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Subject: 個人意見


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2001 年畢業生
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Date Posted: 00:40:06 03/25/06 Sat
In reply to: ml 's message, "Old boy feels very disappointed" on 16:50:52 03/22/06 Wed
 沒有心既老師係濟記衰落既最大關鍵。

係街食煙?

Brother Bosco 年代，根本沒有呢 d 事發生。
我仲記得果時佢中一教論理，大家堂堂見到佢三
隻三指都明個意思，呢個動作老一輩師兄一定有同感，
現在，有誰?

成績差，老師學生都有責任。但的而且確，現在不少濟記老師
係有問題。冗員問題到我畢業都未解決，相反有不少好老師
卻離開濟記。當然，學校可以話學生應該自己勤力，但如果沒
有老師都可得到好成績，那濟記有何用? 如果濟記係依賴呢
d 自己勤力既學生告訴人有幾把炮，你覺得濟記收唔收恥?

順帶想讚揚一下我既恩師大頭黃，我覺得佢真係濟記僅存而
又平實既好老師，我之可以入讀大學，考到會計師試同做會計
呢行，全靠中四五果陣既根低打得好，對比於當時另一位會計老師，更加不可同日而語。
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[> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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今晚我o係亞洲電視亮相哦！
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Date Posted: 13:15:47 03/25/06 Sat
點解一個又係咁，兩個又係咁呢！成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂，OK，都話講o下何謂掂，何謂唔掂啦！係你地死都唔肯透露意見，定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢？講o下好老師定義啦，亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好！
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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ml
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Date Posted: 16:55:59 03/25/06 Sat
Just quoted 2 examples:
one biology teacher taught 1/3 syllabus, and many of which were OC, and asked students to die in HKCEE.
While another teacher bullshitted several vocabularies during every English lesson for the whole school year.Unfortunately, one student of his class was very hardworking and came firt in English during that academic year. This demonstrated the importance of self-initiatives of students but cannot preclude the importance of teachers, especially to those who are not that outstanding.
From my experience, 90% of teachers in SFXC just barely completed their duty and 10% were just rubbish. ( Hay, I use past tense). General speaking, quite a few of them were very lazy.


>點解一個又係咁，兩個又係咁呢！成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂，O
>K，都話講o下何謂掂，何謂唔掂啦！係你地死都唔肯透露意見?>A定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢？講o下好老師定
>義啦，亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好！
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 22:49:14 03/25/06 Sat
各位看官，請看請楚這位有為舊生的論點論據，嘗試體會我的憤怒，也評評他有理還是無理！

一、這次他終於舉出了例子，說有兩位不稱職的老師，但卻又出了一位勤力學生，結果努力的還是考得特別好！那位生物科老師，相信不會是現在兩位中的任何一位吧！

二、九成老師係「按章工作」，一成係廢o既，縱使係「過去式」，請問有幾多人認同先？如果一如佢所講，而以前d成績都咁好，即係佢認為所有成績係歸功於學生自學啦！

三、佢有講老師的不是，但無講過半句好老師o既條件！壞老師教三分一課程，我敢講我地而家九成或者全部老師會教晒所有課程；有老師廢嗡生字就算，試問以我地而家學校o既老師o黎計，真係話好廢o既老師絕對唔會多，甚至係無！就咁推斷，咁即係而家o既師資會比以前好啦，咁請問成績低落o既原因又何解呀？

四、「ml」君，你夠膽o既就講o下你以前o既好老師有幾好，等我地知道o係你o既定義上面何謂好！「ml」，我可以好肯定話你聽，你寫o既o野越o黎越多漏洞，完全無晒說服力，組織同纙輯差到令人失望！唉……

或者等我講清楚點解我會咁不滿「ml」o既言論：
原本佢關心學校成績低落，我都好認同，但佢提出o既建議就係叫校長整頓現在教師表現，更提議一定要鐵腕一點，甚至抄人先掂！跟住，佢又不斷話佢唔知道學校現今情況，佢有提過一個好老師（就只有一個！），但佢點好呢？佢無講過。佢有提過兩位差老師，o個種差係極端差o個種，好難想像而家我地仲係俾o的咁差o既人教！接住落o黎佢舉出的事例，好似自打咀巴咁，真係好難接受！

唔該，求o下你，諗清楚，組織o下，係自己思想上出現問題，可以道歉，可以唔再上message，又或者俾番o的令人信服o既說話，作為成年人，作為有身分有地位o既校友，我真係覺得你好…好…唉，我講唔出口呀！唔該。
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 00:24:34 03/26/06 Sun
各位看官，請看請楚這位有為舊生的論點論據，嘗試體會我的憤怒，也評評他有理還是無理！

一、這次他終於舉出了例子，說有兩位不稱職的老師，但卻又出了一位勤力學生，結果努力的還是考得特別好！那位生物科老師，相信不會是現在兩位中的任何一位吧！He was Bio Ho.probably has left

二、九成老師係「按章工作」，一成係廢o既，縱使係「過去式」，請問有幾多人認同先？如果一如佢所講，而以前d成績都咁好，即係佢認為所有成績係歸功於學生自學啦！in late 80s, most of the students were band 1 students, if teachers were not that irresponsible, they could have achieved more. Typical teachers: Bio Ho, mouse, Hong sir....

三、佢有講老師的不是，但無講過半句好老師o既條件！壞老師教三分一課程，我敢講我地而家九成或者全部老師會教晒所有課程；有老師廢嗡生字就算，試問以我地而家學校o既老師o黎計，真係話好廢o既老師絕對唔會多，甚至係無！就咁推斷，咁即係而家o既師資會比以前好啦，咁請問成績低落o既原因又何解呀？ One obvious reason, this is the consequence of a vicious cycle: poor school management >>> irresponsible teachers >> students had negatively-added value >> poor academic performance >> bad name >>> poor intake of students ....SFXC becomes a chinese medium school!!!! you all happy.

四、「ml」君，你夠膽o既就講o下你以前o既好老師有幾好，等我地知道o係你o既定義上面何謂好！「ml」，我可以好肯定話你聽，你寫o既o野越o黎越多漏洞，完全無晒說服力，組織同纙輯差到令人失望！唉…… My requirement is very low, those barely completed their duty were already good teachers to me. At the end of the days, this is only a job but I really despise those irresponsible teachers.

或者等我講清楚點解我會咁不滿「ml」o既言論：
原本佢關心學校成績低落，我都好認同，但佢提出o既建議就係叫校長整頓現在教師表現，更提議一定要鐵腕一點，甚至抄人先掂！
I never mentioned this

跟住，佢又不斷話佢唔知道學校現今情況，佢有提過一個好老師（就只有一個！），但佢點好呢？佢無講過。Miss Kwok led small group discussion ( 4-5 students) after school hours to discuss our Chinese composition, pinpointing our weakness. Every student had chance, no discrimination.

佢有提過兩位差老師，o個種差係極端差o個種，好難想像而家我地仲係俾o的咁差o既人教！接住落o黎佢舉出的事例，好似自打咀巴咁，真係好難接受！ The English teacher i mentioned has left. The biology teacher probably has also left.

唔該，求o下你，諗清楚，組織o下，係自己思想上出現問題，可以道歉，可以唔再上message，又或者俾番o的令人信服o既說話，作為成年人，作為有身分有地位o既校友，我真係覺得你好…好…唉，我講唔出口呀！唔該。I typed what I thought from my heart, and all i said was true. I did not mean to hurt anybody as the good one and also the poor ones have already left as far as i know.


>各位看官，請看請楚這位有為舊生的論點論據，嘗試體會我的?>垂耤A也評評他有理還是無理！
>
>一、這次他終於舉出了例子，說有兩位不稱職的老師，但卻又?>X了一位勤力學生，結果努力的還是考得特別好！那位耵型鴞?>師，相信不會是現在兩位中的任何一位吧！
>
>二、九成老師係「按章工作」，一成係廢o既，縱使係「過去式
>」，請問有幾多人認同先？如果一如佢所講，而以前d成績都咁
>好，即係佢認為所有成績係歸功於學生自學啦！
>
>三、佢有講老師的不是，但無講過半句好老師o既條件！壞老師
>教三分一課程，我敢講我地而家九成或者全部老師會教晒所有?>珛{；有老師廢嗡生字就算，試問以我地而家學校o既老師o黎計
>，真係話好廢o既老師絕對唔會多，甚至係無！就咁推斷，咁即
>係而家o既師資會比以前好啦，咁請問成績低落o既原因又何解?>r？
>
>四、「ml」君，你夠膽o既就講o下你以前o既好老師有幾好，等
>我地知道o係你o既定義上面何謂好！「ml」，我可以好肯定話?>A聽，你寫o既o野越o黎越多漏洞，完全無晒說服力，組織同纙?>霈t到令人失望！唉……
>
>或者等我講清楚點解我會咁不滿「ml」o既言論：
>原本佢關心學校成績低落，我都好認同，但佢提出o既建議就係
>叫校長整頓現在教師表現，更提議一定要鐵腕一點，甚至抄人?>掂！跟住，佢又不斷話佢唔知道學校現今情況，佢有提過一個
>好老師（就只有一個！），但佢點好呢？佢無講過。佢有提過?>潀鴟t老師，o個種差係極端差o個種，好難想像而家我地仲係俾
>o的咁差o既人教！接住落o黎佢舉出的事例，好似自打咀巴咁，
>真係好難接受！
>
>唔該，求o下你，諗清楚，組織o下，係自己思想上出現問題，?>i以道歉，可以唔再上message，又或者俾番o的令人信服o既說?>隉A作為成年人，作為有身分有地位o既校友，我真係覺得你好?>K好…唉，我講唔出口呀！唔該。
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


Author:
隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 00:59:03 03/26/06 Sun
首先，我諗我真係要平心靜氣落o黎，其實我真係唔想嗌交咁，如果我有任何得罪，我先行道歉。I am sorry!

但「ml」師兄，你提及過o既有問題o既老師，已經全部離職及退休！我阿哥大我十五年，佢都係濟記仔，我同佢傾過老師o既問題，一比之下，我地而家o既老師已經算唔錯，起碼絕大部分已經乎合你o既最低要求，甚至比最低要求好好多，所以我覺得要提升成績，將問題單單指向教師係唔夠o架！

「ml」師兄，你手寫你心固然無問題，但係你未清楚學校情況，現今教師真正整體表現，學生本身學習態度，學生普遍家庭情況，教育改革，就叫校長要點要點，咁咪傷害o左修士同老師o羅！你係大人o黎o架，真係講o野要思前想後，要負責任o架！

成績倒退係事實，校長、老師責無旁貸也是事實，但尚有其他因素，看官可否也一同關注，一併討論，及作心實際建議可以嗎？
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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ml
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Date Posted: 00:00:42 03/26/06 Sun
但佢提出o既建議就係叫校長整頓現在教師表現，更提議一定要鐵腕一點，甚至抄人先掂！

I never mentioned the above message.


>Just quoted 2 examples:
>one biology teacher taught 1/3 syllabus, and many of
>which were OC, and asked students to die in HKCEE.
>While another teacher bullshitted several vocabularies
>during every English lesson for the whole school
>year.Unfortunately, one student of his class was very
>hardworking and came firt in English during that
>academic year. This demonstrated the importance of
>self-initiatives of students but cannot preclude the
>importance of teachers, especially to those who are
>not that outstanding.
>From my experience, 90% of teachers in SFXC just
>barely completed their duty and 10% were just rubbish.
>( Hay, I use past tense). General speaking, quite a
>few of them were very lazy.
>
>
>>點解一個又係咁，兩個又係咁呢！成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂，
>O
>>K，都話講o下何謂掂，何謂唔掂啦！係你地死都唔肯透露意見
>?>A定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢？講o下好老師
>定
>>義啦，亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好！
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 00:13:44 03/26/06 Sun
恕學弟推理奇差，那麼，以下你曾提及過的，到底想校長做些什麼呢？感謝賜教。

“I think Rev Brother Anthony and the teacheres should take the responsibility for the decline.”

“Brother Anthony should try to "attract better raw material" on the one hand and upgrade the performance of his staff on another hand.”

“Rev Brother Anthony, it is time to show your courage.
Teachers are of critical importance.”
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


Author:
2001 年畢業生
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Date Posted: 23:39:39 03/25/06 Sat
>點解一個又係咁，兩個又係咁呢！成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂，O
>K，都話講o下何謂掂，何謂唔掂啦！係你地死都唔肯透露意見?>A定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢？講o下好老師定
>義啦，亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好！


唔該你睇真 d 我第一句講咩，我話聖芳濟 d 老師冇心呀!

我唔知係我冇 point 定係你有問題，我用 brother bosco 例子
係証明佢用心教學生自動自覺，堂堂都舉起三隻手指叫同學唸讀。
唔似一 d 321 部隊，每日得過且過。你問我邊過冇心教，第
一個一定係李麗英，我中六七上中化堂果陣，佢堂堂叫人讀課
文，讀完之後就話你地都識架喇，跟住收工。平時最喜歡就做
listening, 自己就咱誘p說黎讀，呢 d 噤既冗員，濟記點會有光明?

最後，我想講一個老師最重要係有心教，就算佢 d 教學方法
係有問題，d 學生都會感受到佢既教學熱誠，起碼唔會覺得佢呃
飯食，而學生都唔會輕易話唔讀，噤學校成績都唔會好似而家咁
一落千丈。
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 00:33:34 03/26/06 Sun
敢問（但唔知你敢唔敢答）：

一、請問「有心的教師」和「落力/勤力的教師」有無分別？如果有，你會覺得邊種好d，點解呢？

二、如果你以其中一位老師o既表現，踩晒全部人，咁樣公平嘛？仲有，我認同每位修士都有佢地o既教育熱誠，但請問你覺得Bosco年代o既教師，同現今o既教師，邊一代「有心」、「落力」同埋「勤力」o的呢？

三、最重要都係：點樣o既老師先至合你心意？單單講「有心」就得，我諗唔夠o卦！？如果「有心」，但無料，又或者控制唔到秩序，你咪又話唔好！唔好講到真係要求得咁單純啦！你認為差o既老師講o左一個，接住就話好o既就走o左，講到好似聖芳濟真係淨係得番o的無用o既人咁！
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 00:53:01 03/26/06 Sun
敢問（但唔知你敢唔敢答）：

一、請問「有心的教師」和「落力/勤力的教師」有無分別？如果有，你會覺得邊種好d，點解呢？

Either one is acceptable. At least they have tried their best.


二、如果你以其中一位老師o既表現，踩晒全部人，咁樣公平嘛？仲有，我認同每位修士都有佢地o既教育熱誠，但請問你覺得Bosco年代o既教師，同現今o既教師，邊一代「有心」、「落力」同埋「勤力」o的呢？ I only mentioned there were some bad sheep. There were more good teachers.

三、最重要都係：點樣o既老師先至合你心意？單單講「有心」就得，我諗唔夠o卦！？如果「有心」，但無料，又或者控制唔到秩序，你咪又話唔好！唔好講到真係要求得咁單純啦！你認為差o既老師講o左一個，接住就話好o既就走o左，講到好似聖芳濟真係淨係得番o的無用o既人咁！


There are no 無料 teachers, as far as there are recruited, they are qualified. I think what is more important is their attitude. And students should be humble, no matter how bright you are, you are not as knowledgeable as a teacher; no matter how 無料they are, they are more knowlegeagle than you.

Thank you for your attention.






>敢問（但唔知你敢唔敢答）：
>
>一、請問「有心的教師」和「落力/勤力的教師」有無分別？如
>果有，你會覺得邊種好d，點解呢？
>
>二、如果你以其中一位老師o既表現，踩晒全部人，咁樣公平嘛
>？仲有，我認同每位修士都有佢地o既教育熱誠，但請問你覺得
>Bosco年代o既教師，同現今o既教師，邊一代「有心」、「落力
>」同埋「勤力」o的呢？
>
>三、最重要都係：點樣o既老師先至合你心意？單單講「有心」
>就得，我諗唔夠o卦！？如果「有心」，但無料，又或者控制唔
>到秩序，你咪又話唔好！唔好講到真係要求得咁單純啦！你認?>乾to既老師講o左一個，接住就話好o既就走o左，講到好似聖芳
>濟真係淨係得番o的無用o既人咁！
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Author:
隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 01:03:22 03/26/06 Sun
嘻嘻！多謝你回答，但其實我係想「2001 年畢業生」答o既。

我問佢o既o野都係對應番佢o既留言。

Anyway, thank you.
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Author:
2001 年畢業生
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Date Posted: 03:17:22 03/26/06 Sun
1. 勤力只係有心既表現。
2. 我用 Brother Bosco 例子係因為佢真係教過我，如果你覺得
現在有其他濟記教師有心，你大可不必回應我。
3. 我想你明白世上無完美既好老師，就算合我心意，都未必
合你心意，如果你硬要說好老師的特質跟本多餘。你讀左咁耐
書，見過咁多老師，你覺得有咩老師令你有深刻既好印象 ?
有料，控制到秩序，定係以永不放棄既態度教學生? 頭一樣，
頭二樣定要晒，或者仲有其他? 你自己都唔知。 但我可以告
訴你，我有深刻印象既 Brother Bosco, 公仔佬同李劍雄都
走晒，只係剩低大頭黃，呢 d 老師令我係知識同品格都有良
好而又深遠既影響，咁你明未?
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Author:
旯忳價檗鎌排漲腔匊朔
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Date Posted: 17:08:34 03/26/06 Sun
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