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Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Anthony [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:13:20 05/31/01 Thu In reply to: Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise 's message, "Shave?!?!?!?!?!" on 09:33:48 05/31/01 Thu Okay...does this trend disturb you very much? You wonder if this phenomenon is a result of personal preference or a feminist backlash. I think it could be both. I know women that think of hairiness as being synonymous with dirtiness. Why? They don't really know. Is that a result of advertising, with the men buff AND hairless? I am not so sure of the social significance of hairiness in men these days. Never really gave it much thought. Interesting, if not a bit bizarre. I know a friend that shaves himself pretty much hairless...everywhere but his head and arms and most of his legs. But then again, he is also aspiring to become a pro wrestler. Another friend of mine decided to start shaving his balls since he happened to hear somewhere that girls love a smooth sack. It turns out that his girlfriend at the time (as well as the other girl he was seeing, that doggy dog!) happened to really like it. Now, he didn't really Bic his balls, but he HAD shaved pretty close to the boys down there with a beard shaver (I know this is getting to be a bit too much info for some, but I am making a point...sorry to anyone offended or scared by the current discussion...I guess it's not THAT gross to use one's shaver on the north and south...unless one's buds are also using said shaver...*shudder*). But he told me that he felt a bit, well, his word was "salty" for the feeling of shaving the guys. Part of his meaning was that it was a bit "gay," meaning in the speak of this friend as something negative, but I tried to look past his prejudice. But he as well as other people I know have equated shaving large amounts of body hair off as being something only women and homosexual men do. These guys, like the friend above, are not adverse to a bit of trimming here and there, but the wholesale shedding of the manly body fur is frowned upon. Unless you are my pro-wrestler wannabe friend. But then again, there are those that question HIS sexual orientation (of course, the wrestler friend is also said to shave his face with aloe, to take a long time getting ready to go out, to be possessed of an exaggerated need to prove that he can get a lot of women, and to be very homophobic, but that's another argument...and besides, say some, he isn't very neat). All this raises an offshoot of Dr. Jazzercise's topic: why do some men feel that shaving is something for women and gay men? Is this some variation on the Samson myth? Shave off the hair and loose one's manly strength? One's manHOOD? And by the way, isn't the male/female relationship always shifting? I think that's one of the most shifting paradigms out there, and always has been! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:04:34 05/31/01 Thu Of course I am disturbed. Are we heading down the road of forcible shaving? I am not a 12 year old boy why should I look like one. This pelt on my chest is my birth rite as a male. It is testosterone surging through my follicles. It screams of a forgotten time when I was a savage hunter in the wilderness. Should I be forced to let go because of modern preferences, the illusion of cleanliness, and intellectualized emasculation. And please don't argue that women are expected to be shaving their legs and other areas. I am sorry, but hair on woman is just horrifying. Yes it is a double standard, but that's life. Double Standards abound. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Anthony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:29:36 05/31/01 Thu No argument about hairy women from me. No need to worry about that. I also don't think that we need to go shaving our bodies. Trimming a bit is another thing. I think that taming the wild areas of one's body hair is a good thing. Too much hair can get in the way of a number of activities. But shaving the whole body just to please the ladies? I don't think so. I think that we need to figure out why women think they want hairless men. What has driven them to this conclusion? Now, do I think that this shaving trend has anything to do with some women's lib conspiracy? About as much as I believe in the Elders of Zion controlling the world's economy: I don't. Both are paranoid conspiracy theories. So I would say that we are just dealing with a backlash stemming from a glut of advertising schemes that "brainwash" consumers, convincing us to conform to their concepts of beauty, handsomeness, slimness, HAIRLESSNESS, etc. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:03:23 05/31/01 Thu what? are you sure you don't like hairy women? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:11:21 05/31/01 Thu 'cause secretly, deep down, i do. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: The Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:18:13 05/31/01 Thu This rapscallion asking such asburd questions about liking hairy women is not me, but a rather unclever imposter. I in no way favor a hirsute female and I want that on the record. I came here to discuss whether this phenomenon pointed to a peculiar shift in the relationship between men and women. I believe that the offended Zisel Ben may be posting as my august self out of resentment and bitterness. He/she took issue with some of my statements, which is fine, but is now posing as your Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise as some sort of vengeance. Perhaps this Zisel Ben is one of the valkrie-esque modern females I am speaking of, waiting with raised Gilette in hand to slice the spark of manhood from every male body. I bet she would do it without shaving cream. I am the only Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: The Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:25:14 05/31/01 Thu and, in the deepest recesses of my imagination, i want to share my feelings of deep love and admiration for the hairy women of the world. i would appreciate it if we all went to www.hairywomen.com and delighted in the natural furiness of it all. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:30:41 05/31/01 Thu I think your mind is horrifying. You don't have any more intelligence than a twelve year old boy. You deserve to be held down and forcibly shaved all over. You probably look so atrocious that you need to hide behind your big hairy pelt on your chest and call it your "Male Birth Right" to feel masculine and attractive. There are plently of men from other cultures that have hardly any hair at all on their bodies, naturaly, simply because they come from a different ethnic background. Are they "less masculine" or something? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Anthony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:42:00 05/31/01 Thu Zisel, I think that we were really discussing an aspect of American culture and not concerning the amount of hair the different ethnicities can grow. I concede that this thread, started by someone calling themselves "Dr. Stanton R. Jazzercise", may indeed be the product of someone who is not entirely serious about the thread. I mean that the good doctor is probably not really as upset as he portrays himself to be. The hyperbole and sarcasm that I imagine him delivering his words with may be only in my mind, though...who knows? But I don't think you need to get that upset at him, in any case. If he is having some fun, then don't take it too seriously. Don't give him the satisfaction. If he is really serious, then you should not attack him. If he really is disturbed by the shaving trend he sees but is also having a bit of fun, then who are we to fault him? Really. I want to keep it peaceful in here. Okay? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:03:17 05/31/01 Thu No, you know what, Anthony, you're right: I should try and bend over to the ground-scraping level of the "Good Doctor's" suggestions so I can understand them better. I should struggle to unearth the deep and profound richness of his insight and keep my eyes and ears peeled for more of his sparkling wit. What the hell was I thinking? Passing up free wisdom? Shame on me! p.s. I'm not really upset but I am sure having alot of fun insulting the Good Doctor. feel free to delete this post if you feel that anything I have said is unnecessary, Oh, excuse me, I have to go shave my legs now, my grunting hairy caveman boyfriend is coming over soon to grab me by the hair and have his way with me. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:45:08 05/31/01 Thu no no peace for me no peace until i kill!!!!! muuuuuuuuuuuhahhahahahhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Western Wally and Eastern Ernie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:08:00 05/31/01 Thu Ernie: Body shaving is such a Western cultural phenomenon. Westerners have it in their minds that women have to look like children with their shaved legs? Wally: How do you know Eastern women don't shave? Their men make them wear robes all the time! Ernie: I'm offended. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Poopy Poopy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:30:51 06/01/01 Fri Shave your ass sometime Zisel Ben. Then you can walk around on you hands, and no one will be able to tell the differnece. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shave?!?!?!?!?! Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:05:05 06/01/01 Fri Oh yeah? I can walk around on me hands? And no one will be able to tell the differnece? (Hey, what IS "differnece", anyway?...) Thanks for the suggestion. :) ***Hey, would you mind not capitolizing "ben" next time you use my name in print, no biggie, just a reminder. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]