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• As requested by several people I have removed a post regarding exams being held by the WIDA, as it appears the head of this organisation was convicted in the USA of child abuse. I wanted the post to stay initially as I know there have been people who had considered this organisation and untill they saw the information posted on here did not know of the history of the head of WIDA. Inside are all the replies that were recieved at the time. -- MOD, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 19:37:30 [47]
  You have got to be kidding, was only a matter of time before this "Sean" started creeping around the message board (NT) -- beware, Tue, Sep 11 2007, 18:01:24
  
  Don't whatever you do let your children get involved in this organisation. (NT) -- ~~~, Wed, Sep 12 2007, 11:21:12
  why whats the matter with them? (NT) -- curious, Wed, Sep 12 2007, 18:27:5
  
  why whats the matter with them? (NT) -- curious, Wed, Sep 12 2007, 18:27:51
  
  Google Sean Gavan (NT) -- parent, Thu, Sep 13 2007, 13:55:35
  
  sean gavan -- concerned parent, Fri, Sep 14 2007, 21:47:35
  „X if this is the same person who I have just read about on google then please moderator you must remove the all links s (NT) -- concerned parent, Fri, Sep 14 2007,
  
  Mod, although this person has an unsavoury history you should not remove this post which is reasonable. He has also contacted me and was very open & honest about the situation. He says that everyone (dancers & TC) at WIDA is aware and quite rightly that his history should not stop dancers from having access to this fast growing federation, which is not about him but Irish dance. (NT) -- Irishdaz, Sat, Sep 15 2007, 9:59:09
  
  Then he should also add this bit of information when posting ads like this one. I agree that people should be able to choose whether they want to follow him or not but to do so they need a full picture first. He should post his bio on his website for candidates to decide whether they find it acceptable or not. (NT) -- he's not being honest in the ad, Sat, Sep 15 2007,
  
  it's probably a bit much to ask for him to reveal all in his bio, I doubt any other TC reveals anything baed about themselves either. However, he doesn't try to hide or deny his history, which is easily found if looked for. he is trying to make a fresh start (NT) -- give him a chance, Sat, Sep 15 2007,
  
  He is not just any TC, he is the head of the organization which is very clearly one man's show. And his name and role in the org are never stated on the website as well as in the ads so no it's not easy to google him unless somebody tells you to be careful. I am all for fresh starts and second chances and I see where you are coming from but the man is not honest at all. I was aplso approached by email to join but his actual name was never mentioned and I wouldn't learn it if I hadn't already otherwise. (NT) -- he's still hiding, Sat, Sep 15 2007,
  
  And I'm not expecting him to confess about the nature of the crime at every fies of his but merely to sign his ads and posts and to post his bio like "the head of WIDA is [insert name], former CLRG ADCRG from [insert location]". Only then people can actully check any anything. If he doesn't do that he is still hiding (NT) -- I am afraid., Sat, Sep 15 2007, 20:36:31
  
  surley the protection of all children is the priority here, This man was convicted of a hideous crime against a child and then deported and some people are suggesting that he is given another chance if this is the type of things you are putting on this site without warning, I will make sure that my child never goes on here again, also surely with this conviction he would not be allowed to work with children?? Irishdaz says he has spoken to him and finds this acceptable and suggests that the link should not be removed has the world gone mad? (NT) -- concerned parent, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 11:53:30
  
  Good God it is difficult enough to protect our children from the internet please get it removed (NT) -- ., Sun, Sep 16 2007, 12:57:03
  
  You misunderstand my motives. He is the president of this group, and as such is highly unlikely to ever come into contact with your children. My point was that it is therefore not unreasonable that the federation be allowed to advertise its existence, which is about Irish dance rather than him. his email to me was honest enough to admit his past, but reasonably requests that we don't punish the TC's and dancers of WIDA because of it. On that basis I don't believe that the Mod should delete the original post (NT) -- Irishdaz, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 13:17:28
  
  Irishdaz - You risk your otherwise impeccable judgement on this issue -- scots mum (sean gavan), Sun, Sep 16 2007, 15:56:23
  
  Irishdaz, the man is an active teacher in his org, he is teaching children and teenagers and running competitions for children too. If he told you otherwise he lied to you. People have the right to warn one another against him (I was warned myself and I'm grateful). If somebody wants to join him despite the warning it is their free choice but the issue is too important to let people fall for his promises uninformed. (NT) -- don't defend him, not worth it, Sun, Sep 16 2007,
  
  The post will remain as it provided information which I certainly wasn't aware of. I am grateful to those who have provided info, and give people the chance to make an informed decision. (NT) -- mod, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 13:59:38
  
  what do you mean an informed decision the whole world is trying to prevent this sort of thing on the internet. It is not a matter of opinion the man was found guilty in a US court of law of molesting a boy in his school and here you are advertising his dancing examinations for him, how the hell do you explain this. it is not gossip about this man it is the truth get this link removed or I am going to the Irish Dancing Commision and may even take legal advice to make sure that his involement with Irish Dancing is legal. I can't believe Irishdaz and the Moderator are happy with this on the site. (NT) -- concerned parent, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 16:45:52
  
  You say he has no involvement with my child, to right he wont. But what about the children in this organisation, I note he is running a Feis,(or will this be a Feis for adults only) he is not just heading up an organisation. (NT) -- ., Sun, Sep 16 2007, 17:03:37
  
  Irishdaz, you are very wrong, he is teaching workshops and classes all the time including classes for children, look at the photo of him embracing a little girl he taught in Europe, and it's a recent photo 2006! (link inside) -- you're wrong, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 17:46:11
  

  
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  • thank you Mod for removing this site shame that we had to go through all this to get it removed (NT) -- concerned parent, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 19:49:52
  • I would say to the posted of the third msg from the bottom, I find you're attitude both rude and disgusting as you demanded the link be removed and you do not get to make demands here, and what is much worse that you 'threaten' to go to the IDC to check if the person is legally allowed to be involved with ID, if you really care you would take this action as a matter of coarse instead of as a threat against me, because as I didn't even know this organisation existed I don't mind what action you take. But in future if you have a problem with a post on here, then put your request forward with manners, as serveral people did via email and I will be happy to deal with it fairly. (NT) -- MOD, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 19:50:06
  • in reply to your reply to if you listened in the first place I would not have got so angry also the threat with the law and the Irish dancing commision was not going to be against you it would have been to against Sean Gavan to see if he was legally allowed to have any career involving children dont take it personally (NT) -- concerned parent, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 19:56:16
  • As another poster pointed out, there is no indication on the web site of the past history of this man, and because of the nature of the offence this is a glaring ommission. I know of one person who found the site and was considering joining, till they saw msgs on here. My error may have been in not giving the full explaination at first, but further promotions of this organisation will be removed, unless this person is ever exonerated from what is an inexcusable crime. (NT) -- MOD, Sun, Sep 16 2007, 20:14:22
  • How awful! I've seen those posts on other boards. I hate to think of parents sending their kids to workshops with him... (NT) -- creeped out, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 5:00:05
    • Mod the IDC would have no jurisdiction, as he has left AC to create his own federation, outside of them. Whilst peoples reaction to his crime is understandable this does seem like a concerted attack against one man, who has not denied his conviction. I know of at least two similar cases within AC where there has not been such an outcry against the persons involved, and much closer to home. I do believe what SG has done should be public knowledge, and he doesn't deny it, but that it should not mean that his federation, nor the other small federations that have affiliated, should be banished. Note these other federations are fully aware of his past, and have confirmed as such to me previously. (NT) -- Irishdaz, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 9:23:11
      • Are you saying two teachers from AC have been convicted in a court of law and are still teaching with AC (NT) -- ,, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 9:34:32
      • Irishdaz I've always respected you but you are so wrong here. What orchestrated attack? It's just parents or dancers who, quite understandably, warn each other against a child molester who, despite what you say, does not inform potential teachers or feis attenders about his conviction. At what stage during the recruitation process does he tell his teachers "Umh, there's something you need to know about me first"? CLRG for once acted well expelling him. If there are other teachers who were convicted and expelled people should be able to warn one another against them too but somehow I doubt those other teachers went ahead with creating new dance orgs, if they exist they probably crawled back where they came from. (NT) -- he's a shame, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 12:17:33
        • I mean that you are attacking the whole organisation to get at the man. And yes he has set this up himself, because he loves Irish dance. My understanding is that his old school used to think he was a wonderful TCRG and actually raised $50,000 to fund his defence, so maybe he does have something to offer the world of dance. However I totally agree that we should protect our children, and I don't see anything wrong in anyone suggesting that parents Google his history before deciding to join an affiliated school. That is not the same as trying to get anything to do with WIDA banned from the voy forums. You are punishing the innocent parties, to get at the guilty if you do that. Unless you believe the TCRG at WIDA are all tarred with the same brush? (NT) -- Irishdaz, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 20:08:23
          • No Irishdaz, you are wrong. I am not punishing this organization, I am not demanding it to be closed. If adult dancers or parents are ready to follow him KNOWING his background it is their prerogative and they are free to do so. The problem is that he is looking for supporters who have no idea who they are dealing with as he does not sign his name anywhere and even though he is in fact the head of the org and the highest authority his name is not officially published. There is no way an interested parent can get to know that he is a person to be careful with and need looking up googling or checking. You sign up your child for a comp and - hello - here is the convicted criminal sharing the backstage and posing for photos with them. I am surprised how easily you forget that any org should put the safety of the children first while you put his safety first. (NT) -- I'm surprised by your attitude, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 21:57:04
          • You of all people Irishdaz should not refer to anyone in WIDA as a TCRG because they are not, TOTALLY different from An Coimisiun, AC does not allow pedophiles to run anything that is why he had to start up WIDA, nothing wrong with WIDA, just the man himself (NT) -- x, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 0:44:52
            • the organisation calls them TCRG and I use the term to mean dance teacher as most people understand it as such. I am not defending him as a paedophile, and would be very cautious of my own children being around him. The point is that anyone that you trust could be a paedophile, at least we know for sure with him, and can take the necessary precautions, which include not joining WIDA if you don't want. It is right that people warn others about his personal history, so they can make an informed choice. It is wrong to want any rreference to the organisation banned from the forum, as most of the people involved are not connected to his crimes, and may not event have an option to join AC for whatever reason. Please understand I do not support him as an individual nor do I condone his past in any way, in fact I condemn such behaviour 100% (NT) -- Irishdaz, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 9:19:57
              • FYI, TCRG is not just any Irish dance teacher, it's the teacher of Coimisiun or Comhdhail Rince Gaelacha (as the abbreviation shows). Other orgs have other names, for example ODCRN in CRN. WIDA teacher should be TWIDA or whatever. He is blatantly copying the name to ape the org he was expelled from and probably to mislead people who have heard of TCRGs but are not aware of the technical details, different orgs etc. (NT) -- not good intentions, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 11:16:43
              • You don't get it Irishdaz - you say "at least we know for sure with him, and can take the necessary precautions, which include not joining WIDA if you don't want", the problem is people do NOT know until they join. Not everybody reads message boards and topics on him are usually quickly deleted. I received his e-mail inviting to join and (just as this ad here) there was not a word not even about his conviction but about his identity. If I got interested and decided to travel to the workshops and join the org (as a teacher) when do you think he would tell me? When I already had significant expenses and got involved? If not the boards I would never know because to google him you have to know his name and he's hiding it. I'd say that all the ads and info he posts which does not give his name should be banned. If he DOES give his name it's "buyer's risk" (I'm talking about adult teacher candidates here). (NT) -- do you get my drift?, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 12:21:29
      • He did not "leave" AC he was kicked out there is a difference. Irishdaz, so it would be okay if the school principal was a child molester, WIDA was created because he could no longer teach anywhere else so what does that tell you? (NT) -- takeyourheadoutofthesand, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 16:36:56
  • Irish Daz are the other people you are talking about still involved with Irish Dancing (or any other association involving children) if they have criminal convictions please this should be reported. Child abusers never change its a proven fact. I do not have a problem with anyone starting up a federation but not one that this ran by a paedophile. I have contact the police who are making an investigation what he is doing cannot be legal (NT) -- concerned parent, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 17:29:22
    • The persons involved were not convicted as far as I am aware as nobody was prepared to press charges. However, anyone who was at the first Glasgow Worlds might recall one of them being arrested. As far as I am aware they are no longer part of An coimisiun, but may have joined An Comhdhail, WIDA or any other of the federations (NT) -- can never be sure, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 20:13:47
  • Irishdaz I really don't know where you are coming from are you saying that because he loves irish dancing he should still be allowed to teach children I don't understand why u are trying to defend him? we are not gossiping here it is the trurth he is a convicted child sex offender (NT) -- parent, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 20:23:54
    • I am not defending him. He is a rightly convicted offender. I am defending the organisation which consists of more than just him. (NT) -- Irishdaz, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 21:10:06
  • You are still not making sense - I do not understand why anyone would want to be part of an organisation ran by a peadophile. (NT) -- parent, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 21:26:10
  • Statement by a WIDA parent -- WIDA parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 4:15:14
    • Thank you WIDA parent for your informative post. Could you please elaborate on when exactly are parents usually told about the issue and how (when they join a calss, go to the first feis, are to meet SG himself)? I'm not attacking you by any means, I'm asking out of curiosity, I'd really want to know how it's dealt with. (NT) -- thank you, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 11:19:39
      • I too have checked the website for any reference to him being the head of WIDA and could not find his name mentioned ANYWHERE which is why this is all cloak and dagger, if he is that far out there letting people know his past then why would his name not be associated with WIDA on the website, so all is not as it appears to be. Its hypocrisy, either you put your name on and take ownership of the organization or you dont, you cant just lurk about it the background and hope to suck people in that way (NT) -- deception!, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 16:34:54
        • I can not talk about all parents. All I know is that when I signed my child up with her TC, the teacher told me all about Irish dance organisations and how many different orgs there were which were all fine. Then he said when WIDA was founded and talked about Mr Gavens past. My teacher said that when he went to join the org, Mr Gavan told him about his conviction upfront, so he -- WIDA parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 18:34:49
  • I expect the boy who he abused felt the same as you at one point. What I intend to find out is is he on a sex offenders regisister and should he be allowed to teach children even the 10% you talk about. I have also looked at your website and there is no mention of him being affilated at all. All the other teachers are listed but not him and you say that he teaches and runs workshops - why not?? (NT) -- parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 8:56:12
    • His school is in fact listed, under "Netherlands". (NT) -- on the website, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 17:17:05
  • ok he's not alone with children, but he sees them in a different way to other adults he should not be allowed to watch them dance, and i assume making profit from the organisation.people who download things is illegal and people who do this don't necessarily physically offend but the desire is there. (NT) -- very dodgy area, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 16:43:23
  • Irishdaz you have the WIDA advertised on your own website do you not think that you should now remove the details as all this has come to light as the mod of this board has, I understand that it may affect the others in the Federation but we do have confirmation that he is head of the organisation? (NT) -- parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 17:56:26
    • No I don't. The organisation is not Sean Gavan. I have been fully aware of his personal history since it happened. I do not support him as an individual, but I do support the other teachers and dancers of WIDA and any other Irish dance organisation. I do not promote any one over any other. WIDA have the right to exist just as any other federation. The fact that you and I do not like paedophiles llike Mr Gavan does not change that. to Someone once said " I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" I believe in Freedom of speech and do not accept that censorship is the right way forwards. I do not like what the man is, vbut that has nothing to do with the other people who make up WIDA. The governing bodies of the other organisations that have affiliated themselves with WIDA have obviously taken a similar view as they also knew Mr Gavan's history beforehand (NT) -- Irishdaz, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 20:09:41
      • you are correct you have the freedom of speech Irishdaz but you shouldnt have the right to advertise a children molesters federation anyway we can't do a lot about your site thank god the mod here is more sensible, if Sean Gavan was not president of the federation the WIDA would not be an issue (NT) -- parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 21:36:55
        • you say "if Sean Gavan was not president of the federation the WIDA would not be an issue". That is my point. It is not a federation of child molesters, even if it was originally set up by one. There will almostr certainly be paedophiles involved in every federation. If you were told that senior regional council members, or CLRG members were child molesters would you be calling for CLRG posts to be removed from the board? I doubt it very much as you would be saying it's not the federations fault. I am not defending my own freedom of speech as you seem to suggest, but rather the right of the organisation (I stress NOT the man) to advertise (NT) -- Irishdaz, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 9:15:52
          • It's not only "originally set up by a paedophile", he is still running it, making rules, is present at the comps. If a convict was the HEAD and FOUNDER of CLRG, yes I would ignore the org as long as he is in charge. But it's not, and CLRG kicked him out. Do not let your experience with CLRG cloud your judgement, it's not them who are the bad guys here, it's WIDA who keeps him in charge. If you commit a crime, your life changes no matter how talented you are. You can be a master painter but if you kill somebody, you can only paint in jail. You can be a gifted dance teacher, but if you molest a child you can no longer be among children and your privacy is gone. You should have thought about it before the deed not ignore the consequences. At WIDA open platform comps there are young dancers from other orgs who have a convict sitting right next to them in the audience or shaking their hands. Say what you want, this is not right. As long as he is in charge yes it is his org's fault (NT) -- they should get rid of him to come clear, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 11:00:53
            • you are so wrong Irishdaz at the end of the day you are defending and advertising a organisation ran by a child molester however you put it that is a fact, you should for the sake of all children stop advertising the website until this man is gone from the organisation I know you wont change your mind but you are putting children at risk by helping this person, I have shown some people where I work these discussions (that are nothing to do with Irish Dancing) and they cannot believe that anyone would associate themselves with such a person in any way, they were horrified and I must admit it is an real eye opener for me. (NT) -- parent, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 20:11:40
  • I have just found Sean Gavan listed under Scoil Rince Celtus School location Venlo, Duisburg, Dortmund and Dusseldorf but he is not listed as the main person at WIDA I am passing this information onto the police to make sure what he is doing is legal (NT) -- concerned parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 18:04:52
  • thank you for this information I can see that you are very happy with your teacher and your school, however the fact that Mr Gavan is head of the organisation does make me concerned that children are at risk, god forbid anything like this happening again but can anyone be 100% sure (NT) -- parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 19:13:15
    • 100% sure? You can never be 100% sure with anything. As happened with my other kid. My son was physically (not sexually) harrassed by his football coach. And does that person still teach kids, yes he does. Even though he got a conviction. Its NEVER 100% safe. You can only ever see peoples faces, never their thoughts. Are YOU 100% sure about YOUR kids TC? Heard ANY rumours about anyone. I bet you did. And do they still teach, yes, they do. So I have to say, at least its out in the open and not hushed up, as with many others. (NT) -- WIDA parent, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 4:21:49
      • I agree that there are creeps everywhere so hopefully they will be exposed, convicted and banned from teaching but at least you can avoid supporting known criminals with your devotion, time and money. But that's not the issue as I've said before if it's your informed choice and you are happy with it I wish you all the best (honestly) with your dancing. Still, personally I am ingnoring this org as long as long as the identity of the man is secret and you only learn when you join or you do not learn at all (NT) -- good luck, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 11:17:30
        • you are not making sense, this guy is a CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER heading an organisation that includes children of all ages. We have aleady heard that he is actively involved with teaching children and present at competitions, classes,workshops etc. And yes if the head of our organisation was convicted of this type of crime I would expect them to be expelled or I would leave without question. We all hope and pray that all child sex offenders are caught and convicted and never allowed to work with children again. We are not saying that the WIDA should be banned or banished only the person who is in charge which is Mr Gavan , he should resign (NT) -- parent, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 17:22:15
          • He was deported for violating probation orders not to be around children, so now .... he goes to another country and its OK for him to be around children, situation is the same, location has changed thats all. He gets kicked out of Au Coimisiun so its unacceptable for him to teach anywhere under that organization, goes to a different country and starts one up yet does not have his name associated with it for years. I dont understand why WIDA would allow a person like that to be in charge, literally financing a pedophile with class fee's etc, it might be hard to find someone with his Irish Dance exp but I think I would rather dance for the devil hisself than associate with this charachter (NT) -- notknockingWIDA, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 18:26:36
            • Re: Sean Gavan -- old timer, Sun, Sep 23 2007, 9:12:35
              • Once a pedophile always a pedophile. They do not change. I don't give a fig about his talent, creativity, and hard work. (NT) -- ., Mon, Sep 24 2007, 1:52:45
  • sounds like SG posting there! (NT) -- !, Sun, Sep 23 2007, 10:51:18
    • it may sound like Sean, but i'm a supporter and friend. If you don't want your child involved in learning Irish dance from the WIDA -- c, Mon, Sep 24 2007, 8:31:13
  • How many of you who are slandering this person and hurling abuse at the moderator had *anything* to do with this person the first time around? My bet would be none of you. You have all jumped ont he irish dancing hearsay and gossip bandwagon. If you don't want to join WIDA, then don't! But some people aren't as judgemental as you. (NT) -- Keep your pitchforks to yourselves, Mon, Sep 24 2007, 9:43:48
  • True. I didn't. Although I am not one of the posters "hurling abuse". The fact is though, that this man has been convicted and parents are quite rightly up in arms about him having any access to children. I know he was convicted and deported - not to be taken lightly. I know the person involved was in his teens. However I do not KNOW the circumstances surrounding the incident or indeed the true motives of either party and for that reason I am out of this debate. Who can ever be truly sure? We must just do our best as parents to make our own decisions and trust our instinct. (NT) -- .., Mon, Sep 24 2007, 10:52:14
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• I heard that Sharon Taylor's dance school closing. Is it true and if so does anyone know why? -- Curious, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 14:22:46 [54]
  
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  • True .... (NT) -- Taylor Parent, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 14:41:29
    • Why is the school closing? (NT) -- Curious, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 17:03:00
  • wot are the 23 qualifyers going to do now - ave they joined other schools and will they still be able to dance at the Worlds? (NT) -- interested ! ! !, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 15:04:05
    • Qualifers World - Taylor Academy -- Scottish Qualifying Observer, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 17:32:14
  • world enties to be in by 15th jan so must be in new school and entered by then (NT) -- difficult to find someone to take them at such short notice., Tue, Jan 09 2007, 15:22:29
    • Would they not make an exemption for them under the circumstances? (NT) -- Bridie, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 16:29:04
  • It was my understanding that you have to dance at the worlds with the teacher you qualified with! (NT) -- would seem a little unfair to penalise these children!, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 16:29:06
    • The Worlds rules clearly state that you can only compete for the school that you qualified with. Its Rule 5 on Page 16 ofthe worlds syllabus (see www.irish-dancer.co.uk for a copy) (NT) -- wonder if CLRG will budge?, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 20:28:24
      • Surely there HAS to be an exception in these kind of cases? I thought the rule was for those who are medal holders, move schools and then try to take up their place at the next Worlds when dancing for the new school NOT for cases like this. (NT) -- Mum, Tue, Jan 09 2007, 23:58:07
  • These two sites also mention this and seems to have a little info with regards rules for the dancers involved, dont know how correct info is though. http://www.voy.com/206521/ and http://www.voy.com/60473/ (NT) -- Bridie, Wed, Jan 10 2007, 0:12:45
  • good luck 2 dhannon and jodie i love ur dancin (NT) -- hope 2 hear who all the dancers go 2 how sad 4 them, Wed, Jan 10 2007, 15:31:47
  • 3 months before worlds (NT) -- no way!!!!!!, Wed, Jan 10 2007, 19:03:10
  • such a shame for these dancers, love jodie!! (NT) -- x, Wed, Jan 10 2007, 21:37:27
  • have heard that some Taylor dancers are moving to Comdhail (NT) -- Shocked, Wed, Jan 10 2007, 21:59:44
    • Taylor to Comdhail -- old_dancemum, Fri, Jan 12 2007, 23:50:33
      • Taylor to Comdhail -- old_dancemum, Fri, Jan 12 2007, 23:56:17
  • only the Campbell girls have moved which will be a great loss! (NT) -- others now at McCutcheons new school or Caroline Greene, Thu, Jan 25 2007, 13:22:37
    • which school did they go to on an comhdhail? -- believe some went to the boyle school as well, Wed, Jan 31 2007, 15:31:14
      • Yeh - I heard a few went to Boyle school too. (NT) -- mum, Wed, Jan 31 2007, 19:41:57
        • a few went to peter thomson school (NT) -- tkat, Thu, Feb 01 2007, 7:49:08
          • brilliant school -- interested, Sat, Feb 03 2007, 13:09:39
            • second that (NT) -- .., Wed, Jul 01 2009, 15:17:12
        • some of those that went to Boyle have now moved again to McCutcheon, which means a 6 month ban. However it seems that the rules might be bent forthem as TC is a senior member of AC (NT) -- is that fair?, Thu, Feb 08 2007, 12:19:10
          • meant to say they are medal holders and looking to dance at the Worlds, which is against the rules after a transfer. I'm sure Boyle school might argue against this! (NT) -- could be fallout, Thu, Feb 08 2007, 12:21:12
            • For goodness sake, stop all this nonsence (NT) -- 1 with sence, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 19:11:20
              • why is it nonsense. It is a simple discussion about the application of the CLRG rules, which ppenalise dancers who have no control over their situation. It is nor an attack on the dancers involved, who I think we all support and hope they get to the Worlds. (NT) -- and it is senSe by the way, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 19:45:08
                • Some dancers who are now dancing for James McCutcheon did attend (and dance in) at least one Boyle class and were asked not to come back by the Boyle T.C. If the ban is waived this may be of interest to Irish Daz having been told that the ban stood even when the decision to leave the class was made for them. The validity of the six month ban rule in question again? (NT) -- An interesting situation, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 19:52:45
                  • I'm following this with interest! ;o) (NT) -- Irishdaz, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 11:23:45
                  • I know a family who moved to Ireland from US and attended a dance school for a few weeks under the idea that it was a trial. Then they went to another school and there was no mention of a 6 month transfer period. How did the teacher that they left not report this. Don't know if the teacher that they joined knew that they had been to other school. They danced at their regionals! (NT) -- All should have to play by the rules, Thu, Feb 22 2007, 16:10:50
            • It shouldn't be up to the Boyle school to argue this. Rules are rules and they are there to be applied equally to all people. CLRG should be upholding the rules that they make. IF these dancers were asked not to come back to the Boyle school, it must have been for a very good reason as TC is very fair and this school has a great reputation. Boyle TC wouldn't do this on a whim! (NT) -- mum, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 22:38:17
              • I agree. This decision would not have been taken lightly and I'm sure it was totally justified. It will be intersting to see how CLRG deal with this though as the dancers are now being taught by a member of the regional council and are presumably preparing for the worlds. If they are allowed to dance this will surely have implications for other dancers who were asked to leave by a teacher and whose ban was upheld. (NT) -- Are CLRG only applying the rules when it suits them?, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 22:57:26
              • Boyle School are not arguing anything!! They are more concerned with promoting Irish Dancing and preparing ther dancers for the All Irelands and Worlds (NT) -- .., Mon, Feb 19 2007, 11:39:32
  • Agree with post from Personal Friend on this. The only relevent issue here is how the rules are now applied in another case of TC requesting a pupil leave. In this situation it is of no use or business to anyone else the reasons behind the request, but whether the rules will still be followed so strictly as they appeared to be in Miss Amos's case. It would be appreciated that no-one further speculates on reasons behind this, as I do not want to read personal attacks on the girls involved (who have been through enough already) nor on theTC, as from reading various and previous postings over time, TC appears to be a decent and fair person. (NT) -- MOD, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 13:12:54
    • as i see it these dancers were not part of the boyle class the teacher simply did not want them as pupils and so did not transfer them into her class so they were still free agents (NT) -- not a member of that class, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 1:53:10
  • Please note, It has been requested that some posts be removed, purely because focus of discussion was becoming personalised as names were being mentioned. As above post states my view, I won't repeat it and bore you all. Please remember it's the rules we are looking to now and not dancers or teachers. Thanks for being here, (NT) -- MOD, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 15:23:53
    • Well said MOD. The ONLY issue for discussion should be how CLRG choose to enforce their rules. I did not see the posts that were on this thread that you had to delete but I presume the discussion had started to focus on the individuals rather than the situation. It would be great if this issue could be discussed without people being personally criticised. This issue could affect any of us in the future even if we think that all is well with our own T.C's. Other peoples experiences show us that you never know what's round the corner. (NT) -- CLRG's interpretation of the rules should be the focus IMO., Mon, Feb 19 2007, 17:24:43
    • ATTENSION MOD PLEASE GET THIS OFF RIGHT AWAY -- POST REGARDING TAYLOR DANCERS SHOCKING, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 13:03:20
      • I am sorry you find this thread shocking, but as of yet nothing detrimental has been said regarding the dancers from Taylor’s school. In fact all posters here and on other boards have wished them all well, and hope to see them all compete at the worlds. Every one of these dancers can be proud of themselves, 1) for qualifing, and 2) for finding a way to continue to represent themselves, their past (Taylor) and present school at the worlds. As my other posts recently said the issue people are discussing is to do with rule application. It would appear from someone signed as ‘not a member of that class’ that the rule concerned may not be applicable as the dancers were not committed to the school they viewed and therefore there is no problem regarding their competing. (more inside) -- MOD, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 16:34:43
        • I think the fact this debate has been removed from 2 other forums yet still continues here, confirms there is a genuine debate to be had about the rules and how they are applied. There is no ill-feeling towards any dancers or TC - I just believe the ID public at large are curious to see how CLRG will apply the rules, given the recent Amos case.The above threat of legal action seems somewhat excessive from what I've read above. (NT) -- observer, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 19:17:42
      • I'm seriously shocked at your shouting and the blatant diregard of the posting rules i.e no shouting. I find threats/ bullying and intimidation disgusting in children but even more abhoorent in adults(I'm presuming you're an adult). I only read the other threads of this post to see exactly what you were shouting at and threatinng mod about. If you are serious about legal action. Why not be brave enough to put your real name and school you're associated with on the board instead of being a coward. People should be allowed freedom of speech, without threats Do you usually go about threatining others or are you making an exception because you can't have you own way?. (NT) -- imho, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 21:11:54
      • Hummmmm, who are, or what is 'WE' ? (NT) -- only shocked by 'WE', Wed, Feb 21 2007, 15:23:04
        • "we" - Did you pick up on this small word too? Looking at it logically, it can really only be one of 2 parties, either the new school or the dancer(s) in question. Nothing personal should be taken from these posts. People just looking for honesty in the ID world. I'm sure this debate will be raised at Regional Council and/or CLRG levels. Good that less in ID is done behind "closed doors" and that the ID community is now more informed of rules and decisions. Will be interesting to see the outcome, one way or the other. (NT) -- observer, Wed, Feb 21 2007, 22:33:21
      • I dont actually think this post came from either a teacher from any school or anyone directly involved with the dancers. It may have been a well meaning associate thinking they were doing them a favour, sadly their manner and approach was unpleasent and obviously not acceptable. There is room for everyone's views, with the expectation that the views will be expressed politely and without bullying overtones. (NT) -- MOD, Thu, Feb 22 2007, 13:50:32
      • Actually it wasn't taken off the other boards straight away at all. It was left until things started getting personal. It'd help if you could spell ATTENTION then you couldn't be accused of being infantile. Can't say it's a typo...too many keys between S and T How odd that it took you so long to comment on a post that started a few weeks ago! :oS (NT) -- Meself ;o), Thu, Feb 22 2007, 23:01:01
  • Did anyone ever hear the outcome of these dancers who attended 2 schools in Scotland? Was a ban enforced by CLRG or are the dancers competing at the Worlds? Curious to know how CLRG acted, given how CLRG have applied this rule in the past with others. (NT) -- curious, Mon, Mar 19 2007, 18:59:48
    • I haven't seen any of these dancers competing at any feis recently so I'm not sure that it has all been resolved yet. You would think they would be competing as part of thier preparations for the worlds if they were able to. (NT) -- haven't heard any more though., Tue, Mar 20 2007, 0:10:21
    • No Ban They are dancing at the world rules for some and rules for others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- dancer, Tue, Mar 20 2007, 0:10:43
      • I am glad for the children involved. It is a great achievement to qualify and it would have been very upsetting for them if they had not been allowed to dance. However this really does highlight the absurdity of the 6 month ban rule and how it is applied by CLRG. It really is about who you know. Would these dancers have been treated the same way if their new teacher was not a member of the Scottish regional council? Perhaps that's a question Siobhan Amos would like CLRG to answer. And we're supposed to have faith in them and their teachers and adjudicators. Makes you think (NT) -- CLRG suiting themselves and those who work for them., Tue, Mar 20 2007, 0:24:56
        • It's not what you do, but who you know (NT) -- never been any different, Tue, Mar 20 2007, 0:48:56
  • Many thanks for the info.Was just curious as nothing had been heard of since. I must say in one way I'm pleased for the children involved who will be allowed to dance, after qualifying in November. I am however disappointed with CLRG as they are looking more and more foolish as each year progesses - it must be a very bitter pill for those dancers who have been refused a free transfer in the past (not just S. Amos but others I know of). CLRG will NEVER change! Good luck to all UK dancers for the Worlds. (NT) -- curious, Tue, Mar 20 2007, 19:07:15
    • Meant to add in a big THANKS to the mod for allowing this discussion to continue when other Boards removed it. (NT) -- curious, Tue, Mar 20 2007, 19:09:29
      • It was removed because it got VERY personal, no other reason! Every time a personal comment was taken off, another was put on, so it was thought best to delete it altogether! (NT) -- Know the Mod and their reasons, Tue, Mar 20 2007, 21:47:28
        • Didn't realise that - I must have missed all the personal stuff. Just saw snippets then it disappeared. I know all the mods are usually very fair. Thanks. (NT) -- curious, Tue, Mar 20 2007, 22:31:26

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