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2 month old pullet with splayed leg -- Ashley, 04:14:14 08/15/13 Thu [6]

My 2 month old barred rock pullet slipped in the yard and hurt her leg. At first I thought it was just a pulled muscle, but when looking at her walk I know thats not tje problem. She slides on the rug with both legs out to the side. Usually one is pointed forward and the other is pointing back. Her toes curl up and she can't grip very well with her feet. Is it possible to make her a hobble even if shes older? Or will this just make matters worse?

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[> Re: 2 month old pullet with splayed leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 08:51:43 08/15/13 Thu [1]

As always "a picture is worth more than a thousand words"
or a person doing a repair must be certain exactly what
needs to be repaired. This pullet may have an injury or she
may have a disease such as Marek's disease. Or she might
have a touch of botulism. The symptoms of botulism vary
according to how much of this toxin has been ingested. The
worst case of it will have painful muscle spasms and death,
A lessor case may involve neck twisting or leg weakness
that lasts for several weeks. These birds may recover if
given a very large amount of "tender loving care" as well
as a bit of prednisone (cortizone) multivitamins and
chopped greens of the cabbage family.
-------The clasic symptom of Marek's disease is for a bird
to have one leg forward and the other pointed back---
and some victims of botulism will be in the same position.
But both benefit from a bit of cortizone and vitamins.
This is to heal inflamed nerves that are causing the

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[> [> Re: 2 month old pullet with splayed leg -- Ashley, 15:18:02 08/15/13 Thu [1]

I emailed you two pictures of her feet. I hope they went through.

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[> [> [> Re: 2 month old pullet with splayed leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 16:13:33 08/15/13 Thu [1]

OK, Got the photos. Could not see the leg joints very well
but suspect that those joints are not the problem.
There has to be muscle weakness or more likely nerve
damage due to either disease or botulism. This is why I
will suggest the use of cortizone (prednisone) which
eases inflamation of nerves. Healing is helped by vitamins
and finely chopped raw produce (brocalli, cabbage, kale,
green bell peppers, romaine lettuce and other such things)
-----I remember a cockerel that went down with botulism
when he was just a chick. I had to hold and hand feed him
for EIGHT WEEKS. But as the hormones of puberty came they
awakened his nerves so that in a few days he went from a
helpless basket case to running around with his brothers
and sisters (none of them were ever sick)
Anyhow it is a fact that some birds will recover while
others get worse and die

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[> [> [> [> Re: 2 month old pullet with splayed leg -- Ashley (:)), 17:13:57 08/15/13 Thu [1]

Okay, thank you so much for your help. We dont have an avian vet in my town, the closest one is two hours away and wouldn't be able to help without seeing her. Would it help her if I made a hobble or wrapped her toes into the proper place? Or will that work itself out if she gets better?

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 2 month old pullet with splayed leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 18:17:54 08/15/13 Thu [1]

It is very doubtful that the "hobble brace" that is for
very young chicks would do anything but bother her. As for
wrapping toes you could try something very soft being very
careful to not restrict blood circulation and take it off
if it does not help

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: 2 month old pullet with splayed leg -- D C T--friendly poultry orthopedist, 16:25:08 01/28/14 Tue [1]

any new update on the pullet?

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Send SMS from Turkey tov the Philippines -- Sheena (joyful), 06:01:56 12/23/13 Mon [1]

This new,simple web app http://www.askimoi.com can help you send sms here in the Philippines without exposing your personal mobile number.Any language is allowed and no limit in sending as long as you have an internet connection, nobody can stop you.

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[> Re: Send SMS from Turkey tov the Philippines -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 08:11:10 12/23/13 Mon [1]

so your message is not welcome on this forum unless you
can tell me how this will help me to help people with
poultry that need my help

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ZINC NEEDED BY DUCKS -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 08:20:42 09/25/13 Wed [1]

Below I have copied and pasted an email about a duck with
some valuable information that may help others who raise


In reference to my duck born on June 30 with the leg problems. We put him in a sling at night which helped get him off his elbows and put antibiotic on his elbows to help stop infection. His legs got worse and started to swell. Yesterday I took him to my vet. He said that the legs went bad due to a ZINC DEFICIENCY and that there is nothing I could do for him at this point except put him down because the infection was in the bone and he was in pain.
He said this never used to happen because the water troughs were made of metal with a ZINC coating to stop the rust. The birds would then drink the water with the ZINC in it. But now the troughs are made of plastic so ZINC needs to be added to the water.
He said to put a couple of galvanized nails in the trough and this wouldn't happen as the birds need the ZINC for their bones.
He also said that it is very reversible if I added the ZINC as soon as I saw the legs turning in but it was too late for my duck.
I am telling you all this in hopes you might post it to help out others that don't know better and save some wonderful birds. So let us all add some galvanized nails to our water troughs. It is a good thing to do for chickens as well he said.
Thank you for your help

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, D. C. Townsend wrote:


Back in June there was another Peking duck with a problem. I communicated it to vet who formerly
worked for the Georgia state poultry lab. He brought up the fact that a duck can get excercise from
swimming which gives it an advantage over a chicken with same leg problem.

After looking at photos and thinking about it perhaps you could construct a sponge bed for night use
to encourage legs or at least rest them. I am not experience with ducks the same way I am with
chickens and peafowl so can not be certain that this would work but it should not hurt.
Much of the day the duck needs to be free to swim. Long ago when I had a crippled peacock
I made a pad for his leg joint and this let the sore on it heal so you may want to do that

If you have more questions just ask. And I always like to know "the rest of the story"

friendly poultry orthopedist
----- Original Message -----
From: Brenda Voydatch
To: townsend
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 7:34 PM
Subject: Twisted leg...Need help


I saw all of your helpful posts on VoyForum and was wondering if you could help me. My Peking was born on June 30 and everything was fine. Ducky had a fall but all appeared to be well. About a week or so later the left foot was turned in and it was getting worse as she began limping to not walking. I gave her some niacin which seemed to help and she was again up limping and holding weight. From there she has gradually been getting worst. She walks on her left elbow and her web is always closed. Now she walks on her right elbow as well and that web she keeps closed. The left leg from the elbow up appears to be twisted and growing upward. She hobbles on her elbow where she is getting a sore. I have to bring her to the food as she doesn't want to expend the energy to get there. Once she has eaten she revives and struggles to get with the other ducks. Put her in water and she comes to life and has so much fun. She breathes heavy and is lower in the water than the others but still loves it. What can I do. She was our first one hatched at home. Please help.
Thank you

Link to pictures -> http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/trustGodsees/library/Duckys%20Bad%20Leg?sort=3&page=1

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Injured Pet Chicken -- Colleen Ryman, 20:20:58 09/16/13 Mon [3]

Hepl! My Pearl started with unstable gait to limping to hopping to non-contact to ground to knuckling left foot when walking but still unstable. Vet said neurological. This little girl is not ready to throw in the towel. How can I help her? Chicken sandal? There was an apparent injury. Please advise, thanks.

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[> Re: Injured Pet Chicken -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:02:10 09/16/13 Mon [1]

How old is Pearl? Did your vet prescribe any cortizone
(Prednisone) or B-complex vitamins to heal the inflamed
I like to know as much as possible about a bird before
giving advice. And a picture is worth a thousand words

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[> [> Re: Injured Pet Chicken -- Colleen Ryman, 20:05:47 09/17/13 Tue [1]

Pearl was hatched approximately mid June 2013. She and a hatch mate were purchased together. Pearl was the larger of the two. Today Pearl is the smallest. The vet prescribed an antibiotic to use in their water. Nothing else. I have been feeding her separate as she is pushed around by the others. At night she sleeps in the house as she has no meat on her bones.
During the day she is with the others to maintain her identity. Pearl is a happy spirited youg lady and I would rather not put her down. I will try to capture photos and possibly video and send them your way. Thanks for listening to Pearls needs.

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[> [> [> Re: Injured Pet Chicken -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 21:55:04 09/17/13 Tue [1]

You are welcome. I exist to serve my Creator by helping His
most helpless creatures. I always suggest feeding chopped
hard boiled eggs and raw green leafy vegetables finely
chopped and served fresh daily. (cabbage, kale, collards
and brocali.)Onions are good, too, and chickens like them.

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pullet with injured leg -- Cathy (concerned), 16:20:49 09/13/13 Fri [1]

One of my chickens injured her leg. It goes backwards from where it attaches to her body. If she tries very hard she can move it forward some, but it does not bend, so will only go so far. I have tried splinting, using a sling with her suspended; but have not had good luck. She flaps and flaps her wings until she gets out and exhausts herself. (I feel like I'm torturing her when I am trying to help.) She gets around by just flapping her wings and using the one good leg. Should I just give up and keep her in the smaller coop with a couple of companions? Thank you for any ideas.

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[> Re: pullet with injured leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 19:03:15 09/13/13 Fri [1]

Hmmmmm.....I suspect that paralysis could be the problem.
Paralysis can be caused by Marek's disease or mild case
of botulism (a severe case is fatal--often on the day you
discover it) If a bird survives it may recover the use of
the leg

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i think our Turkey may have a broken leg -- Valorie, 11:24:25 09/06/13 Fri [2]

I noticed our turkey Tom's foot is bent upside down at the base joint. Could this be dislocated or broken. How can we fix it. He is a wonderful pet. Will email pictures if you email me address to send them.

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[> Re: i think our Turkey may have a broken leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 19:02:39 09/06/13 Fri [1]

you can get my email address by clicking my name where it
appears in blue print. Then follow the instructions that
Of course I wish to help your turkey if it is possible

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[> [> Re: i think our Turkey may have a broken leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 08:46:19 09/10/13 Tue [1]

Actually I DID EMAIL YOU but HAVE NOT heard from you

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Turkey chick leg problems please help! -- Stephen Greengrass (Sad for our little chick), 09:14:58 08/02/13 Fri [1]

Please please help me save our little turkey chick who we have grown very fond of. I feel Im at the end of the road and will need to end his life for his sake as he has no quality in his life. When he was born 2 months ago one leg was twisted outwards but he didnt seem in pain and limped around quite happily. Lately however his other leg seems to have gone bad and he cannot put pressure on it. He now uses his wing bless him as a crutch to get around. He is eating very well and drinking and growing but I feel his quality of life is terrible as he cant move around and peck and forage like the others do. Since reading your forum last night we but him in a chair made from a tea cosy with his feet just touching the ground without weight on them and are feeding and watering him by hand. I took some photos last night of his legs from side and behind and we are all hoping you can tell us how to fix our dear little friend up so that we dont have to have him put down. Hoping you can help us out and if you need anymore information or photos please let me know. I uploaded the photos here http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/stevegreengrass/library/Turkey%20leg%20problems

Kindest Regards
Steve, Anna and our little turkey chick named Sparticus

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[> Re: Turkey chick leg problems please help! -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 16:16:58 08/02/13 Fri [1]

OK, I answered this one by email but for other readers
finding this--here is the rest of the story. Poor
Sparticus was too old and too big for me to help I am VERY
sad to say. Turkeys, especially the large breeds grow fast
and the bigger a bird is the harder it is to treat it.

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Rhode Island Red not walking -- Deanne (sad I don't know what to do), 14:23:02 07/03/13 Wed [1]

We purchased Ginger and a buff at the same time.Approx same size. We kept them both together in a separate cage so they could all acclimate to the other two girls. They were never together. A few days later we noticed Ginger was limping so we took her out and brought her into the house with us. This is now 3 weeks and she seems worse. Ginger holds her left leg straight out and sometimes her right leg way back, like the splits, ballerina style. Her foot on top looks bruised, she does not have any foot grasp at all on that side, does not move her "knee" or hip what could have happened and what do we do? We are new to backyard chickens, just building them a real house now. Ginger is so sweet..help I would guess she is about 4 months old

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[> Re: Rhode Island Red not walking -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 16:44:23 07/03/13 Wed [1]

This might be Marek's disease. Sometimes a chicken does
recover when given much loving care but this is often
fatal. You can aend me a photo of her if you wish.

I, too have loved and lost victims of Marek's disease

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4 day old chick, dislocated leg? -- Jen, 18:27:08 06/27/13 Thu [2]

I have a SS chick that hatched on Saturday 6/22. Have kept momma hen and chicks in the coop until they got a little bigger, let them out for the first time on Wednesday afternoon 6/26. At night during lock up, had to put momma and chicks in the coop, as they were laying on the ground. I discovered the chick has something wrong with it's right leg. I checked it out closer this morning 6/27. Leg does not feel broken, but it is turned around completely. Foot still faces the ground, leg points directly backwards. Chick was perfectly normal prior, no assisted hatching. Not sure if momma Orp stepped on it or if it fell off the ramp or ??? I'd hate to have to put an otherwise healthy chick down if it is fixable. Kept chicks with momma in the coop today.

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[> Re: 4 day old chick, dislocated leg? -- Jen, 18:45:13 06/27/13 Thu [1]

Disregard. I just went to the coop and found the chick had died, laying on it's back. Kinda like a stuck turtle.

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[> Re: 4 day old chick, dislocated leg? -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 18:47:52 06/27/13 Thu [1]

I need to see photos of the leg made close up. Photos can
be put at villagephotos.com or photobucker or you can
email to me by clicking on my name and following the
instructions that appear.

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Marin found hanging by hock in coop -- Betsy, 09:07:26 06/24/13 Mon [5]

One of our 2 month old Marin's was found hanging upside down by her hock from an "s" hook in the coop yesterday morning. She survived this but we don't know how long she was hanging. Obviously she was flapping around because the water was completely empty and the wood chips were bare on the coop floor below her. We got her down and placed her in a separate cage with food and water. Her foot was swollen as was her leg. It was sticking out yesterday but by 5 pm her leg was under her and she was trying to move/stand. Upon picking her up I did noticed that her hock is still swollen. Should I make a sling or continue to let her rest? After reading many of your posts I wonder if its the Achilles. I don't think it's broken because she is trying to move. Any thoughts?

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[> Re: Marin found hanging by hock in coop -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 17:59:15 06/24/13 Mon [1]

Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.....and then
sometimes something that you thought could not go wrong
went wrong anyhow. Which explains the hanging. You might
want to use a body sling. you might want to take photos
closeup of the hurt hock joint to post on villagephotos.
com or send to me

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[> [> Re: Marin found hanging by hock in coop -- Betsy (Upset!), 18:38:21 06/24/13 Mon [1]

Oh boy....you're not kidding! In 9 years we've never had problems with "s" hooks! We switched them to the clips that are closed....no more of that! Talk about scary. Went out before my Dr. appt and ever so gently straightened her leg to the back. She just sat there. I went out after my physical therapy (knee replacement) and tended to my baby again. I made her some scrambled eggs and got some Nutri-Drench. She's eating and drinking and talking up a storm! I have a fan on her due to the heat wave. When I got out there she was standing! Say what? I picked her up....and straightened her leg gently again. She stood up for a bit, walked slowly to her food dish and sat back down. Not really sure what to think. I'll take some photos when I go back out to check on her. Will a sling put more pressure on her leg? Since she's moving around now.....should I just wait to see?

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[> [> [> Re: Marin found hanging by hock in coop -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 08:52:21 06/25/13 Tue [1]

I am happy with your update. It is good to know that she
is in good hands and recovering. No, she will not need the
body sling.
So you have a "new" knee and I have an old knee injury
that still hurts in bad weather. I like to say that this
injury(1980) is the only thing that I have that is older
than my car (1981)....anyhow both run some of the time.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Marin found hanging by hock in coop -- Betsy, 09:43:06 06/25/13 Tue [1]

Oh boy, you made me laugh! All I can say is that knee replacement (for me) has been awful! At 50.....I should have waited but old injuries ruined my knee.

As far as our baby, she was standing up this morning, talking a mile a minute. I gave her some scrambled eggs and she inhaled them. After a bit she laid back down. I'm thinking that I need to keep her in the cage for a bit more then let her back in with her family when she seems to be standing more. Im thinking that being young, resting and supplements helped her to heal faster. I just dont want to put her back too soon. She is being
pampered....as all of our birds are! Thanks for your help.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Marin found hanging by hock in coop -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:40:31 06/25/13 Tue [1]

Betsy, you are welcome. I exist to serve my Creator by
helping His most helpless creatures. My reward is to hear
that some of those creatures do indeed benefit from my
So far I have avoided having my body parts replaced having
heard unhappy stories about those man made parts. One of my
older cousins was overweight and she raised six children
each of them born by C-section. Poor dear person had more
than one knee joint replacement but she has moved on to
meet our Maker.
But if you are 50 I would have been 19 when you were a
Somebody told me that "Life begins and 40" but somebody
forgot to finish with "it begins to fall apart"

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Two chicks with leg issues. Please help! -- Mica, 02:27:41 06/20/13 Thu [4]

We recently "rescued" several chicks from a local farm supply store. Almost all of them have fully recovered, and have been adopted out. We are currently taking care of one with a broken leg, and one born with a birth defect due to nutritional deficiency according to the vet. Both are eating and drinking well, and have shown major signs of improvement. I don't know much about chickens, but I want to help these babies as much as possible. If there is anything I could do to possibly improve their chances or quality of life, I'm ready and willing. If you could check out this video & let me know if you have any thoughts or suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!


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[> Re: Two chicks with leg issues. Please help! -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 08:53:57 06/20/13 Thu [1]

are you certain that the first chick has broken leg....???
because it has a displaced Achilles tendon and may also
have a twisted tibia.
The most common way for Achilles tendon to become displaced
is during hatching as the chick is kicking loose from the
eggshell. Or it can be displaced by injury. When this is
found on the same day it happens it can be put back in
place very easily so that it often is completely "cured"
or it may need 12 hours of rest in a body sling or "chair".
But after just a few days of no treatment the chick'a
struggle to walk will cause injury, inflammation and
swelling that makes it nearly impossible to ever get that
tendon back in place (the "place" is filled in by
You can make a closeup photo of that leg joint from the
rear and send it to me or post on villagephotos.com.
You can try pulling leg straight out behind chick to see
if tendon will move to center of joint but stop if chick
shows signs of pain.
-----some years back I had a peachick that acted like it
had that deficiancy like your second chick. It just lay
on its side and trembled. I put it in a "chick chair"
and delivered its food and water by hand. Also gave it
Bionate (pet vitamin mineral supplement) and after a few
days that peachick fought its way out of chair and was
To get my email address just click on my name where it is
printed in blue letters

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[> [> Re: Two chicks with leg issues. Please help! -- Mica, 17:06:52 06/20/13 Thu [1]

Thank you. I'm in the process of finishing "chick chairs" for them. I'll send you pics of "Rhodie" from behind shortly. My understanding is that the injury occurred 2 1/2 to 3 weeks ago. We only have one local vet that would even look at them. While I consider him quite competent, by his own admission, he is not a poultry/avian expert. She seems happy enough for the time being, but I'd like to give her the best opportunity to recover. I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to chickens! Your time and knowledge mean a lot. Thank you!!!

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[> [> Re: Two chicks with leg issues. Please help! -- Mica, 20:31:01 06/20/13 Thu [1]

Rhodie does *not* like to sit still for pictures! lol. If you need a different angle, just let me know and I'll do my best.


Thank you again for your help!

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[> [> [> Re: Two chicks with leg issues. Please help! -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 21:59:30 06/23/13 Sun [1]

You are welcome. Are all those leg photos from just one
chick? Sorry but I got confused because some photos of
leg joint look worse than others but could just be the
angle photo was taken from. The chick is too old to have
Achilles tendon repositioned by my methods. And if the
tendon is out of place then twisted tibia can not be
How is the chick that had the nutrition problem?

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Peachick leg problems -- Mindy Knox, 15:34:01 06/20/13 Thu [3]

Help! Just noticed that several of my 4,3, and 2 week old Peachicks are showing signs that their legs are turning outward. I just moved them to a wire bottom gage 3 days ago, and they definitely were not like this before the move.Could the wire bottom be parthttp://s1346.photobucket.com/user/dylansmom8/media/2013_0620_141413_zps7b61e85a.jpg.html of the problem?

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[> Re: Peachick leg problems -- Mindy Knox, 15:37:59 06/20/13 Thu [1]

When you go to the photobucket pic check the previous pics there are several pics on there of the problem legs. I'm desperate to know what this is and what to do for them?

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[> [> Re: Peachick leg problems -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 17:35:42 06/20/13 Thu [1]

I doubt that the wire bottom is the cause. But when I use
a mini-coop with hardware cloth bottom I always prevent
feet from having contact with wire by covering floor with
paper feed bag but now that paper has been replaced with
plastic weave I use large cat food bags (paper).
Anyhow I see evidence of "twisted tibia". Twisted tibia
is certain to get worse if not given effective treatment.
I use the "night taping" method which I first used on a
two week old pea pullet named Firestone for a tire brand
that had a bad defect in the year that she hatched.
Firestone is an old peahen with NO defect in legs.
You are going to want to know all about "night taping"
but I am about to go to a Church supper so must get
going. But I hope to be back online later tonight.
But while I am gone you can read the other posts on my
forum. The topic of twisted tibia comes up way too often.
And I have just ONE method of treating it.

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[> [> [> Re: Peachick leg problems -- Mindy, 20:39:46 06/20/13 Thu [1]

Hi, I got your email and just sent you a reply to it as well as some pics of my attempt to night tape. Thanks for the help!

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2 month old peking with leg problem -- Lisa (Upset and frustrated), 15:25:33 06/18/13 Tue [3]

I have an approximately 2 month old peking duck... ten in all, but only one with this particular problem. Initially she was fine, with the exception of only being born with one eye... she was walking fine and her legs and feet looked completely normal. After about a month into it her right leg and foot started turning in a little and her hock and thigh felt very warm to the touch. I asked the agway store where I got the duck from what to do and they suggested giving her penicillin as she needed an antibiotic. I did that for 14 days to no avail, I continued looking for help as her leg started getting worse and worse... I'm finding now I think she may have a niacin deficiency, she has the same symptoms. So I'm giving her supplements now but her leg has become terrible in the meantime. Her leg is bent up as if she is in sitting down position, she can barely walk on it because she holds it so close to her body and her toes are curled right in. Someone had just suggested getting a duck boot for her at tractor supply but I cannot find that product either in the store or online there. Please... any help would be so greatly apprectiated. I don't want it to be too late to help her to have a somewhat normal leg and be able to walk on it. I'm so frustrated I've been trying to get her help since this began and instead am only able to sit by and watch it get worse. I've tried vets in the area but there aren't any that I've found that have the knowledge or are willing to work with a duck. Please advise and thank you!!

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[> Re: 2 month old peking with leg problem -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 18:05:23 06/18/13 Tue [1]

I have sent email to someone who knows more about
medications and suppliments than I do and will pass this
information to you if I get it.
Meanwhile I have never heard of anywhere you can buy a duck
boot. When you need a device for poultry orthopedics you
have to create it with your own hands or find a friend who
is handy at making things so that what is made fits the
duck that you have.

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[> [> Re: 2 month old peking with leg problem -- Lisa, 20:54:39 06/18/13 Tue [1]

Thank you so much for your timely reply. I'm with you on the duck boot... I've searched everything online and otherwise and cannot find any sign of this thing. Can you recommend what I can make to help her? Such as making leg hobbles/hobble brace or a leg splint? That used along with chick shoes/taping? I was going to make a splint for her but wasn't sure if I would be causing anymore harm to her. Any advice at all you can give... I would be so grateful! I'm having such a hard time finding help from anyone and its just so frustrating watching her get bigger and bigger and her foot getting worse as she goes. I'm afraid once she's full grown I won't be able to do anything to help her at that point. Again... thank you so much for all your help!

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[> [> [> Re: 2 month old peking with leg problem -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:22:40 06/18/13 Tue [1]

You are welcome. I exist to serve my Creator by helping
His most helpless creatures. I sent you an email with information from a vet. You can email photos of that duck's
legs to him and/or to me.

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Broken foot -- Kristie, 19:54:10 06/12/13 Wed [4]

One of my birds who is about 3 months old ha a cinder block fall on her foot and crush it today. She will not walk on it and keeps her leg pulled up but her toes are all curled under and she will hop on her good leg. She lays on the ground and is still eating and drinking. I am worried about her and don't want her to be lame. How can I help her and will she heal and walk again.

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[> Re: Broken foot -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:38:37 06/12/13 Wed [1]

Bird?....chicken, turkey, peafowl, guinea, or pheasant???
OK, whatever it is that bird will feel pain. As much as I
do not like pain---the pain encourages the victim of
injury to rest the hurting part. A broken toe needs to be
taped into the shape you want it to be after it heals.
You can check my article for a picture of a "chick shoe"
that is for straightening toes or you can email me so that
I can email this picture.
I had an adult peacock with a broken toe (bent to one
side) I cut a splint from a plastic bottle--a straight
flat piece that I taped to the bottom of the toe.
After a week I removed the splint and his toe bent the
other way. So I taped the splint on again and when I
removed it that peacock's toe was straight and has stayed
that way.
You can email photo of your bird's toe to me if you want
me to look at it. Just click on my name where it is
printed in blue letters

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[> [> Re: Broken foot -- Kristie, 07:19:01 06/13/13 Thu [1]

Sorry chicken. A Rhode Island Red. It seems to be her whole foot. She was standing on one foot this morning but hobbling. I'll get a picture when I am home from work later today. She seems in good spirits and is eating. I even saw her use her wing to balance.

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[> [> [> Re: Broken foot -- Kristie, 22:30:10 06/14/13 Fri [1]

I haven't gotten a pic yet but am worried since she won't even try to put pressure on it and now her toes are staying close together. Should I leave them be or separate her toes? I don't want to hurt her and know she is uncomfortable. But I don't want her to be lame either. I called a local vet but have not heard back yet. I have read they will heal on their own but want to make sure she is as comfortable as possible. Any advice would be appreciated.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Broken foot -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:40:36 06/14/13 Fri [1]

you can try taping toes to hold them in normal position
and you could try resting her in a body sling

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Help us! Chicken with broken tail. -- Tammy Wisecup (:~( <:(), 15:52:23 06/14/13 Fri [1]

Chicken is now 3 months old, notice after accident 3-4 weeks ago that his/her tail was bending to side, each day more so. Now tail bent completely over to side. Looks like lower end of spine involved. Moves around great but looks like getting slightly difficult. Please don't tell us to put her/him down cause I am a nurse and can not do that! The chicken follow us and likes us more than the other chickens. Would like instructions on splinting. I know it is not a baby but is still a growing runt. It has not yet lost some of baby feathers. These are buckeye chickens and mature slowly. I think it is wry tail via an accident. :(

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[> Re: Help us! Chicken with broken tail. -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 21:05:33 06/14/13 Fri [1]

hmmmmmm........I have not treated a broken tail before.
Broken toes, legs and wings but this is new to me. I do not
think that a chicken would die from a broken tail. Some
taping may help. You can send me a photo by email or post
at villagephotos.com or photobucket and post the link here.
I will try to help you and your chicken. I certainly see
NO need to kill the chicken if that chicken is willing to
hold onto life. After all, this forum is for people that
love their poultry enough to find me.

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chick joint different from others -- bigtree, 17:55:04 06/09/13 Sun [1]

I am worried this is not spayed leg but something more. The knee joint looks much wider. The chick is not standing. I have a good picture.

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[> Re: chick joint different from others -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 19:52:55 06/09/13 Sun [1]

I suspect that the Achilles tendons are displaced and I do
need to see photo of legs taken close up from the rear of
the legs

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chicken with pulled tenon or ligament -- diane davis (??), 13:57:54 05/28/13 Tue [3]

hi have a little sebring chicken who caught her leg and now wont set it down for long. she hobbles and i took her to the vet to see if she broke a bone, he said no, but it may be a ligament.,
called vet to see cost of torn legament surgery, $500? well, what will happen if there is no surgery?vet suggested putting her down, (vet tech) said their legs hard to repair, what should i do? dont want to put her down.

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[> Re: chicken with pulled tenon or ligament -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 14:11:08 05/28/13 Tue [1]

You could begin by taking close up photos of the legs from
the rear or even i-phone video clip of her trying to walk.
These can be posted at villagephotos.com or photobucket
and the link put here--OR--just email to me by clicking on
my name where it is printed in blue.
Then I can give suggestions for treatment. Meanwhile a
chick chair or body sling can give her legs a chance to
rest and heal. And all this will NOT cost even one penny.

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[> [> Re: chicken with pulled tenon or ligament -- DIANE DAVIS (HOPE), 14:21:40 05/28/13 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> Re: chicken with pulled tenon or ligament -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 15:20:33 05/28/13 Tue [1]

A body sling is made from cloth such as an old tee shirt
or whatever you have. Cut two leg holes and a hole for
manure to fall through and hang this in box low enough for
the feet to touch because birds do hate it if feet are
dangling above the floor.

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Hock problem 4 wk. old -- Vt chicken, 18:06:16 05/26/13 Sun [2]

I have a 4 wk. old Maran with, what looks like, hock problems. Both hocks are affected, and he looks like he's got bowed legs.. Just started about 1 1/2 weeks ago...before that I didn't notice any problems. I can't feel if he needs his joints put back in place, as both feel the same. He is walking, eating and drinking. Advice please!

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[> Re: Hock problem 4 wk. old -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 19:13:43 05/26/13 Sun [1]

I need to see a photo of those hocks close up from the
rear. Photo can be put at villagephotos.com or emailed to
me by clicking on my name

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[> [> Re: Hock problem 4 wk. old -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 21:40:05 05/26/13 Sun [1]

After seeing the photo you sent me........
it is obvious that the Achilles tendons are in normal
position and not the problem. The joints are puffy from
some internal problem such as inflamation or disease
which may be the reason for the bow legs. I do not know if
some Predisone could relieve the inflamation or not. If you
live in a state with poultry labs you might find help from
them. These exist in states with large poultry industries
such as Georgia.

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leg/foot problem -- josh (upset), 04:05:12 05/22/13 Wed [4]

I bought a few chickens sunday got them home after 4 hour drive 2 4 week old chicks was in a box with plenty of shaveings but may have moved around due to wifes driving. One of the chicks doesn't want to use it's one leg really and both feet seem to not have that much grip strength. the bad leg has none. Here is a little video I took and posted to youtube of the chick. http://youtu.be/2pNtQAugyik

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[> Re: leg/foot problem -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 08:58:17 05/22/13 Wed [1]

I have viewed the video several times backing up and
stopping -- trying to see the rear side of hock joint--
but my view was obscured by feathers. What I was trying to
see was the Achilles tendon's position since this may
(or may not) be the problem.
Shavings underfoot can be slippery and may have caused the
problem. Or the chick may just be weak from some illness.
You could try taking a stiil photo of the rear of the
hock joint, close up, with feathers pushed out of the

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[> [> Re: leg/foot problem -- josh, 11:56:40 05/22/13 Wed [1]

Ok I took pics but don't have a site to upload just pics so I turned them into a video. each pic has 7 sec on it and there is like 7 pictures on the video. If you need a different angle or part let me know.

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[> Re: leg/foot problem -- josh, 14:26:06 05/22/13 Wed [1]

Also it sleeps with it's leg out to side almost like it's trying to keep it's leg extended. no grip in claw though. wont even try to perch on finger so I leave it on ground. just noticed the littler chick with it sitting by leg so took it out since that cant be good for it eather.

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[> [> Re: leg/foot problem -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 15:40:45 05/22/13 Wed [1]

The good news is that the Achilles tendon is NOT the
problem but that leaves us puzzled over what the problem
is. I wonder if the chick is weak from illness or if there
is "twisted tibia" (tibia is the part called "drumstick"
by the Kenucky Fried Chicken place). I have a method for
treating twisted tibia that often cures baby poultry.
Photos can be emailed directly to me by clicking on my
name at top of post in blue print or the address on the
message I sent to you.
I need to learn how to upload to You Tube. I have some old
VHS video of orthopedic methods and a very new little
device for formatting to DVD that I have not had time to
take out of its package....because I keep getting older and
slower. But NO video for "twisted tibia" because I learned
that cure after my old camcorder was beyond repair.

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Straight swollen leg with curled toes on straddle legged chick -- Sharon (Kids are so Worried), 19:18:02 05/14/13 Tue [2]

I sent you an email with pics but thought I'd post here as well in case it could help others. Ive been to voy.com and cant find this particular problem. I was hoping you could help me. This chick hatched on Friday with a little help. Its three siblings died in shell before sack was pulled in so I couldnt have helped them hatch. But he was straddle legged to either side. I was out of town over weekend and my brother didnt know what to do. On Monday after researching I put a band-aid hobble on his legs, but he fell to his side and couldnt get up. So more research and I ended up putting him in a coffee cup on a sock so he would be able to get traction and left him in the cup (feeding and watering every so often). Today I took the hobble off him because he still refused to stand. This is what I observe. His left leg seems normal, bends at all the right places. His right leg remains straight and his feet curled he will not stand on it and will not bend it. It is moveable because he kicks with it when on his back (albeit straight even while kicking). Both legs tend to kick out to the side. When I put him on his feet and push the feet to the correct position under him, the right foot kicks out and the left foot pushes him over on his side. I think that if the right foot were held stationary he would go in circles. In the pictures you can see how the right foot does not bend, it seems straight and pointed in the correct direction. It is slightly swollen and darker than the other leg. It had purplish toenails, but I massaged the leg and bent the joint (gently without force) and now the nails are clear but leg is darker. I hope you can help.

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[> Re: Straight swollen leg with curled toes on straddle legged chick -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 23:03:39 05/14/13 Tue [1]


You are right--No chick with this problem has been mentioned on my forum. I haved worked with chicks
in the distant past that had simular problem. Either the muscles, tendons or ligaments in the back of
the leg were too short to permit bending and some of those were stricken by botulism with muscle
spasms binding the leg. Since your chick has not had much opportunity to get any botulism toxin I
would suspect problem from cramped position in eggshell.
I remember getting a plastic half gallon milk jug and a good pair of scissors. I cut the handle from
the jug, got a marker and drew line on the handle around the part I needed for a brace.
Look at the jug handle of ordinary plastic half gallon. See the bend in that handle where it matches
the bend of a normal chick's hock joint. Then plan a brace to go on the back of the chick's leg
to hold it in the normal bent position.
Now draw and cut your brace. Then tape it to the back of the leg.
For the toes go to my article
and make a chick shoe for the toes and if you have any questions just ask

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[> [> Re: Straight swollen leg with curled toes on straddle legged chick -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 07:59:27 05/16/13 Thu [1]

I gave instructions by email after photos were sent to me.
But even with the best of care the chick died.
The problem may have been from the incubation of the egg.

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twisted tibia in 4 week old chick -- Fleen, 23:07:38 05/09/13 Thu [1]

Hi there. Im looking for some help with a four week old male araucana chick. I came home yesterday to find (what was a perfectly healthy chick in the morning) now had one leg that stuck out to the side on a 90 degree angle, and was hobbling. They are not on slippery bedding material in the brooder, they eat only chick starter, and occasional baby crickets as treats and have been vaccinated for mareks. I checked for slipped tendon but the hock does not appear flat, and the toes dont point upwards.
At this age, is there any hope for orthapaedics, like you would with a young chick? can it be corrected? Im confident I caught it straight away, as they were fine in the morning.I have made a hobble using vetwrap, but the twisted leg is so severe that it pulls the good one so far over, and he overbalances and cant walk at all. Is anything further necessary, like a chick chair as well or can i leave him hobbled for a few days and see how we go? thanks in advance for any help.

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[> Re: twisted tibia in 4 week old chick -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 09:12:02 05/10/13 Fri [1]

I need to see photo of the legs, close up from rear. Each
"patient" is an individual with its own individual needs.
Photo can be stored at villagephotos.com or photobucket
and the link posted here or you can email to me.

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Slipped achilles -- Sam, 21:25:33 05/08/13 Wed [1]

My 3 week old cuckoo maran stopped using her left leg. I hadn't noticed any problems previously. The more I read, the more I think it's a slipped achilles. When I go to "pop it back in" but hold the highest part of her leg and slowing pulling her leg back (like she's stretching) by holding by the joint right a over her foot, I can't seem to find if the tendon has slipped back in. I feel the other leg for comparison. Her joint isn't too swollen; I'm pretty sure it occurred within the past few hours. I has built. Little "chick chair" of sorts. iCal wondering if I have stretched her leg as I described and now have her set up in the chair, what next? Do I confine her in the chair. Do I only keep her in it for a few hours?
Is there anything I can look for that suggest healing?
I've read as much as I can find on the net, but I'm not sure how long she's in the chair for. I have a photo if it helps.

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[> Re: Slipped achilles -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:43:38 05/08/13 Wed [1]

A close up photo of the hock joints taken from the rear
would help me understand your chick's problem.

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HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 13:34:30 04/24/13 Wed [19]

Can you help us? A kindergarten classroom hatched chicks. The teacher helped one out of the shell. Knowing that I was a doctor (like that helps with baby chicks) she asked me to look at it on day 2. I researched and it looked like spraddle leg of both legs and also bumblefoot of the left foot. I started a bandaid on day 2 of life and then moved to coban wrap. She has been in the hobble for 5 days now. She can walk but the legs are still in the wrong position. I put a sandle on her foot and that looks much better. She is eating and drinking well. I was careful not to be tight with the wrap and although the skin looks ok without irritation she seems to have some wasting where she was wrapped- the legs look skinnier than the other chicks. Can you help? Not sure what else to do?

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[> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 13:40:59 04/24/13 Wed [1]

sorry i made a mistake- not bumble foot- curled foot is what she had.

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[> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 19:11:46 04/24/13 Wed [1]

have you read my article?
I think that you need to take close up photos of the
problem areas. You can post them at villagephotos.com or
photobucket and put link to them here.
Or just email them to me

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[> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 22:05:04 04/24/13 Wed [1]

Here are images of the hobble that we were using. These were taking after having a hobble on for two days.



Here a video of her almost walking on the second day with a hobble:

Here are images of her legs taken today. We removed the hobble temporarily for the images. So, this is after 6 consecutive days in a hobble:



She currently has a hobble on (using a band aid). The band aid hobble has a slightly narrower gap and seems to be making it more difficult for her to balance and walk. We are thinking that the hobble with the yellow coban allows her more freedom to balance, but doesn't seem to be making enough of a correction. The chick is 8 days old now and has had a hobble on for 6 days.

She has also been wearing a tape-sandal to correct the curled toes. It seems to be helping. However, she went today without a sandal and the back toe is curled under again. The drawing below shows the foot shape before we began using the sandle. The toes are still a little too close, but the main problem now is the back toe folding under.


How long do you recommend that we keep trying? She tumbles a good deal of the time and we are concerned about her quality of life. Is some deformation of the legs something that she can in-time manage. We would really like to do what we can, but of course do not want to prolong unnecessary suffering.

Many thanks for your help.

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[> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 23:22:35 04/24/13 Wed [1]

You are welcome. I exist to serve my Creator by helping His
most helpless creatures. The bent under back toe can be
treated by taping on something such as a match stick or
a split soda straw or a pipe cleaner cut to reach from the
middle front toe to the back toe--holding it straight.
this chick has twisted tibia which is a treatable condition
in birds as young as this one.
Tibia is the bone often called "drum stick" by sellers of
fried chicken. Twisted tibia can be mistaken for straddle
Treatment takes around five or seven days and often
brings a complete cure. One leg is wrapped in sponge to
keep the hock joints from pressing eachother as the
lower legs are taped together from ankle up to hock joints.
This is to be for half of each day --twelve hours taped
and twelve hours free of tape. I prefer to do the taping
at night while chick rests so chick can be up in daytime
If you have any questions just ask

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 23:59:52 04/24/13 Wed [1]

Thank you so much! We have slept very little for days because we couldn't just let this little creature starve to death in the classroom. Finding you is a blessing.

Could you describe the sponge a little more? Any pictures or drawings? Cut a hole in a sponge and put around the leg? Would it be just above the joint up to the body? I am ready to do it now but not totally sure how to do it. Continue with a bandaid from ankle to joint or go back to the yellow coban wrap we used?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 00:30:29 04/25/13 Thu [1]

also, how close should the bottom legs be taped together?

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 01:15:48 04/25/13 Thu [1]

A quick update...

Here is a picture of what we have done so far. We just aren't sure how close together to bring the feet. Also, is the idea that we immobilize her for the 12 hours that she has the foam and taped legs ... for example, with a rolled towel making a donut shape around here so that her body can mostly rest on the rolled towel to sleep - along those lines? Many, many thanks.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 01:23:04 04/25/13 Thu [1]

Sorry to post again. Do we also need to make sure that the middle toe is point forward when the legs are taped?

We have also noticed that we can feel a slight click up near the left femur at times when we are assisting her to stand or walk. Is that worrisome?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 09:30:38 04/25/13 Thu [1]

Amy, After my last post I went to bed but am back now and
looked at the chick's photo. Must try to explain better how
to place the sponge wrap and tape.
Wrap one leg in sponge from ankle up past hock joint.
Bring lower legs (the scale covered shin bones)together so
that they touch and wrap with tape from ankles to hock
This is why I gave warning about drowning hazard.
The chick will be down and struggling.
It is the action of the chick's muscles that pull the
tibia bones straight.
I may be able to find photos in my computer files to
send you but must go offline now. I hope to return
tonight to check on this forum and my emails

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 10:48:47 04/25/13 Thu [1]

We are really grateful for your help.

Okay, I think I understand now. The foam covers the full length of one leg - from above the foot to up past the hock (so essentially mostly covering the Metatarsus and the Tibia as seen in this image: http://windward.hawaii.edu/people/brian_richardson/chickens/images/Chicken_Anatomy_Large.jpg). The legs still need to be able to bend at the hock though (the joint where the Metatarsus and Tibia meet). The legs are then taped together so that the ankles (Metatarsus) are actually right next to each other (with NO gap as with the typical bandaid style hobble). The foam is to prevent bruising and injury from the legs being so close together. Do I have all that right?

Last night, we rigged up a sling-in-a-bowl so that the chick could rest and sleep in an upright position (as apposed to flopping about on her side). We tried to adjust the height of the sling material (flexible cloth bandage) so that she could rest her weight on it to sleep, but could also stand and carry the weight on her legs. If she began to tumble, the sling would catcher her. She of course tried to flap her way out a few times, so we kept a close eye on her. We also took her out throughout the night to give food and water, so she is using her leg muscles then as well. It would seem that the sling and assisted feedings would still get her using her muscles to help twist the tibia (yes?). I just hate the idea of her struggling and laying on the ground for 12 hours. Do you think the sling approach will still get the muscles to twist the tibia?

Here are a few images of the sling-in-a-bowl:




Thanks again so much for your help. It is greatly appreciated.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 10:52:23 04/25/13 Thu [1]

Sorry, I replied to the wrong message....

I'm not sure why the link to the skeleton did not work above. Hopefully this one will:


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 12:51:59 04/25/13 Thu [1]

Also, here is a short video of the chick after taking the tape off this morning in case it is helpful at all.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 20:41:07 04/25/13 Thu [1]

Well, Doctor Amy, your padded bowl looked very comfortable
and reminds me of a padded basket that I had years ago
when a cockerel went down with botulism and I spent eight
weeks having to firmly hold and hand feed him before he
Your video shows me that more treatment sessions will be
needed as predicted. The first time I used what I call the
"night taping method" I had a two week old peachick that I
named Firestone for the bad defect that this tire brand
had that year. She had been treated for some minor
problems and was cured of those when a tibia twisted
possibly from the irritation of the devices that had
cured her other problems. Each night I taped her at
bedtime and then removed tape in morning. A total of
five nights with NO more treatment. Firestone is now an
old peahen with perfect feet and legs. Since then this
method has been used on various species of poultry.
But there was a bantam cockerel that was brought to me
and left here. First I had to repair a displaced
Achilles tendon which took a very long hard week. After
that his right tibia twisted severly and I spent a whole
miserable month using an experimental device to put
pressure on just the bad leg each night. The cure was
complete but he grew up to flog my ankles every time
I go into his pen--NO good deed goes unpunished

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 21:17:57 04/25/13 Thu [1]

Thank you so much! She has had a very happy day today and already I think walking better!!! I am so sorry to ask this so many times but I sent the photo of how we did the sponge and the tape and I think you are saying we didn't get it quite right. I am VERY nervous about letting her flop around all night so I am glad you like the sling. I was worried she needed to flop to use muscles more but even in the sling she does bear weight so I think it does the same thing.

So my big question left is how exactly tonight I should tape her up? I can't visualize how to put a sponge around the whole leg yet let it bend at the hock? Do you have any photo or drawing or are you OK with what we did?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:10:59 04/25/13 Thu [1]

OK, am glad you asked. -- There should be no tape above the
hock joint. Keep the tape off of that chick fuzz.
I did search computer for photo of "night taping" but did
not find it yet. I have had a busy day.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 23:28:29 04/29/13 Mon [1]

So we almost gave up. We decided to try at least 2 nights of taping and then decide what was best for the poor little thing. I taped the legs together and suspended her in a sling. After the first night she only seemed a little different. After second and third night she was a new chicken. Her large toes on each foot now point forward. She walks lifting her feet up like the other chickens. Her toes are all in the right place. She still doesn't quite have the walk of the others that looks like a tight rope walk- but now it is hard to tell who had the problem. So I have not taped her for the last 2 nights. She is happy and getting around but seems weak. She is walking normal and then suddenly stumbles. I am guessing it is just gonna take her awhile to get her strength. You saved the day and the chick and gave us the know how to keep working at helping her. She would be dead if she had stayed in the classroom. I did not plan on having any more chickens but now I think I have to keep her and her 2 friends to ensure she is properly cared for. My nightmare is to find out "she" is a "he" but one step at a time. Do you think it sounds like we are ok to stop the taping and time will improve the occasional unpredictable stumbles?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 13:15:12 04/30/13 Tue [1]

Thank you for the upadate--which will help engourage others
who read it.
The number of "night tapings" needed to cure a twisted
tibia does vary. For two week old Firestone (peachick),
my first successful cure it was five nights. For the
bantam cockerel who had other problems there was a whole
month of nights in an experimental device before he could
have all his bones and joints working correctly.
I need to see photos and/or video in order to give you
advice on what to do next. I do know that the work has to
be complete. If any part is a bit out of line there will
be stress that pushes it farther out of line.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- amy, 14:12:55 04/30/13 Tue [1]

Can I email you some photos? My husband knows how to post them but he isn't home. Could I have your email address?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HELP: 7 day old chick spraddle leg -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 20:41:21 04/30/13 Tue [1]

OK, got your email and photos--hope you got my reply.
Note to other readers: to get email address just click on
my name where it is blue and instructions for getting
email address will appear. Persons who do not give their
email addresses have names appear in black

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Turkey Poult Legs Crooked -- Anhtuan Doventry, 19:40:56 04/23/13 Tue [2]


We have a turkey poult that is 6 weeks old. It's legs are getting twisted back. It's the only one of the four that has this. What can I do to help it heal?


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[> Re: Turkey Poult Legs Crooked -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:27:53 04/23/13 Tue [1]

Turkeys grow very fast and the bigger they are the harder
it is to help them. The rich feed they are given is part
of the problem but some breed are very fast growing and
the feet are not strong enough to carry the load.
But If you email a photo of the turkey legs I will try to
help if I can

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[> Re: Turkey Poult Legs Crooked -- amy, 10:50:58 04/25/13 Thu [1]

I'm not sure why the link to the skeleton did not work above. Hopefully this one will:


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turkey poult with curled toes -- Jeanne, 12:05:59 04/23/13 Tue [1]

I have a Black turkey poult 6 weeks old with curling and twisting toes. from hatch he had a leg that did not come underneath him(hence the name Lefty) and we rehabilitated him by holding the leg 30 min at a time while less than a week old and then holding him up as he would prefer to squat or lay down.
his leg seemed to improve almost immediately. His toes started curling shortly after that and are worse o the leg we did not work on. I am not sure what to do. I think it is a hen and if so would remain here as a contributor to the family egg supply for the rest of her life. If it is a tom then we would like to get him to butcher weight. I do not want to prolong a life of misery so any help would be appreciated. Success to me would be getting this poult to be able to roost.

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[> Re: turkey poult with curled toes -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:21:27 04/23/13 Tue [1]

My methods for treating birds are for newly hatched ones
or very young ones. A six week old turkey will be very
difficult to help. But if you email a photo of the leg
joint and toes I will try to help

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1 day old silkie chick not standing or walking very well -- Teri, 18:19:11 04/19/13 Fri [1]


I have a 1 day old silkie chick that had trouble hatching last evening so I did assist a bit. She kicked out of the egg on her own but since has not been walking very well. She almost hobbles and flaps her wings for balance. Any advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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[> Re: 1 day old silkie chick not standing or walking very well -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 23:35:35 04/19/13 Fri [1]

after viewing photos ........
this chick is straddle legged and will benefit from
hobble brace. It may have other problems to treat but it is
very good that you are beginning treatment now before the
condition gets worse and harder to treat

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3 week old Barred Rock Chick cannot stand -- Karolee Russell (Concerned for my little "Peep"), 13:20:47 04/10/13 Wed [4]

We have 10 three week old chicks, the chicks were in a 50 gal tub with a brood lamp, tray food dish, and waterer. the bottom had 1" pine chips. We were gone overnight and when we came back and checked on the chicks, one was not able to stand. We separated her to keep her safe, and after 2 days no improvement, we brought her to the vets. They x-rayed her and found no obvious breaks or dislocations but felt her right hip might be dislocated. They gave us one week worth of pain meds. She still cannot stand but is eating and drinking. I am worried about her, even though she is eating, she does not seem to be growing at the same rate as her sisters, and seems thin to me. She does not stand on either leg, but the right leg seems to be the biggest problem, she seems to have no strength in it. Is there some special diet I can give her to keep her strength up? What else should I do? Do you think a Chick-Chair would help? I think that if I can get her strength up she will eventually heal, she has a lot of determination! Thank you

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[> Re: 3 week old Barred Rock Chick cannot stand -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:55:28 04/10/13 Wed [1]

It is possible that there could have been an injury to the
hip joint....perhaps something startled the chicks and they
piled up on top of one of them. The condition that I call
"straddle legs" usually occurs to newly hatched chicks
when they are on a slippery serface OR when a mother hen
accidentally steps on one of her chicks. This is treated
with the "hobble brace". Rest in a chick chair might help.
To be certain what the problem is you can make a close up
photo or two of the legs or even a short video clip made
with a cell phone or iphone. I do not own one of those
but since my computer upgrade you can email those to me

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[> [> Re: 3 week old Barred Rock Chick cannot stand -- Karolee Russell (optomistic), 08:31:05 04/12/13 Fri [1]

Thanks for responding. I built a chick chair for "Peep" and she loves it! she is eating and drinking better, placing a little weight on her feet (in the chair)and being very sociable. She even started preening last night. I gave her pedialite and she loves that too. I feel more optomistic than I have in awhile. I will try to send pictures this weekend of her legs, and/or a video.

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[> Re: 3 week old Barred Rock Chick cannot stand -- Gracie Adams (Sad), 08:04:11 04/12/13 Fri [1]

Hi, I'm Gracie, I'm 12, but me and my grandfather live on the same land and we own 10 (adult) hens and 15 chicks, and 1 rooster I went to feed them, and one of the older chicks feet were swollen...., it ate and drank water and it used its wings to move around...., we out it in a separate cage to protect her ...,we could find out what happened to her, but she died yesterday😞😞😞😞 I hope your chicks stays OKAY

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[> [> Re: 3 week old Barred Rock Chick cannot stand -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 23:00:02 04/12/13 Fri [1]

Gracie, your chick may have had the kind of Marek's disease
that effects the bones. If your state has a poultry lab
you could have the body examined there or if you live near
a good avian vet you could get advice on how to keep other
chickens from becoming ill.

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Chick chair question -- Angela Warner, 13:52:43 04/05/13 Fri [1]

I have a 4 day old chick that had a difficult time hatching. It got stuck and we ended up helping it out in the end. It hasn't been able to walk since day one. One leg was swollen after 24 hours and twisted slightly to the side. I did some reading and thought it could be a slipped Achilles tendon. We were not able to put it back in place. We can feel it go back into place but it won't stay there (maybe because of the swelling?). We have had it in a chick chair for 2 days where it has been eating & drinking normally. My questions are how long do I keep the chick in the chair? If the tendon won't stay in place, will it ever?

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[> Re: Chick chair question -- D C T -- friendly poultry orthopedist, 20:24:16 04/05/13 Fri [1]

Each case of displaced Achilles tendon is different. There
are times when I pop that tendon back into the groove and
it stays there just like a miracle and other times when I
work for a week to achieve this. Actually I had a pea chick
with both both legs needing treatment that lasted for
two weeks before she became an ordinary little pea chick.
And even I have had failures. I never give up but some-
times the patient dies or the joint can not be repaired.
You can email a photo to me or put photo at photobucket or
villagephotos and put link here

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Slipped Tendon and or Hock -- Alton, 14:31:08 03/14/13 Thu [1]

Is there anything that I can do for this chick or not? He is 11 days old. I noticed the problem 3 days ago. I was thinking that it was just splayed and tried the band-aid trick. That obviously didn't work. I tried stretching the leg back and positioning the tendon. The leg seems to be too bent for that to work. Here's some pics. http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k500/stardesigner/Chocolate/DSCF0112_zps230a4d88.jpg http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k500/stardesigner/Chocolate/DSCF0114_zps2162d0d5.jpg http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k500/stardesigner/Chocolate/DSCF0116_zps576ab9a1.jpg

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[> Re: Slipped Tendon and or Hock -- D C T - friendly poultry orthopedist, 15:53:09 03/14/13 Thu [1]

Alton, Though it really does look bad there is one thing to
try. Hold the chick with one hand and gently grip the foot
on the bad leg. Pull the foot slowly and gently straight
behind the chick while watching the messed up joint. Watch
the Achilles tendon which is now out of place on the side
to see if it moves to the center of the joint. This tendon
connects muscle up in "drumstick" to the shinbone down
below giving the power to stand and walk. If this tendon
does not move for this then try very gently squeezing the
sides of the joint to push the tendon to the center.
......If you can get it in place this chick will need to
be rested in a "chick chair" or a body sling for a week.
The tendon probably slipped out of place during the stress
of hatching (kicking off the back half of shell to emerge)
Sometimes when I catch this problem on hatching day I can
pop it back in place for an instant cure but each day
of struggling increases swelling in joint capsule making
treatment more and more difficult

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RIGHT NOW---OR SOONER -- D C T- friendly poultry orthopedist, 11:16:26 03/14/13 Thu [1]

OK, why do ambulances travel at high speed with flashing lights and sirens?............BECAUSE DELAY IS DECAY.......
A chick's straddle legs or displaced Achilles tendon should have treatment on the same day that you discover it. Even crooked toes become hardened that way in a week or two.
PLEASE NOTE: If a chick is crawling when the others are up and walking it needs help as soon as possible. While you are waiting for information the chick needs to be on a soft towel in a warm place...but not under a hen where its problem may be made worse if it gets stepped on accidentally. Even the best mother hen is not able to understand the needs of a crippled chick.

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Newly Hatched Chick walking on elbows. -- Renee LeGleu (Worried Mom), 14:14:33 03/13/13 Wed [1]

I have a newly hatched Rhode Island Red chick about a week old. It is eating and drinking awesomely. It seems to have plenty energy, until it tries to walk. Walking wears it out because it walking on its elbows. Both feet are pointed straight up. I have it in our Intensive Chicken Unit (ICU) in our bathroom under heat lamps for safe keeping. I make sure he eats and drinks enough to stay strong. I need some help to get him walking straight.

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[> Re: Newly Hatched Chick walking on elbows. -- D C T - friendly poultry orthopedist, 22:36:08 03/13/13 Wed [1]

I suspect that the Achilles tendons are displaced.The way
that this happens (in most cases) is that when the chick is
hatching the eggshell was very hard for the chick to kick
its way out. The Achilles tendon connects muscles along the
tibia to the lower leg providing power to stand and walk.
This tendon crosses the rear of the hock joint (where chick
fuzz ends and scale covered tarsal bone begins. Normally
it is in a groove in the center of the rear of the joint
but when it is pushed to one side it does not function.
The longer the chick walks on the hock joint tne more
the joint swells so that the tendon is not able to return
to the correct position. In the life of a new chick a week
is a very long time. Perhaps your chick can be helped by
being put in a "chick chair" or body sling.
I need to see a photo of those legs close up viewed from
the rear.

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Chick with twisted hock joint. -- Emma Middleton, 09:53:23 09/27/12 Thu [4]

I have a 9 day old chick with an enlarged hock joint. At first I thought it was a slipped tendon but the back of the hock is rounded not flat like I would expect to see in a slipped tendon. It stands with its leg turned out and struggles to put weight on it. It was hatched this way and while it was in its shell, another chick pecked at the pipped hole, could this have caused damage?
Will a hock brace help? I did originally try this with sponge and tape but I could keep the leg in a straight position.

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[> Re: Chick with twisted hock joint. -- D C T friendly poultry orthopedist, 11:36:49 09/27/12 Thu [1]

I need a close up photo of that hock joint taken from the
rear of the bird in order to be certain about the problem.
The most common cause of the Achilles tendon becoming
displaced is when the chick is kicking its way out of the
eggshell during time of low humidity that makes it harder
to get out of that eggshell. Or there can be an injury
from being stepped on by the mother hen.
I doubt that having another chick peck at pip hole could
hurt the Achilles tendon.
Each day that a chick struggles with this problem things
get worse as inflammation causes swelling and/or the skin
gets torn and infection makes even more inflamation.
....I am not certain what you mean by "hock brace".
Your chick may (or may not) have a twisted tibia

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[> [> Re: Chick with twisted hock joint. -- Emma Middleton, 13:22:37 09/27/12 Thu [1]

I'm grateful to be able to get some expert advice as living in the U.K., the majority of opinions is to cull the chick rather than bother to fix the problem. I only do this as a last resort and would rather learn how to remedy a problem for any future occurances.
I have sent pictures to you and if you have received them you will see the enlarged right hock joint. This has been like this since it hatched and although it has trouble moving and standing, it hasn't at all used it's hocks to get about so there are no abrasions.
A UK breeder suggested giving the chick a small amount of baby asprin to reduce any swelling but this made no difference to the condition of the hock.
I am a novice at raising chicks although not new to poultry and sound advice seems to be a rarity here. I brought this life into this world and I'd like to keep it there!

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[> [> Re: Chick with twisted hock joint. -- Laura Cottongim (Laura Cottongim), 19:33:33 03/01/13 Fri [1]

I rescued a couple day old chick yesterday from a feed supply store. His leg is twisted completely up towards the rest of his body. It only has two toes and it feels fused already. I can send a picture but is it too late to try to bring it down and splint it somehow?

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[> [> [> Re: Chick with twisted hock joint. -- D C T friendly poultry orthopedist, 20:17:05 03/01/13 Fri [1]

Laura, as long as my old computer is functioning and I am
able to check my website and email each morning and night
I will try to help anybody's chick or other baby poultry.
Send picture (to my email address because there is no way
to post on forum) SEND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE...time is very
important to tender young poultry.

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8 Day old chick with leg problem -- Nick T, 12:03:27 01/05/13 Sat [2]

I have a 8 day old chick around day 3 I noticed it holding its right led up and its pointed inward. Now at day 8 the joint is severely swollen and looks infected. please help. I'm not sure how to post pics, but I do have some

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[> Re: 8 Day old chick with leg problem -- D C T friendly poultry orthopedist, 18:15:21 01/05/13 Sat [1]

could be injury to hock joint or the Achilles tendon which
runs behind the hock joint.
It is not possible to put photos on this forum but you can
put them at villagephotos.com or photobucket and then put
the link to them here
you can email them to me

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[> [> Re: 8 Day old chick with leg problem -- Nick T, 19:11:24 01/05/13 Sat [1]

I would be more than happy to email to you, any help would be appreciated

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Day old chick can't lift head seems twisted -- Alli, 07:01:54 01/02/13 Wed [1]

Hi, my little Chck hatched 5 hours ago. It can't lift its head much and appears twisted. It sometimes balances on his beak. So he tends to walk backwards as it drags. He piped his shell roughly towards the middle. I didn't have to assist at all with hatching. He zipped the shell. Other then that he seems healthy. I've looked at wry neck and it seems completely different. All my other 15 chickens are really well. Any help appreciated.

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[> Re: Day old chick can't lift head seems twisted -- D C T --friendly poultry orthopedist, 09:03:37 01/02/13 Wed [1]

It needs to be handled very gently. You can straighten the
neck and massage very lightly with fintertip.
It may respond to having neck wrapped in soft tissue paper
to keep it straight. I remember cutting a sponge to donut
shape with hole the right size to pull the head through
so that it was a neck brace.
When a chick is newly hatched it can survive several days
without food or water because the eggyolk is still inside
the abdomen.--this is how the hatcheries can mail chicks
to people. Out in the jungle hen could sit on her chicks
for a few days until they got stronger (and hungry)
before leaving the nest to find insects, tender grass,
and rain water.
...So you can keep your chick wrapped with neck straight
for a day or two checking on it often

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Polish chicks bacwards foot -- Dolly (:(), 18:02:17 12/10/12 Mon [1]

Hello! First time on a forum like this. I adopted a 6 week old chick from a feed store fri afternoon. Someone brought it back because they said they couldn't bear to watch it suffer. I arrive and find it in a small box under a heat lamp with food and water. The chick's leg is twisted, foot basically on backward. The other leg is fairly normal. It has 5 toes on each foot. Don't know if this is normal or not! Anyways, it eats, drinks, poops, and is in otherwise good spirits. Can't walk worth a lick tho. Can go in circles pretty well tho:) It flapps its wings wildly for balance and manages to get some food and drink. Other than that it mostly sits around and chirps! I can send a pic if it help. I would like any suggestions for help or do I just love him and do the best we can.

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[> Re: Polish chicks bacwards foot -- D C T friendly poultry orthopedist, 19:15:26 12/10/12 Mon [1]

On certain breeds having five toes is standard. There is a
breed called a houdan that resembles a polish and does have
five toes on each foot. They have crests and make good
YES--I DO want a photo or two close up of that foot and the
leg above it. I wish that it was younger because much
experience has taught me to begin treatment as soon as a
chick's fuzz is dry and it tries to stand up. But I always
do my best for any bird that wants to live (most do)

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Day old bantam chick, unable to support head -- Rebecca (Worried), 17:52:56 10/28/12 Sun [1]

Hello, just hatched my first chicks, bantums, the last to hatch is weak and not standing, although it does chirp nd responds a little more following molasses and water. It's head flops down between it's legs of to the side when trying to pipette sugar solution. I'm worried it may have been stood on by one of the other chicks and damaged it's neck. Should I try massage and a wait a few days or .....Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks

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[> Re: Day old bantam chick, unable to support head -- D C T friendly poultry orthopedist, 19:26:43 10/28/12 Sun [1]

There is danger when you try giving fluid to a chick that
weak. In the wild state a hen hatches her eggs and the
chicks stay under her for a day or two until they can walk.
The chicks do not have any water until their mother leads
them to a puddle or a stream. Or they peck a dew drop.
The eggyolk is inside the chick and will feed it for a
week while chick is learning to eat.
You can make a bed of towels and prop up head on folded
towel. If neck is badly twisted you can make a donut from
sponge and pull the head through the hole to hold neck
straight for a day or two but this is to be done only if
the situation demands it.
If you are still having a problem you can email a photo
or video clip to me

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Bent inward leg on rooster -- mar (Concerned), 11:52:07 10/12/12 Fri [1]

I have a rooster with a bent leg at the knee joint and it's bent inwards. He was born with it that way and now he is barely using it. He is 6 months old. Now he just sits in the duck house where he doesn't have to go up the chicken coop ramp. What should we do? Splint? Put back in place? He doesn't do anything all day except sit in the duck house by himself.

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[> Re: Bent inward leg on rooster -- D C T friendly poultry orthopedist, 17:39:33 10/12/12 Fri [1]

I am sad to have to say that my poultry orthopedic
treatment methods are for newly hatched chicks or ones that
are in first two weeks of life. As a chick grows its bones
and joints harden. Only new ones are flexible so that a
cure is possible.
The one exception to this is first aid for broken wings or

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