What do parents and more important dancers think are the hardest faults to overcome in Irish dancing. i.e bad feet bad carriage. not getting clicks. Please lets discuss -- For the love of the dance

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Date Posted: Fri, Aug 03 2007, 2:37:51
Author: thanks
Subject: What do parents and more important dancers think are the hardest faults to overcome in Irish dancing. i.e bad feet bad carriage. not getting clicks. Please lets discuss

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[> I would say bad or shaky carriage mostly,especially on jumps. moving arms and hand gestures are a very close second.. Seen many a very good dancer moving hands, -- observer, Sat, Aug 04 2007, 4:30:29 [1]

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[> [> I've never really seen carriage as a big issue but thats JMO. I mean, if a dancer has fantastic footwork, turnout, trebles, rhythm, lift then to me they are so much more important than if they are a big shaky, or slightly leaning or hand is wobbling, that to me is very minor but maybe thats the difference between 1st & 5th place for instance, but obviously I am no expert! I'd be interesed to hear what ADCRGs think. -- storm, Sat, Aug 04 2007, 22:40:18 [1]

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[> [> [> Carriage is very, very, important, it actually makes up to 25 out of the 100 marks available from an ADCRG and is one of the 4 areas they specifically mark. There's nothing more likely to spoil a good dancer than their body wobbling all over the place, or bending forward every time they leap etc. It makes them look really untidy as a dancer, and draws your attention away from the feet. It has the same effect as flapping arms, or waving hands. The top half of the body should always be vertical and unmoving, as it then makes the dancing look effortless and floaty -- watch Ciara Sexton as an example, Sun, Aug 05 2007, 13:16:02 [1]

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[> [> [> [> Living in Midlands I've had pleasure of watching Ciara on a number of occasions & yes her carriage was amazing, if you couldn't see below her waist you'd thinkg she was standing waiting for a bus! I guess what I am trying to say is that my preference is a dancer with amazing dancing ability with slightly off carriage than perfect carriage but off rhythm or with mediocre dancing. When you master both, then you get to be a world champ over like Ciara but for me its dancing 1st carriage 2nd. My son has fantastic posture & carriage but his footwork - arrghh! -- storm, Sun, Aug 05 2007, 19:16:44 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> My son is the same with good carriage and posture but he is still at the age that his feet turn in. Every comment from adj say turn out feet more. He also runs with feet turned in. Maybe he'll grow out of that, maybe he wont. -- Tallagirl, Fri, Aug 17 2007, 18:52:42 [1]

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[> Carriage is really important because it is the difference between a dancer looking effortless as opposed to strained. Feet turned in is another fault that really stands out for me. But each dancer has their own paticular bug bear! -- .., Sun, Aug 05 2007, 21:44:20 [1]

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[> Meant PaRticular! -- .., Sun, Aug 05 2007, 21:45:54 [1]

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[> Every adjudicator will have something different they look for, but for most people who have danced it will be lack musicality that would really stand out. You find yourself tapping your foot, then stamping it and then your upper body starts to try to get the dancer to listen too. You can spot the ex dancers in an audience when a dancer goes out of time :) -- lol, Wed, Aug 08 2007, 5:02:13 [1]

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[> More inside -- mum, Fri, Aug 10 2007, 14:45:44 [1]

I think the hardest thing to overcome is a loss of confidence, all the things that are listed, are physical, and with correction and practice they can all be rectified. But loss of ones confidence that is very hard to overcome. What do you do?

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[> [> totally agree, have seen very good dancers hit some mental block and something goes out of their dancing, some extra spark. -- strange marks don't help either, Sat, Aug 11 2007, 5:09:54 [1]

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[> For my dd, it has been the mental game. Very early on, some girls learned they could rattle my dd by cutting her down verbally, & to date, still try to do it. Only now instead of tears, it brings on determination. If she could just smile now while dancing instead of looking like a she's going into the boxing ring -- 1 thing at a time, Fri, Aug 10 2007, 20:34:49 [1]

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[> [> my daughter has beautiful feet, but her carriage is awful! she gets height from her lifts and moves around the floor lovely. However, she cant seem to get her carriage right. She leans forward when jumps, to the side when she moves, and her arms flap. teach doesnt seem to work on this, but I think she looks awful. She has no mirrors when practicing so does not see how bad it is. -- any ideas how to put carriage right?, Fri, Aug 17 2007, 17:34:31 [1]

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[> [> [> A few thoughts (inside) -- UK mum, Fri, Aug 17 2007, 19:14:05 [1]

Sounds as if your dancer could increase her core strength, which is oft times lacking in teen dancers as they grow and their bodies change. Pilates, or any core strength work will help. Also, get the camcorder out and show her what she is doing wrong. A picture is worth thousand words! Good luck, she will get there in time. Situps are another good way to increase core strength but make she she attacks the lateral muscles as well. :)

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[> What do you do when your dancer just has a mental block, about a particular fault, and doesn't seem able to overcome ? -- ????????, Fri, Aug 17 2007, 20:15:08 [1]

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[> [> We have a girl in our school who is such a natural talented dancer, but everytime she went to a feis some sort of mental block came into play. We are always surprised at her lack of great results as she is amazing in class. However I think she is beginning to grow out of this and is now starting to get the results she deserves. -- Be patient her time will come., Sat, Aug 18 2007, 1:38:28 [1]

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[> [> practice just the 'problem', slow it down, without pizzazz, get the basic back & slowing work into the full blown move. -- build confidence around it, Mon, Aug 20 2007, 19:26:35 [1]

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[> Growth is a major problem, DD grows constantly, can do really well at one feis and then everything is lost at next, but those who didnt have this problem are now experiencing it and DD has hopefully overcome it and can cope with it but it has taken many years! -- da, Sat, Aug 18 2007, 20:49:43 [1]

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[> [> More Inside -- mum, Sun, Aug 19 2007, 10:54:29 [1]

When we are talking about mental blocks, we,re not talking about a mental block about a physical fault,as I said before that can be overcome by practice and correction by the teacher, and there are lots of things to take into account, like growth spurts and exams at school play a big part because some girls and boys need to concentrate on studying rather than dancing. But when you have lost all your confidence there is very little you can do but be patient and try to rebuild what was lost.It's the hardest thing to overcome, and very sad to watch.

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[> agree the mental game can be really bad dd has girl who is forever saying how great she is compared to everyone else! -- JoJo, Tue, Aug 21 2007, 21:31:50 [1]

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[> Have to agree there is a child in my childs age group who feels they'r better than everyone else and they make it known. -- Not nice, Wed, Aug 22 2007, 2:42:21 [1]

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