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Subject: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 16:50:52 03/22/06 Wed

Feel very disappointed with the declining open exam results.
Witnessing juniors walking along Nathan Road with cig in hand.
Rev Brothers should do more. What are you going to lead SFXC to? From Band 1 to Band 5?
My year: 12 doctors, 6 accountants, 20-30 engineers. mostly CUHK, HKU, UST, science classes 110 students, >90% got degrees.

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[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 16:52:30 03/22/06 Wed

Sorry.
Additional notes:
86 CE very good
88 CE very good
89 CE very good.

Then never good again.
I still remember some teachers taught 1/3 of syllabus and let students sit for CE ( biology).
Some teachers bullshit the whole lessons.
But of course, there are some very good teachers. But my point is that just a bad worm is disastrous enough.

Teachers remain the same, hopefully not.
Intake down from band 1 ( of 5 bands ) to band 2 ( of 3 bands). Even Jesus cannot save you.
[> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed<there are nth to deal with the teachers and the school authority


Author:
raymond
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Date Posted: 11:53:44 03/26/06 Sun

first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle

as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in hong kong are having depression on their student's quality, as well as the academic result, but not only SFXC.

however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is the freaking reason behind?
when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we were the best form 1 student in term of academic result over the past 1 decade and they kept on reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20 students in the form that year can score distinctions in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can get at least 80As in CE

and brother anthony(the current principal, just in case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls could score at least 100As in CE

wt does that mean?

it means they are confident in us ad they have provided us the best teachers of different subjects in sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my perspective and 321 troop us excluded)

however, wt did we, the students, do?

i should better pick myself as an example
my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years' time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do know the teachers teaching me are already the best that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.

i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that, there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul authority but ourselves

just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning in form 1
how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺, 自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A


does ml want all the current and future xaverians to be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?


Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
think about it
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed<there are nth to deal with the teachers and the school authority


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 19:34:25 03/26/06 Sun

first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle

as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in hong kong are having depression on their student's quality, as well as the academic result, but not only SFXC.

>>>>> Dont seek supporting evidence from failing school, why not have a look at those successful school.


however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is the freaking reason behind?
when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we were the best form 1 student in term of academic result over the past 1 decade and they kept on reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20 students in the form that year can score distinctions in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can get at least 80As in CE

>>>> in 1986 over 200A in CE
>>>> in 1988 over 200A in CE
Make sure your year can score a greater number than above before claiming your class to be the best in the past five decades, I am waiting for good news.

and brother anthony(the current principal, just in case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls could score at least 100As in CE

wt does that mean?

it means they are confident in us ad they have provided us the best teachers of different subjects in sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my perspective and 321 troop us excluded)

however, wt did we, the students, do?

i should better pick myself as an example
my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years' time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do know the teachers teaching me are already the best that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.

i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that, there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul authority but ourselves

just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning in form 1
how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺, 自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A


does ml want all the current and future xaverians to be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?


Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
think about it


>>>>> good academic results and good personally are not mutually exclusive.
>>>>> one final word, your English is quite ok, keep working hard.



>first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive
>to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation
>in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle
>
>as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in
>hong kong are having depression on their student's
>quality, as well as the academic result, but not only
>SFXC.
>
>however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is
>the freaking reason behind?
>when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we
>were the best form 1 student in term of academic
>result over the past 1 decade and they kept on
>reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until
>now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20
>students in the form that year can score distinctions
>in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple
>calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can
>get at least 80As in CE
>
>and brother anthony(the current principal, just in
>case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls
>could score at least 100As in CE
>
>wt does that mean?
>
>it means they are confident in us ad they have
>provided us the best teachers of different subjects in
>sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my
>perspective and 321 troop us excluded)
>
>however, wt did we, the students, do?
>
>i should better pick myself as an example
>my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years'
>time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do
>know the teachers teaching me are already the best
>that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the
>decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.
>
>i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz
>of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that,
>there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul
>authority but ourselves
>
>just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the
>students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning
>in form 1
>how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺,
>自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A
>
>
>does ml want all the current and future xaverians to
>be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions
>somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?
>
>
>Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
>think about it
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed<there is nth to deal with the teachers and the school authority


Author:
raymond
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Date Posted: 23:13:45 03/26/06 Sun

i would like to do a clarification, i just mentioned the teachers said the form one students in skul year 2001-2002
is the best in the past 1 decade but not 5

2001>2000>1999>1998>1997>1995>1994>1993>1992>1991 ten solid years

also, as the teachers said,we were the best new students in the past one decade, that means there were former xaverians better than us in terms of academic result or even moral fiber. i bet those xaverians are those who scored over 200As in CE in 1986 and 1988 as ml mentioned.

i were not claiming my cls is the best or sth like that. i just want to tell ml, what does a current xaverian think?
skul provided us the best stuff, but it doesnt mean we did cherish them. see wt i mean? blaming the skul is not the way to solve the problem but yrself(i m not talking about u,ml, i meant the current xaverians who are reading this, including myself).

if we wanna boost up the academic result in public exam, turning SFXC into a "tutorial skul-like" skul is certainly feasible and it s wt other famous skuls are doing. However, i do think that s not the Marist Brothers want

last but not least, thz for yr comment on my english proficiency and it s not really okay in my perspective, i would say.

>first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive
>to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation
>in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle
>
>as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in
>hong kong are having depression on their student's
>quality, as well as the academic result, but not only
>SFXC.
>
>>>>>> Dont seek supporting evidence from failing
>school, why not have a look at those successful school.
>
>
>however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is
>the freaking reason behind?
>when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we
>were the best form 1 student in term of academic
>result over the past 1 decade and they kept on
>reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until
>now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20
>students in the form that year can score distinctions
>in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple
>calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can
>get at least 80As in CE
>
>>>>> in 1986 over 200A in CE
>>>>> in 1988 over 200A in CE
>Make sure your year can score a greater number than
>above before claiming your class to be the best in the
>past five decades, I am waiting for good news.
>
>and brother anthony(the current principal, just in
>case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls
>could score at least 100As in CE
>
>wt does that mean?
>
>it means they are confident in us ad they have
>provided us the best teachers of different subjects in
>sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my
>perspective and 321 troop us excluded)
>
>however, wt did we, the students, do?
>
>i should better pick myself as an example
>my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years'
>time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do
>know the teachers teaching me are already the best
>that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the
>decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.
>
>i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz
>of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that,
>there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul
>authority but ourselves
>
>just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the
>students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning
>in form 1
>how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺,
>自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A
>
>
>does ml want all the current and future xaverians to
>be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions
>somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?
>
>
>Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
>think about it
>
>
>>>>>> good academic results and good personally are
>not mutually exclusive.
>>>>>> one final word, your English is quite ok, keep
>working hard.
>
>
>
>>first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive
>>to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation
>>in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle
>>
>>as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in
>>hong kong are having depression on their student's
>>quality, as well as the academic result, but not only
>>SFXC.
>>
>>however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is
>>the freaking reason behind?
>>when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we
>>were the best form 1 student in term of academic
>>result over the past 1 decade and they kept on
>>reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until
>>now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20
>>students in the form that year can score distinctions
>>in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple
>>calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can
>>get at least 80As in CE
>>
>>and brother anthony(the current principal, just in
>>case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls
>>could score at least 100As in CE
>>
>>wt does that mean?
>>
>>it means they are confident in us ad they have
>>provided us the best teachers of different subjects in
>>sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my
>>perspective and 321 troop us excluded)
>>
>>however, wt did we, the students, do?
>>
>>i should better pick myself as an example
>>my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years'
>>time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do
>>know the teachers teaching me are already the best
>>that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the
>>decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.
>>
>>i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz
>>of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that,
>>there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul
>>authority but ourselves
>>
>>just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the
>>students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning
>>in form 1
>>how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺,
>>自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A
>>
>>
>>does ml want all the current and future xaverians to
>>be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions
>>somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?
>>
>>
>>Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
>>think about it
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed<there are nth to deal with the teachers and the school authority


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 19:35:36 03/26/06 Sun

first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle

as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in hong kong are having depression on their student's quality, as well as the academic result, but not only SFXC.

>>>>> Dont seek supporting evidence from failing school, why not have a look at those successful school.


however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is the freaking reason behind?
when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we were the best form 1 student in term of academic result over the past 1 decade and they kept on reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20 students in the form that year can score distinctions in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can get at least 80As in CE

>>>> in 1986 over 200A in CE
>>>> in 1988 over 200A in CE
Make sure your year can score a greater number than above before claiming your class to be the best in the past five decades, I am waiting for good news.

and brother anthony(the current principal, just in case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls could score at least 100As in CE

wt does that mean?

it means they are confident in us ad they have provided us the best teachers of different subjects in sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my perspective and 321 troop us excluded)

however, wt did we, the students, do?

i should better pick myself as an example
my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years' time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do know the teachers teaching me are already the best that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.

i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that, there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul authority but ourselves

just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning in form 1
how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺, 自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A


does ml want all the current and future xaverians to be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?


Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
think about it


>>>>> good academic results and good personally are not mutually exclusive.
>>>>> one final word, your English is quite ok, keep working hard.



>first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive
>to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation
>in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle
>
>as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in
>hong kong are having depression on their student's
>quality, as well as the academic result, but not only
>SFXC.
>
>however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is
>the freaking reason behind?
>when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we
>were the best form 1 student in term of academic
>result over the past 1 decade and they kept on
>reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until
>now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20
>students in the form that year can score distinctions
>in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple
>calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can
>get at least 80As in CE
>
>and brother anthony(the current principal, just in
>case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls
>could score at least 100As in CE
>
>wt does that mean?
>
>it means they are confident in us ad they have
>provided us the best teachers of different subjects in
>sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my
>perspective and 321 troop us excluded)
>
>however, wt did we, the students, do?
>
>i should better pick myself as an example
>my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years'
>time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do
>know the teachers teaching me are already the best
>that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the
>decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.
>
>i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz
>of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that,
>there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul
>authority but ourselves
>
>just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the
>students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning
>in form 1
>how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺,
>自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A
>
>
>does ml want all the current and future xaverians to
>be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions
>somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?
>
>
>Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
>think about it
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed<there are nth to deal with the teachers and the school authority


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 19:36:57 03/26/06 Sun

>first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive
>to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation
>in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle
>
>as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in
>hong kong are having depression on their student's
>quality, as well as the academic result, but not only
>SFXC.
>
>>>>>> Dont seek supporting evidence from failing
>school, why not have a look at those successful school.
>
>
>however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is
>the freaking reason behind?
>when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we
>were the best form 1 student in term of academic
>result over the past 1 decade and they kept on
>reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until
>now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20
>students in the form that year can score distinctions
>in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple
>calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can
>get at least 80As in CE
>
>>>>> in 1986 over 200A in CE
>>>>> in 1988 over 200A in CE
>Make sure your year can score a greater number than
>above before claiming your class to be the best in the
>past five decades, I am waiting for good news.
>
>and brother anthony(the current principal, just in
>case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls
>could score at least 100As in CE
>
>wt does that mean?
>
>it means they are confident in us ad they have
>provided us the best teachers of different subjects in
>sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my
>perspective and 321 troop us excluded)
>
>however, wt did we, the students, do?
>
>i should better pick myself as an example
>my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years'
>time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do
>know the teachers teaching me are already the best
>that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the
>decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.
>
>i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz
>of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that,
>there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul
>authority but ourselves
>
>just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the
>students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning
>in form 1
>how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺,
>自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A
>
>
>does ml want all the current and future xaverians to
>be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions
>somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?
>
>
>Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
>think about it
>
>
>>>>>> good academic results and good personally are
>not mutually exclusive.
>>>>>> one final word, your English is quite ok, keep
>working hard.
>
>
>
>>first of all, i would say i dont mean to be offensive
>>to "ml"but i have to point out the current situation
>>in hong kong, the secondary skul's circle
>>
>>as a matter of fact, most of the band one skuls in
>>hong kong are having depression on their student's
>>quality, as well as the academic result, but not only
>>SFXC.
>>
>>however, have anyone of us ever thought about wt is
>>the freaking reason behind?
>>when i was in form 1, teachers always remind us we
>>were the best form 1 student in term of academic
>>result over the past 1 decade and they kept on
>>reminding us this FACT throughout our skul life until
>>now. when i was in form 3, mr iu said the top 20
>>students in the form that year can score distinctions
>>in ce for at least a number of 4. let's do some simple
>>calculation, according to his prediction, 20X4, we can
>>get at least 80As in CE
>>
>>and brother anthony(the current principal, just in
>>case u dunno him) indicated that the current 5E cls
>>could score at least 100As in CE
>>
>>wt does that mean?
>>
>>it means they are confident in us ad they have
>>provided us the best teachers of different subjects in
>>sfxc throughout the 5 year's skul time(in my
>>perspective and 321 troop us excluded)
>>
>>however, wt did we, the students, do?
>>
>>i should better pick myself as an example
>>my form ranking decreased by 40 throughout the 5years'
>>time. i dont blame the teachers but myself as i do
>>know the teachers teaching me are already the best
>>that sfxc can offer. the main reason for the
>>decreasing in ranking is all the matter of laziness.
>>
>>i dunno whether my other fellows got poor result becoz
>>of this or wtever. wt i want to emphasis is that,
>>there are nth to deal with the teachers and skul
>>authority but ourselves
>>
>>just bring u an example, in dgs, the skul trains the
>>students to get As in ce or AL from the very beginning
>>in form 1
>>how about in sfxc? we are trained with 自動自覺,
>>自我尊重,自我控制 in form 1 but not 洗腦奪A
>>
>>
>>does ml want all the current and future xaverians to
>>be trained with "洗腦奪A" and leave our traditions
>>somewhere unknown in order to achieve more?
>>
>>
>>Everyhing is feasable but not everything is beneficial
>>think about it
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
haha
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Date Posted: 20:41:59 03/22/06 Wed

Thank you for your concern, old boy. Could you suggest some good methods to SAVE your Alma Mater? Do you mean that our teachers should teach less and bullshit more? Could any one give advice on killing "bad worm" so-called?
[> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
ml
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Date Posted: 14:37:22 03/23/06 Thu

I am not in SFXC now, and dont know the situation there but there are a lot of good schools rising, esp in the NT. and my Alma Mater is just declining. I think Rev Brother Anthony and the teacheres should take the responsibility for the decline.







>Thank you for your concern, old boy. Could you suggest
>some good methods to SAVE your Alma Mater? Do you mean
>that our teachers should teach less and bullshit more?
>Could any one give advice on killing "bad worm"
>so-called?
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
看不起你的人!
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Date Posted: 22:50:18 03/23/06 Thu

唔該唔好開口埋口都話你唔知而家個情況啦!
唔知的話,有兩種選擇:
一、了解清楚再批評;
二、出聲問,返o黎學校了解o下,聽取多d資訊。
絕對唔係見到「面o個層」有問題,就互亂指出某一部分出問題!
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
Partly agree... but...
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Date Posted: 22:00:17 03/22/06 Wed

Dear all,
I partly agree Old Boy's words, quality of students have been changed in last ten years, decline or not, it depends.
Can you see the Trend of all students in HK?
Do you understand how many problems that teachers in HK are facing with?
Of coz, few students and teachers are not good enough, I agree, but, if you wanna compare with those teachers and students in 20 years ago, it is not fair; Instead, pls kindly compare with the general environment in HK. No one wants this happens, but it really happened, sadly.
[> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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ml
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Date Posted: 14:43:18 03/23/06 Thu

Dont need to compare with students 20 years ago.
Just compare with your peer group.



>Dear all,
>I partly agree Old Boy's words, quality of students
>have been changed in last ten years, decline or not,
>it depends.
>Can you see the Trend of all students in HK?
>Do you understand how many problems that teachers in
>HK are facing with?
>Of coz, few students and teachers are not good enough,
>I agree, but, if you wanna compare with those teachers
>and students in 20 years ago, it is not fair; Instead,
>pls kindly compare with the general environment in HK.
>No one wants this happens, but it really happened,
>sadly.
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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三號 (03'畢業)
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Date Posted: 22:44:41 03/22/06 Wed

我同意老師現在面對極大工作量。

可是,"現在的聖芳濟學生"於會考中面對的是"現在的會考生"而不是廿年前的會考生,就算學生質素下降也是整個香港的事,而考試局不會因此調低 A 的數量,所以理論上與學生質素沒有關係吧!

另外也有人說課外活動多了所致,但細心一想,我本人卻不認為事實該當如此。

我只覺得現在的學生真的很懶散,無論讀書和舉辦課外活動方面。
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Date Posted: 13:26:29 03/23/06 Thu

>我只覺得現在的學生真的很懶散,無論讀書和舉辦課外活動方?>情C

這一點我十分認同...當年在班內[7A]完全感覺不到丁點兒讀書氣氛...當然這方面作為學生的我也要負上一定責任...
[> Subject: 一點回應


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隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 14:15:46 03/23/06 Thu

一、 現今聖芳濟的老師,就是有人覺得不好,但我個人卻認為差極有限吧!他們付出的時間和心力,我想比以前(十幾二十年前)多很多了!
二、 有關成績方面,我想問一些成績較為理想的師兄、師弟及校友,請問你們的「好成績」,有幾多成係因為老師,幾多成係靠自己?
三、 另外,成績差的一群,請問現在的聖芳濟有什麼做得不妥當?又有什麼地方可以改善,從而提升成績呢?
歡迎因應上述幾點作出討論。
[> [> Subject: Re: 一點回應


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ml
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Date Posted: 14:32:28 03/23/06 Thu

Rev Brother Anthony, it is time to show your courage.
Teachers are of critical importance.
In Form 4, I aimed at C, in Form 5, I aimed at A after being taught by a good teacher.
Miss Kwok siu fong is a very good one but she emigrated to Canada.
Quite sad, most of my classmates dont want to go back to SFXC even when they are at the entrance. Don't scold us, we are just disppointed.


>一、
>現今聖芳濟的老師,就是有人覺得不好,但我個人卻認為差極?>陪郁a!他們付出的時間和心力,我想比以前(十幾二十年前)
>多很多了!
>二、
>有關成績方面,我想問一些成績較為理想的師兄、師弟及校友?>A請問你們的「好成績」,有幾多成係因為老師,幾多成係靠自
>己?
>三、
>另外,成績差的一群,請問現在的聖芳濟有什麼做得不妥當??>S有什麼地方可以改善,從而提升成績呢?
>歡迎因應上述幾點作出討論。
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 一點回應


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隨捕睪-----乘麼支度
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Date Posted: 18:36:13 03/23/06 Thu

唉!你講來講去都係o個幾句!你想當年唔係唔得,不過實際d,你講清楚你覺得而家d老師有乜問題先啦!你講到o個時d老師咁好,例如郭乜o野,都係一個移民o者,仲有好多仲o係度喎,咁點解你d同學咁抗拒返o黎呀!真係唔係好明喎!?

再者,究竟你又從何得知而家d老師唔掂呢?就單單睇成績?唉,斷估你都大我十年八年啦,成熟d好唔好!批評係絕對可以,但唔好求祈講兩句就當係好關心學校先得o架!

咁有心,先講o下你對老師o既期望,試講o下o個郭乜乜有幾好(真係好想知道好到點,自問我地而家都有唔少老師好關心我地喎!),等而家d老師「反省」o下都好o架!

仲有呀,見學校成績差o左,就唔願返o黎母校,呢d係乜o野態度呀!?積極d,提出多d有用o既建議,唔好叫brother抄人就好似解決晒所有問題咁啦!

最後,都係請你答番條問題,你覺得你地o個批咁好成績,有幾多成係因為老師呢?如果真係咁大部分要歸功於老師,咁又可唔可以具體說明佢地當時點好法呀?例如佢地夜晚會留o係學校做o野做到幾點呀?又或者係唔係日日捕課,俾埋屋企o個電話號碼你等你隨時call到佢呀?或者……我太膚淺,應該仲會比我想像中好好多(千萬唔好令我失望喎!)

最最後,我想指出,要學校成績有進步,呢個意見我係絕對贊同!但要俾意見,唔該實在d;要關心,唔該真心d!!
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 一點回應


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ml
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Date Posted: 21:21:52 03/23/06 Thu

I dont criticize the teachers as I dont know who they are and what their performance is.
May i be excused if I have made such an implication. And I believe the teachers nowadays work much harder than before, but I am not sure whether this applies to those at SFXC or not. As a minority of teachers at SFXC ( 15 years ago ) were notorious for their laziness and irresponsibility.

The product is worse than that of previous one. Brother Anthony should try to "attract better raw material" on the one hand and upgrade the performance of his staff on another hand.





>唉!你講來講去都係o個幾句!你想當年唔係唔得,不過實際d?>A你講清楚你覺得而家d老師有乜問題先啦!你講到o個時d老師?>搹n,例如郭乜o野,都係一個移民o者,仲有好多仲o係度喎,?>暐I解你d同學咁抗拒返o黎呀!真係唔係好明喎!?
>
>再者,究竟你又從何得知而家d老師唔掂呢?就單單睇成績?唉
>,斷估你都大我十年八年啦,成熟d好唔好!批評係絕對可以,
>但唔好求祈講兩句就當係好關心學校先得o架!
>
>咁有心,先講o下你對老師o既期望,試講o下o個郭乜乜有幾好?>]真係好想知道好到點,自問我地而家都有唔少老師好關心我地
>喎!),等而家d老師「反省」o下都好o架!
>
>仲有呀,見學校成績差o左,就唔願返o黎母校,呢d係乜o野態?>蚹r!?積極d,提出多d有用o既建議,唔好叫brother抄人就好
>似解決晒所有問題咁啦!
>
>最後,都係請你答番條問題,你覺得你地o個批咁好成績,有幾
>多成係因為老師呢?如果真係咁大部分要歸功於老師,咁又可?>囓i以具體說明佢地當時點好法呀?例如佢地夜晚會留o係學校?>發野做到幾點呀?又或者係唔係日日捕課,俾埋屋企o個電話號
>碼你等你隨時call到佢呀?或者……我太膚淺,應該仲會比我?>Q像中好好多(千萬唔好令我失望喎!)
>
>最最後,我想指出,要學校成績有進步,呢個意見我係絕對贊?>P!但要俾意見,唔該實在d;要關心,唔該真心d!!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 一點回應


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隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 22:59:37 03/23/06 Thu

你既然開口埋口都話部分老師唔妥當,又話要換批新血,不如舉出你認為何謂好老師,何謂差老師啦!睇你求祈打幾句上o黎九濟堂,一句半句實際d o既意見都睇唔到,你最誠實o個句係:"I dont know the situation"嘩!真係睇到火都o黎埋!你又唔知,又要講,又唔問,又唔俾實例或意見,咁你寫o既o野係「肺腑之言」定係「廢苦之言」呢?

都係o個句,俾實例啦!你以前遇過好老師,講o下佢點好,點樣令你取得好成績,等而家新o個批老師借鏡,讓差o既老師汗顏,咁咪聖芳濟有救o羅!係咪!?
[> Subject: 搵佢地救濟記啦


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Date Posted: 16:56:49 03/23/06 Thu


[> Subject: 試舉老師學生各一例


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三號
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Date Posted: 13:37:34 03/24/06 Fri

老師:
我曾經聽過以下兩段說話

a)「而家d應用文書出得真係好,自己睇都睇明啦!根本唔駛老師教。其實應用文無野gar,最緊要寫得清楚明白,有條理。」
之後我們就開始動筆練習寫作。

b)「呢種文體有好多種寫法,而每種寫法都有特點,例如.....」
緊接的是連續兩堂的分析。

b) 老師的確比較勤力,可是我相信a)老師教得較有效率......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
學生:
一天,我在童軍室中打掃時,找到一份八十年代的童軍師兄用打字機打得井井有條的英文會議紀錄(minutes)。

試問,現在,將要求降低點點,有幾多位同學敢誇口自己懂得用中文準備一份會議議程(agenda)?
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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熊仔
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Date Posted: 00:29:09 03/25/06 Sat

講真丫..近呢好幾年..香港乜都變梗
人變事變風氣變
以前邊有壓力唔壓力架?
我覺得唔應該拎以前同而家比
不過我認同我地呢一輩好多人比以前冇咁勤力同叻
[> Subject: 個人意見


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2001 年畢業生
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Date Posted: 00:40:06 03/25/06 Sat

沒有心既老師係濟記衰落既最大關鍵。

係街食煙?

Brother Bosco 年代,根本沒有呢 d 事發生。
我仲記得果時佢中一教論理,大家堂堂見到佢三
隻三指都明個意思,呢個動作老一輩師兄一定有同感,
現在,有誰?

成績差,老師學生都有責任。但的而且確,現在不少濟記老師
係有問題。冗員問題到我畢業都未解決,相反有不少好老師
卻離開濟記。當然,學校可以話學生應該自己勤力,但如果沒
有老師都可得到好成績,那濟記有何用? 如果濟記係依賴呢
d 自己勤力既學生告訴人有幾把炮,你覺得濟記收唔收恥?

順帶想讚揚一下我既恩師大頭黃,我覺得佢真係濟記僅存而
又平實既好老師,我之可以入讀大學,考到會計師試同做會計
呢行,全靠中四五果陣既根低打得好,對比於當時另一位會計老師,更加不可同日而語。
[> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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今晚我o係亞洲電視亮相哦!
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Date Posted: 13:15:47 03/25/06 Sat

點解一個又係咁,兩個又係咁呢!成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂,OK,都話講o下何謂掂,何謂唔掂啦!係你地死都唔肯透露意見,定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢?講o下好老師定義啦,亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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Date Posted: 16:55:59 03/25/06 Sat

Just quoted 2 examples:
one biology teacher taught 1/3 syllabus, and many of which were OC, and asked students to die in HKCEE.
While another teacher bullshitted several vocabularies during every English lesson for the whole school year.Unfortunately, one student of his class was very hardworking and came firt in English during that academic year. This demonstrated the importance of self-initiatives of students but cannot preclude the importance of teachers, especially to those who are not that outstanding.
From my experience, 90% of teachers in SFXC just barely completed their duty and 10% were just rubbish. ( Hay, I use past tense). General speaking, quite a few of them were very lazy.


>點解一個又係咁,兩個又係咁呢!成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂,O
>K,都話講o下何謂掂,何謂唔掂啦!係你地死都唔肯透露意見?>A定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢?講o下好老師定
>義啦,亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好!
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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Date Posted: 22:49:14 03/25/06 Sat

各位看官,請看請楚這位有為舊生的論點論據,嘗試體會我的憤怒,也評評他有理還是無理!

一、這次他終於舉出了例子,說有兩位不稱職的老師,但卻又出了一位勤力學生,結果努力的還是考得特別好!那位生物科老師,相信不會是現在兩位中的任何一位吧!

二、九成老師係「按章工作」,一成係廢o既,縱使係「過去式」,請問有幾多人認同先?如果一如佢所講,而以前d成績都咁好,即係佢認為所有成績係歸功於學生自學啦!

三、佢有講老師的不是,但無講過半句好老師o既條件!壞老師教三分一課程,我敢講我地而家九成或者全部老師會教晒所有課程;有老師廢嗡生字就算,試問以我地而家學校o既老師o黎計,真係話好廢o既老師絕對唔會多,甚至係無!就咁推斷,咁即係而家o既師資會比以前好啦,咁請問成績低落o既原因又何解呀?

四、「ml」君,你夠膽o既就講o下你以前o既好老師有幾好,等我地知道o係你o既定義上面何謂好!「ml」,我可以好肯定話你聽,你寫o既o野越o黎越多漏洞,完全無晒說服力,組織同纙輯差到令人失望!唉……

或者等我講清楚點解我會咁不滿「ml」o既言論:
原本佢關心學校成績低落,我都好認同,但佢提出o既建議就係叫校長整頓現在教師表現,更提議一定要鐵腕一點,甚至抄人先掂!跟住,佢又不斷話佢唔知道學校現今情況,佢有提過一個好老師(就只有一個!),但佢點好呢?佢無講過。佢有提過兩位差老師,o個種差係極端差o個種,好難想像而家我地仲係俾o的咁差o既人教!接住落o黎佢舉出的事例,好似自打咀巴咁,真係好難接受!

唔該,求o下你,諗清楚,組織o下,係自己思想上出現問題,可以道歉,可以唔再上message,又或者俾番o的令人信服o既說話,作為成年人,作為有身分有地位o既校友,我真係覺得你好…好…唉,我講唔出口呀!唔該。
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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各位看官,請看請楚這位有為舊生的論點論據,嘗試體會我的憤怒,也評評他有理還是無理!

一、這次他終於舉出了例子,說有兩位不稱職的老師,但卻又出了一位勤力學生,結果努力的還是考得特別好!那位生物科老師,相信不會是現在兩位中的任何一位吧!He was Bio Ho.probably has left

二、九成老師係「按章工作」,一成係廢o既,縱使係「過去式」,請問有幾多人認同先?如果一如佢所講,而以前d成績都咁好,即係佢認為所有成績係歸功於學生自學啦!in late 80s, most of the students were band 1 students, if teachers were not that irresponsible, they could have achieved more. Typical teachers: Bio Ho, mouse, Hong sir....

三、佢有講老師的不是,但無講過半句好老師o既條件!壞老師教三分一課程,我敢講我地而家九成或者全部老師會教晒所有課程;有老師廢嗡生字就算,試問以我地而家學校o既老師o黎計,真係話好廢o既老師絕對唔會多,甚至係無!就咁推斷,咁即係而家o既師資會比以前好啦,咁請問成績低落o既原因又何解呀? One obvious reason, this is the consequence of a vicious cycle: poor school management >>> irresponsible teachers >> students had negatively-added value >> poor academic performance >> bad name >>> poor intake of students ....SFXC becomes a chinese medium school!!!! you all happy.

四、「ml」君,你夠膽o既就講o下你以前o既好老師有幾好,等我地知道o係你o既定義上面何謂好!「ml」,我可以好肯定話你聽,你寫o既o野越o黎越多漏洞,完全無晒說服力,組織同纙輯差到令人失望!唉…… My requirement is very low, those barely completed their duty were already good teachers to me. At the end of the days, this is only a job but I really despise those irresponsible teachers.

或者等我講清楚點解我會咁不滿「ml」o既言論:
原本佢關心學校成績低落,我都好認同,但佢提出o既建議就係叫校長整頓現在教師表現,更提議一定要鐵腕一點,甚至抄人先掂!
I never mentioned this

跟住,佢又不斷話佢唔知道學校現今情況,佢有提過一個好老師(就只有一個!),但佢點好呢?佢無講過。Miss Kwok led small group discussion ( 4-5 students) after school hours to discuss our Chinese composition, pinpointing our weakness. Every student had chance, no discrimination.

佢有提過兩位差老師,o個種差係極端差o個種,好難想像而家我地仲係俾o的咁差o既人教!接住落o黎佢舉出的事例,好似自打咀巴咁,真係好難接受! The English teacher i mentioned has left. The biology teacher probably has also left.

唔該,求o下你,諗清楚,組織o下,係自己思想上出現問題,可以道歉,可以唔再上message,又或者俾番o的令人信服o既說話,作為成年人,作為有身分有地位o既校友,我真係覺得你好…好…唉,我講唔出口呀!唔該。I typed what I thought from my heart, and all i said was true. I did not mean to hurt anybody as the good one and also the poor ones have already left as far as i know.


>各位看官,請看請楚這位有為舊生的論點論據,嘗試體會我的?>垂耤A也評評他有理還是無理!
>
>一、這次他終於舉出了例子,說有兩位不稱職的老師,但卻又?>X了一位勤力學生,結果努力的還是考得特別好!那位耵型鴞?>師,相信不會是現在兩位中的任何一位吧!
>
>二、九成老師係「按章工作」,一成係廢o既,縱使係「過去式
>」,請問有幾多人認同先?如果一如佢所講,而以前d成績都咁
>好,即係佢認為所有成績係歸功於學生自學啦!
>
>三、佢有講老師的不是,但無講過半句好老師o既條件!壞老師
>教三分一課程,我敢講我地而家九成或者全部老師會教晒所有?>珛{;有老師廢嗡生字就算,試問以我地而家學校o既老師o黎計
>,真係話好廢o既老師絕對唔會多,甚至係無!就咁推斷,咁即
>係而家o既師資會比以前好啦,咁請問成績低落o既原因又何解?>r?
>
>四、「ml」君,你夠膽o既就講o下你以前o既好老師有幾好,等
>我地知道o係你o既定義上面何謂好!「ml」,我可以好肯定話?>A聽,你寫o既o野越o黎越多漏洞,完全無晒說服力,組織同纙?>霈t到令人失望!唉……
>
>或者等我講清楚點解我會咁不滿「ml」o既言論:
>原本佢關心學校成績低落,我都好認同,但佢提出o既建議就係
>叫校長整頓現在教師表現,更提議一定要鐵腕一點,甚至抄人?>掂!跟住,佢又不斷話佢唔知道學校現今情況,佢有提過一個
>好老師(就只有一個!),但佢點好呢?佢無講過。佢有提過?>潀鴟t老師,o個種差係極端差o個種,好難想像而家我地仲係俾
>o的咁差o既人教!接住落o黎佢舉出的事例,好似自打咀巴咁,
>真係好難接受!
>
>唔該,求o下你,諗清楚,組織o下,係自己思想上出現問題,?>i以道歉,可以唔再上message,又或者俾番o的令人信服o既說?>隉A作為成年人,作為有身分有地位o既校友,我真係覺得你好?>K好…唉,我講唔出口呀!唔該。
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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隨捕睪
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首先,我諗我真係要平心靜氣落o黎,其實我真係唔想嗌交咁,如果我有任何得罪,我先行道歉。I am sorry!

但「ml」師兄,你提及過o既有問題o既老師,已經全部離職及退休!我阿哥大我十五年,佢都係濟記仔,我同佢傾過老師o既問題,一比之下,我地而家o既老師已經算唔錯,起碼絕大部分已經乎合你o既最低要求,甚至比最低要求好好多,所以我覺得要提升成績,將問題單單指向教師係唔夠o架!

「ml」師兄,你手寫你心固然無問題,但係你未清楚學校情況,現今教師真正整體表現,學生本身學習態度,學生普遍家庭情況,教育改革,就叫校長要點要點,咁咪傷害o左修士同老師o羅!你係大人o黎o架,真係講o野要思前想後,要負責任o架!

成績倒退係事實,校長、老師責無旁貸也是事實,但尚有其他因素,看官可否也一同關注,一併討論,及作心實際建議可以嗎?
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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ml
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但佢提出o既建議就係叫校長整頓現在教師表現,更提議一定要鐵腕一點,甚至抄人先掂!

I never mentioned the above message.


>Just quoted 2 examples:
>one biology teacher taught 1/3 syllabus, and many of
>which were OC, and asked students to die in HKCEE.
>While another teacher bullshitted several vocabularies
>during every English lesson for the whole school
>year.Unfortunately, one student of his class was very
>hardworking and came firt in English during that
>academic year. This demonstrated the importance of
>self-initiatives of students but cannot preclude the
>importance of teachers, especially to those who are
>not that outstanding.
>From my experience, 90% of teachers in SFXC just
>barely completed their duty and 10% were just rubbish.
>( Hay, I use past tense). General speaking, quite a
>few of them were very lazy.
>
>
>>點解一個又係咁,兩個又係咁呢!成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂,
>O
>>K,都話講o下何謂掂,何謂唔掂啦!係你地死都唔肯透露意見
>?>A定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢?講o下好老師
>定
>>義啦,亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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隨捕睪
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Date Posted: 00:13:44 03/26/06 Sun

恕學弟推理奇差,那麼,以下你曾提及過的,到底想校長做些什麼呢?感謝賜教。

“I think Rev Brother Anthony and the teacheres should take the responsibility for the decline.”

“Brother Anthony should try to "attract better raw material" on the one hand and upgrade the performance of his staff on another hand.”

“Rev Brother Anthony, it is time to show your courage.
Teachers are of critical importance.”
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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Date Posted: 23:39:39 03/25/06 Sat

>點解一個又係咁,兩個又係咁呢!成日話聖芳濟有老師唔掂,O
>K,都話講o下何謂掂,何謂唔掂啦!係你地死都唔肯透露意見?>A定係真係出o黎做o野講o野越o黎越無point呢?講o下好老師定
>義啦,亦都講o下唔妥當老師有乜問題好唔好!


唔該你睇真 d 我第一句講咩,我話聖芳濟 d 老師冇心呀!

我唔知係我冇 point 定係你有問題,我用 brother bosco 例子
係証明佢用心教學生自動自覺,堂堂都舉起三隻手指叫同學唸讀。
唔似一 d 321 部隊,每日得過且過。你問我邊過冇心教,第
一個一定係李麗英,我中六七上中化堂果陣,佢堂堂叫人讀課
文,讀完之後就話你地都識架喇,跟住收工。平時最喜歡就做
listening, 自己就咱誘p說黎讀,呢 d 噤既冗員,濟記點會有光明?

最後,我想講一個老師最重要係有心教,就算佢 d 教學方法
係有問題,d 學生都會感受到佢既教學熱誠,起碼唔會覺得佢呃
飯食,而學生都唔會輕易話唔讀,噤學校成績都唔會好似而家咁
一落千丈。
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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Date Posted: 00:33:34 03/26/06 Sun

敢問(但唔知你敢唔敢答):

一、請問「有心的教師」和「落力/勤力的教師」有無分別?如果有,你會覺得邊種好d,點解呢?

二、如果你以其中一位老師o既表現,踩晒全部人,咁樣公平嘛?仲有,我認同每位修士都有佢地o既教育熱誠,但請問你覺得Bosco年代o既教師,同現今o既教師,邊一代「有心」、「落力」同埋「勤力」o的呢?

三、最重要都係:點樣o既老師先至合你心意?單單講「有心」就得,我諗唔夠o卦!?如果「有心」,但無料,又或者控制唔到秩序,你咪又話唔好!唔好講到真係要求得咁單純啦!你認為差o既老師講o左一個,接住就話好o既就走o左,講到好似聖芳濟真係淨係得番o的無用o既人咁!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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Date Posted: 00:53:01 03/26/06 Sun

敢問(但唔知你敢唔敢答):

一、請問「有心的教師」和「落力/勤力的教師」有無分別?如果有,你會覺得邊種好d,點解呢?

Either one is acceptable. At least they have tried their best.


二、如果你以其中一位老師o既表現,踩晒全部人,咁樣公平嘛?仲有,我認同每位修士都有佢地o既教育熱誠,但請問你覺得Bosco年代o既教師,同現今o既教師,邊一代「有心」、「落力」同埋「勤力」o的呢? I only mentioned there were some bad sheep. There were more good teachers.

三、最重要都係:點樣o既老師先至合你心意?單單講「有心」就得,我諗唔夠o卦!?如果「有心」,但無料,又或者控制唔到秩序,你咪又話唔好!唔好講到真係要求得咁單純啦!你認為差o既老師講o左一個,接住就話好o既就走o左,講到好似聖芳濟真係淨係得番o的無用o既人咁!


There are no 無料 teachers, as far as there are recruited, they are qualified. I think what is more important is their attitude. And students should be humble, no matter how bright you are, you are not as knowledgeable as a teacher; no matter how 無料they are, they are more knowlegeagle than you.

Thank you for your attention.






>敢問(但唔知你敢唔敢答):
>
>一、請問「有心的教師」和「落力/勤力的教師」有無分別?如
>果有,你會覺得邊種好d,點解呢?
>
>二、如果你以其中一位老師o既表現,踩晒全部人,咁樣公平嘛
>?仲有,我認同每位修士都有佢地o既教育熱誠,但請問你覺得
>Bosco年代o既教師,同現今o既教師,邊一代「有心」、「落力
>」同埋「勤力」o的呢?
>
>三、最重要都係:點樣o既老師先至合你心意?單單講「有心」
>就得,我諗唔夠o卦!?如果「有心」,但無料,又或者控制唔
>到秩序,你咪又話唔好!唔好講到真係要求得咁單純啦!你認?>乾to既老師講o左一個,接住就話好o既就走o左,講到好似聖芳
>濟真係淨係得番o的無用o既人咁!
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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Date Posted: 01:03:22 03/26/06 Sun

嘻嘻!多謝你回答,但其實我係想「2001 年畢業生」答o既。

我問佢o既o野都係對應番佢o既留言。

Anyway, thank you.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 個人意見


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2001 年畢業生
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Date Posted: 03:17:22 03/26/06 Sun

1. 勤力只係有心既表現。
2. 我用 Brother Bosco 例子係因為佢真係教過我,如果你覺得
現在有其他濟記教師有心,你大可不必回應我。
3. 我想你明白世上無完美既好老師,就算合我心意,都未必
合你心意,如果你硬要說好老師的特質跟本多餘。你讀左咁耐
書,見過咁多老師,你覺得有咩老師令你有深刻既好印象 ?
有料,控制到秩序,定係以永不放棄既態度教學生? 頭一樣,
頭二樣定要晒,或者仲有其他? 你自己都唔知。 但我可以告
訴你,我有深刻印象既 Brother Bosco, 公仔佬同李劍雄都
走晒,只係剩低大頭黃,呢 d 老師令我係知識同品格都有良
好而又深遠既影響,咁你明未?
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 刳瑲


Author:
旯忳價檗鎌排漲腔匊朔
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Date Posted: 17:08:34 03/26/06 Sun

む價檗鎌笯迉綎
厊窱鼯卅齣n眕燮ㄛ稂S斻斻瀼侄藑葇埮珨觳燮斯阨
衱麼氪赻撩珧棯扂華酕ㄛ此r衱蜁覂笭琌賤ㄛ稂衯庛冔^燠荎
橾琌曆ㄛ5D踼瞏^而迣盼^珨圉咂糨硜皮x栯
[> Subject: Re: 其實


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手非長
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Date Posted: 23:24:00 03/25/06 Sat

其實另一個根本的問題就是濟記(特別是預科)的讀書風氣的確比其他band1學校遜色.
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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Date Posted: 00:11:10 03/26/06 Sun

上年我地班f.4成日都俾學校話我地呢樣唔掂..果樣唔得咁....
成日都話我地f.1果時係50年黎成績最好....
f.1果時入學成績好即係話我地唔係冇資質...
但係而家就變到咁差....
好似講到所有責任都響晒我地學生度...
當然我唔係話我地冇責任...
但係老師都難免要負返唔少責任...

濟記再係咁...過多幾年想唔變返中中都幾難...
[> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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Date Posted: 00:37:32 03/26/06 Sun

一、上年你聽到o個o的說話,咁今年情況有如何呢?o的老師又係咁話你地?

二、相比今年同上年,你地同學o的上堂同讀書態度有無改變呀?
[> [> Subject: 我覺得讀書風氣差... 係學生責任>老師bor...


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Date Posted: 19:27:38 03/27/06 Mon

又係用返我當年既例子~ 當年我地2004年7A同學仔, 出去考AL成績係點大家有目共賭... 但係唔知大家知唔知事隔一年, 當年考得唔好既同學仔, repeat完之後既成績又係點呢??

究竟依短短一年的時間, 點解咁多repeat既同學仔上到大學呢? [指的是degree programme]

>上年我地班f.4成日都俾學校話我地呢樣唔掂..果樣唔得咁....
>成日都話我地f.1果時係50年黎成績最好....
>f.1果時入學成績好即係話我地唔係冇資質...
>但係而家就變到咁差....
>好似講到所有責任都響晒我地學生度...
>當然我唔係話我地冇責任...
>但係老師都難免要負返唔少責任...
>
>濟記再係咁...過多幾年想唔變返中中都幾難...
[> Subject: Re: 致"徐步高"


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Date Posted: 10:41:13 03/26/06 Sun

"徐步高"先生,我覺得你還是不應為難ml師兄. 在邏輯上,批評的人是無責任提出改進的意見的. 好像去酒樓吃飯,覺得飯菜不美味,也沒有責任要提出飯菜應該如何改進和具體問題所在.

ml師兄標題只是要表達他失望的感受,我們可以懇請他想想說說他以往學業成功的原因,但他卻沒有責任要提出到底學校師資的問題和提出有效和建設性之意見. 況且畢竟他已畢業多年,又如何可以深入了解現況?
[> [> Subject: Re: 致"徐步高"


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Date Posted: 11:35:56 03/26/06 Sun

咁又唔係咁講喎!

一、提出問題,當然可以唔俾解決方案啦!但呢個唔係「邏輯」問題,我諗你用錯詞語。但我相信如果真係為學校好,俾o的意見亦無妨。

二、就用番你個酒樓比喻,咁「ml」呢位食客o既意思就係以前o係「酒樓」食過o野,覺得o的侍應/廚師唔掂,但生意額仍不俗。事隔幾年,生意額下降,其實差o既屬下好多都走o左,但好耐無去過酒樓o既食客就話新老細要管o下o的下屬,完全無考慮過其他因素。當然,淨係提出問題,唔俾解決方業絕對可以,只不過係一個高質評論者,同平庸/唔成熟者o既分別。

不過,你o既睇法同作風不嬲都係咁,支持「齋鬧無罪」,只從主觀角度看事物,聽從單一訊息來源,深信不疑!以前係咁,而家係咁,完全無變!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 致"徐步高"


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Date Posted: 16:07:49 03/26/06 Sun

我只係認為如果能夠理性和諧地去討論,才會引起更多歷屆師兄支持,發表更多偉論,這些都是濟記需要的。ml師兄的負面感受雖然令我們「濟記仔」覺得遺憾,但我認為ml師兄都係想給學校管理層一服「改革推動劑」。
另一方面,我真係覺得每個上0黎講野的「濟記仔」都無罪,因為我覺得佢地都係「有心人」,包括我和你在內。
最後,我覺得各位師兄在濟記求學路程中成功和失敗的經歷都是師弟們的明燈,也是學校改進的一份力量,懇請繼續多多回想,多多發表,一定有人會珍而重之的。
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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Date Posted: 11:14:52 03/26/06 Sun

>二、相比今年同上年,你地同學o的上堂同讀書態度有無改變呀?

當然有改變,我就真係唔相信乜都係我地學生既錯
有時都係50 50,學生成績唔好,兩邊都有問題

不過我又對ml君既發帖有問題
佢講到我地d老師真係一文不值
出到去都冇人要咁
ml君,你地個年有幾多個醫生,幾多個工程師等等,同我地有咩關係?
我睇到就只不過覺得你係度哂命,而家既香港學生點可以同以前個d比?
不如你將而家d人既收入同30年前比丫好唔好? 邊度有得比?

如果閣下覺得sfxc既老師係會令到學校由Band 1 去到 band 5,咁你返來教lo好唔好? 順帶一提,而家冇band 5架啦ml君

有時知唔知道咩叫做狗眼看人低?
[> Subject: 只要大家把自己當作校董……


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公仔佬
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Date Posted: 13:21:23 03/26/06 Sun

各位校董:
我們今天召開校董會的唯一議程是「如何提升學校學與教的效能」,我們希望在這次會議結束前,能為學校制定一個新的三年計劃。不知各位校董有何高見?

(濟記同學最缺乏的訓練,便是:在議事堂前細心聆聽別人的意見並認真作出回應;膽大心細地提出個人的見解並心平氣和地接受人家的質詢及給予適當的回應;而最後,在討論完結時可與同儕達致共識。)

大家發言的出發點都是本著一份關心學校的心,何必以不歡而散告終?
[> [> Subject: Re: 只要大家把自己當作校董……


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gut
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Date Posted: 00:35:48 03/27/06 Mon

Being a member of the board of directors, I think we should first prioritize the targets: what do we want our mother school to achieve within (say) three years, given our limited resources & rigid political structures?

1. A school with outstanding public exam results?
2. A school with students having "good" ethics or personal characters?
3. A school with outstanding performance in extra-curriculum activities?
...etc. (you are welcome to give more suggestions!)

Of course, we want them all, but the reality does not allow this to happen, at least in the near future. The next step is to break down the objectives into more specific goals. For instance,

Re (1) above: To push academic results, which areas should we focus on? Science/art/language/business? Which subjects (English? Maths? Physics? Economics?)? Which levels (f.3? f.5? f.7? keeping the new 3-3-4 system in mind)?

Re (2) above: Which aspects of personal characters do we think is the most important? Independence? Critical thinking? Social skills? Br.bosco's three-finger philosophy? Poon sir's "gentle in manner & resolute in action"?
...etc.

All the above goals need to be prioritized. To do this, we can ask ourselves: if an outsider is asked to comment on SFXC, what would you like him to answer?
1. I never heard of it...is it at Shek Kip Mei? (this is perhaps our current status?)
2. It is a Band 1 school! (like Wah Yan, DBS, etc.?)
3. Its students speak very good English (like Marynoll?).
4. It students have very good conduct.
5. It has a very strong basketball team.
...etc.

So, do you have any opinions on the future directions of our school? My opinion is that academic results should take priority, and I want SFXC to build upon its strength on Maths (both Shing sir and John sir are excellent and I learnt much from them). The second priority should go to culture students' personal characters, and I want to see SFXC students having qualities like "willing to share/sacrifice". Anyway, these are my narrow-minded opinions which you may disagree. I am more than happy to know your views.

After identifying some directions, we can proceed to solve the "how" question: how to achieve the targets? Perhaps we shall deal with this later?
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
info
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Date Posted: 21:57:32 03/26/06 Sun

sfxs 2004 , 2005 results
[> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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ml
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Date Posted: 22:38:12 03/26/06 Sun

How about That of SFXC?
Too bad to be revealed?



> >target=blank>sfxs 2004 , 2005 results
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
熊仔
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Date Posted: 00:07:40 03/27/06 Mon

今時唔同往日
師兄你走左係事實
學校讀書風氣差都係事實
不過旁觀者清..師兄而家都算局外人
希望唔好言過偏坦一面
中肯d好囉
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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Date Posted: 18:31:31 03/27/06 Mon

由旁人角度睇隨捕睪根本雞蛋裡挑骨頭插ml
[> Subject: 年多前校友對成績低落的回應(僅作參考)


Author:
好仁
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Date Posted: 17:42:48 03/29/06 Wed

1) 學校已發覺問題的存在
2) 公開試成績有起有落,不用過份著緊一兩屆成績


個人之見,聖芳濟書院中存有大量問題,已是不爭的事實。(不然九濟堂又怎會有如此多留言,我們這種畢業生又會一肚子怨氣?)

我會想,校方行政當局應開放溝通渠道,讓舊生、學生有機會發表意見。也可以定期將學校的現況和發展路向向外界公佈,使舊生們可以多多了解。

不過主觀一點地說,Bro. Anthony是一名修士,氣量和尺度比一般人寬鬆。對於一個教育工作者而言,這當然是百利而無一害。可是作為一個決策人,似乎會使下屬養成得過且過的性格。希望Bro.Anthony能在兩者間取得平衡。

話分兩頭,Bro.Anthony的身體狀況其實一直不太好,其實又很難要求一位體弱多病的長者作大改進。唯有寄望新任校長能有魄力去面對這多事之秋。
[> [> Subject: should be" 校方" but not "校友"


Author:
好仁
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Date Posted: 17:45:06 03/29/06 Wed

sorry
[> [> Subject: Re: 年多前校友對成績低落的回應(僅作參考)


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ml
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Date Posted: 17:58:48 03/29/06 Wed

1) 學校已發覺問題的存在
2) 公開試成績有起有落,不用過份著緊一兩屆成績

It is quite shamful to have such a response from the school. The school authority dare not even admit the problem. If there is no problem, there is no need to improve or even pay attention to, right?

May be 10 years later, the school will give this response:
Chinese is our mother tongue, we are glad the our students can be taught in Chinese. Moreover, most of the students are positively value-added,as reflecting from the open exam results; we got many passes even though the majority of them are from Band 3. Our school sticks to the principle of teaching those most in need.





>1) 學校已發覺問題的存在
>2) 公開試成績有起有落,不用過份著緊一兩屆成績
>
>
>個人之見,聖芳濟書院中存有大量問題,已是不爭的事實。(不
>然九濟堂又怎會有如此多留言,我們這種畢業生又會一肚子怨?>臐H)
>
>我會想,校方行政當局應開放溝通渠道,讓舊生、學生有機會?>o表意見。也可以定期將學校的現況和發展路向向外界公佈,使
>舊生們可以多多了解。
>
>不過主觀一點地說,Bro.
>Anthony是一名修士,氣量和尺度比一般人寬鬆。對於一個教育
>工作者而言,這當然是百利而無一害。可是作為一個決策人,?>乎會使下屬養成得過且過的性格。希望Bro.Anthony能在兩者?>”得平衡。
>
>話分兩頭,Bro.Anthony的身體狀況其實一直不太好,其實又很
>難要求一位體弱多病的長者作大改進。唯有寄望新任校長能有?>z力去面對這多事之秋。
[> [> Subject: Re: 年多前校友對成績低落的回應(僅作參考)


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濟濟精神
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Date Posted: 21:02:49 03/29/06 Wed

一、張開你的眼,看清楚那是誰的留言!是校方的回應嗎?
二、敢問一句「ml」,你怎樣看待你的母校?感激嗎?還是過客一名?
三、自你畢業後,有回過母校嗎?有參加過學校的敘會嗎?沒有的話,為何?有的話,感覺怎樣?
四、除了學校的公開試成績,你了解或者關心學校的其他情況嗎?
五、你的同學(不知有否包括你在內!)因為學校「變差」所以「過門不入」,這種態度你如何評價?
六、至此,你曾為母校做了些什麼?
七、未來你會為母校做些什麼?

敬請賜教!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 年多前校友對成績低落的回應(僅作參考)


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Date Posted: 22:08:42 03/29/06 Wed

一、張開你的眼,看清楚那是誰的留言!是校方的回應嗎?I assumed the information provided was true and I hope "ho yan" is an honest guy.
二、敢問一句「ml」,你怎樣看待你的母校?感激嗎?還是過客一名?So much thanks to my school. I love her so much, that is why I have so much criticism.
三、自你畢業後,有回過母校嗎?有參加過學校的敘會嗎?沒有的話,為何?有的話,感覺怎樣?Had attended some years ago.
四、除了學校的公開試成績,你了解或者關心學校的其他情況嗎?Yes, sure. Probably I know far more than you.
五、你的同學(不知有否包括你在內!)因為學校「變差」所以「過門不入」,這種態度你如何評價?They did not mean what they said, just voiced out their anger. I came back to SFXC in 2003, on the day of CE results announcement, seemed not that bad. Occasionally passed by, seeing juniors bbq in playground, quite warm.
六、至此,你曾為母校做了些什麼?quite ashamed of myself
七、未來你會為母校做些什麼?Thank you for your questions.




>一、張開你的眼,看清楚那是誰的留言!是校方的回應嗎?
>二、敢問一句「ml」,你怎樣看待你的母校?感激嗎?還是過?>一名?
>三、自你畢業後,有回過母校嗎?有參加過學校的敘會嗎?沒?>釭爾隉A為何?有的話,感覺怎樣?
>四、除了學校的公開試成績,你了解或者關心學校的其他情況?>隉H
>五、你的同學(不知有否包括你在內!)因為學校「變差」所?>H「過門不入」,這種態度你如何評價?
>六、至此,你曾為母校做了些什麼?
>七、未來你會為母校做些什麼?
>
>敬請賜教!
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 年多前校友對成績低落的回應(僅作參考)


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濟濟精神
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Date Posted: 09:26:03 03/30/06 Thu

三、自你畢業後,有回過母校嗎?有參加過學校的敘會嗎?沒有的話,為何?有的話,感覺怎樣?Had attended some years ago.
-----以你三年前的印像來批評三年後的情況,這可以嗎?

四、除了學校的公開試成績,你了解或者關心學校的其他情況嗎?Yes, sure. Probably I know far more than you.
-----第三點先話三年前返過o黎,呢一點又話好關心,仲話了解/關心多過我!?費解?哦!我知o勒,一定係我地o的校長同老師要定時同你匯報學校情況啦!否則,第三、第四點可以點解釋?

五、你的同學(不知有否包括你在內!)因為學校「變差」所以「過門不入」,這種態度你如何評價?They did not mean what they said, just voiced out their anger. I came back to SFXC in 2003, on the day of CE results announcement, seemed not that bad. Occasionally passed by, seeing juniors bbq in playground, quite warm.
-----咁你當初就唔好亂咁話佢地「過門不入」啦!個問題係當你地咁愛母校,發現成績差o左,個反應就係「唔願返o黎,覺得無面」,我想你解釋呢種係乜o野態度呀?你o係度答乜o者?

六、至此,你曾為母校做了些什麼?quite ashamed of myself
-----又話愛母校,又無乜點返o黎學校,但又唔知點解咁了解學校個情況,又無為母校做過o的乜,批評學校成績低落就只係指出校長老師有問題,我諗我最滿意你呢個答案:該為你的言論覺得羞恥!

七、未來你會為母校做些什麼?Thank you for your questions.
-----嘩!以此作結,無答過最後一條問題!大家,唔該睇清楚呢位師兄o既態度啦!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 年多前校友對成績低落的回應(僅作參考)


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Date Posted: 13:20:05 03/30/06 Thu

I have no obligation to give you anything. I owe you nothing. What I contribute to my mother school may not be something materialistic. I started this disucussion in this forum was already some kind of concern. Any you guys just cannot accept any criticism. I am not sure whether you are a student or a teacher. What we wanted to discuss was the future of SFXC and not whether I love SFXC or not, or how much I contributed to SFXC. What we alumni have done in our society is already something good to our society and thus to SFXC. I regret I cannot give something like $3 million to SFXC (I typed incorrectly using ashamed of).

There is nothing to be ashamed of. What have I done wrong?
I own you nothing. It is kind that I brought about the issue for discussion. You guys just shied away from the topic and just asked what my contribution was.

You teachers are paid to teach students. You are oblied to teach them well. You owe them your duty. It is not my responsibility to give you anthing.

I am not studying in SFXC and i am not a staff in SFXC. What do you expect me to know?

What I know quite unmistakenably is that SFXC know has very poor academic performance. Its students smoking and talking foul language along Nathan Road in school suit.
And We alumni think that we are not one of them and we are quite different from them.

Do I have the right to voice out my opinion even if I never joint any school activities?
Do I need to give something to SFXC before I raise concern about SFXC?
I dont think I will contribut anything to SFXC in the future, and therefore I must shut up, don't I?????





>三、自你畢業後,有回過母校嗎?有參加過學校的敘會嗎?沒?>釭爾隉A為何?有的話,感覺怎樣?Had attended some years
>ago.
>-----以你三年前的印像來批評三年後的情況,這可以嗎?
>
>四、除了學校的公開試成績,你了解或者關心學校的其他情況?>隉HYes, sure. Probably I know far more than you.
>-----第三點先話三年前返過o黎,呢一點又話好關心,仲話了?>?關心多過我!?費解?哦!我知o勒,一定係我地o的校長同?>悎v要定時同你匯報學校情況啦!否則,第三、第四點可以點解
>釋?
>
>五、你的同學(不知有否包括你在內!)因為學校「變差」所?>H「過門不入」,這種態度你如何評價?They did not mean
>what they said, just voiced out their anger. I came
>back to SFXC in 2003, on the day of CE results
>announcement, seemed not that bad. Occasionally passed
>by, seeing juniors bbq in playground, quite warm.
>-----咁你當初就唔好亂咁話佢地「過門不入」啦!個問題係當
>你地咁愛母校,發現成績差o左,個反應就係「唔願返o黎,覺?>o無面」,我想你解釋呢種係乜o野態度呀?你o係度答乜o者?
>
>六、至此,你曾為母校做了些什麼?quite ashamed of myself
>-----又話愛母校,又無乜點返o黎學校,但又唔知點解咁了解?>ヴ晜荓〞p,又無為母校做過o的乜,批評學校成績低落就只係?>出校長老師有問題,我諗我最滿意你呢個答案:該為你的言論
>覺得羞恥!
>
>七、未來你會為母校做些什麼?Thank you for your
>questions.
>-----嘩!以此作結,無答過最後一條問題!大家,唔該睇清楚
>呢位師兄o既態度啦!
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 年多前校友對成績低落的回應(僅作參考)


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Date Posted: 21:31:38 03/30/06 Thu

Dear alumni, do you feel angry now? We know that you maybe concern our school and you really point out the problem. However, if you just point the problem and ask for the reasons behind, I think no one can challenge your opinion. It is a pity that you assume the declination must be caused by the failure of the principal and teachers. Actually, it is only part of the reasons! Expressing concern and opinion can be in many different ways and you have chosen a way with many misleading terms or evidence. In addition, your (and your fellow schoolmates')attitude towards the mother school (which becomes less bright nowadays!) seems to be quite "SPECIAL" and I don't know how to describe.

As a current SFX boy, I really enjoy the school life. I've found some normal or 'lazy" teachers but I'm sure that most of them are very good. Of course, as a band one school, teaching students to get better results is a must! And I hope that all of us (principal, teachers and students, and "ml" is also invited!)can do our best to achieve the target.

Let us calm down and discuss more. OK?
[> Subject: control sample


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Date Posted: 10:19:16 03/30/06 Thu

http://www.hssc.edu.hk/2005AL.htm
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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5D既路人
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Date Posted: 21:43:25 04/01/06 Sat

ml君
你睇完04 05sfxs既成績後
講左一句"How about That of SFXC?
Too bad to be revealed?"
呢d叫做多謝自己母校?
你自以為是吧?

你認為自己非常強係唔係? 我就講你一個錯處出來
你係回post時都用英文,咁je係你英文好勁啦?
請問一下你個句"So much thanks to my school"解咩你自己知唔知?
係解"太多由於我既學校"
thanks to都用錯? 閣下有咩資格話人?
用thanks for呀先生

你串得人成績,je係你自己好勁啦,應該係唔會有錯,文法無敵架啦?
點解會咁『唔小心』錯d咁既野呀........
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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So much thanksa to Mr.ML
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Date Posted: 21:44:36 04/01/06 Sat

學校不需要你對它有希望,當然,閣下失望與否,也與學校無關
如果閣下認為學校帶給你的是:一段失望的回憶,fine,那麼請閣下不要再到此,因為本校應該不適合閣下的

如果閣下認為我們成績不好的話,那又為何要用英文作typing method?難道是在我們這些學生前"拋書包"?還是,閣下根本不懂得打中文?

如果閣下認為,我們令你disappointed,fine,那麼就請回吧

天生我才必有用,千金散盡還復來
多欣賞,少批評
這句是我某一同學給我的

當然,閣下如此驚為天人的說話也可以出街實在令人百思不得其解,亦令我們這些後輩也非常disappointed

p.s:
Thanks for是解作"因為"或"歸咎於"
而非感謝的意思
【太多東西了,由於我的學校】
請先想想自己打的東西是否符合文法
也要想想自己的英文是否達到水平

有時想拋書包,也要想想自己的書包是否過重,搞不好等會壓住自己就貽笑大方了
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So much thanks to Mr.ML
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Date Posted: 21:45:42 04/01/06 Sat

不好意思,本人的名字是So much thanks to Mr.ML
在此澄清
無謂打錯東西
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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5D既路人
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Date Posted: 21:47:48 04/01/06 Sat

補充一下
ml君
『君子求諸己,小人求諸人』
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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So much thanks to Mr.ML
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Date Posted: 21:48:59 04/01/06 Sat

Thanks to才是解作"因為"或"歸咎於"
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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kl
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Date Posted: 18:26:06 04/03/06 Mon

我唔覺得ml兄所說的東西有乜問題
如果是為了串人而說話又不討論ml兄拋出來的問題乾脆不要來說
這裡不是串人嘉年華
聽完ml兄的說話後我會反思
並以那些八幾年的師兄為榜樣繼續努力
我就睇唔出ml兄開這個topic係為左show off
那些技不如人又嫉妒的人見到比自己能力高的人自然話人串
例如5D既路人這類
慘得過人地那一年做得到,慘得過你地那一年做唔到
人地拋D fact出離都會話人串,無聊
最後就係唔該唔好再在與討論題目無關的地方轉來轉去
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請先搞清楚情況
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>我唔覺得ml兄所說的東西有乜問題
>如果是為了串人而說話又不討論ml兄拋出來的問題乾脆不要來?>?>這裡不是串人嘉年華
>聽完ml兄的說話後我會反思
>並以那些八幾年的師兄為榜樣繼續努力
>我就睇唔出ml兄開這個topic係為左show off
>那些技不如人又嫉妒的人見到比自己能力高的人自然話人串
>例如5D既路人這類
>慘得過人地那一年做得到,慘得過你地那一年做唔到
>人地拋D fact出離都會話人串,無聊
>最後就係唔該唔好再在與討論題目無關的地方轉來轉去


如果真是如閣下所說,真的令他本人十分失望的話,那麼,閣下也就必定是認為我們學校非常了,是嗎?
即是呢,閣下也點明發言目的,基本上,本人看見閣下也沒有對ML先生的問題作出什麼有建設的回應,而我節

目的只是,閣下只是為反駁"5D既路人"的言論而發言,甚或給本人看到我,只是求其找一句"聽完ml兄的說話

後我會反思,並以那些八幾年的師兄為榜樣繼續努力"作為簡單回應便算

而本人也沒有說過ML君是為了show off而發起話題,反而,本人見到的是,有人不知他人的能力到了哪裡就

開口說像某人一樣何等的差,而"5D既路人"亦沒有說過嫉妒別人呢,相反,我看見的,只是有一個人沒有看清

別人的能力便說例如什麼什麼人的說話

當然,相比下來,此等人一定只會說什麼技不如人.因為,這些人正是說中了自己.

對於"慘得過人地那一年做得到,慘得過你地那一年做唔到"這話,如果閣下認為是對的,就請直接說出來,因

為最慘的是,本人看見某人要說了一輪話才道出自己的主旨.當然,我不敢說那人無聊,而可做的,只有為那

人而感到萬分的悲哀,還有,說人請先清楚情況,我們是今年會考的學生,閣下用"那年"是實為非常不對的

>>人地拋D fact出離都會話人串,無聊
對呀,真的是非常無聊啊,無聊是指那些"事實"到底是真的也未知

最後,某人說:與題目無關我不要再說
而本人也懇請那位不關事的人,先做好自己,認清楚什麼情況,然後才說人我不是
當然,如果有足夠證據的話,也請不要說出"例如某某"的說話



>>有冇串人都好, 而家唔掂就係唔掂, 唔通下下硬係要人地話"你好叻呀"咁咩...= =

接受現實and改進下啦, 人地一話你就只識串人, 有乜用...


對,而且,聖芳濟收生的標準,一年比一年低
而沒有說要那位ML君讚現今學生如何好,如何"叻"
因為,的確,這幾年來的學生質素,也是每況愈下的
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ml
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Date Posted: 23:39:16 04/03/06 Mon

Seeing your reply, I can imagine what the standard of teacher ( at least you ) is!!!



>>我唔覺得ml兄所說的東西有乜問題
>>如果是為了串人而說話又不討論ml兄拋出來的問題乾脆不要來
>?>?>這裡不是串人嘉年華
>>聽完ml兄的說話後我會反思
>>並以那些八幾年的師兄為榜樣繼續努力
>>我就睇唔出ml兄開這個topic係為左show off
>>那些技不如人又嫉妒的人見到比自己能力高的人自然話人串
>>例如5D既路人這類
>>慘得過人地那一年做得到,慘得過你地那一年做唔到
>>人地拋D fact出離都會話人串,無聊
>>最後就係唔該唔好再在與討論題目無關的地方轉來轉去
>
>
>如果真是如閣下所說,真的令他本人十分失望的話,那麼,閣下也
>就必定是認為我們學校非常了,是嗎?
>即是呢,閣下也點明發言目的,基本上,本人看見閣下也沒有對ML
>先生的問題作出什麼有建設的回應,而我節
>
>目的只是,閣下只是為反駁"5D既路人"的言論而發言,甚或給本?>H看到我,只是求其找一句"聽完ml兄的說話
>
>後我會反思,並以那些八幾年的師兄為榜樣繼續努力"作為簡單?>^應便算
>
>而本人也沒有說過ML君是為了show
>off而發起話題,反而,本人見到的是,有人不知他人的能力到了?>裡就
>
>開口說像某人一樣何等的差,而"5D既路人"亦沒有說過嫉妒別人
>呢,相反,我看見的,只是有一個人沒有看清
>
>別人的能力便說例如什麼什麼人的說話
>
>當然,相比下來,此等人一定只會說什麼技不如人.因為,這些人?>翱O說中了自己.
>
>對於"慘得過人地那一年做得到,慘得過你地那一年做唔到"這話
>,如果閣下認為是對的,就請直接說出來,因
>
>為最慘的是,本人看見某人要說了一輪話才道出自己的主旨.當?>M,我不敢說那人無聊,而可做的,只有為那
>
>人而感到萬分的悲哀,還有,說人請先清楚情況,我們是今年會考
>的學生,閣下用"那年"是實為非常不對的
>
>>>人地拋D fact出離都會話人串,無聊
>對呀,真的是非常無聊啊,無聊是指那些"事實"到底是真的也未?>?>
>最後,某人說:與題目無關我不要再說
>而本人也懇請那位不關事的人,先做好自己,認清楚什麼情況,然
>後才說人我不是
>當然,如果有足夠證據的話,也請不要說出"例如某某"的說話
>
>
>
>>>有冇串人都好, 而家唔掂就係唔掂,
>唔通下下硬係要人地話"你好叻呀"咁咩...= =
>
>接受現實and改進下啦, 人地一話你就只識串人, 有乜用...
>
>
>對,而且,聖芳濟收生的標準,一年比一年低
>而沒有說要那位ML君讚現今學生如何好,如何"叻"
>因為,的確,這幾年來的學生質素,也是每況愈下的
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Date Posted: 23:48:21 04/03/06 Mon

Don't change your name from time to time.
BA should have fired you!!!
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Date Posted: 23:50:00 04/03/06 Mon

Don't change your name from time to time.
BA should have fired you!!!
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I am a TEACHER?!
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Date Posted: 21:46:32 04/04/06 Tue

>Don't change your name from time to time.
>BA should have fired you!!!

I like change my name?
So what?
Do you want me to give you a CD called "I Love My Name"@@?

Hey,it is too good to be true if BA fired me
Why?Because I am a student,ha!

p.s
I change my name this time
And I will change my name in future
But,one thins won't change forever,
that is,you will know whi am I since I changed my name
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Date Posted: 21:07:40 04/03/06 Mon

有冇串人都好, 而家唔掂就係唔掂, 唔通下下硬係要人地話"你好叻呀"咁咩...= =

接受現實and改進下啦, 人地一話你就只識串人, 有乜用...
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Date Posted: 16:49:34 04/04/06 Tue

>係? 原來我地今年真係咁差
>慘得過咁差都睇到一d『勁』師兄用英文既錯處呢.......
>拋fact一件事,佢加以取笑我地而家既學校就另一回事
>聽過一位中文老師講過『成績好又點? 你人格衰一樣係冇用。』
>順帶一提,呢一位中文老師一定係好老師來,唔駛諗住又用d咩points
>走去話佢講d野冇用

但我在本貼唔見得ml人格係衰
人地冇串任何人wo, 係你小人之心諗左去第二面je
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5D既路人
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>但我在本貼唔見得ml人格係衰
>人地冇串任何人wo, 係你小人之心諗左去第二面je

如果你既觀點係真係o岩既話,你話會唔會有咁多人同個位咁『好』既師兄理論呢?

冇串任何人係你自己冇睇清楚定點?

"How about SfXC.
Too bad to be revealed?"
↑咁我想問下呢句野佢用意何在?

即使承閣下之言,我是小人又如何? 咁只不過代表緊個位師兄仲小je,我既小人level對住個位師兄都只不過會黯然失色呢 ^^,F.2既師弟,知唔知道咩係黯然失色呢? 唔好同我講唔知呀 =.="
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Date Posted: 15:39:25 04/04/06 Tue

>我唔覺得ml兄所說的東西有乜問題

物以類聚,閣下覺得冇問題唔緊要
我地覺得有問題就得架啦 ^^

>如果是為了串人而說話又不討論ml兄拋出來的問題乾脆不要來說
>這裡不是串人嘉年華

原來反對=串人
算啦,當我串,若果你地係有points既話,需要怕人地串你嗎?
串人嘉年華? 好名,請問你而家幾多歲? 有時唔好作一d令人發笑既名詞啦

>聽完ml兄的說話後我會反思
>並以那些八幾年的師兄為榜樣繼續努力

我都會反思,會反思一下點解我會有d咁既師兄,以取笑自己師弟為樂呢

>我就睇唔出ml兄開這個topic係為左show off
>那些技不如人又嫉妒的人見到比自己能力高的人自然話人串
>例如5D既路人這類

嫉妒嗎? 如果你呢個point係正確既話.....
你好似岩岩話緊我地串wo......
咁你未又係『技不如人又嫉妒的人見到比自己能力高』? @.@
再者,閣下又係我條蟲嗎? 又會知我心入邊諗咩ge.......
唔通......你係個d..............

>慘得過人地那一年做得到,慘得過你地那一年做唔到
>人地拋D fact出離都會話人串,無聊
>最後就係唔該唔好再在與討論題目無關的地方轉來轉去

係? 原來我地今年真係咁差
慘得過咁差都睇到一d『勁』師兄用英文既錯處呢.......
拋fact一件事,佢加以取笑我地而家既學校就另一回事
聽過一位中文老師講過『成績好又點? 你人格衰一樣係冇用。』
順帶一提,呢一位中文老師一定係好老師來,唔駛諗住又用d咩points走去話佢講d野冇用
============================================================================
>Seeing your reply, I can imagine what the standard of teacher ( at least you ) is!!!

嬲呢? 好火呢? 係唔係嬲到眼火爆呢? ^0^
知唔知個位唔係老師來架? 『勁』師兄
佢只不過係一位學生來架咋
閣下唔會『勁』到學生老師都分錯呀?
如果真係既話,真係要寫個『好』字俾你呢

>Don't change your name from time to time.
>BA should have fired you!!!

原來BA會走去炒一個學生 @.@ 可怕
『勁』師兄啊,唔好咁嬲啦,嬲得多傷身呀 /_\
萬一有咩事點算呀......要搵你個十幾個醫生朋友幫你醫架......
=============================================================================
>有冇串人都好, 而家唔掂就係唔掂, 唔通下下硬係要人地話"你好叻呀"咁咩...= =
>接受現實and改進下啦, 人地一話你就只識串人, 有乜用...

咁又係,如果係跟據『勁』師兄可靠既資料顯示
我地SFXC既學生質素+人格又真係一年不如一年呢,係唔係? ^^
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Date Posted: 18:11:05 04/04/06 Tue

5D既路人, 道理唔係你度, 你唔夠人講嫁喇....得個串字
你話人串, 都只不過係你小人之心唔抵得
"我地SFXC既學生質素+人格又真係一年不如一年呢,係唔係? ^^"
顯得你係幾咁無賴
不過你說錯了
人格差的只係你, 你這句影衰哂全sfxc的學生, 唉!

>Don't change your name from time to time.
>BA should have fired you!!!
我個人覺得唔係ml本人寫的, 根據我既推測應該係某個小人用來中傷ml的人格

p.s. 你唔夠人講就只係識去踩人,唔識去講道理, 我做f.2既都睇唔起你
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Date Posted: 21:39:10 04/04/06 Tue

>5D既路人, 道理唔係你度, 你唔夠人講嫁喇....得個串字
唉,算啦
我亦唔見得道理咁就會企係你果邊
亦唔見得你有幾善辯喎,哈
原來呢,人地笑學生係道理
我地還擊就無道理
敢問閣下思想未成熟丫,定係理解能力不足呢?

>你話人串, 都只不過係你小人之心唔抵得
有時串人呢,唔代表係小人架
唔通曾特首成日玩暗串就等於佢係賤人@@?
雖然我都知你串,呵?
仲有呀,唔串,唔代表無小人之心
唔通你覺得自己係個義人@@?不過我點都睇唔出架喇

>"我地SFXC既學生質素+人格又真係一年不如一年呢,係唔係? ^^"
>顯得你係幾咁無賴
自評+自省=無賴
厲害
可見閣下數學同中文能力確見一斑
呵?
其實係定有人為左辯護自己唔係果D一年不如一年既人而講咁多野呢@@?

>不過你說錯了
>人格差的只係你, 你這句影衰哂全sfxc的學生, 唉!
人地梗係講錯啦
因為佢一句野,如果可以影響成間學校的話,我都好想咁做喎
只會睇事物表面+為自己辯護既人
同呢D人點講都無用
點解?因為人地質素低嘛\@.@/

不過算啦
有無道理都好
串就係串
駛咩講咁多道理
尤其係對D自認"高尚",詻人係無賴果D呀~~哈@@~~
原來從一個人既理解能力已經可以睇得出,人最鍾意既,係貶低人地來讚頌自己,絕呀
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Date Posted: 21:41:31 04/04/06 Tue

>其實係定有人為左辯護自己唔係果D一年不如一年既人而講咁多野呢@@?
係"定係"先岩

>尤其係對D自認"高尚",詻人係無賴果D呀~~哈@@~~
係"話人"
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>>5D既路人, 道理唔係你度, 你唔夠人講嫁喇....得個串字
>唉,算啦
>我亦唔見得道理咁就會企係你果邊
>亦唔見得你有幾善辯喎,哈
>原來呢,人地笑學生係道理
>我地還擊就無道理
>敢問閣下思想未成熟丫,定係理解能力不足呢?
>
>>你話人串, 都只不過係你小人之心唔抵得
>有時串人呢,唔代表係小人架
>唔通曾特首成日玩暗串就等於佢係賤人@@?
>雖然我都知你串,呵?
>仲有呀,唔串,唔代表無小人之心
>唔通你覺得自己係個義人@@?不過我點都睇唔出架喇
>
>>"我地SFXC既學生質素+人格又真係一年不如一年呢,係唔係?
>^^"
>>顯得你係幾咁無賴
>自評+自省=無賴
>厲害
>可見閣下數學同中文能力確見一斑
>呵?
>其實係定有人為左辯護自己唔係果D一年不如一年既人而講咁多
>野呢@@?
>
>>不過你說錯了
>>人格差的只係你, 你這句影衰哂全sfxc的學生, 唉!
>人地梗係講錯啦
>因為佢一句野,如果可以影響成間學校的話,我都好想咁做喎
>只會睇事物表面+為自己辯護既人
>同呢D人點講都無用
>點解?因為人地質素低嘛\@.@/
>
>不過算啦
>有無道理都好
>串就係串
>駛咩講咁多道理
>尤其係對D自認"高尚",詻人係無賴果D呀~~哈@@~~
>原來從一個人既理解能力已經可以睇得出,人最鍾意既,係貶低�
>H地來讚頌自己,絕呀


o, 原來你like串, ok, 我f.2 而己, 比你串飽佢囉
你呢d所謂既"串"就算串到人又點丫...唔通會變人以前d人咁勁?
盡情地"串"我吧~ 說不定可以滿足到你個bo

加上展開罵戰的是你, 唔見得你人格有幾好
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>o, 原來你like串, ok, 我f.2 而己, 比你串飽佢囉
>你呢d所謂既"串"就算串到人又點丫...唔通會變人以前d人咁勁?
>盡情地"串"我吧~ 說不定可以滿足到你個bo

加上展開罵戰的是你, 唔見得你人格有幾好

我就真係無咁多時間串你喇
畢竟,呢D野都係有時間無野做搵野打發時間咁話姐,無傷大雅
姐係呢?我串又唔會變成以前咁勁
如果得喇喎,我都想呀
不過呢,得閒串下人,真係身心都得以舒暢@@~
算啦,反正都係玩具一件姐
盡情串你?咁多時間,不如溫下書好過
記住:你只不過係件玩具
唔好以為我會花好多時間精力,盡情串你呀/_\
我尚有好多路要走

同埋呢,我本人就只係想講
人地睇唔起我地,fine,無法啦
把口生係人地身上,我理得人地去死咩

我人格唔好?
小朋友@@我從來無講過我人格好喎
我邊似得某D【義人】擁有高尚品格呢?

除非你同我講,你係耶穌,你擁有良好品格
否則,都唔該諗下,話人無品前,諗下自己係咪一樣先

記住喇,玩具\@.@/
(唔鍾意?咁算囉,義人)

p.s所講既串,請問係咪姐係唔串呀@@?
咁姐係話
有人自己打自己咀巴@@~~
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另外回覆一些不是玩"串咀"的人
學校始終都是自己的
如果真是為了學校著想的,沒所謂
不過,如果以我們的質素和以前學生的質素相比
第一,本人覺得非常不公平
第二,本人認為這是對我們這些後輩的一大侮辱
[> [> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
5D既路人
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Date Posted: 19:59:28 04/05/06 Wed

>5D既路人, 道理唔係你度, 你唔夠人講嫁喇....得個串字
>你話人串, 都只不過係你小人之心唔抵得

道理唔係我度? 可笑也
你支持個位師兄,je係你同意我地學校既老師不濟啦?
我可以同你講
就拎我班既中文老師來做例子
好多學生,都包括我,都認為佢教唔到書
原因呢? 皆因佢平時教學方式差,會用罰小學生既方法來罰人
表面上睇來佢絕對係一個唔可以做老師既人
過左兩年,我就有少少改觀,雖然佢一樣係用個d方式教書
咁又點? 我睇得出佢係真心想教我地,有個個教學既心
我認為一個老師有呢一樣野
總比起成日只係識睇人地有幾多個A,拎幾多A好得多
到底讀書係求A定係求人格? 你自己諗清楚d
成日只懂成敗論英雄,非人也

我話人串先咩? =.=
好似係你地話我串先架咋wo
我都只不過係『以子之矛,攻子之盾』je

順便在此跟ml先生講幾句野
學校俾教育之恩你地d畢業生
讀埋大學,學多左野,而家返來鬧返自己母校轉頭?
算係人之所為嗎?
你認為自己咁理直氣壯既話
大可以申請係早上做announcement,講下你覺得d老師點
我睇到既只係一個人反咬對自己有恩既學校je

>"我地SFXC既學生質素+人格又真係一年不如一年呢,係唔係?
>^^"
>顯得你係幾咁無賴

你唔係好支持個位師兄既論點架咩?
咁未順你意lo,你又唔接受啦,唉.......師弟,你到底想點架?

>不過你說錯了
>人格差的只係你, 你這句影衰哂全sfxc的學生, 唉!

師弟......唔好『牆頭草,兩邊倒』啦........
影響全sfxc學生? 就當你岩又點?
個位師兄所講既野,影響哂全sfxc學生+老師tim



>>Don't change your name from time to time.
>>BA should have fired you!!!
>我個人覺得唔係ml本人寫的,
>根據我既推測應該係某個小人用來中傷ml的人格
>
>p.s. 你唔夠人講就只係識去踩人,唔識去講道理,
>我做f.2既都睇唔起你

咁就要ml先生快d來確認一下係唔係佢自己回既post來啦
如果唔係既話,師弟你一定要幫佢搵出真兇
幫佢沈冤得雪啊
有個仲好既方法就係請堂主來check下佢ip一唔一樣就得啦

如果真係唔係ml先生回既話,咁我都俾個個人呃左啦......
仲以為ml先生真係連學生老師都分唔到tim
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


Author:
kl
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Date Posted: 19:10:18 04/04/06 Tue

如果ml有心要取笑人
我就覺得他的手法相當低能無聊
佢又唔直接些少話我地抵死,冇用,爛泥扶唔上
而不斷在討論個問題
我就完全冇聽過拋個問題出離後一定要同一個人拋返個解決辦法出離
我估唔會有人特登話:我嫉妒你!掛
依家班F5唔洗講都知差過八幾年的人
要批評我個人係點同我所講的東西根本冇所謂,我唔會介意
不過最後請返去ml兄拋出來的問題度
家下唔係討論在這裡討論的人的對與錯
ml點解會係度講這些說話
目擊聖芳濟衰落的老一輩老師例如龐sir或盛sir應該知得好清楚
假若有一位老師,公仔佬或者成熟的人經過,見到咁多人
都會知道誰是誰非
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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cc
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Date Posted: 20:13:49 04/04/06 Tue

今年f.5 一定比上年好勁多
[> Subject: 愛之深,恨之切


Author:
好仁
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Date Posted: 00:00:48 04/05/06 Wed

自問自己讀聖芳濟時,常有個錯覺,以為聖芳濟就等於全世界。畢業後,方知世界非常之大。

一個畢業生能抽時間關懷母校,先不論表達方式如何,這也是值得尊敬的。

告訴大家,每次我屆畢業生聚會,最熱門的話題必是「痛罵聖芳濟的弊端」。

為了保護自己,我略略說說畢業後我對聖芳濟的貢獻:
1) 為 50 週年 open day 忙了一整天,甚至是少數於開放日前夕在校通頂的其中一位 (緊記大學並沒有為我補假或安排休息時間)
2) 作為50週年晚宴的級代表,聯絡我屆畢業同學及為他們訂票
3) 幫助學生會舉辦高考講座

送大家六個字,我最真切的心底話:
「愛之深,恨之切」。

試想想,當大家送走了批評母校的師兄,是否就代表聖芳濟再沒有任何問題?

作為一個師兄,我期望不論我們的指責是否正確,但會有人用真誠回應我們:「我們已經聽到了師兄們的聲音,雖然你們由於離校已久而至未明白現今情況,但你們愛校之心已經傳到我們中間。就讓我們承諾你們,我們會在各方面上改善漏習、力求進步,使我們所共同愛護的聖芳濟一直保持著閃耀光輝!」

師弟們,你有信心應承我嗎?
[> [> Subject: Re: 愛之深,恨之切


Author:
肥輝
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Date Posted: 11:25:09 04/05/06 Wed

>自問自己讀聖芳濟時,常有個錯覺,以為聖芳濟就等於全世界?>C畢業後,方知世界非常之大。
>
>一個畢業生能抽時間關懷母校,先不論表達方式如何,這也是?>得尊敬的。
>
>告訴大家,每次我屆畢業生聚會,最熱門的話題必是「痛罵聖?>睎椌犒端」。
>
>為了保護自己,我略略說說畢業後我對聖芳濟的貢獻:
>1) 為 50 週年 open day
>忙了一整天,甚至是少數於開放日前夕在校通頂的其中一位
>(緊記大學並沒有為我補假或安排休息時間)
>2) 作為50週年晚宴的級代表,聯絡我屆畢業同學及為他們訂票
>3) 幫助學生會舉辦高考講座
>
>送大家六個字,我最真切的心底話:
>「愛之深,恨之切」。
>
>試想想,當大家送走了批評母校的師兄,是否就代表聖芳濟再?>S有任何問題?
>
>作為一個師兄,我期望不論我們的指責是否正確,但會有人用?>u誠回應我們:「我們已經聽到了師兄們的聲音,雖然你們由於
>離校已久而至未明白現今情況,但你們愛校之心已經傳到我們?>介﹛C就讓我們承諾你們,我們會在各方面上改善漏習、力求進
>步,使我們所共同愛護的聖芳濟一直保持著閃耀光輝!」
>
>師弟們,你有信心應承我嗎?
師弟, 要比心機好好保護大家的家
「學無先後」
一切還會來得及。
[> [> Subject: Re: 愛之深,恨之切


Author:
raymond
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Date Posted: 01:49:00 04/06/06 Thu

>自問自己讀聖芳濟時,常有個錯覺,以為聖芳濟就等於全世界?>C畢業後,方知世界非常之大。
>
>一個畢業生能抽時間關懷母校,先不論表達方式如何,這也是?>得尊敬的。
>
>告訴大家,每次我屆畢業生聚會,最熱門的話題必是「痛罵聖?>睎椌犒端」。
>
>為了保護自己,我略略說說畢業後我對聖芳濟的貢獻:
>1) 為 50 週年 open day
>忙了一整天,甚至是少數於開放日前夕在校通頂的其中一位
>(緊記大學並沒有為我補假或安排休息時間)
>2) 作為50週年晚宴的級代表,聯絡我屆畢業同學及為他們訂票
>3) 幫助學生會舉辦高考講座
>
>送大家六個字,我最真切的心底話:
>「愛之深,恨之切」。
>
>試想想,當大家送走了批評母校的師兄,是否就代表聖芳濟再?>S有任何問題?
>
>作為一個師兄,我期望不論我們的指責是否正確,但會有人用?>u誠回應我們:「我們已經聽到了師兄們的聲音,雖然你們由於
>離校已久而至未明白現今情況,但你們愛校之心已經傳到我們?>介﹛C就讓我們承諾你們,我們會在各方面上改善漏習、力求進
>步,使我們所共同愛護的聖芳濟一直保持著閃耀光輝!」
>
>師弟們,你有信心應承我嗎?

看到好仁這篇msg, 心裡有個反思, 其實濟記廣大的學生(也許包括老師)是否做得到對濟記"愛之深,恨之切"
假若大家都能做到, 濟記情況實能大大改善

這令我想起一位濟記老師為我寫的一封personal reference 裡"he has taken our school with him"
很慚愧地告訴,我所進行的eca,儘管能令更多人知道sfxc 到底是什麼, 但是我本意都是為了自己的成功, 而不是為了sfxc 的榮耀

i have to say, i have never taken sfxc with me

還記得有一次參加比賽, 喇沙書院(LSC)的學生輸了比賽,當場流下男兒淚,哭訴著維持不了lsc 勝利的傳統

另一邊廂,拔萃女書院的學生各佔一個角落靠在一起, 叫喊著他們學校的口號
"we are the best of the best of the best"

而英華書院的學生則喊著ying wa cry

反觀我校學生, 散落四週, 說友校虛偽

大家看得出哪些學生是愛校, 哪些才是take their school with them?

濟記學生lack of 的, 是一個proud of being a xaverian的spirit
口講, 是沒有用的, 做出來, 才是實際

友校學生比賽,學生放學跨區奔走搭車搭船觀賽支持打氣, 看得感動

sfxc? 有女生看, 在自己學校舉行便去, 部份人還會趁機會搞事起哄

假若sfxc 可以發展到學生take sfxc with them, 在無論任何方面, 學生都會為了學校的glory, reputation 去爭勝, 去維護

簡單來說,xaverians, 是缺乏鬥心
很容易便看得出來, sports day, 為house 落力也不肯, 哪裡會肯為學校落力


愛之深,恨之切
xaverians, 愛校嗎?
在地鐵上看見師弟們大聲說話, 色情笑話, 粗口, 不整齊校服<<愛校嗎?
恨之切?
同學們大聲批評, 為了自己利益, 還是為了學校?

學生沒有鬥心, 沒有為了學校的使命感, 單單為了自己
能令sfxc ce 再次達到200個優等成績的光境嗎?

老套一點說句
不要問學校能為你做些什麼, 問一下你自己能為學校做些什麼

當你告訴別人你是聖芳濟的學生/畢業生
別人不知道哪裡來的聖芳濟
你要做的, 是perform 好自己, 讓別人知道聖芳濟的學生是怎麼的好模樣
無論現在穿著校服, 還是將來升學,社會就業, 我們也是背負著聖芳濟的名聲, 若能這樣做到, 這才是真正的愛校

假若有著愛校和願意為學校的榮耀而努力的學生, 聖芳濟在學業上,運動課外活動比賽上的復興, 指日可待
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Author:
Ha Ming Yin
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Date Posted: 12:18:15 04/05/06 Wed

我相信ML學長是本著善意而來, 他並不是希望拆濟記的招牌. 因為對他而言, 是百害而無一利. 然而, 正在濟記讀書的學弟們, 對他"問責"的言論及表達手法感到不妥當是非常正確, 因為如果學生對學校沒有維護, 那所學校的學習環境如下, 大家都心裡有數. 兩方面立場互相對立, 對根本問題並無解決. 既然大家大前題都是為濟記將來提出意見, 何不放下字裡項間的對立, 多添務實的意見交流.

濟記的成績大家是有目共睹, 下滑如否, 見仁見智. 問責是誰的過失我相信不是一個文化是教育機構之內, 學習講求互動, 老師學生都要努力, 與其是問那一方應採取主動方為上上計, 倒不如問探討如可令兩者都採取主動. 教育制度缺失是無法改變的事實, 社會變遷是現實. 六七十年代的香港, 與八九十年代的香港, 處境完全不同. 人材的素質和修養都是有所距離. 如其是面懷昔日光輝歲月, 不如與時並進. 問一問現今社會, 需要什麼技能及素質? 好使頃閱九濟堂的濟記管理層, 明白更多教育與社會配合的所需的材料.

濟記的舊生無疑是愛之深, 恨之切, 在此留言者都是一定有心知道濟記近況, 如同在校的學生愛校之心一樣. 舊生可談及社會需要什麼人材, 學生要有什麼修養. 猶其是八九十年代的學長, 應貴為公司中流抵柱, 深明當下學生所需, 可不臚列數例以供參考. 侃侃而談濟記學生應如何裝備自己, 提升競爭力. 例如: 兩文三語非常重要, 但要去到什麼程度才算達標. 如果學長們肯多提出建議, 相信後輩會更加明白. 直言推行"問責"文化是正確, 但是教育歸教育, "問責"是不是合乎現實情況, 似乎要多加思量. 公司炒一個人都不是容易的事, 何況是一個半政府的系統機構?

在校的學生, 當然是首要讀好書, 學校政策不明朗不清晰, 是應該提出. 不過, 旁人或者前者的言論應只供參考, 不宜太過介意, 始終是過去的事, 每個人都有自己的路, 與其是緬懷昔日光輝, 不如尋找自己的路, 找自己想要想做的事物. 用成績功過來判別機構的成功是絕對正確, 但是要單用學習成績來肯定學生成功, 未面有點短視. 評價一個人是他死後才去計算, 因為才是事物全面, 評價一個政策應該當機立斷, 因為政策影響明天, 評價機構是要好是壞, 應該將未來與及今日來比較. 我們不會投資在沒有明天的公司, 亦不會投資今日倒閉的公司?

濟記未來十年是一個關鍵時刻, 教育制度會徹頭徹尾的大改革, 培養11-18歲的青年再不會是容易的事, 過去用來成功的模式已經不再湊效, 濟記要尋求一條有其特色辦學路線.

濟記要保留其:
1) 學生為本的學習模式 (言則學生有如昔日的自由, 學生有得say, 學生的學習模式由他們決定)
2) 小校園政策 (意味師生關係保持融合, 校園全天侯開放, 讓學生有一個活動好平台)
3) 課外活動宜持續發展 (不過, 一定要系統發展, 不能過度膨脹, 每一個學生要嘗試不同的活動, 不宜太集中於體育)
4) 具天主教特色的宗教及德育課程(兩者能為通識教育打下基礎, 訓練學生對事物的思考力(Brainpower))

濟記要加強其
1) 兩文三語政策(全方位以普通話面授中文, 英文課節延長, 提供多一些native speakers 接觸機會, 配合SBA應該提供多些由校內外機構聯手計劃出來的課程, 例如: 導賞英國喜劇, 英詩創作, 創作笑話)
2) 拔尖保底政策(自政府推行的三級分流的政策, 學生水平相對有更大的分野, 應該善用下課與及暑假期間為能力不逮的學生提供多些機會學習)
3) 多元智能訓練

濟記應檢討
1) 初中的課堂模式是不要加入更多誘導的原素(現今閱讀堂是不是奏效, 會不會需要提供請下作家於閱讀堂作工作坊介紹作品會更有趣)
2) 高中的課程要不要多加入對考公開試的技巧和訓練, 課程可不可以採取導修模式, 分小班面授
3) 職業輔導是不是足夠( 90 個人可以升入大學, 是學校所有的目標. 是不是學校只有這個目標?)

一間機構要成功, 必然條件是上下一心. 從愛濟記的角度, 上下一心, 我們是輕易做到. 不過, 要濟記重申於社會定位, 不單要上下一心, 我們需要對濟記校長和老師的信心, 同學對自己的自信心, 校友和家長的愛心. 濟記是一間還有明天的機構, 現今只是重整中, 整頓後必定會向上發展. 作為校友的我們, 為何不給予時間看看濟記如何走出明天? 愛之心, 恨之切是重要, 不過"恨得來都要知道點恨先得"!

小弟拙見, 請君賜教
[> [> Subject: Ha Ming Yin 君之留言,是繼Gut君後的另一可讀之作


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公仔佬
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Date Posted: 12:59:39 04/05/06 Wed

我希望這只是一個好的開始,提議陸續有來。
[> [> Subject: 銘賢君之話一針見血


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好仁
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Date Posted: 00:38:30 04/06/06 Thu

看罷君之拙見,方驚覺自己於教育改革上的理解認識仍然不足,思考批判能力依然十分膚淺。

君之意見看來都是對校方(老師)說的,那麼站在學生立場,又該做甚麼去自強不息?
[> Subject: Re: Old boy feels very disappointed


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W-InD(97~04 SFXC)
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Date Posted: 03:10:57 04/06/06 Thu

各位校董,校長,各位老師,各位親愛的師兄師弟,還有各位愛子心切的家長,你們好:

世上沒有絕對的對與錯
只有好的結局和壞的結局
如果做錯的話,那一定是雙方都有做錯,單掌怎能鳴?

成績下滑是不爭的事實
師兄感到痛心實屬師弟們的不好
我公開試成績也不好 不賴地混入香港大學得過且過
作為師弟的我在此首先講一聲對不起, 令你傷心了

但是否聖芳濟學生就是懶散,沒鬥心等等惡劣呢?

小弟不才,未能拿下什麼獎學金 頭十名
成績不過不失 倒上了一兩個莊 做了一兩個Team Captian 看看和我同期的同學有些去了外國Exchange 有些身兼多個大Soc的職位 各人的大學生活各有精彩

每一次聚會 我們談到我們的近況 每人也有辛苦也有痛苦
但有三樣東西我們一直都有做 就是:努力過 奮鬥過 不言敗
去做好每一件我們負擔上的事
雖然不能好到上報紙,上電視,但起碼我們努力過嘗試過 這都是聖芳濟教導我們 我們學以致用的

或許我們態度不對 對每一事都不太上心 每一次也是寥寥數人參與活動 無論比賽或打氣
也正是如此 落場比賽的我們知道要獨立 要努力以赴 要勇於嘗試

世界太了 社會需要的是勇於展翼飛翔的小鳥而不是困在寵中拿著十優成績的不肯走出框框的寵中鳥
當然沒有優良成績的公開試成績單 是很難有機會去展翼飛翔

成績像錢般很重要 它不是萬能 但沒有了它萬萬不能

我覺得今日仍談論誰是誰非也未免不夠樂觀進取,正如有些樓主所言倒不如談論如何改善及實際行動更加好。

最後希望大家身體健康 沒有健康的身體 什麼也做不來。Take care, My brothers.


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