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Subject: Mrs International is underway!
Author: ! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07/23/14 Wed Following their Instagram account is providing the best access in YEARS! The orientation photos are posted but it doesn't really show a clear stand-out like in years past. New location in FL looks nice - who are you watching? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Just looked thru the orientation pictures on Paula Preston's site. Everyone looks beautiful!! But I need to ask....Mrs Itally is bald! (Dont take this the wrong way....I think she is beautiful!) Does anyone know her story? (NT) -- Joy in AL, 07/23/14 Wed She is baked but not sure if it's from medical treatments or Alopecia (NT) -- Anyone know?, 07/23/14 Wed

Subject: New Show Game of Crowns will be starting soon, will you watch?
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/11/14 Fri Not me it's another dumb reality show about Mrs pageants and it looks like they will be full of drama. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think I'd rather sit in a tub of hot battery acid than watch that show.....The editing alone with turn them all into psycho bitches.. (NT) -- bunch of self-absorbed crazy women with no actual values., 04/11/14 Fri Why are you worried about it? Anyone with a brain knows that any reality show is cut and edited to entice viewers. I don't know of anyone who wouldn't realize this. I don't like them either but again no one if going to force you to watch it. (NT) -- Geesh!, 04/11/14 Fri because I think anyone who watches it will be losing brain cells... you included (NT) -- watch it at your own risk of being a COMPLETE MORON.. go for it..., 04/11/14 Fri Excuse me.....I hardly think that I would waste my time watching it and my post certainly did not elude to that. You need to seriously grow up. It's a freaking reality show and yes, there will be some, who like a bad accident, can't walk away, but what gives you the right to call people names or imply that they will lose brain cells. Since you are not watching it, why are you so concerned with those who have a right to do so. Didn't your mama teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all? (NT) -- Seriously!, 04/11/14 Fri This show is awful and these women should be ashamed of themselves for participating. Not a good representation of women in pageantry.Marmel should have never agreed to let them tape - unless they gave him a TV deal for this year's pageant. (NT) -- I feel badly for the Mrs. America organization., 04/11/14 Fri Thoughts -- Sad reality, 04/12/14 Sat I have to agree. It totally is everything we thought it would be. The 30 preview was an eye opener to whats to come. I know that I along with many other will be watching. (NT) -- Just can't look away., 06/06/14 Fri It's just going to highlight the super fake, snotty, bitchy, drama worthy ladies. In all the years I competed, I NEVER once acted like, not saw anyone act like, what the commercial portrays. It's ridiculous & salacious editing for the sake of ratings. Just another stupid show for people to continue to belittle pageantry. -- IMHO, 04/13/14 Sun I'm sure I'll watch it for entertainment knowing that the majority of women I've met are nothing like that in real life. It is interesting that now 2 years in a row a Mrs. International contestant is being included. Is this a ONE AND DONE episode (like the last one) or is this a series?? -- It's 'reality', 04/13/14 Sun watch it for what it is. Pure entertainment. If they think it helps them in their competition, god bless, but more likely, they are hoping for some big break in show business. Good luck with that. -- laughing all the way, 04/20/14 Sun Sad because I know a couple of these ladies and put it this way it's all tv! (NT) -- :-(, 04/21/14 Mon I know all of the ladies and have to agree. It is TV. Can't wait to watch! (NT) -- to be expected., 04/22/14 Tue No amount of Money & TV notoriety is worth your self respect, character or morals. (NT) -- Sorry, don't do reality TV - it's stupid, 04/22/14 Tue Re: I watched the 30 minute preview on Sunday. It is just like watching one of the housewife series, catty. -- Was not expecting anything less., 06/06/14 Fri It's TV entertainment don't take it so seriously. In my 6 years of pageantry I have run into many catty women just like the worst ones in the show, you can't say this doesn't exit in pageantry that's bull! The public is not that stupid to think all women and pageantry is like that so relax, watch or don't watch. Those ladies are laughing all the way to the bank! Casting for the next show is going on right now new group new show! -- Former, 07/22/14 Tue I agree. The spirit and actions of these women are an elevated reality of their true self. There are plenty of MRS pageant contestants that act, resemble, and mirror the attitudes you see on TV. THANKFULLY they are a minority but on TV people will assume they are the majority. I just feel badly because when the show is over, their reputation will live on. You cannot redo a first impression. -- I wonder if they work, what their employers think., 07/22/14 Tue

Subject: Game of Crowns
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07/14/14 Mon Did you watch the train wreck? Have you EVER encountered women like that competing? The nastiness was awful! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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These people are nuts! -- Horrified, 07/14/14 Mon it's all about ratings and shock TV. Don't give it a thought. It worked. -- the usual reality fare, 07/14/14 Mon My self worth & reputation are more valuable than TV ratings & money. I would BEVER stoop so low that I would present myself that way on TV. -- Sad priorities, 07/15/14 Tue The Mrs. America system should be ASHAMED! Ashamed of their former national queen and most of the others associated with the system! -- Giving ALL pageants a bad name with this display!, 07/18/14 Fri People have free will and there actions do not reflect on the pageant at all. It reflects soley on how they will be betrayed and judged by family, friends, and even employers. Mrs America did not produce the show, they allowed BRAVO to film THEIR cast members at their event. Just like any other event these ladies attended. My heart goes out to these ladies as they are being judged by the way someone edited them to be. I feel badly for them but I am sure they knew what they were getting into. And look, everyone knows about the Mrs America Pageant that is for sure. -- Now ladies, use your titles for good!, 07/18/14 Fri You feel bad for these psycho nutbags? Did you not hear about the fight at the premier where one woman's husband (the cop) bit the other guys ear twice? Seriosly? How is that editing? NO WAY in hell would I blame editing for what we see. They've shown their true & it's ugly! Reality show or not, these women are so self-loving and none of them are even remotely attractive. I can't fathom how they can put so much importance on something that is so NOT REAL. Pageants are made up titles for a fee! Taking pageants this seriously is pretty much beyond pathetic. -- Feel sorry for yourself if you actually think this is all acting & editing., 07/20/14 Sun

Subject: Good Luck Mrs. Florida!
Author: "Momma Pam" (aka Pam Bolter, Exec. Director) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07/12/14 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Gotta give a shout out to the best pageant packer in the world! Check out Mrs. Florida's luggage for nationals - I challenge YOU to be as efficient (I'm not!): https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100661029873081&set=a.621875474851.2134639.45005008&type=1&theater (NT) -- Impressed!!!, 07/20/14 Sun

Subject: I am competing in 1 of the big 3. My wardrobe is stellar for the week & competition, I am a visible queen with appearances & charity work, my ad page is paid for as is my hotel room but I cannot afford to pay $1000 or more for hair and makeup. I've chosen to invest my money in other aspects of the pageant and competition. I would love to have my hair and makeup done professionally but I can't justify the money on that. I'm pretty good at doing my hair and makeup for events and competitions. I feel good about doing it myself. My question is, Is it possible to make top, place or even win?
Author: Optimistic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06/30/14 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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YES. The judges don't know who applied your mascara, go up there and do your thing. (NT) -- Sister queen- doing my own hair., 06/30/14 Mon Same here............I refuse to throw that much money away when I am capable of doing a great job on my own. I'll take that liuttle bit of stresss and save the money. (NT) -- JMO, 07/01/14 Tue What pageant? I may have a referral that will work with your budget?? (NT) -- Post your info here and I will email you., 07/01/14 Tue International pageant (NT) -- Optimistic, 07/02/14 Wed Of course a professional hair/makeup artist would like to be fully booked at $1000+ per client, but in reality you may be able to negotiate a lower rate for a smaller service (ex. touch up hair and makeup just for on-stage competition). (NT) -- Veteran, 07/02/14 Wed The lady we asked about $2k wk & $900 for the 3 days of comp. I decided to use borrow an airbrush makeup machine, had a modeling friend teach me how to use it. Not only am I in control of my schedule now but I can spend as long as I want making myself look perfect rather than waiting for the H/M person to get done with the other 8 or 10 ladies (or more) in line before me. Start practicing now and you'll hold your own with everyone else--YOU know what your flaws really are and can learn how best to address them. NO H/M artist has the time to study your face and learn your best like YOU do! (NT) -- top 3 doing my own and beat 19 ladies who paid $500-700 each, 07/04/14 Fri I am in the same boat. You do NOT need a pro. Way out of control on the costs. Do your own makeup. It will probably be just as good if not better, and you will be happy with yourself instead of the stress of being up at dawn, worrying, etc. Totally worth NOT paying that. (NT) -- sorry, 07/08/14 Tue

Subject: Ms America Contestants
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07/06/14 Sun MS. ALABAMA Lakecia Whitfield MS. CALIFORNIA Lucia Castano MS. CALIFORNIA COAST Ashley Rose Galli MS. COLORADO Jessica Mason MS. FLORIDA Dr. Diana Lawrence MS. GEORGIA Brennell Sobers MS. SOUTH CAROLINA Deborah Flynn-Valis MS. ILLINOIS Deborah Tuttle MS. MASSACHUSETTS Kimberly Hannon MS. MISSISSIPPI Deneen Anderson MS. NEW ENGLAND AMERICA Dr. Stephanie Mills MS. NEW YORK Amy Bell MS. SOUTH FLORIDA Dee Lane MS. SOUTH TEXAS Tina Fox MS. SOUTHWEST AMERICA Dreamy Patel MS. VIRGINIA Ericka Thomas MS. WEST COAST AMERICA Kena Strohmeier MS. WISCONSIN Veronica Makhija NOT PICTURED MS. TEXAS Kristine Skocpol-Saleh MS. SOUTHWEST AMERICA Riti Chikkerur MS. PENNSYLVANIA Malinda Koncar MS. MICHIGAN Stephanie Kay Rushlow MS. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Merci Herrera MS. FLORIDA STATE Amanda Wamunyima MS. EAST COAST AMERICA Gretchen Freudenvoll MS. CALIFORNIA STATE Shannon Lee Salt [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Nice numbers for Ms America! -- Another Fan!, 07/07/14 Mon

Subject: Good Luck Ms. Florida United States - Collins Medlin
Author: Pam Bolter, Executive Director [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06/30/14 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Any idea how things are going in DC? (NT) -- Photos on FB look like fun!, 07/03/14 Thu 2014 MS United States: Delaware 1st r/up: South Carolina 2nd r/up: Kentucky 3rd r/up: Nevada 4th r/up: Alabama (NT) -- Tough group this year, 07/06/14 Sun

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Author: Ms America contestants part 2 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07/06/14 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Any truth about Mrs. US Globe being postponed until March of 2015????
Author: They are hot and heated over there on the Pink Board [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06/28/14 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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that would be awesome if it's true! I'd so compete (NT) -- I hope it is true, 06/28/14 Sat Yes, they have postponed the 2014 pageant until March of 2015. The ladies were only give 6 weeks notice. So if you want to compete, contact the national office regarding the 2015 event. (NT) -- N/T, 06/29/14 Sun

Subject:

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Subject: How would you handle....
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/28/14 Mon You are a contestant in a pageant that doesn't have a non-compete for state titles, which is fine, but another contestant who does appearances, takes pictures at each appearance with multiple sashes/crowns. While it's not against the rule to hold multiple titles, it looks tacky to me and affects the integrity of each system she is representing. What do you think? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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depends on the level of pageant it is. I do think it's tacky to switch around and display 2 titles at once, but in theory, if it were 2 low tier pageants, and the director says she doesn't care about a no compete, it could be done tastefully. -- the small pageants don't care, 04/28/14 Mon A state title in one system and a national title in another. To me, it's just plain tacky no matter what level but I understand your viewpoint. -- OP, 04/29/14 Tue I wouldn't "handle" anything. None of my business (or anyone else's) how anyone else conducts themselves. I wouldn't use both titles, but hey, if she has two titles with appearance contracts, let her do her thing. It's time for people to start minding their own business and stop worrying so much about what everyone else is doing. Such a small part of life... move on.... jeez.. -- Really? Do you Really Care? If you do, get a life, and get it quick!, 04/30/14 Wed why are you asking "how would you handle?" Are you the director? If not then it isn't your business. I personally think there should be an alligence to one system. -- KT1, 04/30/14 Wed As someone who held 2 smaller tier titles simultaneously, some directors WANT their queens to do this. I would book as one title OR the other, but each knew about the other's title & promotion. One was in its very first year & needed exposure and the other one I'd been solicited as a contestant so they would have the 5 she needed to hold it. I never misrepresnted my titles and both directors appreciated my taking/posting pics for their websites for them. I switched banners during an event but yes, some directors really are ok with this and if both know about each other, I see no sin. -- Its not always wrong w/smaller systems or at large titles, 04/30/14 Wed sorry, meant to say I NEVER switched banners at events, just put on the alt one for photos. I always worked it as one title or another out of respect for the one I was queen for. Just wanted to share a different viewpoint. -- every situation is different and I think its ok with at large titles too, 04/30/14 Wed Holding more then one title at once does two things. -- Embarrassing for the person that feels this has ANY integrity attached!, 05/01/14 Thu how is it STEALING a crown if the other contestants didn't WIN? remember some pageants/directors dont require ANY appearances or even post ones you send! It really depends on the level of the title and contract. If glitz & smaller pageants had a one crown per girl per year rule, nearly half the ones in the mid atlantic & south would GO OUT OF BUSINESS! keep in mind not every title is Miss America here... -- nothing done wrong by anyone involved!, 05/01/14 Thu In our state it is gross! People are having pageants to pay their entry fees to other pageants, people are having pageants to pay off bills that they stole from other pageants and the same girls run from pageants to pageants and collect crowns! It is a mess. Pageants have lost their purpose! -- Sad but true!, 05/01/14 Thu Can't stop laughing.. you crazy people need to seriously... get a grip... we're talking PAGEANTS.... not world leaders... lol I could hold 7 titles if I wanted. Some people are so DELUSIONAL about the acutal importance or releavance of pageants. It's a "MADE UP TITLE FOR A FEE"... haha if you win a bunch great... you're not a senator or an actual ambassador.... again...MADE UP TITLE FOR A FEE..... so silly. Any sort of multi-title holder's obligations are between her and the director(s).....no one else's business... move on.. (NT) -- Seriously start seeing a therapist for "DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR"...., 05/02/14 Fri No, in the grand scheme of things, pageantry is not life or death, and certainly not the end all be all. However, to those select few that respect honoring commitments, the beauty of pageantry, what it should and used to stand for, it is bothersome to see people abuse it. There seems to be a rampant mentality of entitlement in the negative as of late. It's very sad for those of us who respect and appreciate the benefits and possibilities of gaining and holding a title. Please don't belittle those that care. (NT) -- It's ok if you don't, but be fair to those who do, 05/02/14 Fri How is representing 2 titles abusing anything?!?! If both systems have appearance requirements and neither has a non-compete, she's fulfilling her obligations to both. The only people who would even remotely care about this are the self loving pageant police. (NT) -- If everyone involved is okay.... then guess what, it's OKAY....., 05/05/14 Mon I think you hit the nail on the head with the comment about "honoring commitments"! You commit to one team, why can't you be happy with one and let someone else have an opportunity? Why to you have to be pageant hoarder!? (NT) -- Sad!, 05/05/14 Mon I think holding more than one title screams "I NEED ATTENTION" especially if it's a Ms or Mrs. -- One at a time please, 05/02/14 Fri In CA there is a titleholder that has a city title in one system, a national title in another and was competing in one of the big 3. It's not always about a purpose sometimes its all about someone who deems their worth from the sparkle. -- It is what it is..., 05/02/14 Fri I really think holding two titles at once is in bad taste. I once did an appearancce and there was another woman there (who is well known as a crown chaser) She had about four different sashes and crowns with her. She didn't wear any except to whip out one after the other and have the same photos taken 4 times. -- Bailey Bounce, 05/06/14 Tue My reign was coming to an end & the pageant I wanted to compete in was 1 month shy of giving up my title. Both directors were ok with it. I won & and HELD 2 TITLES AT THE SAME TIME. OMG, call me a crown chaser, a publicity hog, but niether is true. I held my obligations to both pageants, both directors approved & I did a kick-ass job both titles for a month and a half. Stop judging people & making stuff up that isn't necessarily true. Both of these systems were important to me because of my platform & my age. Didn't want to wait a whole year because of one month separating the 2 systems. -- Get off your high horses and start minding your own damn business...., 05/06/14 Tue Maybe you could think of the others not have the selfish "I wanted" attitude? What about those that were signed up from the beginning and worked hard? You just walk in with a title ALREADY and take it from someone else?? Nasty person! Why couldn't you just wait? Why do people have to do this? You look silly and greedy for sure! -- Sick of Crown Chasers!, 05/08/14 Thu What the hell are you talking about? I had to sign up & compete just like everyone else. I won based on my performance that day. My obligation to 1 title was coming to an end & I did over 30 hard working appearances for that title not just standing around taking photos with a crown on. I ran full marathons, half marathons & 5ks to raise $$ mostly for women's health & did crazy obstacle courses so don't preach to me hag. Stop judging people you don't know... care about your own life... both directors were fine & I won awards at both pageants for my dedication to women's empowerment -- Mind your own damn business... I probablly beat you., 05/08/14 Thu There are people that sign up WAY before you decided you needed another title. Some of them spent months to prepare and worked just as hard as you did. It is hard to compete with someone that already has the confidence because she is already a titleholder, it is defeating and deflating to others!! That is what I am talking about and if you don't want people IN your business DON'T post your business, not everyone is going to agree with you and they have every right to judge as you are judging me right now! -- Get over yourself, there is always someone in the crowd! Jeezzz, 05/08/14 Thu I get it now... current winners are a THREAT to you. okay... got it now... makes more sense. you're afraid to compete against someone who is already a winner at something else.... figures... just another wannebe.... -- makes much more sense now..., 05/09/14 Fri OH OK, you got me! -- Love those that can't look at themselves!, 05/10/14 Sat Dear MYOB..I did practically the same-a director begged me to do her pageant to practice for another. I did it, won, & then wound up winning the other one near the end of the 1st reign. it doesn't matter how long someone spent to prepare, she who competes best wins.If pageants were limited only to non-titleholders they would go out of business! some pageants are FINE w/using them as practice, if they're not, you sign a no-compete. what's defeating & deflating to others is someone better showing up & that can happen at any time, not just when a girl has won something else -- if you're in a pageant, you should ALREADY have the confidence of a queen, 05/08/14 Thu this happens all the time. You can't always skip a year or wait it out, sometimes pageant dates overlap. Get permission from both and do both justice. The directors won't hold it against you. I love your post. We're not crown chasers because we enjoy competing. We can't all sit out a year. Good grief, it's a HOBBY, not life or death. it's a little too dang important to some of you, and that's just scary. IT'S A PAGEANT. -- get a grip on reality, 06/05/14 Thu bump (NT) -- N/T, 06/06/14 Fri Totally Agree. You must check the rules & regulations as each system is different. Many pageants including the Big 3 except for America (They may have 1 or 2 at large) do not have directors for every state or country. So if there is no no-compete clause and you can afford it, then there you go. If this bothers you, then your best bet is to just find a system that does not allow multiple titles. (NT) -- Good Luck, 06/02/14 Mon Most pageants are all held during the 3 summer months & most of them are small pageants without non-competes. There's nothing wrong with competeing in a few summer pageants. So what if someone wins two who really cares? Anyone is welcome to compete so seriously why the big deal? Just have fun & do your own thing. If you win two good for you if you win three whooopie! It's not crown chasing for some women it actually is JUST a hobbie & a fun thing to do with your friends, not an actual "way of life". Chill out! (NT) -- Do your own thing & stop worrying about everyone else., 06/03/14 Tue I's like to know who made anyone of you on here the crown/sash/title Nazi? What right does anyone have to judge another person? Are pageant ladies that shallow or are you just jealous? So what if a lady wants to promote 2 or 3 systems. Good for them! They must enjoy competing in pageants, it is a hobby to most. unless you are her director, mind your own business. You all need to worry about yourself, unless you live a perfect life stop judging other people. -- mind your own business, 06/04/14 Wed This is easy. If you are not happy with multiple titleholders, then you much search out a system that does not allow this. Pageants are a hobby, so don't sweat the small stuff. (NT) -- Be yourself and Enjoy the Competition., 06/06/14 Fri

Subject: anyone know any truths about MWI being cancelled or postponed?
Author: hope not [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03/20/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I heard from a contestant that it has been cancelled and fees will be refunded. (NT) -- ., 03/20/14 Thu thank you, I"m so sorry about that. (NT) -- best wishes to Stephanie, 03/21/14 Fri No....it is not cancelled, it is being postponed. Big difference. Stephs husband is quite ill. Everything is on hold for now but they will be back. (NT) -- Sad for everyone, 03/21/14 Fri But cancelled for this year, right? (NT) -- ., 03/21/14 Fri yes no magnificent woman icon pageant this year (NT) -- waiting, 04/19/14 Sat As long as people are refunded it's not a big deal. There are enough other choices out there that ladies can choose. (NT) -- IMHO, 03/21/14 Fri Just wondering if anyone has gotten a refund yet? (NT) -- ,, 06/02/14 Mon Why would you come on a Voy forum to ask a question like this. Anyone who is due a refund most likely received a letter with the terms of their refund. And you would know that if you were one of those in line for a refund. (NT) -- Sometimes you just have to say What the %^&, 06/02/14 Mon* If your looking for another pageant to do in July, try the Miss and Mrs Essence pageant. It's for everyone and the Director is a fun and friendly person (NT) -- essencepageant.org, 06/05/14 Thu The pageant is supporsed to return next year, I think it is a valad question for contestants considering entering (NT) -- ., 06/06/14 Fri

Subject: Would you compete in a pageant that is trying to raise funds through gofundme.com? Would you donate to a pageant and it's director?
Author: Taken from the Pink Board [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06/06/14 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: How have the Big 3 pageants progressed/changed over the years?
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05/12/14 Mon Each of the 3 have an "angle" or focus. But have they progressed or improved over the years or regressed? Are they headed in the right direction? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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overall, regressed, I think. I used to hold them in such esteem. I did all 3 and have a totally new view. Each has an angle, each has a clique you have to figure out. Their titles are still considered the ultimate, but in truth, they aren't much better than any other big national. It's too bad they get all the attention. -- don't see improvement on my part, 05/13/14 Tue Mrs. America has regressed from a well produced nationally televised event to a ballroom pageant that is unorganized. Their website is lacking. The prizes have diminished over the years. It is still a great title and to win, you really need to be that all around nice gal with a fabulous swimsuit body and great stage presence. You do not need to have the most expensive wardrobe. I think that the women who win this pageant tend to be very genuine and nice women. -- Still a nice pageant, just not what it was, 05/14/14 Wed CLICK IN -- Mrs International and Mrs. US and comparisons, 05/14/14 Wed What a fabulous assessment. Thank you for putting into words what most of us know. -- very well done, 05/14/14 Wed I think they've all become $$ hungry and care very little for the actual contestant. I wish there was a pageant at the Big 3 level that wasn't so damn $$ based. -- IMHO, 05/17/14 Sat It's all just a who has more money competition. -- Stupid, 05/19/14 Mon the most money and the most resources, things they can do for the director, if they can travel, pay for everything themselves, ,etc, etc. -- kinda seems that way a lot of times, 05/30/14 Fri

Subject: Wishful thinking
Author: My wishes [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05/18/14 Sun I wish all pageant websites would contain the following information: - date, time, location of the event on the front page - cost to attend the event and whether any discounts will apply (visiting titleholders from same or different pageant systems) - list and photos of contestants competing with short biographies - list of awards to be given at the pageant as well as selection criteria for each award - list of complete pageant rules including general requirements for queens such as appearance requirements and non-compete rules. - list of competition categories with example pictures and descriptions. These descriptions should be given to judges, so both contestants and judges have the exact same information. - photos from last year's event in each phase of competition with each contestant. - complete cost information to compete; one page should contain all of the costs including entry fee(s), ad page fees (and whether they are required), ticket prices, special event ticket info, hotel information, etc. - a bonus is an active and updated pageant blog or Facebook page wherein the queen as well as contestants are highlighted. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Directors don't care enough to do this, which is mystery to me, too. Sometimes I just want to know the very basics such as date, deadlines, cost, location, and you have to dig and dig DEEP. THINK about your potential contestants and put the info IN PLAIN SIGHT. At least make it easy to navigate with simple headers. There have been times I've just given up on entering because if this is any example of how you run things, I dont' want to waste my time. The web site is your showcase! It sets the tone for the quality of your pageant. When it looks cheap, it usually means you are cheap. -- I have to agree 1000%, 05/19/14 Mon I would like to add that you could do a blog with all this information including links to photo albums on facebook for free. I would not even be upset if a pageant avoided doing a big website in favor of a nicely designed blog with a facebook page. Simply have links to the information needed on the side of the blog for a contestant to enter the pageant. I don't care about money spent on a website, but I do care about the effort you make to provide me, a potential contestant, with easily obtained information.. -- OP, 05/19/14 Mon check out Idaho International -- wanting to help, 05/28/14 Wed

Subject: Pageant Directory
Author: updated [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/17/14 Thu A Mrs. America Web Site: Visit: Mrs. America Pageant. Age Requirement: 18 & Over - Married Location: Tucson, Arizona Hotel: Loews Ventana Canyon Resort Date: August 29, 2014 Entry Fee: Contact State Director Entry Deadline: Contact State Director Judging Criteria: Personal Interview, Swimsuit Presentation & Evening Gown Ms. America Pageant Web Site: Visit: Ms. America Pageant. Age Requirement: Ms – 26 -60 – Single/Divorced/Married ~ Miss 18-25 Single never married Location: Curtis Theater ~ Brea, CA Date: August 7-9 2014 Entry Fee: Ms. $1099.00, Miss $599.00 Mandatory Ad Page Fee: included Judging Criteria: Ms. Evening Gown ~ Interview ~ On-Stage Question ~ Sportswear (tennis, jogging, aerobic attire...)NO Swimsuit! No Talent! MISS- Swimsuit ~ Evening Gown ~ Interview ~ On-Stage Question American Beauty Pageant Web Site: Visit: American Beauty Pageant. Age Requirements: - Multi Divisional Little Miss: 6-8 Miss Pre Teen: 9-11 Jr. Miss: 12-14 Teen: 15-19 Miss: 20-29 Ms.: 30 & up Mrs.: 21 & up Elite: 50 & up Location: Kissimmee, Florida Date: Sunday, June 24-28, 2014 Entry Fee: $495.00 American Dream National Pageant Web Site: Visit: American Dream National Pageant. Mrs Division: Ages 21 & Over Ms Division: Ages 21 & Over Lady Division: Ages 40-50 Minimum Senior Division: Ages 60 & Over Location: Orlando FL Date: July 24-27 2014 Entry Fee: $995.00 includes ad page Judging: Interview - Fashion Wear - Evening Gown - On Stage Question America’s US Miss Web Site: Visit: http://americasusmiss.com/ Divisions: Multi ages 3- and up Location: Clearwater Beach, FL Date: July 16-20 2014 Entry Fee: multiple options of titles, visit web site America’s Outstanding Mom Web Site: Visit: America’s Outstanding Mom International Pageant. Age Requirement: 21 & Mother to at least one (1) child, either naturally born to her, legally adopted or a custodial guardian Location: Branson MO. Date: July 30- Aug 3, 2014 Entry Fee: $895.00 Application Fee: $95.00 – Applied toward Entry Fee Judging Criteria: 20% Interview 15% Photogenic 20% Swimsuit 20% Fashion Modeling 20% Evening Gown 5% On Stage Press Conference American Renaissance Pageants Web Site: Visit: American Renaissance Pageants. Age Requirements: Mrs Division: Age 21 & Over - Married Ms Classic Division: Age 46 & Over, Any Marital Status Ms Division: Age 26-45 – Not Married Location: Las Vegas NV Date: September 14-17 2014 Entry Fee: $750.00 Judging Criteria: Interview 50%, Dressy Sportswear 25%, Evening Wear 25%, On Stage Question 10% Ms. Senior America Pageant Web Site: Visit: Ms. Senior America Pageant. Age Requirement: 60 & Over Location: Atlantic City, New Jersey Date: October 208-30 2014 Entry Fee: Contact State Director Entry Deadline: Contact State Director Judging Criteria: Interview, Inner Beauty, Evening Gown & Talent America’s Super Ms Web Site: Visit: America’s Super Ms . Mrs Division: All Ages – Married or Widowed Ms Division: 26 & Over – Single or Divorced Classic Plus or Mature Division: (married/single/divorced/widowed) Location: Montana Date: June 22 2014 Entry Fee: $595.00 Judging Criteria: Photogenic, Interview, 30 second Introduction/Statement, Swimwear/Athletic Attire and Evening Gown. Each area of competition is weighted 1-20 points. Ties will be broken with an additional Onstage Statement (up to 60 seconds). B Beauties of America Web Site: Visit: Beauties of America. Age Requirements: 20’s: 20-29 30’s: 30-39 40’s: 40-49 50’s: 50-59 60’s: 60 & Over Location: San Antonio, Texas Date: July 24- 27 2014 Entry Fee: $950.00 Judging Criteria: Interview 40%, Fitness 25%, Evening Gown 25%, Photogenic 10%. C Conservative US Pageants Web Site: Visit: Conservative US Pageants. FB page has not been updated since 2013 Age Requirements: Mrs. 25 & Older (Married) Ms. 30 & Older (Single, Widowed, Divorced, Separated) Judging Criteria: Interview 40%, Fitness 15%, Evening Gown 20%, Patriot/Spirit Wear15% & Photogenic 10% *** Extra Bonus Points: (10) – Please see website (About Us) for details D Dream Girl USA Pageant Web Site: Visit: Dream Girls USA Pageant. Age Requirements – Toddlers to Senior (Mother/Daughter) please inquire Location: St. Louis, Missouri Date: July 9-13 2014 Entry Fee: $695.00 if making payments or $595.00 if paid in full Judging Criteria: Spokes Model – 50% & Formal Wear – 50% Optional: A) Photogenic - B) Portfolio - C) Runway Model -D) Talent E Exquisite International Web Site: http://www.exquisitepageants.com/index.html Teen 13-19 Miss 20-29 Ms. 30-49 Mrs. 22-49 Classic 50+ Location: Baltimore MA Date: Aug. 21-23 2014 Entry Fee: $500.00 Judging: Interview 30%, Fitness wear 20%, Fashion 20%, Evening Wear 30% G Galaxy International Pageants Web Site: Visit: Galaxy International Pageants. Mrs Division: Age 21 & Over – Married Miss 19-29 must be unmarried Ms Division: Age 30 & Over – Single, Divorced, Widowed & Single Mother Miss Teen – 15-18 Location: Orlando, Florida Date: Aug. 9 2014 Entry Fee: $1,200.00 Judging Criteria: 20% - Photogenic, Interview, Swimsuit, Fashion & Evening Gown Ms/Mrs. US Globe/ Mrs. Globe Web Site: Visit: Ms/Mrs US Globe. MS/MRS US Globe Age Requirement: 21 & Over – Married or Divorced Single Applicants Age Requirement: 26 & Over Date: July 10-13 2014 MRS Globe Age Requirement: 21 & Over – Married or Divorced Location: Las Vagas Date: August July 17-20 2014 Entry Fee: $1,800.00 - 2,000.00 (Please call to confirm) Judging Criteria: Personality Profile, Swimsuit & Evening Gown Scoring is done on the preferential ballot system. Global United Pageant Web Site: http://www.globalunitedpageant.com/ Age: Teen 13-17 Miss 18-24 Ms 25-44 Mrs. Any age and married Classic 45-59 Sr. Ms 60+ Location: Minneapolis MN Date: July 16-19 2014 Entry Fee: $500.00 Judging: interview 35% community service 20% evening wear 20% onstage question 5% personality wear 20% I Mrs. International Web Site: Visit: Mrs. International Pageant. Age Requirement: 21 & Over - Married Location: Jacksonville FL Date: July 25-26 2014 Entry Fee: Contact State Director Or National Office Entry Deadline: Contact State Director or National Office Judging Criteria: 50% Interview, 25% Aerobic Wear & 25% Evening Gown M Miss American Beauties Plus Pageant Web Site: http://www.americanbeautiespluspageant.com/#! Age: Teen + Location: TBA Date: April 24-27 2014 Entry Fee: $575.00 or $375.00 for teens Judging: Interview 50% Fashion 20% Evening Gown 20% On-stage question 10% N National Ms Pageant Web site: http://www.nationalmspageants.com/#!faq/c16on Age: Teen 13-19 Miss 20-34 Ms 35+ Mrs 18+ Location: Williamsburg VA Date: Aug 6-8 2014 Entry Fee: $895.00 Judging: Photogenic 20% interview 20% Fitness 20% Evening Gown 20% Glamor Wear 20% P Petite America Pageants Teen/Miss/Ms/Mrs/Mrs. Woman/Lady/Mrs. Lady/Classic Web Site: Visit: Petite America Pageants. Height Requirements: 5’6” & Under No exceptions. Contestants will be measured at orientation. Ms.: 18-34 years old; may or may not have children and/or be pregnant Ms. Woman: 35-49 years old; may or may not have children and/or be pregnant Mrs.: 18-34 years old, married, may or may not have children and/or be pregnant Mrs. Woman: 35-49 years old; married, may or may not have children and/or be pregnant Mrs. Lady: 50 and up; married, may or may not have children Lady: 50 and up; may or may not have children Classic: any age; any marital status, may or may not have children, MUST be size 14 and up* Location: Connecticut Date: June 30 2014 Entry Fee: $695.00 Deposit: $75.00 Judging Criteria: Interview 40%, High Fashion Wear 20%, Evening Gown 25%, On Stage Question 10% T Today’s American Woman Web Site: http://www.todaysamericanwoman.com/ Age: Jr Teen 11-13 Teen 14-17 Miss 18-25 Ms 21-35 Mrs 21-35 Classy Ms 36-49 Classy Mrs 36-49 Elite Ms 50-65 Golden Ms 60+ Petite 5’4” and under Curvy over size 14 Location: Greenville SC Date: June 21 2014 Entry Fee: $500.00 Judging: Interview 50% glamorous wear 20% fitness 10% evening wear 20% U Mrs. United States Web Site: Visit: Mrs. United States Pageant. Age Requirement: 21 & Over - Married Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Date: July 20-25 2014 Entry Fee: Contact State Directors Or National Office Entry Deadline: Contact State Directors or National Office Judging Criteria: Personal Interview, Swimsuit Presentation & Evening Gown United States Pageants Web Site: Visit: United States Pageants. Divisions: Ms/Miss/Teen/Jr. Teen Location: Washington, DC Date: July 2014 Entry Fee: Contact National Director director@missunitedstates.org. Or Telephone: 434.825.5553 Entry Deadline: Contact National Director Judging Criteria: Personal Interview, Swimsuit & Evening Gown United America Pageant Web Site: Visit: United America Pageant. Age Requirements: Ms Division: 26 & up (single/divorced/widowed) Mrs Division: 21 & up Married Lady Division: 34-50 yr (single/divorced/married/widowed) Classic Division: 45 & up (single/divorced/married/widowed) Elite Division: 55 & up (single/divorced/married/widowed) Woman Division: 26 & up – Size 14 & up (single/divorced/married/widowed) Royal Division: All Ages and Reigning queens may compete for this title. Compete in: Interview, Fashion Wear, Evening Wear, Sponsors referred, Contestants referred, Appearances. (Must provide proof of appearances). Location: Austin, Texas Date: June 19-22 2014 Entry Fee: $1,000.00 • Judging Criteria: Interview, Evening Gown, Fashion Wear & Photogenic United States Woman of Achievement Web Site: Visit: United States Woman of Achievement. Age Requirements: MRS. U.S. Woman of Achievement (I) (24 - 39) MRS. U.S. Woman of Achievement (II) (40 and Over) Location: Anaheim, California Date: November 7-9 2014 Entry Fee: N/A • Judging Criteria: 25% INTERVIEW • 20% PLATFORM (Previous Work or Planned Work on Community Platform) • 15% LIFESTYLE in FITNESS (Aerobic or Swimwear) • 25% SPEECH OR TALENT (Performing Arts or Visual Media) • 15% EVENING GOWN USA Universal Web site: Age: Mrs: 25+ Ms: 21+ (Not married) Location: Rhode Island Date: June 12-17 2014 Entry Fee: Mrs. US Universal 2014: $1250.00 but now ONLY $850.00 until April 15th! Ms. US Universal 2014: $899.00 but now ONLY $725.00 until April 15th! Mrs. US Universal 40's: $550.00 Judging: Lifestyle and Fitness in Swimsuit - 20% Evening Wear - 20% Costume Competition 10% On-Stage Question- 10% (Top 3/5) US United Pageant Web Site: http://www.usunitedpageant.com/index.html Age: ALL AGES Location: Atlanta GA Date: July 17-20 2014 Entry Fee: $300.00 until May 31st then $325.00 After Judging: interview 25% outfit of choice 25% personal introduction 25% evening wear 25% W Mrs. World Web Site: Visit: Mrs. World Pageant. Age Requirement: 18 & Over - Married Location: TBA Date: TBA Entry Fee: Contact National Office Entry Deadline: Contact National Office Judging Criteria: Personal Interview, Swimsuit Presentation & Evening Gown Ms. World International ~ The Premiere Pageant for Women Over 35 Web Site: Visit: Ms. World International. Age Requirement: 35 & Over – Any Marital Status Date: August no 2014 pageant Entry Fee: TBA Judging Criteria: 50% Interview, 20% Evening Gown, 15% Swimwear (w) Accessories & 15% Haute Couture Fashion Wear World Universal Pageant Web Site: Visit: World Universal Pageant. Jr Teen 13-15 Teen 16-19 Miss 20-24 Ms 25-39 Mrs 25-39 Ms Woman 40+ Location: TBA Date: 2014 TBA Entry Fee: $295.00 Judging Criteria: Opening Number Introduction, Interview, Photogenic, Evening Gown New York/Paris Fashion Wear [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Subject: Hey mod, can we reduce or stop these huge ads? I want to learn and share about MS and MRS, and these are really distracting, thanks
Author: it's getting old [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05/11/14 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Seriously, if you are that easily distracted and find it's too much work to just scroll on by, then maybe pageantry isn't for you because truste, you're going to get your feathers ruffled a lot and you need to be able to let things go. Stop sweating the small stuff like the oversized ads. There are worse things in the world. (NT) -- Surprised by what irritates some people, 05/11/14 Sun Seriously, it's irritating. The ads are obnoxious. (NT) -- fan, 05/11/14 Sun

Subject: Fredericksburg Miss Heart of the USA
Author: Sue Ann Colon [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05/07/14 Wed Everyone come be part of a family that focuses on stomping out hunger. No Experience Required Open to all ages no one is too young or too old. Let them know you were sent by Sue Ann Colon. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: http://www.voy.com/225301/Positive, helpful, and fun! If you won't say something to someone in person, you can't say it here! :)
Author: Stop by! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/23/14 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: 2014 North Phoenix Miss Heart of the USA!

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Date Posted: 04/21/14 Mon

Saturday, April 26, 2014 @ 2 p.m.

Calvary Chapel Desert Hills
711 E Carefree Hwy. Suite 120
Desert Hills, Arizona 85085

**THIS PAGEANT IS A 2014 ARIZONA STATE PRELIMINARY

~Awarding $7000 at Nationals Nov. 2014~
~Awarding $500 at State Sept. 2014~

*YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE IN MARICOPA COUNTY TO BE ELIGIBLE TO COMPETE!*

Arizona State Preliminary Pageant to benefit:

"Calvary Chapel Desert Hills Food Bank"

Working to stomp out hunger one county at a time, the Miss Heart of the USA Pageant Program is truly a unique pageant program. We focus on teaching girls the importance of giving back to their community. We believe you are never too young to start and its never too late to get involved which is why we have an age division for everyone.

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Subject: Several really great pageants out there nice directors too! My question some say they need to be on a higher caliber what would you like to see done or fixed to get it on that level ? To get those who feel some smaller pageants are not good enough for them. I must add everyone runs for the big so called 3 but, what makes them higher caliber?
Author: Kelly [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03/04/14 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Three things stand out to me: 1) A great, clean website with good branding/good royalty photos and lots of information. 2) Good production in a theater, not on a one-foot-tall stage in a little ballroom lit with fluorescent ceiling lights. 3) Less categories. I understand the desire to make more crowns available in an attempt to get more contestants, but honestly it only ends up cheapening the competition. Mrs. America, International, and United States have one national winner, not a winner for every five years of age, every two inches of height, etc. Keep it prestigious. (NT) -- Food for thought, 03/04/14 Tue you pretty much said it. Fabulous venue, quality women who are vying for one crown, great schedule, and a web site anyone would be proud to show off. Most can't do all that and don't even try. (NT) -- so, the big 3 does it. That's the difference., 03/05/14 Wed Re: Three things stand out to me: 1) A great, clean website with good branding/good royalty photos and lots of information. 2) Good production in a theater, not on a one-foot-tall stage in a little ballroom lit with fluorescent ceiling lights. 3) Less categories. I understand the desire to make more crowns available in an attempt to get more contestants, but honestly it only ends up cheapening the competition. Mrs. America, International, and United States have one national winner, not a winner for every five years of age, every two inches of height, etc. Keep it prestigious. -- Mrs. Fan (Disappointed), 04/05/14 Sat However, the title is "Mrs. America", which helps a lot. (NT) -- ., 04/05/14 Sat and that's the one reason it's still around (NT) -- the name, 04/18/14 Fri Re: My thought is to answer about one division, most pageants have other divisions and need to to help those that don't fit the 5"7 110 pound contestant . There are so many wonderful ladies that make wonderful queens that couldn't even make the cut in the big three. To have the different divisions at different times for a pageant would be so expensive for a director so put them all together and have a high end pageant for all. Great show, and great things to do leading up to the pageant . (NT) -- N/N, 03/05/14 Wed NAM is a great example of how to do this (I realize they're Miss not Mrs. but I think the formula could still work.) Multiple divisions and each division has their own show. However there's only an hour's time between each show. More economical for the directors because they're renting the venue for the one weekend but having multiple shows. The main girl is crowned, everyone celebrates, clears the theater. The tickets are fairly cheap and they pack the auditorium full every time. It takes a lot more organization for the director but I think could be worth it. (NT) -- More food for thought?, 03/05/14 Wed but NAM is just another ballroom pageant. they have the numbers to split up shows. its not economical for pageants to split up divisions if there isnt at least 20 in a division. (NT) -- have to budget wisely, 03/08/14 Sat True it is a ballroom pageant, but that's one where they have a fantastic setup- better than a lot of theaters out there. The hard part as a director is that you kind of have to bite the financial bullet and pay for what you want before you get it- pay for a super high quality program and then you'll start attracting numbers. It's nearly impossible to do it the other way around. (NT) -- Being a director is hard, especially financially., 03/09/14 Sun Re: Be realistic ladies. You want a huge stage but low cost. Ballroom is the best. period. Unless you want the political antics of Us Int'l and America, stop bitching about a ballroom. Because a venue charges 5grand to be on stage instead of a ballroom stage does NOT a pageant make. Stop the madness (NT) -- sheesh, 04/19/14 Sat AMEN!!! - Low Entry Fee, Huge Prize Package, Opening Number Dress, Outings, Meals, Incredible Crown, the list goes on and all for a buck fifty. Cannot be done. Realistic is the word of the day. (NT) -- I could not have said it better., 04/20/14 Sun agree, but when I pay well over $1000 to enter, & I get no prizes, a platfor stage and no meals , mandatory ad fees, tickets, "training" sessions, program books, and a 100 other incidentals where the director is getting a kickback, something is definitely not realistic there. (NT) -- sorry, 04/20/14 Sun Re:We were only referencing the ballroom versus stage quibble. Your list of issues are for a whole other conversation I guess. However, if your list is accurate, why on earth did you enter? That sounds like one heck of a mess of a pageant! (NT) -- ., 04/20/14 Sun

Subject: Are you more or less likely to compete when.....
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08/21/13 Wed You see a director and/or titleholder constantly promoting their pageant/defending statements or opinions/or making bold statements on voy boards? I tend to find that excessive posting by certain directors/contestants/titleholders turns me off of a pageant simply because it looks like those are the ones creating drama where there was none. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I tend to avoid any pageant with all that drama -- usually has some basis of truth, even most of it may be farfetched, 08/21/13 Wed Avoid. I don't want or need that kind of drama. -- Northwesterner, 08/21/13 Wed I too tend to avoid any pageant (even if it's a big 3) if there are contestants or directors trolling on the boards. It just speaks volumes as to the level of behavior that the ladies will have at the pageant. -- IMHO, 08/21/13 Wed I get really turned off by repeated postings by directors for their pageant. If I want to find out more I will go to your website, FB, twitter, Instagram, Vine, blog and more but I don't think you should be advertising on gossip boards. That just tells me you're trolling for your own dirt or are keeping a thumb on chatter that might be about you. -- Sorry but I don't like it, 08/30/13 Fri Could not agree more! One system is moderating one board and that same system has constant crazy comments on another board. Then the director makes updates on the board they moderate- it is just too much. I like to enjoy pageantry. Just enjoy it. I don't want to sign up for drama. I won't say the system's initials, but no way would I sign up for that much craziness. (NT) -- I like peaceful pageants. If there is such a thing LOL, 09/16/13 Mon You are so odd the mark with your comment about a system running a voy board. I know which system you are accusing and I hope you have facts to prove it, but I already know you don't. Those posts are being made by someone who is either trying to annoy everyone with the constant comments. They know that they have gotten under your skin so they keep posting. (NT) -- HTH, 09/16/13 Mon another nasty defensive post. who are you! if you are from the system, YOU are the one hurting it. If you care, then. stop the nasty posts. BTW, you are the ONLY one. (NT) -- love the system but someone needs to go!, 09/16/13 Mon Totally agree with the above poster. Someone is trying to annoy, and you keep on falling for it. I know they have better things to do, and to tell the truth, I feel that is the same reason this thread was started. Someone feels that they are a threat so let the bashing begin and continue. (NT) -- Things like this is why directors NO longer post on Voy Forums., 09/16/13 Mon I think the posts are from someone closely involved with the system. (NT) -- JMO, 09/16/13 Mon I do not compete in any pageant that's advertised on Voy. Just speaks to the fact that the director likes gossip -- IMHO, 09/17/13 Tue I'm going to have to disagree with this. I think sometimes, directors advertise on Voy because they know that's where all of the potential contestants are. (NT) -- Makes since to advertise here since that's where everyone is, 09/17/13 Tue I say get off your butt and recruit in person - seriously, voy advertisement means more gossip potential - to invite new blood into potential you need to recruit new blood the old fashioned way. (NT) -- truth, 09/17/13 Tue AMEN!! (NT) -- No voy ads!, 09/17/13 Tue Just because someone advertises on Voy doesn't mean they're sitting on their butts. Just because a director advertises here, doesn't mean that she's not recruiting in person as well. A true business woman uses ALL of her resources. That includes offline AND online resources. You're on Voy right now, so according to your logic, that would mean that you love to gossip just because you're here. Making blanket statements like that isn't fair, in my opinion. I'm not even a director but I just had to comment on this. (NT) -- Not everyone on Voy likes to gossip. I DON'T, 09/18/13 Wed Just because we are on Voy doesn't mean we are competing either. After what I see on voy by contestants and directors, I choose NOT to compete. (NT) -- That's truth, 09/19/13 Thu While not everyone on Voy is competing, there are quite a few women on here that are or plan to again in the future and are looking for pageants to enter. I actually haven't competed in almost 8 years. But if I see a pageant advertised on Voy, I'm not going to think anything of it or the director. Once upon a time, Voy was the only place you could go to find out about pageants...before Facebook, Twitter, etc. I actually think Facebook is a lot worse! But that's just my opinion. (NT) -- Let's agree to disagree, 09/19/13 Thu While not everyone on Voy is competing, there are quite a few women on here that are or plan to again in the future and are looking for pageants to enter. Once upon a time, Voy was the only place you could go to find out about pageants...before Facebook, Twitter, etc. I actually think Facebook is a lot worse! But that's just my opinion. (NT) -- Lets agree to disagree, 09/19/13 Thu Somehow, this posted twice. Sorry (NT) -- Oops, double post, 09/19/13 Thu Yes, please promote your title and the system. (NT) -- N/T, 04/19/14 Sat

Subject: If you could go back:
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10/17/13 Thu What would you tell yourself before entering your VERY FIRST Mrs/Ms pageant? I would tell myself that I don't have to conform to popular styles, that I should trust my instincts and that I should always be cautious with who I trust in the pageant community. How about you? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I would tell myself to invest my money in a good, proven results pageant coach. That was my mistake, corrected it and won my second time on the pageant stage. -- and to relax, 10/17/13 Thu You can do your best but still lose...its entirely subjective and theres more politics than you could EVER know at work so dont stress and dont overspend -- Not all based on merit more on luck, 10/18/13 Fri Like the above poster, I say this. You can have all the money, wardrobe, coaching, in the world. You can prepare to the max, be ready, be on your game, everything in place - BUT, it comes down to a group of human beings, who have opinions, feelings, and see you through their eyes only, and it could be something very silly & they just don't like you (hair color, remind them of their x wife) and you're a goner. -- it's not personal sometime, just human nature, 10/19/13 Sat Fun little experience but know when to let it go. -- d, 10/20/13 Sun I would not have visited voy and I would say don't spend that crazy stupid money, you will never get it back (not even for the experience) -- :-), 10/21/13 Mon I learned to compete once maybe twice for a title, more than that and you look desperate not determined. -- IMHO, 10/21/13 Mon Yes but for some it pays big. Valerie Brooks won Mrs TX America on her 15th try and made top 5 or 10 (?) at Mrs America -- I find that inspiring she never quit & now she too is a former, 10/21/13 Mon I personally can't justify competing 15 times for a title (or more than twice like the other person) that's a lot of money, time, etc that can be spent on family/needs/other interests -- That's just way too much for me, 10/21/13 Mon I completely agree. I have never competed in any pageant more than twice, however, if there was a title I wanted badly enough, then three times would be the absolute max since I guess third time's a charm. If I can't win a pageant after trying 3 times, then I'd just have to assume it's not for me! (NT) -- The most I've ever done is twice, the most I'd ever consider is 3 times, 10/22/13 Tue This is a good example of why you should ignore these comments. What one person finds desperate another finds inspiring. Just follow your own instincts. There are no rules for what is best for you. (NT) -- Be true to yourself, 10/22/13 Tue I think 15 times is overkill. Sorry but I think that is being desperate. I think you have to realize that 15 years going after one title is also obsessive in my book (NT) -- Too each their own I guess, 10/24/13 Thu It's not if every time you go, you enjoy the experience. If you challenge yourself, make friends, help other competitors, and not be completely self-absorbed in trying to win the title, then every one of those 15 times is beneficial to you and others. There is nothing desperate about that. (NT) -- Winning at the detriment of others and the pageant environment is desperate, 10/24/13 Thu I'm sorry but if anyone does a pageant 15 times, I don't believe for a second that they're not trying to win the title. Of course they are! I don't know if I would call it desperate but I would definitely have to agree with the poster who said it's obsessive. If it was just about the "experience" then I think someone would just alternate between different pageants, every year for 15 years. But when it's the same one 15 times straight, then it's definitely about winning that specific title. (NT) -- I'm in no way bashing the woman who did it 15 times, 10/24/13 Thu I agree! 15 times is obsessed. All that money thrown around and family time? I don't think so (NT) -- IMHO, 10/25/13 Fri Some titles are valued more than others sad to say. Many Miss America and Miss USA girls compete until they age out. In Mrs./Ms. there is no aging out so some will compete as many times as it takes. If I was married and I could afford it I would compete at the state level until I win for the big 3 yearly. (NT) -- repeat contender, 10/25/13 Fri Just because one person views it as an obsession does not mean we all feel the same way. I say that if it is truly the title you want, then pursue it. What you do with your money is your business and as long as you are not taking money from a vacation fund, etc., you do your thing and stop listening to others who call it an obsession. IT TRULY IS NOT OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS HOW YOU SPEND YOUR TIME OR MONEY! (NT) -- Nuf said!, 10/25/13 Fri You do know that Miss America prelims don't have entry fees right? Lol (NT) -- I still say it's obsessive, 10/25/13 Fri They are speaking about Mrs. pageants otherwise you would age out of a Miss. That being said, it is still not my place, your place or anyone else's place to tell someone how or what to spend their money on. I have friends who spend an average of $50 a week on Lottery tickets and they have been doing this for years. Do you really think I give a darn what anyone does with their money or how many times they spend their money on the same thing over and over? Seriously, people, it's none of anyone's business but the person doing it and if they can afford to do it repeatedly I sa go for it! (NT) -- Kudos to them!, 10/25/13 Fri Miss America requires every young lady to pay a Children's Miracle Network fee for every local they compete in and ever state competition. That can add up when you exhaust your supporters after the 3 or 4th pageant. Plus all the wardrobe you are required to wear and purchase for competition. VERY expensive, but they have mom's and dad's to pay. Some of the younger MRS still have mommy and daddy to help them out, especially those who competed as young ladies and never won, but for the most part it is on the family of the woman competing to pay. I agree, 15 times is a bit much (click in) -- Tried 4 times and have moved on a winner for what I accomplished., 10/26/13 Sat God doesn't judge pageants; a rotating panel of adults do. God is probably busy with more important things than pageants. (NT) -- smh, 10/28/13 Mon Nobody said he judged pageant, what was stated is that maybe you are not winning because there is a different path for you. He is willing to wait, some just don't listen! (NT) -- Sorry you miss understood! If it is in HIS plan it will happen., 10/28/13 Mon So it's God's will if you lose, and God's plan if you win? (NT) -- Isn't he too busy for this kind of stuff?, 10/30/13 Wed God is never too busy for anything. EVERYTHING is God's will/plan. I think the previous poster's message was very clear. (NT) -- It's obvious you don't understand, 10/31/13 Thu If "everything" is God's plan, then why are there disasters, violence, famine, etc Yes, I have a relationship with God, so don't go there. I just think it is a shame when people give up trying and accept failure because they use the excuse that God didn't will it to happen. (NT) -- Best to be thankful for God, but not assign every outcome as his decision, 10/31/13 Thu Opportunities opened for me, after my loss, when I let myself be open to him. If his plan for you includes a win it will happen. Violence happens because we have free will, God is there! He knows before we do and is there to be our comfort. He cannot stop evil, disasters, or famine but he can put a spirit in us that help us, as humans, come together in love for one another. You don't have to understand, maybe it is not for you to understand right now. But for me it is clear. Once you are open and trust in his direction for you, love is the path you walk, with or without a crown. (NT) -- have a great day!, 10/31/13 Thu Couldn't have said it better myself! (NT) -- Well said!, 11/01/13 Fri I said everything is God's PLAN not everything is God's FAULT. As far as disasters... there are MANY people who (CLICK IN) -- Maybe you should reconsider what you view as "failure", 11/01/13 Fri so if it's good, then God did it. but if it's bad, then it's our fault? Wow. I didn't know humans could cause tornados, earthquakes & volcanoes, etc. -- wow, 11/04/13 Mon You obviously only read what you wanted to read. Where did I say anywhere that anything was OUR fault? All I said was that EVERYTHING isn't God's fault. Sometimes things just happen (call it the devil, if you want) but it is GOD that gets us through those things. It's obvious you are biased and don't want to see things any other way so I'm done! (NT) -- I could go into more detail but what's the point, 11/04/13 Mon These posts are not from the same person. I made the post asking about why bad things happen if is god's plan, but I did not make the post about good things being from god and bad things not. That poster does have a point though. It did come across that way, I thought. But I didn't say it. Anyway, just wanted you to know this series is not just one person speaking. (NT) -- Challenging logic isn't being mean- it's intellectual and inquisitive, 11/05/13 Tue I wish I had done smaller Mrs/Ms pageants before jumping into the International system. State level advertising 'No pageant experience needed', but to do well in the system, you must have experience or connections. As it is, I have spent tons of time and money which makes not making the top 15 a bigger disappointment than not placing in a smaller pageant that I was not heavily invested. I think my entire pageant experience would have been better and more fun had I started small. -- TF, 10/29/13 Tue I have to agree. Even though the smaller ones don't seem as important, it WILL help you learn, grown, advance, and eventually win. Don't jump in to a major until you know all about it. Sure, some win the first try, but that is rare. Learn everything you can, practice, prepare, invest, play whatever game is needed, but smaller pageants will teach you everything you need to know. -- then, step up with confidence, 10/30/13 Wed Well Said! (NT) -- Yep, 10/30/13 Wed I would have stayed clear of several veterans in my state as they thrive on drama and I would have just kept to myself more. -- Sad but true, 11/03/13 Sun Me too! I would have just had fun and walked away. The clicks are like mean girls. And they are adult women, pathetic! -- Glad to be done!, 11/04/13 Mon Re: If you could go back: -- pageant fan, 01/30/14 Thu I would tell myself to enjoy it. I had such a great time, met great women and though I didn't win it was just an all-around wonderful experience. -- Northwesterner, 02/01/14 Sat Get a coach, focus the why your are doing this, keep to yourself, don't worry so much about appearances until you win, and stay away from the veterans(ESPECIALLY IF YOU WIN)! My state has the Clicks of Pain....they are mean and backstabbing. -- :), 02/03/14 Mon I would listen to the input of others who have competed - research research research the system (from State Director to National). (NT) -- This would have saved me lots of $ and I would have RUN from Mrs. A., 02/03/14 Mon As well as Mrs. Continental (which is now International). (NT) -- Live and Learn! ;), 02/03/14 Mon An organized director is worth her weight in gold. Research and find a good director because that will help ensure a good experience regardless of the outcome. Practice interview every single day for months. -- Love crowns, 02/04/14 Tue are there any left? Please tell us who is organized and I'll enter right away. -- seriously!, 02/13/14 Thu Depends on your state! -- We USED to have one now all is lost in all systems in our state!, 02/13/14 Thu I heard a rumor that one atlantic state is getting a new director for the Big 3. If the current queens appearances are indicative of what the director will do should be great. -- we have one good system already but two would be better, 03/31/14 Mon I would be more critical of my team : -- No Name, 02/08/14 Sat Look for a director who actually tries to line up appearances for her court, at least one a year. I know of a few that claim to be "national" pageants where the director crowns her court, then doesn't see them until the next year. I mean, if nothing else, line up AT LEAST ONE appearance for your court so that you can get everyone together at least once during their year. -- Sick and tired of directors that are in it only for the money, 03/02/14 Sun Wish I could go back with that great enthusiasm and determination I once had. After 4 titles, I find it very hard to get back to that level of wanting to win. BUT, if I could go back, I would focus on becoming Mrs. America with all of my heart and soul. -- done competing, 03/07/14 Fri am with you on every count. I pay to be there, pay to win, and then directors take your money, have their party, & then you're on your own. -- it's just wrong, 04/18/14 Fri

Subject: Happy President's Day!
Author: Pam Bolter, Exec Director [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02/16/14 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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dying to see the contestants! -- go florida, 03/21/14 Fri Deadline is March 30th - photos will be posted by April 15th (as well as Judges photos and bios being posted soon). -- Getting excited! Pam, 03/24/14 Mon Just wanted to give a shout out to Donna Brown and Crystal Gail as they finish their reign with just three weeks left to go. They have been amazing(!) Queens!!!! -- Love you two! Pam, 04/05/14 Sat Does anyone else think the Mrs. crown looks like it has a cat on top? Not my favorite crown. -- Meow!, 04/08/14 Tue Mrs. United States system really needs to go with more of the traditional crown of the Ms, Miss, and Teen titles. -- Agree, 04/08/14 Tue gosh I wish they would change our Mrs crowns to those of our sister queens!!!! so much prettier and the national one is beautiful as well -- honored to be a Mrs but I think the MRS in the crown is a bit over the top, 04/08/14 Tue I totally disagree! I LOVE the MRS US branding -- I think this sets them apart - but I love the HH crown most!, 04/09/14 Wed Mrs. Crown -- Mrs. US Fan, 04/10/14 Thu You must see this crown in person to really appreciate it's beauty. It is truly stunning! Looks like a national crown. Plus the history of this crown represents the Mrs. United States system for over 25 years. That speaks volume, speaks tradition and honor. -- Agree with this post 100%, 04/10/14 Thu I am very very proud to have that MRS crown. It may seem cheesy, but it sets itself apart in many ways. -- I"m gonna have to agree, 04/10/14 Thu agree! wore it proudly each and everytime for a year! -- and you would too, 04/10/14 Thu Ms. and Mrs. Florida photos have been displayed on their FB page today! SO EXCITED!!! (NT) -- https://www.facebook.com/groups/329057587110225/, 04/15/14 Tue gonna be fun to watch! (NT) -- can't wait, way to go Pam, 04/18/14 Fri

Subject: Ms, Mrs. & Elite American Beauty
Author: Christi [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/15/14 Tue The American Beauty pageant system is still accepting applications for at large titleholders in many states in Mrs. Ms and Elite divisions. The deadline is fast approaching though! Elite American Beauty - Unmarried, Married, Divorced, Single, Widowed, age 50 and over as of the start date of the National pageant. Mrs. American Beauty- Married, 21 and over as of the start date of the National pageant. Ms. American Beauty- Unmarried, Married, Divorced, Single, Widowed, age 30 and over as of the start date of the National pageant. The national pageant is held in June, 24-27th in Kissimmee, Florida and is cheaper than most state pageants. The entry fee is only $495, plus a $100 ad fee, (of $595 for those who have mentioned they don’t like the costs divided like this) :) The fee includes: -Custom crown -Embroidered satin sash with rhinestone trim -Photo Cd of the pageant -Trip to downtown Disney -Admission to watch Tiny Miss, Little Miss, Jr Miss and Pre-Teen American Beauty Pageant which is held on a different day than the Mrs., Ms. & Elite division. (You are not competing against nor will you be on stage with little kids for any part of the competition or crowning!) -Admission to watch Miss US International & Miss US Supranational Pageant which is held at a different time than the American Beauty divisions entirely. Judging for the Ms. & Mrs. divisions is 40% Interview, Swimsuit OR Fitness 20%, Evening Gown 30% and Overall Stage Presence 10% Judging for the Elite division is 50% interview, Swimsuit OR Fitness 20%, Evening Gown 20% and Overall Stage Presence 10% There are currently only 8 ladies registered in Mrs. 5 in Ms. and 3 in Elite, an increase from the previous 2 years but still low enough to make it worth the trip to Florida :) Our system is not leaden with contractual burdens; you are free to compete in other systems while you hold a state or national title. All that we ask is that national titleholders come back to crown the successor next year and that you make 12 appearances in your national crown and sash throughout the year. The minimum prize package is $250 cash, plus a bunch of other prizes and it goes up from there, the more delegates there are, the bigger the cash prize is! I am mostly recruiting for the Midwest, which is my region and so far only Michigan and Great Lakes are crowned. I am looking for representation in Ms. Mrs. & Elite for Iowa, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois & Indiana…however if you are from any other state and are interested please do not hesitate to email me or apply on my website. I will help anyone! The team of regional directors really works together on this venture to make sure that the delegates are all taken care of and have everything they need regardless of where they are from and who is the regions manager! http://midwestregionalpageants.com/apply-now [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Deadline to enter is May 1st :) (NT) -- Christi, 04/17/14 Thu

Subject: Just have to vent!
Author: Judie Cole [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/15/14 Tue Hi Ladies... Today marked the one year anniversary of the Boston Marathon Bombings. The city held a beautiful memorial in the rain. While watching the ceremony on TV, I happened to see a young woman wearing a "Massachusetts" banner. She wasn't MAO, USA or Mrs (America). Is it me, or is the idea of wearing a banner to a memorial function like it was a parade really tacky and horrific? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yeah I have to say that this was NOT the place to wear a sash. Any memorial is about the individual and/or group and not the titkeholder. -- IMHO, 04/15/14 Tue Ditto. Not the appropriate place. Unless you've been invited by the event organizers as a special guest, no. Even as a special guest a crown pin is more appropriate. -- Northwesterner, 04/15/14 Tue

Subject: Miss Heart of Spring
Author: Sue Ann Colon [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/11/14 Fri LAST DAY TO REGISTER !!!! COME ROCK OUT, IT'S SPRING !!! Everyone come be part of a family that focuses on stomping out hunger. No Experience Required Open to all ages no one is too young or too old. Let them know you were sent by Sue Ann Colon. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: new international board
Author: bout time [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04/03/14 Thu http://www.voy.com/241692/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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This is just a question but I just don't understand why a new board is needed with so many universal boards? Why not just post here? -- Just a question, 04/05/14 Sat Actually I'd be VERY Leary of any International specific board. The director & staff always try a seek & destroy method to find who owns it & if you are a current contestant, be warned you won't last long once they do find out. -- seen it happen, 04/08/14 Tue Very true. Intl does not support voyers in anyway. Every year someone tries to start one up and it's always the same pick your favorites thread. Beware of the voy game. It will do you no favors in competition. -- Truth, 04/10/14 Thu Agreed! It's probably just someone fishing for IP addresses. -- Don't trust that board, 04/11/14 Fri

Subject: the new 2014 Mrs NC United States was crowned at the Miss NC US pageant without the 2013 Mrs ever being told or invited since the new queen was chosen at large (director resigned). If you were the 2013 queen, what would you do?
Author: surprised they did this [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01/25/14 Sat Without a director she had no farewell but the new queen is not a runner up so neither knew the other whrn this happened. Should formers reach out to the new ones or do you think its the other way around...the new queens at large should extend the invitation to connect? my thought is you never know who the next director might be. Did the live pageant crowning her have an obligation to invite the reigning to give up her title and have her farewell? I think that may have been the right thing to do rather thsn find out from a friend your year is now over. Thoughts? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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As a former who didn't get a formal farewell, it's hard, but sometimes that's just how it goes. I recorded my farewell speech and put it on my website, blog, FB and that's all I could do. -- Me, 01/26/14 Sun This situation happens all the time, there is a lot of turnover in state directors, and US has alot of at-large queens. If I were the 2013 queen I wouldn't take it personally, and it would be nice to reach out to the new titleholder offering to answer questions or help in any way. (NT) -- Take the high road., 01/26/14 Sun As an NC girl, I had wondered... Glad to see this post even though I hate the circumstances. I believe they should have extended you the invitation to have at least crowned the new at-large Mrs. NC US. Good for you for still recording your farewell and posting on your sites. That's gracious, and more than most would have done. I do agree, however, take the high road! (NT) -- Past NC Queen, 03/25/14 Tue I know this isn't fair, but you have to realize that it's hard for a new director to think of everything, even though it seems like a no brainer. Maybe she felt you weren't 'hers'. That's ashame. Did you know there would be an announcement? If so, you should have contacted her. If not, you're going to have to chalk it off and get over it. She goofed or she really wasn't worried about you. Perhaps she was afraid you'd ask for perks - hotel, travel. Who knows, but it does suck. Many of us have been screwed out of our farewells, trust me. -- sorry, 03/26/14 Wed Who was crowned? Nothing on U.S. site yet (NT) -- Wondering!, 03/26/14 Wed I'm also curious..... (NT) -- NC girl, 03/31/14 Mon just Google. Stephanie Butler is Mrs NC US 2014. (NT) -- you can Google a title and usually find who has it, 03/31/14 Mon

Subject: EXCITING OPTIONAL COMPETITION for Ms. & Mrs. Florida Pageant!
Author: Pam Bolter, Exec Director Mrs. Florida [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03/28/14 Fri EXCITING OPTIONAL COMPETITION!!!! Ms. Inspirational 2014 Our judges are looking for the most Inspirational Contestant of 2014 and will reward her with a beautiful crown, banner and amazing rhinestone necklace. They will be looking for: "Someone who has an abstract concept or idea. The delegate with spiritual connotations as well as practical connotations. A woman that inspires the mind, emotions, and/or the body to a higher level of feelings or activity." Are you that woman? For a $100 contribution, you will present an essay of up to 250 words of why you feel you should be selected Ms. Inspirational 2014. With this essay, you may present up to two attachments – one can be a series of photos showing you actively making a difference, and the other could be a letter or certificate from an organization or person that you have inspired to get heights. After interviews on Saturday, April 26th (after the final balloting of the interviews is concluded), our judges will review your presentation and cast a vote of 1-10 for you. ONLY the presentation packet you prepare will be scored; nothing on the interview will carry over and none of your stage competition will be in consideration for this award. This is truly based on your presentation on paper. The award and crowning of our 2014 Ms. Inspirational will take place on Sunday during the Ms. & Mrs. Florida United States. There will be a 1st and 2nd honorable mention for your court as well. If you are interested, please send $100 via PayPal to Director_MrsFlorida@yahoo.com and submit your paperwork by April 10th via e-mail attachments or you can mail a hard copy to: Florida U.S. Pageants, 8 Flagler Drive, Palm Coast, FL 32137 Only ONE Ms. Inspirational will be selected from the group of 2014 Ms. and Mrs. Florida United States state finalists. This is a title that you can proudly wear throughout your reign and continue to represent The Pageant With A Purpose! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Subject: Love pageantry so much and wonder what draws other ladies to pageantry? What is it that motivates you?
Author: curious conversation. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03/23/14 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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psyching myself up. Primping. Planning. Buying. Being the best I can be. The trip, the fun, the challenge. It's all good no matter what! (NT) -- cant' stop, 03/24/14 Mon Great response! (NT) -- Love it all., 03/24/14 Mon I second that. Great response! (NT) -- **, 03/24/14 Mon* and ladies, also, it's the whole sense of satisfaction you get doing something most women never experience. Win - holy cow, then you've hit the lottery. Lose? Well, I"ve lost a ton of them. I still keep bouncing back. It's the gold ring and I want it. (NT) -- just keep on going til you get it, 03/26/14 Wed

Subject: Ladies! Please!!! Stop asking for money on facebook for your hobby!!! Make your request private to frineds and family. I find it so utterly tacky that pageant ladies (espcially the Mrs. contestants) ask their fellow pageant sisters for money.
Author: stop it already! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03/02/14 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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OK. I feel the same about directors having charity pageants for their own entry fee to a pageant. Be honest! (NT) -- ..., 03/02/14 Sun wow...never heard about that but agree. (NT) -- support your hobby, 03/02/14 Sun Thank you! I know one who does this year after year, then she whines and cries online when she doesn't win. (NT) -- So tacky, 03/02/14 Sun yeah, it's pretty darn embarrassing, even to read! (NT) -- not sure what's she's thinking, 03/03/14 Mon I'll tell you what she's thinking... she wants everyone to feel sorry for her and fund her next pageant. Then she loses, and the cycle repeats itself. (NT) -- So sick of it, 03/15/14 Sat I would never go to FB to raise $$ for a pageant. When you get to the national level you go to small local business to sponsor an ad etc. Other than that, what the heck do they want you to "go fund"? Their personal Travel? Hotel? Wardrobe? Misc.? If you can't afford to go to nationals, DON'T COMPETE... When it comes to a mandatory "ad page" I have no problem with women doing their due diligence and scoping out local sponsors, but to ask friends and family for $$$ to compete is low-class. Unless it's an actual sponsorship for an ad page get out of the self fund-raising business. (NT) -- Stop the FB fundraising insanity...., 03/03/14 Mon Could not agree with you more!!!! another one just popped up. If you can't afford to compete, don't do it!!! You know going in pageatry is an expensive HOBBY and I find it rude to ask others to pay for your HOBBY! (NT) -- tacky, tacky, tacky, 03/03/14 Mon Just saw a video on youtube of someone asking for donations. OMG!!!! Personally, I think this is rhe depth of tackiness. (NT) -- I just don't get it., 03/09/14 Sun I received a request from a miss contestant. She met me once two years ago when I judged her. Her request was not for a CMA donation but a request for money (code: clothing and pageant coach). She stated she helped thousands and needs to continue. Really; volunteer work costs $2000? Asking me for money in her manner is egotistical and classless. If I ever judge this contestant again, she will be grilled in the interview room. My first question will be to give me the names and brief information of ten specific people that she helped. (NT) -- earn your own money, 03/10/14 Mon I am listening to all of this and am perplexed! (click in) -- be kind!, 03/11/14 Tue Not referring to young ladies at all. They I applaude, it's the Mrs. contestants. -- they must pay to the piper, 03/11/14 Tue Pageants are not a necessary hobby; asking for money is a delicate matter. There should be reasonable boundaries for all ages. Click In. -- respectfully disagree, 03/22/14 Sat Contestants should stop soliciting on Facebook when DIRECTORS stop soliciting for contestants on Facebook! Directors tell candidates to use EVERY opportunity to help them pay the entry fee, etc. Do you think the director cares how the person gets the money to compete? NO! All they care about is the entry fee being paid! If you don't want to donate to help someone live their dream then DON'T, but don't criticize them for using the outlets available to them. Call any director and ask them if they care & they will say NO and will encourage it if it means that person walks across their stage. (NT) -- Raise Money any way you can.... (legally), 03/22/14 Sat

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Subject: Congratulations
Author: Judie Cole [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03/09/14 Sun Congrats to Monique Jones Taylor, the new Mrs Massachusetts America! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: FREE !!!! FREE !!!!
Author: Sue Ann Colon [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03/09/14 Sun FREE !!!! FREE !!!! Everyone come be part of a family that focuses on stomping out hunger. No Experience Required Open to all ages no one is too young or too old. Let them know you were sent by Sue Ann Colon. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Ms, Mrs. & Elite American Beauty
Author: Christi [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02/12/14 Wed The American Beauty pageant system is currently seeking delegates for the national pageant in June. Entry is only $495 plus a $100 ad fee. Nationals are in June in Florida. Some states are holding prelims, many are crowning at large. Mid West Regional Pageants are holding a prelim in Ohio and one in Kentucky. The Ohio date is April 19th and Kentucky is April 26th. Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa and Missouri are all being awarded at large this year while we plan our mid west regional pageant for next year to include all states. The American Beauty system is under the national direction of Britt Harrison, of Miss US International & Miss US Supranantional and is an exceptional national director with a stellar reputation. You can go to the Mid West Regional Pageant website to sign up for Ohio, Kentucky or to apply at large for any other state, if you are outside of the Mid West Region I will forward your application to the director in your area :) http://midwestregionalpageants.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Subject: Free Florida Pageant Workshop
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Subject: What State Pageants have already happened for 2014?
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Subject: Ms. & Mrs. Florida United States Pageant info
Author: Pam Bolter, Exec. Director [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02/05/14 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Impressed with the Queens, Directors and the constant promotion! -- You go!, 02/13/14 Thu

Subject: Donations?
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12/01/13 Sun I was recently approached to donate to someone's entry fee for a national pageant. I was perplexed because I feel like if you can't afford it on your own why are you entertaining the idea? It wasn't for an ad page of anything but straight up the entry fee. How do you feel? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I can top that. We once had a director contacting us about helping pay for her queen to go to nationals right after the pageant was over. -- The director was in serious debt., 12/01/13 Sun Its a hobby and I think that ladies need to pay their own way or get it through business sponsors but not friends, family, individuals. In this tight economic world, it's ubsurd to expect others to pay your way. -- IMHO, 12/01/13 Sun Its ridiculous! If you can't afford to play, get out of the sand box -- seriously people, 12/02/13 Mon that takes some nerve! If she had the nerve to ask you and make you feel guilty, you need to give it back to her and tell her "you'll donate to her if she donates to you!" Tell her you have your eye on this great new gown and if she wouldn't mind, you could use the down payment. (NT) -- are you kidding me?, 12/03/13 Tue What do you think about state titleholders using gofundme in preparation for Nationals? -- curious, 12/03/13 Tue I personally think it is tacky. Again, if you can't afford to play, don't play. It isn't like you are trying to raise money for a good cause.You are literally trying to raise money for a MRS pageant that nobody outside of the pageant world cares about. -- Just my opinion though., 12/04/13 Wed have to agree. No one cares and generally respects pageants, let alone want to contribute to the cause. It's rather humiliating to see girls asking for funds and worse when no one is donating. Wouldn't want my name on one. -- no thanks, 12/04/13 Wed I understand going to a business and asking for money if you have been an excellent customer. However, to ask family and friends for money so that you can do a pageant is disgraceful. It is indicative of our Obama society, if I can't afford it, somebody else should pay my way because I want it. No respect for what other people have earned for themselves. Even if somebody else got their money by pure luck, that does not mean that you are entitled to any of it. To think otherwise shows that you lack character. Time to learn the good old American Way, bust your butt and earn it yourself. (NT) -- Earn it on your own, 12/05/13 Thu I can see both sides to this. A lot of women especially those new to pageantry believe its acceptable to ask individuals for sponsorship since directors encourage it (quite a bit) when they tell how much it cost to enter the pageant. On almost every website application form right after the fee amount is a blurb about getting family and friends to pay it so for this to stop the directors need to stop saying its the normal way to raise the funds. (NT) -- long time pageant gal, 12/05/13 Thu This is VERY true. That was the first thing I was told when I started doing pageants and I continue to see directors tell contestants that today. I also notice that when listing the contestant's sponsors in the program book, the director doesn't even give the option to list "None" or "Myself". Under the sponsor's section, it ALWAYS says "Family and Friends". (Unless the contestant actually has businesses sponsoring her, of course) (NT) -- So true, 12/09/13 Mon It says Friends and Family but it usually isn't Friends and Family that pay. It is one thing for a young girl 14-26 to ask. It is quite another for a grown woman with a career to ask -- especially since nobody outside of pageantry cares about Mrs. pageants. (NT) -- Asking for money is a big "NO", 12/28/13 Sat I agree, that's why I said the DIRECTORS need to stop telling contestants to use Friends and Family. I don't even believe a 26 year old woman should be asking for friends/family to pay. I didn't dare ask any friends/family to help me pay for pageants even when I first started at 19 years old. I thought it was silly then and think it's silly now. If I needed extra money I actually went to businesses, to get sponsorship. Iike I said in the above post, DIRECTORS need to give the option to list yourself as a sponsor and stop pushing friends and family (NT) -- It starts with the directors., 01/02/14 Thu Amen! I know better after a few pageants but its funny to see how the directors do this. I got a Go Fund Me message earlier this week from someone wanting to compete at a Mrs America prelim. Why on earth would you ask another contestant to sponsor you?? Your kid I get, children can't raise their own entry fees. Some pageants are for charity. But one Mrs contestant to another? How do you even DO that? (NT) -- I was so shocked didn't know how to react to the request. what do you say?, 01/17/14 Fri Seriously? Our Obama society? As if women were not asking for money for pageants prior to Obama becoming POTUS. What is wrong with you people bring politics into every.single.thing!! (NT) -- Whatever, 01/28/14 Tue i kind of agree. Our society is figuring out that you can get a hand out pretty easily any more and dont' care to earn things like they used to. it isn't politics it's the state of affairs we have let happen in the US. (NT) -- not that far fetched, 01/29/14 Wed I do not applaude Mrs. contestants seeking donations on line such as fundme. Saw one on FB who actually posted a video. If you need money to help support your quest for the crown, do it privately. -- tacky at best, 02/04/14 Tue it takes a lot of moxy to ask the public to donate to your hobby. I find ways to do it even if I have to save for a year, sell stuff, make things, but to flat out put your hand out is really awful. -- i wouldn't be able to hold my head up, 02/13/14 Thu

Subject: United Ststes dates

Author:
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Date Posted: 02/11/14 Tue

HERE IS THE 2014 MISS UNITED STATES ORIGANIZATIONS (MUSO) STATE PAGEANT SCHEDULE TO DATE... With Maine & Oklahoma still to schedule this brings us to a total of 36 state pageants... SO FAR!!!
LADIES UNITE... Remember..."You cannot spell United States without US"

January 17-18: North Carolina
January 17-18: South Carolina
February 14-16: Maryland
February 14-16: Delaware
February 20-22: Minnesota
February 20-22: Iowa
February 21-23: Kentucky
March 1-2: Washington
March 1-2: Oregon
March 7-9: Georgia
March 28-30: Florida
March 28-30: New Jersey
March 28-30: New York
March 28-30: Pennsylvania
March 29-30: Massachusetts
April 4-5: Missouri
April 4-5: Kansas
April 4-5: Nebraska
April 4-6: Virginia
April 4-6: Tennessee
April 11-12: Illinois
April 11-12: Indiana
April 12-13: Alabama
April 11-13: Arizona
April 26-27: Texas
April 25-27: Florida (Ms. and Mrs.)
April 27: Hawaii
May 4: Nevada
May 8-9: California
May 17-18: Mississippi
May 24-25: Colorado
May 23-25: West Virginia
May 30-June 1: District of Columbia
May 31: New Mexico
June 6-8: Ohio

IF YOU DO NOT SEE YOUR STATE OR NEED MORE INFORMATION PLEASE VISIT www.missunitedstates.com

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Subject: How high is too high?
Author: not sure I want to wear a 6" heel [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01/21/14 Tue I've been watching a lot of pageants live lately and it seems a lot of contestants are going to the Tippy Top 6 or 7" shoes for swimsuit onstage. Is this now the standard? I have a pair of Alicia Hill nude heels from a pageant resale page that are 4" and I thought that was fine but now that I see all these ladies wearing platform heels, I wonder if this might be too short. But to me they look almost like you have hoofs because of the platform! Has anyone worn these and gotten good comments or had a better experience wearing these super high nude shoes in swimwear? Is it worth the $90 to get a pair or is this just a fad? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The Tippy Tops from Chinese Laundry are the official shoe for Miss USA and Miss Universe. -- ., 01/22/14 Wed I think it depends on you. Can you walk in those shoes? Do they look good on you? Are you so petite that we see the shoes first and then notice you second? -- Look ur best; forget trend, 01/22/14 Wed I would never wear that high. 4" is plenty, and as a judge, I would be distracted by the hoof look, and score down. -- just my 2 cents, 02/08/14 Sat

Subject: Photo Comments
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01/16/14 Thu While view a current titleholder's FB page, I notice that someone commented on a picture that she looked "F*****g Hot" - now, it was spelled out completely and other comments were made after that, even by the queen herself. Do you think that a comment like that should be removed since it was on a public FB page or should it remain? Mind you, this is for a contestant in a Big 3 pageant happening in the summer. Just seemed really odd that the comment was left for all to see, including directors, etc. Just wondering ~ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Sadly, too many dismiss the "F" bomb as just another word in our vocabulary. I am still shocked by how easily the younger ladies just throw it out there like it's no big deal. It's very classless and to use it on FB is in equally poor taste. If it were on my FB, I would be deleting it immediately and letting the person who put it out there to not do it again. But hey, that's just me. -- Personally, I hate that word!, 01/16/14 Thu I've seen things like that and think it's trashy and reflects poorly on the titleholder. But unless she removes it, there isn't much that can be done. -- IMHO, 01/16/14 Thu I have lots of friends holding titles. I don't hold a person liable for what they didn't say. Lots of queens have friends who hold different opinions and they don't always word them in a PC way. . I wouldn't read too much into something like that unless the titleholder said it herself. She may not even know its up! Or maybe really have read closely what they said. Unless it came from the queen's mouth I wouldn't think less of someone for it but I would PM her to kindly let her know her friend isn't making her look good -- She's obviously a FB friend-I'd PM her and share your concerns, 01/17/14 Fri whomever's photo it was must look damn good! -- good for her. WOW, 01/19/14 Sun Poster, no one even saw the photo other than the OP so I don't know why you are even taking it in another direction. I have judged for two of the Big Three and this is not what we want to see when we are doing our research on FB. Sorry, but that is what a good judge does. We do not blame the contestant if a friend posts verbage of this nature but it does have a tendency to make you question the type of friends that they have. Whether you like it or not (and I do not) the world judges you by the company you keep. Tell your friends to keep it clean when posting as it reflects poorly on you. -- JMHO, 01/19/14 Sun I agree! I too have seen foul language by friends and then the queen continues the comments by saying thanks or something else, it just looks bad. -- Not a good idea, 01/19/14 Sun I agree; you are judged by the company you keep. If it is your photo, you can delete the comment. The queen should delete comments that contain bad language. -- easy fix, 01/19/14 Sun About the company you keep... (click in) -- You should hear some of the things I've heard family members say, 01/19/14 Sun I think you are taking things too far and reading in too much. Competitor? -- Much a do about nothing., 01/21/14 Tue Sorry but I don't even want to be around women who enjoy hearing "you're f'ing hot" from random people on their fan page. Sorry but I love my husband and random nasty compliments are not classy. -- IMHO, 01/24/14 Fri

Subject: Posing as Global America
Author: Global America Pageant [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01/23/14 Thu Just wanted to let you all know... the REAL Global America Pageant is celebrating it's 15th anniversary. A person who has recently set up shop in Las Vegas is posing as the Miss Global America Pageant. They are NOT associated with Global America in anyway. Attorney's are working on the problem. The real website is www.globalamericapageant.org / globalamericapageant.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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so when is your pageant .Where is it? -- set it straight, 01/23/14 Thu You need a date and a live event. I will not give you $50 without a date or location. With all of the ripoffs that have occurred in pageantry, you cannot expect people to just trust you. (NT) -- Good luck though, 01/23/14 Thu

Subject: Shared from another board
Author: Would like opinions [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12/16/13 Mon Are there any smaller(cheaper) Ms/Mrs pageants that don't have a ton of women crowned in the same pageant? I would like a pageant that only crowns 2...maybe 3 women at the most. US Continental is one I'm looking into. Can anyone name some others? Thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I was going to help, but as I reviewed them in my head, I came to realize that most of the cheap ones have a ton of divisions. When I thought about the ones that have 2 or 3, they started getting expensive. 2 or 3 winners - Nat'l Mrs, Continental, Galaxy, UA, Petite, BoA, MWI, Achievement, Universal, AOM, many more. Cheap but lots of crowns, All Am, US United, World Elite, Dream, Elegance, Essence, and so on. You have to decide which way to go. Easier win for cheap, or harder win for more. -- your decision, 12/19/13 Thu Thank you for your input (NT) -- O.P., 12/19/13 Thu Ms. Woman United States (40+) and Ms. United States (25-39) (NT) -- Google them or look on FaceBook!, 12/19/13 Thu Do they have a website? I Googled them and didn't find anything. (NT) -- Is there a website other than Facebook?, 12/20/13 Fri missunitedstates.com for the under 40 Ms. (NT) -- ., 12/20/13 Fri Janice McQueen Ward is holding the Ms. Woman United States Pageant and will launch the website after the first ofo the year. (NT) -- Hope it does well!, 12/22/13 Sun Yes, if you go to www.mswomanunitedstates.com now it goes to my Mrs. CA website...NEW National Website up on January 1st with Inaugural Queen and information! Meanwhile contact me thru FB (NT) -- Janice McQueen Ward-Ms. Woman United States, Mrs.CA United States Director, 12/27/13 Fri AOM - America's Outstanding Mom - has only one crowned winner and the entry fee is $895, but there are early bird discounts. The director also just started America's Outstanding Woman for ladies over age 30. Only one crowned winner. Entry fee is $795, but there are early bird specials too! www.americasoutstandingmom.com and www.americasoutstandingwoman.com (NT) -- Competing in Woman this summer!, 12/20/13 Fri I really have a problem with AOM now that swimsuit has been added as an area of competition. The pageant was unique and really stood for outstanding Moms. Now the pageant will be won on stage and not in interview. (NT) -- used to love AOM, now I don't, 12/28/13 Sat totally agree. I dont' think a MOM title warrants a swimsuit. Not even in this day and age, maybe even less. It kind of wrecks the whole wholesome notion of best mom. Maybe best mom in a swimsuit pageant? Sorta like entering US. (NT) -- too bad, 12/30/13 Mon If you have a "problem" with it, go somewhere else. There are lots of pageants out there to fit everyone. But I doubt you will find many without a swimsuit competition. AOM is just trying to become more competitive in the pageant world. And for to say that it "wrecks the wholesomeness notion of best mom", it's NOT the "best mom" award - it's a PAGEANT! And by saying that statement, are you also saying that swimsuit competition "wrecks the sanctity of marriage" in the Mrs. Pageants? Same thing... And many married women ARE moms. (NT) -- Get with the times!! Geez, 12/31/13 Tue then it is no longer an "outstanding Mom" pageant...it has become a non-unique PAGEANT. And, for the record, I've never had an interest in competing. Always thought it was a great pageant to celebrate Moms and admired that aspect. Now to add swimwear in a two piece and say it reprsents Moms is no longer a unique pageant to celebrate them. (NT) -- entitled to my opinion of what I see, 01/01/14 Wed Are you actually saying that you cannot be an "outstanding mom" because you decide to compete in a swimsuit?!?! That's just RIDICULOUS!! and the competition says "swimsuit of your choice - 1 OR 2 piece, mandatory wrap" - it doesn't say 2 piece. That's plenty conservative and respectful! (NT) -- ., 01/01/14 Wed NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING...it's what you wanted to hear. I am stating AOM has been turned into a pageant just like the rest and no longer holds that special spot which was held alone. Celebrating Moms - simply Moms...NOT BEAUTY QUEENS (NT) -- don't mix it up - AOM is now a beauty pageant, 01/01/14 Wed But it always was a pageant. That's nothing new. You must have interpreted incorrectly. (NT) -- ., 01/01/14 Wed i agree with above poster. It was just for MOMs, celebrating motherhood, family, etc, and you have mixed it up with celebrating the bod, just like every other pageant out there. That's all. Not bashing, just observing. (NT) -- too bad, 01/02/14 Thu Why do you say that you never even had an interest in competing? You seem to have a strong opinion about something you were never even interested in? (NT) -- Curious, 01/01/14 Wed oh. you just want to argue. one can follow a pageant, admire it not want to compete. sounds like you need to learn to accept a difference of opinion. (NT) -- defending too hard., 01/03/14 Fri I'm not arguing, I was just curious. (NT) -- -, 01/03/14 Fri Miss American Beauty. Still fairly new system. Some castings, some state pageants, some at large titles. Email me for more info if you are interested (NT) -- Christi, 01/13/14 Mon I don't se what the problem is with multiple queens. A 40 year old shouldn't compete against a 22 year old.Multiple divisions is awesome! I think this post is a Director trying to bash the systems that are getting better numbers because they have more fair divisions. (NT) -- Used to compete in OPEN divisions..., 01/13/14 Mon WRONG, I am NOT a director and have never been a director. Also, nowhere in the post did I say my age (which by the way is early 30's). A multiple division pageant may be good for you since you're 40+, but I have no problem competing against a 22 year old. Your post sounds more like YOU are a director of a multiple pageant and are trying to bash ME for not liking them. Someone can dislike a multiple division pageant without bashing. You are truly reaching. Please stop the madness! (NT) -- O.P., 01/14/14 Tue

Subject: Forced Gender Change from Boys to Girls
Author: Knut Holt [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01/07/14 Tue Forced Conversions of Boys to Girls - An Increasingly Common Occurense Boys are increasingly more often made into girls by medication, stepwise surgeries and psychological interventions without letting the boys understand what happens to them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following information seems unbelievable, but it has been obtained by interviews and conversations with a lot of people going through these ordeals and by comparing their stories to check consistence, so it is by all probability real. Boys are steadily more often changed into girls by a series of interventions. This kind of ordeal seems to occur in all parts of the world, including USA, UK and Canada. The interventions are typically done as a cooperation between three parts that each have specific interests in the process. One part is the parents, or more often a single mother, that has the daily care for the boy. The incentives of the parents seem to be a whish to have a daughter with a slim body shape of the same kind boys often have, an aim of making a female ballet or gymnastic artist out of the boy, and economical compensation they get from the other two parts. Another part is usually certain kind of educational institutions that have the interest of producing girls or women with a fairly small stature, slim body, extremely flexible joints and spine and a juvenile appearance, most typically ballet schools. It seems that boys selected for this form of conversion are given free place at the school. The third part seems to be medical research institutes that use the procedures and the boys to do gender-related psychological and physiological experiments, to test out new pharmacological regimes and test out new surgical methods. These institutes seem to pay the educational institutions and possible the parents to get access to the boys. The boys also seem to be used as training objects for medical students. The conversion is typically hided and done secretly for the boys themselves at the initial phases, by use of sedation or general anesthesia, and by letting the boy think medication they get are vitamin pills, vaccination shots or similar. The conversion that often start at the age of 7-9 is typically done by these means: - Stopping the puberty and some of the growth by hormone blocking medication through shots or oral pills pretended to be vitamin pills. - Making his testicles and penis shrink by hormone blocking medication. - Stopping feelings, erections and other male genital reactions by injecting depots of medication into the prostate, penis, perineum and other genital structures. - Taking away the prostate and building up inner female organs with a series of small surgical interventions through their penis and urethra, through their anus or by needle-like instruments inserted into the lower stomach or scrotum. - The injections and surgical interventions are done under anesthesia. The boys are usually told that they only go through some exam that all children have to go through or some other excuse is produced. - Femininizing medication that works on the body and psychologically. - Feminizing education and clothing regimes. - Feminizing hypnotic interventions. The hypnotic interventions are often done under some degree of sedation. - The psychological interventions also have the aim of making the boy believe that he is gradually changing to girl by himself and to whish to become a girl fully. - At some point castration. - At some point when the boy appear more like a girl than a boy, the final surgery is done, typicalle just before the normal puberty would have started, but sometimes later. It is unclear if this kind of conversion will produce fully productive female sexual organs. Most doctors will say this is impossible. It seems however that the most advanced experiments done on these boys have this aim, since the former boys are able to menstruate when the conversion is done. The interventions are typically done at special clinics or at special sections in a ballet school or other educational institutions. The day-school that the boy attend is usually also informed about he process and may participate. Many of these boys also attend special private day-schools that are more involved than ordinary public schools. Since these ordeals typically begin whitout the knowledge and the concent of the boy, and since the long term medical outcome of such transformatins are uncertain, one may ask if these ordeals are to be regarded as a kind of child abuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Knut Holt is an internet consultant and marketer focusing on health items. 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Subject: When competing, what prizes do you actually care about?
Author: ? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11/14/13 Thu Besides the sash and crown, what prizes draw you in and make you want to win that title? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What I need is a director who produces a great show, runs an up to date website, and keeps in touch a few times throughout the year. The crown and sash need to be good quality to withstand a year of appearances. The director needs to be reliable. If someone calls her to become a contestant or to request an appearance, she needs to answer within 48 hours. I could care less about prizes. I enjoy doing appearances and expect a nice farewell opportunity in the show when I am done with my year. -- My real wants, 11/14/13 Thu Good answer. Since we know we aren't getting prizes, all we ask is an amazing crown, great marketing, lots of exposure, up to date website with appearances I've slaved getting, and a director who tells you the truth. Please don't tell me prizes are coming, or in the mail, or they were lost in transit. Don't advertise cash & then tell me you don't have it now. Don't ask me to come back to crown when I haven't gotten a single promised prize & then bash me if not. Keep your word. Be straight. Don't hide. I work hard for you. How about showing respect? -- had to get that off my chest, 11/17/13 Sun Good reputable WARDROBE sponsors for the next level. I live on a small budget and need the assistance to pull it together. Fitness sponsor is good too -- ., 11/14/13 Thu I have to agree on a wardrobe sponsor but an AD page sponsor is almost nice. I'd rather have those things taken care of for the national level. -- Hotel/travel to nationals too, 11/16/13 Sat Agreed, hotel/airfare/ad page. Also, the website for the pageant kept up to date the entire year. -- that's all folks!, 11/17/13 Sun Real PR support, cash, and a title that doesn't change in the middle of my reign. But most of all, an honest director with integrity. -- All other things are secondary IMHO, 11/19/13 Tue I have had a great director and a crappy director, you never know til after you are crowned. It's hard to figure out ahead if time, I literally had a director that changed her tune after the contract was signed and this was after my 3rd attempt at a title so I thought I knew her. -- FYI, 11/19/13 Tue I would like a director or staff that actually book GOOD appearances and not ones that are just photo ops with other ladies etc. Yes I know that I need to network and land appearances too, but really, why be a director if you aren't helping your queen. -- IMHO, 11/19/13 Tue at least you had someone to BOOK you. I had to do every one of my own. It's not Miss America in the adult world. As they say on the kid's toy commercials, "you do it yourself!" -- if I do appearances, at least show them off, 11/20/13 Wed Go to American Dream they rock. director cares and the show amazing. dont take my word for it see for yourself! -- past queen, 01/08/14 Wed something cheesy about it, though, sorry. Wish it were higher caliber. -- keep trying, 01/09/14 Thu Re: Just because you didn't win doesn't make it cheesey. Your opinion is one thing but trying to put down a system because the judges didn't pick you is silly. -- American Dream is AAAAAAAmazing, 01/09/14 Thu Usually I don't care - there to represent the title and win it...but, if I could choose prizes on the state leel it would be airfare, ad page, hotel and gown for Nationals. On the National level, a budget to make appearances. -- not too much to ask right? :), 01/09/14 Thu

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