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Subject: so if it's good, then God did it. but if it's bad, then it's our fault? Wow. I didn't know humans could cause tornados, earthquakes & volcanoes, etc. Author: wow [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11/04/13 Mon In reply to: Maybe you should reconsider what you view as "failure" 's message, "I said everything is God's PLAN not everything is God's FAULT. As far as disasters... there are MANY people who (CLICK IN)" on 11/01/13 Fri >make it out of those disasters alive and well. Also, >there are many people who have had to deal with >famine, violence, etc. that have come out of those >situations, ended up having wonderful lives and had >wonderful testimonies to tell. I actually agree that >one should not accept failure and say it is "God's >Will". I never said that you should. All I meant was >when something isn't working you may need to just >switch gears. What you think is failure may not be >failure at all. There are many people who tried >something that didn't work out, then when they CHANGED >their course and tried something else (or tried to do >something a little differently) wonderful things >happened in their lives that they would have never >imagined. Accepting that you may need a change is not >the same as quitting or accepting failure! >Getting stuck in your own ways and not allowing God to >step in will block your blessings every time. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date You obviously only read what you wanted to read. Where did I say anywhere that anything was OUR fault? All I said was that EVERYTHING isn't God's fault. Sometimes things just happen (call it the devil, if you want) but it is GOD that gets us through those things. It's obvious you are biased and don't want to see things any other way so I'm done! (NT) I could go into more detail but what's the point 11/04/13 Mon These posts are not from the same person. I made the post asking about why bad things happen if is god's plan, but I did not make the post about good things being from god and bad things not. That poster does have a point though. It did come across that way, I thought. But I didn't say it. Anyway, just wanted you to know this series is not just one person speaking. (NT) -- Challenging logic isn't being mean- it's intellectual and inquisitive, 11/05/13 Tue