I apologise mod, that I've posted so much on here tonight, but I've got a real bee in my bonnet about this... -- For the love of the dance

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Date Posted: Fri, Sep 21 2007, 23:09:32
Author: me again
Subject: I apologise mod, that I've posted so much on here tonight, but I've got a real bee in my bonnet about this...

I've just taken this quote from a previous post by IrishDaz:

"It is not a federation of child molesters, even if it was originally set up by one. There will almostr certainly be paedophiles involved in every federation. If you were told that senior regional council members, or CLRG members were child molesters would you be calling for CLRG posts to be removed from the board? I doubt it very much as you would be saying it's not the federations fault. I am not defending my own freedom of speech as you seem to suggest, but rather the right of the organisation (I stress NOT the man) to advertise"

I realise I've been quite harsh on you this evening Irishdaz, I hope this comes across as me feeling very strongly about the important issue of child protection and not a personal gripe - it is certainly not the latter. However, I must ask you to clarify the above post. If there were members of CLRG who were convicted child molesters and were allowed to continue working for the organisation - I certainly would leave the organisation, and I would certainly suggest it wasn't promoted on websites. Surely, we would all expect that the organisation would ask those members to leave?? Which is why I have an issue with you or other websites promoting WIDA as an organisation. Is the organisation not stating, by working along side this man, that they are happy for paedophiles to work within their team?

I do not tar all the teachers of this organisation with the same brush. But I do question their lack of action on this matter. I am a member of CLRG - and if another member was a convicted paedophile - I would push for that person to be out of the organisation. I would not be associated with an organisation that tolerated such members. So why are these teachers happy to be associated with an organisation that allows anyone to teach for them? Child protection is paramount. When you sit a TCRG exam you are police checked.

What are the legal requirements for teachers involved with WIDA? That they are open and honest about their past?!
There are certain standards that parents expect. If any tom dick or harry is allowed to teach their child - because the organisation doesn't have standards - they need to be informed. IF the organisation doesn't run a police check, it needs to be closed and certainly should not be advertised.

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[> and what is the point in running a police check if the organisation is run by a convicted child molester?! -- meee, Fri, Sep 21 2007, 23:11:44 [1]

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[> It all depends which country you are in as to whether a police check is required. As previously stated some European countries don't have a paedophile register and therefore do not require police checks. It's not the organisation it's the country they live in and that is probably why that country was chosen by the founder!!! I think we should be concerned about the shenanigans of some of the CLRG TC's too. Have heard many things this year about certain people that would make your hair curl and yet they are still allowed to remain in the organisation.... why??? is the burning question. -- mum, Sat, Sep 22 2007, 1:43:30 [1]

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[> There are WIDA schools based in the UK though, where a CRB check is compulsory for anybody working with children. Is the organisation supporting this law? -- me, Sat, Sep 22 2007, 13:16:46 [1]

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[> [> crb checks are not compulsery for working with children -- crb uk, Sun, Sep 30 2007, 19:46:48 [1]

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[> [> Hmmm -- Mainland Europe dancer, Sat, Dec 29 2007, 22:26:28 [1]

"I think we should be concerned about the shenanigans of some of the CLRG TC's too. Have heard many things this year about certain people that would make your hair curl and yet they are still allowed to remain in the organisation.... why??? is the burning question"

while I agree about the shenanigans of TCRGs, I really DO think there's a substantial difference between weird actions and child molestation!

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[> But surely that's the difference between rumours and convicted crimes? CLRG can't throw everyone out every time they hear a rumour - but they would and should remove a convicted child molester -- me, Sat, Sep 22 2007, 14:28:57 [1]

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[> [> Rumour and gossip usually have their foundation in 'fact' and they may not be such things which would warrant being convicted of a crime, but some of the thing witnessed this year certainly goes against the laws of common decency. Get these immoral people out of ID and quickly. -- disgusted mum, Sat, Sep 22 2007, 15:17:22 [1]

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[> There is no Garda check when you sit your TC exam, in fact Parish checks have only just been brought in. The Gardi have only just started checking teachers and community workers with children, when I last spoke to them about getting myself a certificate I was going to have to wait for 18 months to two years for the info as there is such a back log at the moment. -- the law is not the same everywhere, Sat, Sep 22 2007, 17:37:56 [1]

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[> remember crb (criminal record bureau) checks only record those who have been caught and have a criminal record. -- .., Sat, Sep 22 2007, 21:12:07 [1]

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[> Come On! "Rumour and gossip usually have their foundation in fact"??????? Rumour and Gossip can be very damaging to an individual and it only takes one vicious person to start circulating complete rubbish. I never believe anything I hear unless the facts are clearly there for all to see. -- .., Sat, Sep 22 2007, 22:02:34 [1]

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[> [> I did say their 'foundation' It has to come from somewhere and it's usually once the 'gossipers' get hold of a snippet of info that it turns nasty. There's usually a fire to go with the smoke and there's usually someone who'll blow things out of proportion and add fuel to that fire! -- mum, Sat, Sep 22 2007, 22:47:28 [1]

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[> Gossip is gossip pure and simple. How can you KNOW the gossip you are hearing has it's foundation in fact? How does anyone know where and who it has come from? How can we differentiate between fact and nasty fiction? We can't, not when it being passed on from person to person. So think of that when you see people eagerly leaning in to each other devouring the next piece of juicy "fact" they hear. -- Large pinch of salt please!, Sun, Sep 23 2007, 10:59:39 [1]

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[> [> Its not gossip its fact, get your head out of the sand, he is a convicted pedophile -- cb, Sun, Sep 30 2007, 20:43:00 [1]

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[> Enough about this already. If you want your child to dance with WIDA then let them - if you don't want your child to dance with WIDA then don't let them. Did you see the "your" in there. -- give us all a break, Mon, Oct 01 2007, 4:11:40 [1]

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[> My head is NOT in the sand - the person has been convicted, yes. But if you had read my post properly, you would have understood that my comment was in response to an opinion posted, that gossip (in general) has its foundation in fact. If you feel the need to be rude, at least make sure you are correct in doing so first. -- !, Mon, Oct 01 2007, 19:34:50 [1]

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