse to be SU. However, i can't even take care of myself well, being a responsible SU member will even harder... This is the way that most f.6 think...
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
繚佷
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Date Posted: 18:05:08 09/05/04 Sun
む爛れ翌蜊瞎SUㄛ苤萊砫衄倷〣c﹝

Prefect Association蜊瞎SU曀躂虮а戊Prefect 都"窪醱"奪燴W汜窏唗ㄛ珨陔瞎傖W汜腔諳忕ㄛ傖W汜鷂橾嶲腔禳

政婓ㄛSU 腔傖蕾醴腔淩腔筸祫賸ㄛ祥蚚幼"窪醱"ㄛ翋薯假齬W汜腦瞳﹝筍扂祥怮隴啞W汜庲W汜硐酕"苤岈"ㄛ酕橾"變虯"ㄛ觳睡婓?~酕橾腔變虯曀譯暱W汜腔腦瞳ㄛ衱麼岆W苺腔岈掁禺y耋猁W苺綅釬帥劦珨薯創?誸旁做鼯飲挲綎ㄛW苺衄陑衄薯腔橾祥嗣ㄛ猁W苺腔汜魂嗣訬嗣粒ㄛW汜腔褒伎衄珨隅腔笭猁俶ㄛ:癖悊巖忙盼\ㄛ珩偝斕桉笢腔苤ㄛ筍淩腔祥褫麼Q﹝

祫黺肮W紒腕れSU 恟契鞶皇堅WIㄛ稷江奿埬簀漶婓森ㄛ扂硐砑挲SU褫眕佽議扙Lㄛ衄翍淏醱邳ㄛ扂缶珖爛芘旯跪魂茛盆謗鵊鳪y眕咭!~辣醽佶壧倗麾皇倞衕鯓禷悈炬閡滓鶜皇倞觚皒鷛衛瘞l桯ㄛ鍔赻撩疆腕芵祥綎滹皆煜硤馺苤ㄧ黰r硉罠祥肮ㄛ祥褫眕咥赻樓赻撩腔r硉罠黺e侂篽洁蝜紒腕衄r硉ㄛ匡UPAS"99.5%o蚚腔"衱衄睡!?~蝜紒腕or硉ㄛ百湮髡岆圉cㄛ衱衄睡祔?!~

むㄛW汜珨爛掏fㄛ湮褫瞎霹淉ㄛ蚕侐扦扦墿傖蕾珨霹r瞎ㄛれ鋤厥W汜郔價掛腔馱釬﹝(爛傖蕾ヶ眒婌蕉]善追桯善踏桮堬膛皆閩蝻瑤衄翍摽翍ㄛ眕銌r!~)辣髕霹淉腔馱釬ㄛ砫硐婓黺郔價掛腔馱釬ㄛ朼N杻r恅撿ㄛ朼N癖悊巖忙瘁麝俴ㄛt猁綱衄瘁む坻衄陑侕諷れ森恔!~
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
繚佷
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Date Posted: 18:07:38 09/05/04 Sun
む爛れ翌蜊瞎SUㄛ苤萊砫衄倷〣c﹝

Prefect Association蜊瞎SU曀躂虮а戊Prefect 都"窪醱"奪燴W汜窏唗ㄛ珨陔瞎傖W汜腔諳忕ㄛ傖W汜鷂橾嶲腔禳

政婓ㄛSU 腔傖蕾醴腔淩腔筸祫賸ㄛ祥蚚幼"窪醱"ㄛ翋薯假齬W汜腦瞳﹝筍扂祥怮隴啞W汜庲W汜硐酕"苤岈"ㄛ酕橾"變虯"ㄛ觳睡婓?~酕橾腔變虯曀譯暱W汜腔腦瞳ㄛ衱麼岆W苺腔岈掁禺y耋猁W苺綅釬帥劦珨薯創?誸旁做鼯飲挲綎ㄛW苺衄陑衄薯腔橾祥嗣ㄛ猁W苺腔汜魂嗣訬嗣粒ㄛW汜腔褒伎衄珨隅腔笭猁俶ㄛ:癖悊巖忙盼\ㄛ珩偝斕桉笢腔苤ㄛ筍淩腔祥褫麼Q﹝

祫黺肮W紒腕れSU 恟契鞶皇堅WIㄛ稷江奿埬簀漶婓森ㄛ扂硐砑挲SU褫眕佽議扙Lㄛ衄翍淏醱邳ㄛ扂缶珖爛芘旯跪魂茛盆謗鵊鳪y眕咭!~辣醽佶壧倗麾皇倞衕鯓禷悈炬閡滓鶜皇倞觚皒鷛衛瘞l桯ㄛ鍔赻撩疆腕芵祥綎滹皆煜硤馺苤ㄧ黰r硉罠祥肮ㄛ祥褫眕咥赻樓赻撩腔r硉罠黺e侂篽洁蝜紒腕衄r硉ㄛ匡UPAS"99.5%o蚚腔"衱衄睡!?~蝜紒腕or硉ㄛ百湮髡岆圉cㄛ衱衄睡祔?!~

むㄛW汜珨爛掏fㄛ湮褫瞎霹淉ㄛ蚕侐扦扦墿傖蕾珨霹r瞎ㄛれ鋤厥W汜郔價掛腔馱釬﹝(爛傖蕾ヶ眒婌蕉]善追桯善踏桮堬膛皆閩蝻瑤衄翍摽翍ㄛ眕銌r!~)辣髕霹淉腔馱釬ㄛ砫硐婓黺郔價掛腔馱釬ㄛ朼N杻r恅撿ㄛ朼N癖悊巖忙瘁麝俴ㄛt猁綱衄瘁む坻衄陑侕諷れ森恔!~
[> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


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Person
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Date Posted: 18:57:42 09/05/04 Sun
唉/.....學校好彩有後著.......
咁都好......唔delete學會其實都可以.....
i mean即係今年「將原本的人力資源轉投到su....然後再加以整理....」
呢個我諗econ會有教過掛....我唔知咁合唔合乎經濟原則呀.只係平時睇得多財經透視渣......不過我諗我已經將學會system看成management了....(但我仍然信這是management).....


p.s..葉文謙..........這不是無聊了.....
[> [> Subject: Re: Why is there no one want to work for STUDENT UNION?


Author:
葉文謙
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Date Posted: 22:19:27 09/05/04 Sun
我冇出過post, 唔好屈我

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