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Subject: Re: Can't Stop Now... Author: icky-icky [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 12:22:48 04/02/01 Mon In reply to: Zisel ben 's message, "Can't Stop Now..." on 11:57:20 04/02/01 Mon Whoaaaa, big miss. You are getting way ahead, or maybe behind the point here. I never said BAN abortion, never said I was even pro life, I just hate to see people put such little value and thought into what life is. I mean people really do have more sympathy for abused animals than for six month old/developing fetuses. I am just saying we need to check ourselves from time to time and look at what is really going on. I just want to make sure this banner of woman's choice we all rally around has the the correct intentions. Think about it. Kill in the name of choice, just does not make sense to me. I mean, look at the escorts that volunteer at these clinics. What is their purpose? To make it easier for the women having this invasive procedure? Why should we make this shit easier for them? DO they deserve an easier time? And as far as banning sex, no, of course not. That is just rediculous. But let me remind you, that some laws do exist because people cannot always do the right thing. Look at your example, we feel people who are not yet 21 cannot handle alcohol, shit many people over 21 can't handle alcohol. We do what we can to take it away from them, it does not always work, but it is an attempt. It is an attempt to create or manage a society that is supposed to be civil. DO you beleove we should repeal the ban on drunk driving? Hey, shouldn't people be able to get anywhere they want to go with out putting up the cash for a cab? Frankly, I do not think it is too much to ask of people to think about the issue of abortion and not to go blindly into the pro-choice mentality. The idea that it is a woman's choice is over-simplified to me. It sounds like a scare tactic. Anyone who is against a woman's choice is automatically a sexist. Therefore many do not speak up, many men in fact. Sounds to me like a strategy. And no, we should not have a government that limits us thorugh telling us what to read or not to read. After all we already have a media and a pop culture that does that for the them. Do you beleive in the death penalty? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Can't Stop Now... Author: Bisel Zen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:48:39 04/02/01 Mon Escorts are there to comfort women in an already precarious mental state, and to shield them from pro-life radicals. Women's center escorts are a good idea, and I applaud them. I think maybe you wrote that in haste. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Can't Stop Now... Author: icky-icky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:55:02 04/02/01 Mon No, I did not write that in haste, maybe you read that response in haste. I am just, and I hate using this word, "pondering" the intentions of the escorts. It is a notion I have long considered and still do not yet know how I feel on it. I do, however, lean towards the fact that what they are doing is helping women that I think are not neccessarily deserving of help. At the same time, I am not painting the pro-life protestors, that warrant the use of escorts, as do-gooders and saints. I just want to know what the thinking of these volunteers entails. Why do you feel it necessary to help in this situation. I think this inquiry is justified espescially if you are going to question the thinking of the Army of God: a notion that started this whole debate. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Can't Stop Now... Author: Bisel Zen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:52:46 04/03/01 Tue Your words, ok? ----I do, however, lean towards the fact that what they are doing is helping women that I think are not neccessarily deserving of help. At the same time, I am not painting the pro-life protestors, that warrant the use of escorts, as do-gooders and saints. I just want to know what the thinking of these volunteers entails. Why do you feel it necessary to help in this situation. I think this inquiry is justified espescially if you are going to question the thinking of the Army of God: a notion that started this whole debate.---- I am taking the position that escorts are good to fend off militant pro-lifers, which naturally could put the patient at risk. Some line of defense against these groups. You're against that, huh? So, these women and doctors deserve what they get from these radicals, right? That's a pretty interesting view. Also, why do you write it as "pondering," and then say that you hate using that word? Is it because you really aren't "reflecting or considering with thoroughness and care?" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Can't Stop Now... Author: icky-icky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:37:04 04/03/01 Tue I used the word ponder because I think it best fit my conteplation of the topic at hand. And, I must say, that it is incredibly unrealistic and foolish of you to say that I have not been considering this particular topic enough. It sounds to me like you are getting personally upset. If that is the case,then don't. Stop arguing anything and relax for a second. I will repeat this again, please try to see it this time. All I said was that I question why the escorts do what they do. I did not say they should not. I did however say that the women using this clinic probably do not deserve the help, but that was it. I did not make ANY accusations toward those that volunteer. Also I never said that the militant pro-lifers should do what they do, in fact I think I criticized them at some points. And if my slights at them have not been enough I will say it again. They do not understand the word of god, and to me, it seems extremely arrogant of them thinking they know what god wants. Does this appease you, will you stop making attacks at my thought process and give an answer to what I am asking, not just a retort that criticises the pro-lifers. All I want is for someone to answer this if they can. Can anyone give me the insight to what the volunteers are trying to accomplish? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Can't Stop Now... Author: Bisel Zen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:03:24 04/03/01 Tue "I am taking the position that escorts are good to fend off militant pro-lifers, which naturally could put the patient at risk. Some line of defense against these groups." Instead of saying that killing docotors and patients is a bad thing, the escorts go there to offer support and protection against these groups. An escort. They escort the patients and doctors from their cars to the inside of the clinic. You said: ----I did however say that the women using this clinic probably do not deserve the help, but that was it.---- The help is in protecting the patients and doctors. You say they don't deserve the help. So basically, you're giving the pro-life radicals free reign over the patients and doctors. If you are against the pro-life radicals, then you should be for the escorts. Plain and simple. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Can't Stop Now... Author: Anthony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:58:57 04/02/01 Mon I disagree with unconsciously following ANY doctrine as well. So I agree that there can be both the "blindly pro-life" and the "blindly pro-choice". I think that abortion should NOT be used as a means of contraception. Oops, company meeting, gotta get back to work...heh, slave to the grind and all that... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]