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• Predictions for S B & B - -- No name, 23:28:46 10/22/05 Sat [9]
  Grand Supreme 0-3: Brooke Jones
  Grand Supreme 4-7: Cami Epperson
  Grand Supreme 8+ Brianna Butler
  
  Supreme 0-3: Chloe Kasey
  Supreme 4-7: Noelle Sprenkle
  Supreme 8+ Dana Jo Alley
  
  Mini Supreme 0-3: Hannah Shpigler
  Mini Supreme 4-7: Joanna Whitener
  Mini Supreme 8+ Shayla Williamson
  
  Novice Supreme 0-3: Emily Blinkhorn
  Novice Supreme 4-7: Kylie Smith
  Novice Supreme 8+ Kyla Garrison
  
  Facial Supreme 0-3: Aislynn Cochran
  Facial Supreme 4-7: Alexsa Dietrich
  Facial Supreme 8+ Megan Pressley
  
  Age Division Supremes or Queens:
  Emaline Browning, Abigail Decess, Brittany Collins, Deirdre Marshall, Avery Souza, Ashlynn Laflamme,Leila Malloukey, Leanna Jacobs, Allie Maxwell, Ariel Souza, Ashley Souza, Raeann Strickland, Kassidy Gillis, Catherine Matthis, Krystal Gillen, Amber Poindexter
  

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  • Some winners are up, Cami division and Kendall Mcdaniel division beauty, wow I was shocked I would have picked these for a high title. (NT) -- No name, 08:43:57 10/23/05 Sun
  • Megan Pressley is not even there. (NT) -- No name, 10:22:00 10/23/05 Sun
  • You got 2 of the 3 Grand Supremes right! (NT) -- No name, 12:00:21 10/23/05 Sun
    • PATSY'S IS WRONG POINTS NOT AWARDED TO DJA BB BUMPED DOWN TO NOVICE. DJA IS GRAND.SW IS YOUR SUPREME (NT) -- KRYSTAL G IS YOUR MINI! MISTAKES CORRECTED AFTER ANNOUNCEMENTS BUT "BEFORE" PAYOUTS!!!!, 12:04:33 10/23/05 Sun
  • S.R won mini supreme 4-7 . What a joke.. I know now that this had to be fixed from the start. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:54 10/23/05 Sun
    • You're nothing but a stupid, hateful, trashy BITCH to be bashing a little girl. Keep hiding behind your computer. That's where you need to stay. (NT) -- No name, 15:36:31 10/30/05 Sun
      • I met SR and her mom for the first time at SBB & SR was beautiful and great on stage. She deserved her win. Grow up and be a woman and stop picking on a child! (NT) -- No name, 16:52:21 10/31/05 Mon
  • SR is very sweet and she is adorable. She deserved whatever she won ! (NT) -- No name, 18:05:14 10/23/05 Sun
  
  
• America's Fabulous Faces -- No name, 23:57:58 10/29/05 Sat [4]
  Wanting to do AFF prelim, should we go all glitz? Or do flower girl type dress? What about hair and makeup? What do the judges go for and what wins? Thanks!!
  

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  • I would go more simple. Faces is advising people to go more simple. I would do toned down h/m and a flowergirl type dress. (NT) -- No name, 13:11:58 10/30/05 Sun
    • The youngest grand at nationals last year wore some shirly temple looking dress and wore her hair in a pony tail for beauty! She looked kinda sloppy to me, but pulled the grand. (NT) -- No name, 14:22:47 10/30/05 Sun
  • faces is a face pageant- ask the director- but does not seem to be high glitz- toned down- flowergirl dress would probably be best (NT) -- No name, 04:46:12 10/31/05 Mon
  
  
• Photogenic -- No name, 16:19:27 10/30/05 Sun [2]
  OK, someone keeps posting on boards that they think photogenic should be judged on stage during beauty! How the heck would you do that? You can't judge someone's photogenic appeal with out the PHOTO in photogenic!!!!!! What is everyone elses opinion?
  

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  • I think they meant to see if the photos look like the child. I think the child should walk up in front (NT) -- of the judges for close up while judging the photos., 19:20:55 10/30/05 Sun
  
  
• Spread the word new forum http://www.voy.com/199695/ -- No name, 16:24:23 10/30/05 Sun [1]
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• DDA Prediction Board -- No name, 14:10:39 10/30/05 Sun [1]
  A new board has been set up strictly for DDA predictions. The number is 199689 and the board owner says its only up for a week.
  

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• Needing new pix -- No name, 22:59:11 10/29/05 Sat [5]
  Which does everyone think does better photo, touch-ups and turn around time? Im leaning toward Mallard, but also like Overby. Any imput on this? I would like to get these done before christmas.
  

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  • Mallrd (NT) -- No name, 03:50:33 10/30/05 Sun
  • Overby (NT) -- No name, 07:38:44 10/30/05 Sun
  • Mallard all the way! (NT) -- No name, 08:33:24 10/30/05 Sun
  • TONI OVERBY!!! You do have to wait for your proofs but the pictures are AWESOME (NT) -- No name, 13:25:49 10/30/05 Sun
  
  
• SB&B pics -- No name, 16:50:50 10/22/05 Sat [32]
  Prettiest girl on the first page is:
  <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA213382.JPG">http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA213382.JPG</a>
  
  I don't know who she is, but she is pretty.
  
  Also, why does CK's mom always have to be in the photo with her for remotes? "Center-of-Attention" syndrome?
  

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  • Oooohhhhh, who is this? She is adorabel too! (NT) -- http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA213387.jpg, 16:53:09 10/22/05 Sat
    • I think it is Ashley Simmons or her sister from MS. (NT) -- No name, 17:11:37 10/22/05 Sat
      • It looks like Caitlin S to me (NT) -- No name, 17:20:06 10/22/05 Sat
        • That is for sure, not Caitlin S. Looks nothing like her (NT) -- No name, 17:54:14 10/22/05 Sat
        • CS isn't there. (NT) -- No name, 19:14:11 10/22/05 Sat
          • haven't seen cs compete for a while what happened to her? (NT) -- No name, 19:55:55 10/22/05 Sat
            • Heard thru the grapevine, she is waiting on a new dress. (NT) -- No name, 21:59:45 10/22/05 Sat
            • She is 4 now more competition (NT) -- No name, 12:09:59 10/23/05 Sun
              • I think she just took a supreme title at BK last month and I think she'll do better in the 4's than the baby groups since she has a more mature look about her and she models so well. (NT) -- No name, 06:33:32 10/24/05 Mon
    • Yes, that is cassidy s. from ms and the first one mentioned is aislynn c. from MS. (NT) -- No name, 19:23:35 10/22/05 Sat
    • looks like aislynn c to me (NT) -- No name, 20:10:17 10/22/05 Sat
      • that is not aislynn c. (NT) -- No name, 17:46:49 10/24/05 Mon
      • The original link IS Aislynn. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:33 10/24/05 Mon
  • http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA213468.JPG (NT) -- THIS GIRL IS CUTE!, 17:03:14 10/22/05 Sat
    • She may be Ally S. of Ga. Has twin sisters (NT) -- No name, 17:10:31 10/22/05 Sat
      • AERIAL IS THE YOUNGER SISTER (NT) -- No name, 19:20:01 10/22/05 Sat
        • No, that is Avery S. She is the baby, that took the Grand. Ally is the middle child, and Ariel and Ashley are the twins. They are all dolls. Thanks for the compliments. I know their mom would smile. (NT) -- No name, 12:42:01 10/30/05 Sun
  • Is this JW? The girl looks pretty, but her dress is kinda plain (NT) -- http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA213487.JPG, 17:09:44 10/22/05 Sat
  • This girl is pretty too (NT) -- http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA223561.jpg, 17:21:44 10/22/05 Sat
  • http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA223565.JPG RIGHT THERE IS YOUR GRAND SUPREME WATCH AND SEE!!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 17:23:05 10/22/05 Sat
    • Why not? She is gorgeous! (NT) -- No name, 18:56:27 10/22/05 Sat
  • Who cares if she's always in the pic, Are you mad because you're not in the pic with her?? I mean really, Shut up!! Get a life & quit worrying about what others do with THIER CHILD!! (NT) -- No name, 19:09:27 10/22/05 Sat
  • DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE MOM IS IN THE PICTURE TO ME,LOL. (NT) -- No name, 19:22:06 10/22/05 Sat
    • I'm glad she does, i like looking at her hot a**, LOL ...Go Momma!! (NT) -- No name, 19:38:57 10/22/05 Sat
      • In the photo you can't see her A$$ unless you are talking about her face. (NT) -- No name, 19:48:41 10/22/05 Sat
        • Huh?? I meant that she's hot looking, a pretty momma!! (NT) -- a pageant daddy, 20:16:32 10/22/05 Sat
          • I can see how you'd think she's hot. That scraggly hair, them yello buck teeth & that honker of nose. Ewww! (NT) -- No name, 11:11:02 10/23/05 Sun
            • Oh, shove it up your butt! Don't be a hater, i'm sure you were the OP of this whole stupid topic, i think she very attractive. Sorry can't say the same for your ugliness!! (NT) -- No name, 16:02:03 10/23/05 Sun
  • Hey Big Bird ROFLMAO Who is this?? (NT) -- http://patsysmagazine.com/PA223638.JPG, 20:43:08 10/22/05 Sat
    • I think that's Amber Poindexter. Who is this? She's gorgeous! (NT) -- http://www.patsysmagazine.com/PA213494.jpg, 06:23:16 10/23/05 Sun
      • that is ashley simmons in that picture (NT) -- No name, 16:17:33 10/23/05 Sun
  
  
• Which one would you recommend? -- No name, 14:43:10 10/28/05 Fri [3]
  We can go to either Glamour Girls Nationals or Beary Special Nationals. Which one would you recommend & why? Please don't bash. I just don't know enough about them to make my decision.
  

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  • Well, I have been to both and definately would go back to Glamour Girls. Not sure about Beary Special. I loved Glamour Girls. (NT) -- No name, 05:38:09 10/29/05 Sat
  • Have been to both, Glamour Girls for sure. (NT) -- No name, 19:26:32 10/29/05 Sat
  
  
• from another board -- No name, 08:52:45 10/29/05 Sat [1]
  From the retoucher who started this challenge idea. Click in and I will introduce myself. -- Ken, 17:05:43 10/28/05 Fri [9]
  My name is Ken and I do retouch for Donna, Troy and Jennifer. I have done so for years and they are the only people I work for. I am not looking for any other clients. They have been loyal to me and I shall remain so to them. That said, let's get started.
  I started this challenge idea as a reality from a comment someone had made as a passing thought in another post. There are now several threads running about the idea and one of them has offered to begin the challenge and supplied an e-mail address for interested parties. They also stated some guidelines and such and seem to be trying to fast-track this rather than do it in such a way that everyone has a say in how it works. As I have said in other posts, I believe this to be a joint effort that everyone should agree on before proceeding. I introduced myself so that everyone would know that I'm not new to this and, hopefully will regard it as more than just a ploy. I have nothing to lose and nothing to gain rather than to protect mothers from spending their hard earned money on pics that are sub-par to the standards they expect.
  I encourage competition as long as it continues to grow the pageant industry and not diminish it. We all have pics that aren't as good as we wish they were for whatever reason. The trick is to make those the exception. Right now, I fear that the influx of people trying this out to make a quick buck is diluting the talent pool. Let's try to refine the product once again to a level of excellance and not become complacent and accepting of a lesser product.
  I'm sure that some of you will be inclined to respond with comments about me rather than the contest and, if that is the case, please do it in another posting. I want to try to keep this to retouchers discussing guidelines and such rather than a forum to critisize any retoucher who makes a comment.
  The e-mail address I have set up for all of us to send to is "therealretouchchallenge@comcast.net". I will forward any and all e-mails that are sent there(unless otherwise specified) to all retouchers who wish to receive them. I am hoping that, at least, all of the bigger name retouchers will participate and some of the up and comers who want to see where they are. I don't want you all to think I'm being vain and claiming any kind of superiority to any of the rest of you, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not a newbie. We all know who the big names are and that there is not one retoucher for each photographer. So let's not be coy or play dumb.
  I'll stop this post for now and add a suggested format in a post to follow. We can then take your suggestions and refine them from there. I look forward to meeting you all even if it is just through e-mail. Thank You.
  

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• NES -- No name, 17:56:45 10/27/05 Thu [6]
  Who would you use for H/M between Yee, Bonnie or Booth?
  

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  • Both of them they are teaming up. Didn't you hear? Both are the best (NT) -- No name, 20:58:21 10/27/05 Thu
    • WHICH TWO? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THAT ARE TEAMING UP? (NT) -- No name, 04:42:27 10/28/05 Fri
  • Yee (NT) -- No name, 03:41:46 10/28/05 Fri
  • You didn't get the memo? Man you are so out of the loop. Bonnie & Booth. Excellant choice. (NT) -- No name, 14:48:57 10/28/05 Fri
  • So who is going, looks like most all vendors are trying to book for this (NT) -- No name, 06:02:49 10/29/05 Sat
  
  
• 2 MOMS IN TEXAS WERE CAUGHT MAKING OUT AT A PAGEANT . CAT BUMPING PAGEANT MOMS EWWW WHAT'S NEXT .. THEY ARE BOTH WELL KNOWN I'M NOT POSTING ANY NAMES BUT WATCH YOUR BOOTY SOMEONE IS LOOKING AT IT . GROSS -- No name, 14:48:13 10/26/05 Wed [7]
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  • oooooooooooooooo yummy!!! Can't be any worse than the flaming H/M and MC (NT) -- No name, 15:31:25 10/26/05 Wed
    • who is HM and MC (NT) -- No name, 19:29:05 10/26/05 Wed
      • Are you serious?...lol. (NT) -- No name, 20:02:48 10/26/05 Wed
      • cutting? (NT) -- No name, 10:59:24 10/28/05 Fri
      • Please lets be dense. both MB, MB, SK, and the lovely Mr. Tim (NT) -- No name, 18:16:54 10/28/05 Fri
  • oh come on give us hints (NT) -- No name, 17:18:58 10/27/05 Thu
  
  
• Beautiful Belles and Beaus -- No name, 15:34:13 10/23/05 Sun [4]
  Does anyone have the link to the Beautiful Belles and Beaus website and/or winners?
  

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  • Anybody? (NT) -- No name, 20:13:43 10/26/05 Wed
  • Yea can someone post the winners please? (NT) -- No name, 02:21:48 10/27/05 Thu
    • 0-4 Kylie Cates, 5-10 Courtney Painter, 11 and up Georgianna-Nadine, Novice Supreme Klaire Haney and Ultimate Isabella Gillespie (NT) -- No name, 17:50:59 10/27/05 Thu
  
  
• Well if you never thought you would get your POP then, well know that you will never get it now. -- No name, 19:19:20 10/25/05 Tue [3]
  News About POP MAGAZINE -- Caryl, 10/25/05 12:07:46am
  
  
  Hi everyone... With a saddened heart I'm announcing that I have Sold - Pride of Pageantry...(aka POP Magazine) ...
  
  As some of you know, I have had a small health concern lately, nothing very serious mind you, just something that keeps getting worse and worse with stress. As owner of POP, I wore many "hats". Going from Receptionist to being Layout and Design, I did it all..... It was getting harder and harder on me with each issue....
  
  I spent many sleepless nights, trying to fix the problem, trying to come up with something that would lessen the stress and help me keep the magazine....but I wasn't very successful at coming up with ideas.... I even had quite a few friends offer to help lighten the load of the magazine by taking on different jobs so I wouldnt have to do them, but being like I am I still had to have "my hands" in everything as usual anyway.
  
  I have Sold the magazine to a wonderful lady named Carla Creekmore, she lives in AZ and has been in the Pageantry business for over 10 years, either as a judge, a contestant's mother or as the Director of her own pageant.
  
  I have known Carla for about 6 years, and I know she will be a great "mommy" to my "baby".... I believe she will love it as I have... she's a hard worker, a very creative person, and loves kids... I remember her pageant as being "always for the kids"..... I always felt like she had put 110% into it..... and I am sure she will do the same with POP
  
  She has some great ideas in mind ... I know her first change is to add a new prize for Cover... $200 CASH... and it starts with ALL entries for the Winter issue, not just with the Nov 15th deadline...... Another thing she is adding is a Kid's Korner section to the magazine.... Articles & Interviews that kids will love to read and will interest them too, not just their moms.....
  
  And with that said, I would like to ask you all to support her as you have supported and promoted me.... enter her contests, take ads out, write articles and subscribe to her wonderful magazine.... Look for new & exciting things to be added to POP
  
  I have met a lot of great people though pageants, some of you have become close friends...... so I am sad and happy in the same breath about POP.... I have told people "its like giving up my child" when asked how I feel about selling it.... I started POP as a newsletter for the West Coast, it's "grown up" a lot in the 5 years that its been published.
  
  I will continue to do the PAGEANT COVERAGES for awhile, until Carla has gotten the first couple of issues printed, and then she will take over this also....
  
  When I accepted Carla's offer for the magazine, I will be honest, I cried and cried, not knowing if I was doing the right thing... oh I knew Carla was the right person, I just didnt know if this was right for ME.... but after many meetings with Carla and having a few special friends to talk to, I now know this is the best for all of us....
  
  Please contact me at the email below... if you have any concerns.....
  
  THANK YOU for all your support and love and friendship....
  
  Caryl
  Pride of Pageantry Magazine...
  prideofpageantry@aol.com
  

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  • SH*T- and i just renewed before the fall issue came out- still waiting on the issue w/ brroke on the front cover (NT) -- and now this! anyone know how to get your $$$ back?, 14:28:57 10/26/05 Wed
  • Hell freezing over will come first. Good Luck hhhhhhhhheeeee heeee (evil laugh) (NT) -- No name, 15:37:09 10/26/05 Wed
  
  
• What did CK get at SB&B? Please don't bash just didn't see her name on the winners list and was just curious? -- No name, 16:12:51 10/23/05 Sun [4]
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  • I was wondering that too! I had her picked for at least Mini! (NT) -- No name, 22:07:33 10/25/05 Tue
    • Obviously you were not there or you would know she could no wayhave gotten the mini (NT) -- No name, 03:10:25 10/26/05 Wed
    • That is what you get for picking from Patsy's pictures! (NT) -- No name, 03:11:25 10/26/05 Wed
  
  
• SB&B National 2005 Winners List -- No name, 06:50:01 10/24/05 Mon [11]
  A tabulation error was made involving only 4 contestants in the 8 & Up breakdown. The corrections are as follow:
  
  Grand Supreme - Dana Jo Alley
  Grand Supreme - Brianna Butler
  Supreme - Shayla Williamson
  Mini-Supreme - Krystal Gillen
  
  No titles or money were taken away from any child!
  
  GRAND SUPREME Winners
  0-3 Yr Girls & Boys - BROOKE JONES
  4-7 Yr Girls - AVERY SOUZA
  8 & Up Girls - BRIANNA BUTLER
  
  OVERALL SUPREME Winners
  0-3 Yr Girls & Boys - HANNAH SHPIGLER
  4-7 Yr Girls - JOANNA WHITENER
  8 & Up Girls - DANA JO ALLEY
  
  OVERALL MINI-SUPREME Winners
  0-3 Yr Girls & Boys - AISLYNN COCHRAN
  4-7 Yr Girls - SABRINA REID
  8 & Up Girls - SHAYLA WILLIAMSON
  
  OVERALL NOVICE SUPREME Winners
  0-3 Yr Girls & Boys - CASSIDY SIMMONS
  4-7 Yr Girls - ALEXSA DIETRICH
  8 & Up Girls - KRYSTAL GILLEN
  
  OVERALL FACIAL BEAUTY SUPREME Winners
  0-3 Yr Girls & Boys - ABIGAIL URBINA
  4-7 Yr Girls - KYLIE SMITH
  8 & Up Girls - ASHLEY WATERS
  
  OVERALL SOUTHERN BEAUTY Winners
  0-3 Yr Girls & Boys - GRAYSON BENTLEY
  4-7 Yr Girls - ASHLEY SIMMONS
  8 & Up Girls - ARIEL SOUZA
  
  OVERALL SOUTHERN PRINCESS Winners
  0-3 Yr Girls & Boys - KENSLEY SCREEN
  4-7 Yr Girls - ALLY SOUZA
  8 & Up Girls - KAYLA WEEKS
  
  DIVISION SUPREME Winners
  0-24 mos AMANDA MENO
  25-36 mos KENDAL McGUFFEE
  3 Yr RAYNA BAILEY
  4 Yr NOELLE SPRENKLE
  5 Yr CAMI EPPERSON
  6-7 Yr LEILA MALLOUKY
  8-9 Yr KELSEY MARTIN
  10-12 Yr CATHERINE MATTHIS
  13-15 Yr AMBER POINDEXTER
  16 & Up MEGAN HAWKINS
  0-3 Yr Boys ROBBY FARR
  
  DIVISION BEAUTY Winners
  0-24 mos CAILEE CALABRESE
  25-36 mos HALEY-VICTORIA BUJEDO
  3 Yr BRITTNEY COLLINS
  4 Yr YAMISHA YOUNG
  5 Yr ALIE MAXWELL
  6-7 Yr KYNDALL BARBER
  8-9 Yr KENDALL McDANIEL
  10-12 Yr MAKAYLA LEDFORD
  13-15 Yr JESSICA HATCHER
  16 & Up BRITTANY PARKS
  0-3 Yr Boys BRYCE BARRETT
  
  FACIAL BEAUTY Winners
  0-24 mos DALLAS WESLEY
  25-36 mos NATALEIGH RABY
  3 Yr EMILY CURD
  4 Yr HAYDEN GARRIS
  5 Yr KASSIDY GILLIS
  6-7 Yr LEANNA JACOBS
  8-9 Yr RAEANN STRICKLAND
  10-12 Yr KELSEY DENSON
  13-15 Yr KATIA SILVA
  16 & Up -----------
  0-3 Yr Boys TRISTAN MATHEWSON
  
  SONNY LIVINGSTON AWARD - CIERRA BOATRIGHT
  

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  • Overall southern Princess and Overall southern beauties came out after individual division titles I think, Is that correct? (NT) -- No name, 07:01:15 10/24/05 Mon
    • Yes the southern princess and southern beauty titles were actually lower titles than age division titles. (NT) -- No name, 18:47:03 10/24/05 Mon
  • Wasn't the ultamte beauty title done the same way as in pulled after the beauty titles? (NT) -- No name, 07:46:43 10/24/05 Mon
  • Ultimate Beauty was pulled after the Supremes but before Age group. Southern Princess & Southern Beauty were pulled AFTER Group winners. (NT) -- No name, 12:44:03 10/24/05 Mon
    • Southern Princess & Overall Southern Beauty were door added titles that gave crown and $50 cash!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 16:24:46 10/24/05 Mon
      • They paid $195 to win back $50, but everyone pretty much had to enter it for supremes cause the added door events were not broken down to enter just one. (NT) -- door events were oa hair,oa photo,oa sw/ww,oa ooc,oa dress. All carried points for supreme., 16:28:53 10/24/05 Mon
        • No, you didn't, lol. The OAs plus division hair and dress were $135 by themselves. Then you could do just the door titles for $135. The kicker was combining the sets for $195. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:12 10/24/05 Mon
  • So who now bumps up to the new 8 & up novie title? KG can't be the novice & mini winner???? (NT) -- No name, 20:36:52 10/24/05 Mon
  • So who won Novice now? Should's you crown that child from your mistakes? (NT) -- No name, 05:48:12 10/25/05 Tue
    • I belive BB would have been Novice so that's why they didn't crown anybody else. (NT) -- No name, 07:51:37 10/25/05 Tue
  
  
• SUNBURST -- No name, 03:29:39 10/19/05 Wed [6]
  Sunburst, fair or not?
  

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  • fair (NT) -- No name, 18:02:23 10/19/05 Wed
  • Thought it was fair and the winners were deserving. Well run (NT) -- pm, 22:03:59 10/19/05 Wed
  • Only if you are in with Mona or Toni. Pageant belongs to them. (NT) -- No name, 22:20:45 10/19/05 Wed
    • NOT FAIR!!!!! In the categories that do not allow makeup- some had a good bit of makeup & hairpieces & won 0-4 overall! (at our state pageant) We have gone for years but will not be back after this because they do not follow what they put in PPW (NT) -- No name, 11:34:01 10/20/05 Thu
      • yea- well at our state pageant our director invited h&m and tanners- the girls who used them all LOST and she had all mall kids win that were under 8- go figure! (NT) -- No name, 18:44:14 10/24/05 Mon
  
  
• SBB -- No name, 08:29:33 10/13/05 Thu [28]
  Is it true there are 18 in that 8-9 yr group
  

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  • I HEARD MORE LIKE 10-11 (NT) -- No name, 20:41:50 10/13/05 Thu
  • Over 110 in pageant now (NT) -- No name, 03:29:36 10/14/05 Fri
    • thanks director, glad to see you frequent the bash boards (NT) -- No name, 05:46:15 10/14/05 Fri
  • I don't think that is Suzanne, I spoke to her yesterday and she said she doesn't have 100 yet. (NT) -- No name, 05:57:23 10/14/05 Fri
    • Let me guess. 99?? It is going to be big! (NT) -- No name, 07:28:16 10/14/05 Fri
      • she does have over 15 in the 8-9 group! She is lying if she says otherwise! 10-12 is big also (NT) -- No name, 08:30:22 10/14/05 Fri
        • who are they? (NT) -- No name, 09:48:44 10/14/05 Fri
          • SW RS BB AK AP MC LH ALH SP DF RT AV JL SL (NT) -- No name, 11:16:58 10/14/05 Fri
            • ak is royalty (NT) -- No name, 17:58:11 10/14/05 Fri
            • SW'S MOM HAD SURGERY AND WILL NOT BE THERE. (NT) -- No name, 18:41:14 10/21/05 Fri
  • Since you are all in the know, what about 5's? Rumor has it big but does anyone know FOR SURE? (NT) -- No name, 17:57:07 10/14/05 Fri
    • the 2's, 5's, 6-7, are HUGE (NT) -- No name, 18:26:58 10/14/05 Fri
      • how do you know??? (NT) -- No name, 21:03:12 10/14/05 Fri
        • who is going on the 2's? (NT) -- No name, 05:45:38 10/15/05 Sat
  • SBB adds points for paying for door optionals and they do not even score the photos so she can control who wins with the photos. WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT ANY SYSTEM THAT OPERATES LIKE THIS (NT) -- No name, 06:12:31 10/15/05 Sat
    • what do you mean they are not scored?? (NT) -- No name, 08:06:40 10/15/05 Sat
      • They pick photos and the top photo gets points and runner ups get less points no real scoring. IT'S BULLSHIT AND THESE KIND OF THINGS NEED TO STOP (NT) -- No name, 11:07:51 10/15/05 Sat
    • YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT ONLY TONI O PHOTOS WIN. (NT) -- No name, 11:52:18 10/15/05 Sat
      • LMAO-that's a new one on me. In the past, only Donna Mallard pics ruled that pageant. Is this a new thing after TS won last year? LOL (NT) -- No name, 12:51:01 10/20/05 Thu
  • ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THE PHOTO'S NOT BEING SCORED?? WHAT IF EVERYONE HAS AWESOME PICTURES, HOW IS IT DONE?? I AM REALLY RETHINKING ABOUT GOING TO THIS PAGEANT!! TOO MANY CRAZY WAYS TO WIN A TITLE!!! (NT) -- No name, 13:49:49 10/19/05 Wed
    • Photos are not scored. And, if rumors are right-the judges don't see them-some "other people" pick the Photo winners. (NT) -- No name, 12:52:28 10/20/05 Thu
  • Winner in group gets 1 point alts get half point. So if you don't place in photogenic you get no points toward supreme. Much prefer systems with supremes based on Beauty plus one highest event. (NT) -- No name, 19:26:07 10/19/05 Wed
  • SBB IS A JOKE AND I PERSONALLY HOP NEXT YEAR NO ONE GOES AND THIS GREEDY DIRECTOR GOES OUT OF BUSINESS (NT) -- No name, 16:41:22 10/20/05 Thu
    • Suzanne is greedy, but MM of TDS and SC of AGG aren't?? I paid less for SBB than I have EVER paid for the other two! (NT) -- No name, 07:07:04 10/24/05 Mon
      • you must have won lot of fees off then (NT) -- No name, 09:39:48 10/24/05 Mon
      • Then you got your title for the points you had to pay for! -- No name, 16:23:44 10/24/05 Mon
  • Some of the pictures from the pageant are posted on Patsy's. (NT) -- No name, 14:27:18 10/22/05 Sat
  
  
• FROM ANOTHER BOARD -- No name, 14:54:03 10/24/05 Mon [1]
  DEAR SUZANNE: -- No name, 17:35:01 10/24/05 Mon [3]
  I have read all this and I have to take a minute to say what you did was wrong. I work hard for my money and sent you my deposit before the deadline so I could take advantage of the "discount". I receive a letter one week before competition after hotel arrangements were made, travel arrangements (non-refundable) were made, among many other misc expenses including purchasing 10 gifts with bags to give to YOUR outgoing royalty.
  
  This letter told me, a rather new pageant mom, that I have to pay another $200 for my dd to even have a chance at a title. You did not allow, like most pageants to choose one of the several overall titles, we HAD to do them all or nothing. Why? Why the points? I will tell you why the points, incentive, actually more like a no win situation, you do not enter, your dd does not stand a chance...you knew perfectly well that mom's will pay the price to assure their dd every opportunity to win. That put about 18,000 in your pocket and you did not care who or how many you put that pressure on that did not have that extra $200. You knew where the weak spot is with the pageant moms, bet you laughed all the way to the bank at these moms.
  
  This is like the car sales-man selling you a car for $200, you hand him the money with no refund policy only for him to tell you that you the tires were not included they will be another $200.
  
  I know for a fact that two girls received the same scores in your pageant, one did the overall and one did not do the overall. The girl that did the overall got a mini, the girl that could not afford to do the overalls took a division. You lied to me, you told me that the points would not cause that affect. I am not mad over my dd's placement, I AM mad at myself for falling for your dishonesty and deception, now realizing after trusting your word, that my dd never stood a chance if I did not enter the $200 overalls. It is sad that those girls that won titles on their own merit were robbed of them as a result of your hunger for the almighty $$$. One beautiful young girl in the 8-9 yr old division was damaged by your yearning for the $$. She earned her title on her own merit only for you to rip the glory & title due to your non-affective point system. How that young girl must feel, only to now be bashed on the boards due to your greed.
  
  I have just finish placing my dd's $1,300.00 build-a-bear in a gold case with a brass label reading "An Expensive Lesson Learned". You were deceitful and that is the truth. Next year please try the honest route, put your overalls that you can purchase to win points on your website and ppw.
  
  
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  Couldn't of been said better except, (NT) -- No name, 17:39:35 10/24/05 Mon
  I doubt she will ahve a pageant next year with so many mistakes and pissed off people (NT) -- No name, 17:40:45 10/24/05 Mon
  

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• Does everybody have their custom-made christmas casual-wear for agg yet? -- No name, 19:46:37 10/22/05 Sat [4]
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  • NOOO WISH WE DID STILL WAITING!!!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 22:49:28 10/22/05 Sat
    • I am having one made and also have bought one off the rack..Want to be prepared!!! (NT) -- No name, 05:19:05 10/24/05 Mon
  • I've got an off the rack,our other is halfway finished. I'm like you. I want to be prepared !! (NT) -- No name, 05:52:49 10/24/05 Mon
  
  
• Michael B and Missy D are stuck in Mexico -- No name, 17:38:05 10/22/05 Sat [2]
  For those who don't know, Michael Booth now resides in Mexico. He, along with Missy D were supposed to fly out Thursday to a pageant but they cancelled their flight on Wednesday. He's stuck in a Cancun hotel ballroom along with many others. According to what I was told the hotel is telling people they will be lucky if they make it through Hurricane Wilma. Michael has been calling those close to him, saying his goodbyes incase he doesn't make it.
  

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  • Ha, ha, ha! Of the DRAMA of it all! I think someone has too much time on their hands! (NT) -- No name, 21:04:11 10/23/05 Sun
  
  
• Could someone tell me what happened to O.L AND H. F of Floridia ? -- No name, 17:20:20 10/23/05 Sun [1]
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• SBB -- No name, 11:27:47 10/23/05 Sun [1]
  Did Suzanne not do an Ultimate Grand this year?
  

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• See? ~ Click in -- No name, 11:25:29 10/23/05 Sun [1]
  This was taken from their site.
  
  
  Before the trolls (erm...mommies) come and start their sh*t, I thought I'd tell ya all why I'm here. I'll try to keep it short.
  
  I have been lurking the VOY boards for a few years, checking out the drama and goings on in the pageant world. It started when my daughter in-law was doing research for a psych class and was directed to "bash boards". It was like a bad accident, I should have turned away but couldn't.
  
  Aside from the hilarity potential, these moms and their daughters are a bizarre slice of humanity that can't be witnessed anywhere else; better than any soap opera. Also, I work with a child advocacy group (perveted-justice) whos main function is to keep child predators off the internet and away from our kids. Seeing what these pageant moms do in the way of displaying their children like prime meat gives me information that I can use for helping others not make the same mistakes.
  
  Anyway, when I looked at VOY this morning and saw that the moms from hell had found this message board, I just couldn't help myself.
  I came to witness the fireworks, shake my head and snark a little...maybe a lot. Just figured I would let ya know why I know a bunch about the pageant crap and the fools that will sooner or later make their way here.
  
  
  edited to add: Notice how many guests are in this thread? Those mommys are just getting geared up, probably taking time to look up the words in the posts. Give them time to down a six pack of beer and grab an extra pack of smokes. They'll be here.
  

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• Ladies, this board address has found its way onto another anti-pageant site. -- No name, 11:20:28 10/23/05 Sun [1]
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• Swimsuit Designer -- No name, 07:45:59 10/23/05 Sun [2]
  Who is a good swimsuit designer for a teen?
  

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  • Well if you want the hooker look go to SH(she did TS up real nice) , I would post a note on 77795 and use one of those ladies (NT) -- No name, 10:50:53 10/23/05 Sun
  
  
• Listen up directors! -- No name, 19:44:57 10/22/05 Sat [2]
  Stop having pageants in Arkansas. We are sick and tired of Alisha going in there and running the show. If you feel it is absolutely necessary to have your pageant in the metropolitan mecca of Arkansas, do us all a favor and get judges from states that do NOT border Arkansas. I'll tell you right now, we won't attend a pageant in Arkansas where Alisha and her crew are going to be. And, I am certainly not alone in this feeling. You will have kids, but they will only be Alisha's kids and you'll never survive that way.
  

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  • Is someone upset with CB's little miss Mid south?? (NT) -- No name, 07:34:49 10/23/05 Sun
  
  
• Universal Royalty -- No name, 02:55:16 10/20/05 Thu [3]
  Good or not? Is it fair?
  

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  • I've heard not fair. (NT) -- No name, 15:49:29 10/21/05 Fri
  • Forget it unless you want your dd followed around by trashy media. -- jmo, 22:20:58 10/22/05 Sat
  
  
• ANOTHER OLD BOARD AROUND WHEN PINK BOARD WAS UP & RUNNING -- No name, 21:26:38 10/22/05 Sat [1]
  <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.voy.com/193832/">http://www.voy.com/193832/</a>
  

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• Congratulations Deborah LaFlamme -- No name, 18:51:27 10/04/05 Tue [7]
  You and your 12 friends can wash a board. Let me guess, it's your coaching buddies for the Barbie girls. Yes, we saw how far that coach is taking you. CP came in dead last at DDA and were you at TDS with little angel face? I didn't see your names on the winner list.
  

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  • now there's a mom a few fries short of a happy meal (NT) -- No name, 19:31:12 10/04/05 Tue
  • If you see this mom RUN Fast and FAR away. (NT) -- No name, 08:39:23 10/17/05 Mon
  • Don't think it was them. More likey from the Southeast (GA)! (NT) -- No name, 02:06:48 10/19/05 Wed
  • Still if you see this woman run run run. You don't want to be messed up with this woman's drama. (NT) -- No name, 07:56:21 10/19/05 Wed
    • Whats wrong, did her child win and yours didn't. That make her a bad person. (NT) -- YOU ARE SO OBVIOUS GIRL., 17:54:59 10/21/05 Fri
  • What are you expecting out of those girls? They just started with Barbie Girls. (NT) -- GET OVER YOURSELF GIRLFRIEND, 12:40:17 10/20/05 Thu
  
  
• Can someone give me a list of coaches in Fl w/ location & contacts. We are moving there & want to start getting her coached. -- Thanks so much, 18:51:54 10/17/05 Mon [2]
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  • Donna Butts - but I don't know a contact person. (NT) -- No name, 15:56:33 10/21/05 Fri
  
  
• Mr. Tim -- No name, 16:41:00 10/14/05 Fri [9]
  My daughter is going to her first Mr. Tim pageant soon and I was wondering what she should expect? I have seen pictures of him next to the girls in beauty but can't figure out what he actually does? Please let me know!!!!
  Thanks in Advance
  

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  • Mr. Tim is da'bomb. He stands next to each girl in line up and sings to them, sometimes butterfly kisses, sometimes other songs. It is a special time for each girl. Nice. (NT) -- No name, 16:57:52 10/14/05 Fri
  • He does sing to them individually at some pageants. At others he just goes behind them singing depending on what the director instructs him to do. Sometimes at the larger pageants, it takes so long during lineup that it saves time not to sing to each girl. But, DDA and Gingerbread are exceptions. Large pageants, but he still sings to each girls individually. (NT) -- No name, 18:36:23 10/14/05 Fri
  • My DD loves Mr Tim, he really makes the pageant special. (NT) -- No name, 06:16:30 10/15/05 Sat
  • Some little ones are afraid of Mr. Tim. My daughter stood in lineup next MW who cried the entire time her was singing. (NT) -- No name, 10:54:26 10/15/05 Sat
  • You can resolve your dd fears by introducing her to Mr. Tim before the pageant and explain to her that he will be up there with her in line up singing. (NT) -- No name, 07:55:09 10/16/05 Sun
    • Uh, wrong. That might work for some kids, but not all. MW has to be removed fromthe stage because she cried so loud she was distracting the other girls in lineup! (NT) -- No name, 20:01:54 10/16/05 Sun
      • Every child is different and some are much more shy than others. I would introduce your child to MR tim and let her know what is going to happen and that may help but some kids will be nervous either way and some will love it and eat it up. That is whats great about our kids each one has their own unique personality! One should never be bashed for crying or being shy! Some of those shyones make the biggest stars! (NT) -- No name, 14:22:52 10/18/05 Tue
        • NOBODY BASHED A CHILD. SOMEBODY STATED A FACT - YOU KNOW - SOMETHING THAT REALLY HAPPENED. HOW IS THAT BASHING? (NT) -- No name, 15:55:07 10/21/05 Fri
  
  
• Question-How do you all feel about women (us older PM's, say 30-up) competing with our daughters at pageants that offer the Mrs./Ms. categories. Is it frowned upon or what? I secretly would love to do one but think it might look like I am trying to hold on to my youth just a little too hard- LOL-what do you guys think? -- No name, 09:41:43 10/20/05 Thu [7]
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  • JMHO - I think that these pageants are for children. Compete in Mrs America or something. (NT) -- You know what they say about opions though...LOL, 10:03:26 10/20/05 Thu
    • I believe the Miss America ones are for younger, unmarried women aren't they? (NT) -- No name, 20:02:43 10/20/05 Thu
  • Click in for my opinion! -- No name, 11:05:50 10/20/05 Thu
    • I say go for it!!! Your dd would probably love cheering Mom on!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 19:38:31 10/20/05 Thu
      • She wants me too, hey I can still do some gymnastics and dance well-think I should try some pro-am? Hehe LOL! (NT) -- No name, 20:04:10 10/20/05 Thu
        • oops too many ooo's in the too-that came out wrong. Bad me-I am constantly correcting my Hubbies poor spelling and grammar, guess I'm not as correct as I thought? (NT) -- No name, 20:10:23 10/20/05 Thu
  
  
• Glitz pageant newbies -- No name, 11:10:31 10/20/05 Thu [3]
  Would anyone be willing to offer some FRIENDLY advice to newcomers to glitz pageants? My daughter is 8 and has only done natural pageants. She will compete in her 1st nat'l pageant next month. We've been practicing alot of modeling and she's an excellent dancer and wants to try proam. We have a video from ebay to help. Any advice?
  

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  • Run, Forrest, RUN ! (NT) -- No name, 12:29:02 10/20/05 Thu
  • If you want to pro-am at that level....GET A COACH!! (NT) -- No name, 19:36:33 10/20/05 Thu
  
  
• The Washcloth -- No name, 07:06:09 10/20/05 Thu [2]
  I was due for an appointment with the gynecologist later
  in the week. Early one morning, I received a call from the
  doctor's office to tell me that I had been rescheduled for that morning at 9:30 am. I had only just packed everyone off to work and school, and it was already around 8:45 am. The trip to his office took about 35 minutes, so I didn't have any time to spare As most women do, I like to take a little extra effort over hygiene when making such visits, but this time I wasn't going to be able to make the full effort. So, I rushed upstairs, threw off my pajamas, wet the washcloth that was sitting next to the sink, and gave myself a quick wash in "that area" to make sure I was at least presentable. I threw the washcloth in the clothes basket, donned some clothes, hopped in the car and raced to my appointment. I was in ! the waiting room for only a few minutes when I was called in. Knowing the procedure, as I'm sure you do, I hopped up on the table, looked over at the other side of the room and pretended that I was in Paris or some other place a million miles away. I was a little surprised when the doctor said, "My, we have made an extra effort this morning, haven't we?" I didn't respond. After the appointment, I heaved a sigh of relief and went home. The rest of the day was normal... some shopping, cooking, etc. After school when my 6 year old daughter was playing, she called out from the bathroom, "Mommy, where's my washcloth?" I told her to get another one from the cupboard. She replied,"No, I need the one that was here by the sink, it had all my glitter and sparkles saved inside it."
  
  NOW TELL ME YOU ARE NOT LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!!
  

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  • OMG that was funny! I needed a laugh tonite! (NT) -- No name, 19:14:43 10/20/05 Thu
  
  
• Have you noticed like I have that with these huge flippers a few kids have shit eating grins that look very fake . It turns me off as judge to see this SE grin plastered on a 2-12 year old . Moms please use more real looking teeth or tell dd to keep her grin in check . -- No name, 23:34:35 10/19/05 Wed [1]
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• What do you all think about Dream Girls USA? -- No name, 13:01:39 10/19/05 Wed [1]
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• Anyone know where I can get a crown/pageant car magnet-like the soccer or football ones? -- No name, 21:27:14 10/15/05 Sat [2]
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  • Go to a sign shop in your area and they can make you one. (NT) -- No name, 07:58:30 10/19/05 Wed
  
  
• Does anyone know the website for Designs by Shar? -- No name, 04:46:02 10/19/05 Wed [2]
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  • www.designsbyshar.com (NT) -- No name, 06:50:24 10/19/05 Wed
  
  
• Need a swimwear. Who would you recommend? I do not want a Sandi Henry. -- No name, 06:13:00 10/17/05 Mon [5]
  Tina Marshall takes too long and so does Linda Bradley. Who else out there makes good, lined suits?
  

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  • Try Judy Burton @ Judyscreations1@aol.com. She has made some cute suits for my DD at a great price. Hope this helps. (NT) -- No name, 13:44:03 10/17/05 Mon
  • Tina Marshall has got to be one of my least favorite people in pageantry. She is evil and would throw her best friend under the bus if she thought she could benefit from it. Never mind her shabby overpriced work! (NT) -- No name, 14:01:54 10/17/05 Mon
    • Can we try and keep this board somewhat decent? That was uncalled for. (NT) -- No name, 18:17:06 10/17/05 Mon
  • Try looking on the 77795 board. It is the sewing board, I have used a couple of them and been really happy. (NT) -- No name, 13:34:20 10/18/05 Tue
  
  
• AGG Photo contest -- No name, 13:59:23 10/17/05 Mon [3]
  Does anybody know if the final photo contest winners have been announced? I think the deadline was last week.
  

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  • My daughter was entered and we haven't heard anything yet, so I would think that they have not announced anything yet. Good luck. (NT) -- No name, 19:06:41 10/17/05 Mon
    • SHE DOES NOT ANOUNCE THE WINNERS SHE WILL MAIL YOU A LETTER IF YOU WON IT'S ABOUT 1 TO 2 WEEK WAIT. IF YOU DONT GET A LETTER WITHIN THAT MEANS YOU DID NOT WIN ANYTHING. -- No name, 05:06:51 10/18/05 Tue
  
  
• What's the final word on gymnastics in sportswear routines? -- No name, 09:40:06 10/13/05 Thu [11]
  How do you feel about:
  Cartwheels
  Knee spins
  Flips
  Leg extensions
  Illusion cartwheels
  

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  • Depends on the stage....I personally don't care for flips, but leg extensions and such are ok. (NT) -- You just shouldn't have to take Gymnastics to be competitive., 09:58:19 10/13/05 Thu
  • Get rid of it all. They look like minature strippers. (NT) -- No name, 11:55:36 10/13/05 Thu
    • then what must you think of cheerleaders? they do all that stuff in their routines. (NT) -- No name, 23:26:03 10/15/05 Sat
      • Yes, but they do not do it on a crappy stage 3 feet off the floor. Gymnastics and Cheerleading moves do not belong in pageants, except as talent. (NT) -- No name, 07:48:53 10/16/05 Sun
        • last I checked they dont change the stage before talent. Seems to me like your problem is that your DD cant do any of these moves. (NT) -- No name, 11:52:18 10/16/05 Sun
          • No, they don't change the stage, but most pageants give the girls the option of doing talent in front of the stage on the floor. (NT) -- No name, 19:58:59 10/16/05 Sun
        • My dd has been in gymnastics since 2 and competitive cheer since 4, I will not let her do those moves on a pageant stage. NO DISCUSSION (NT) -- No name, 20:27:24 10/16/05 Sun
  • at NES they change the stage (NT) -- No name, 13:59:24 10/16/05 Sun
  • How are knee spins and leg extensions gymnastics, my daughter takes tap and jazz dance and they do both things in jazz plus leaps, turns, spins and back leg pulls. If you do dancing you become very flexable and are able to do these things and all pro-am is in my thoughts is hip-hop jazz dancing. (NT) -- No name, 19:58:15 10/17/05 Mon
    • I would look at comments being made from judges or ask director ahead of time. (NT) -- No name, 21:00:09 10/17/05 Mon
  
  
• THIS IS THE BOARD OWNER -- No name, 13:50:09 10/17/05 Mon [6]
  As I said before, I will never post IP's or ISP's or whatever they are. I have looked at the argument regarding Toni O. I have identified what I think is CM's IP and what I think CS's IP is. It appears that neither lady has aol. However, there is alot of conversation contributing to the argument that IS aol and some from independent/unrelated IP's . But, none matches either of these ladies' IP's. In fact, it appears that neither lady started the argument, but multiple unrelated people seem to have an opinion on this subject.
  
  I hope this explanation satisfies the request from the board and that we can all be friends. Now...let's hold hands and sing koom-bah-yah.
  

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  • FUCK YOU BOARD OWNER. YOU ARE SO HATED. ONLY BAD WILL COME YOUR WAY BITCH. (NT) -- No name, 14:49:34 10/17/05 Mon
    • Right back at ya sweetie! (NT) -- No name, 15:06:08 10/17/05 Mon
  • Many people carry several interenet access's. Especially at work. It's easy to sign on and off, many do it. This proves nothing but at least you are trying to help. The person above is just rude! Ignore them and keep smiling! (NT) -- No name, 18:13:46 10/17/05 Mon
    • Thank you very much Board Owner. I have have Adelphia at both home and work so I appreciate it!! (NT) -- Carol, 20:01:53 10/17/05 Mon
      • These boards can be tricky. You never know who is posting what. People can have friends post for them..... or yes, hide behind different providers. These boards are bad for pageantry. (NT) -- No name, 20:58:40 10/17/05 Mon